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Seems the haters are everywhere. People that have never visited the US nor have ever known anything about her except from American television sure have some opinions. One of these days the US will cut itself off from the world and let it fall apart. It has already started

We have been devaluing the dollar, we don’t care because once pulled from the world market it’s value outside the US will be meaningless.

We are almost to the point, another 20 years, where we will supply our own oil.

We grow enough food to feed every man woman and child in this country.

We have started closing military bases overseas.

The writing is on the wall, question is if we did pull from the world stage how much of the world would be civilized 10 years after?

It's all about REPUTATION. US has made quite the non - so - good type of reputation all around the world. that is the problem. The country it self is not a bad place, but politics and it's policies that is the problem.


Simple truth is no country can survive without other countries in a world that is globalize. Food is not everything, World is build on a Import / export economy.

US or any other country MUST focus not on going solo, but bringing the world together as one. Only way mankind will survive will be if the world face upcoming challenges as one, if they try to face that solo, that will be the end of Human race as we know it.

US is a big part of world's everything. That is true. but they cannot survive without other countries. No one can.

Yeah we would have to deal without the web and the latest iPhone sure, but we could survive. Our reputation is born mostly out of jealousy. Jealousy of our freedoms, our military even our food stores. That’s why the US doesn’t fight to bring the world together, there isn’t a point.

American exceptionalism  ;D

No. Just the truth.

Don't worry, America visited us ;)

It is nice that you think so much of your country, but when your country gets invaded by US and they slaughter women and children without any punishment to those who did it, you kinda lose faith in such propaganda.

US government is responsible for a lot of death across the World my friend. You can wave your money around all you want, it can't buy you any respect.

Yes, i will ask this question to the burned Vietnamese trees and town and to the destroyed towns in Iraq in the infinite search for the "fake mass destruction weapons" and so on.
Most of the Americans politicians are sick and having hidden agendas that's why many people around the world hate them but this doesn't mean that they hate the American citizens.

The goneva convention considers willing human shields as enemy combatives, reguardless of sex or age. If someone willingly hides and supports an enemy they can then be treated as an enemy combatant.

And yes we do have wars, but if not for us everyone I’m eiurope would be speaking German.

We are a warrior country, our whole 200 years of history have been about war. Look at the first 100 years. We fought the British, the French the American Indians and after that we fought each other in a terrible and costly civial war.

Little tip. WMDs were found in Iraq. I was part of the crew that found some. I recieve a pension because I was exposed, accidentally, (leaky Iraqi scud missle) to a nerve agent. The tips of my fingers and toes are numb, no feeling and eventually it will Spread and probably kill me. Does my medical paperwork state that? Nope. It says I was exposed to a chemical that is used to clean oil pipes, hexavaliant chromium. I was told in no uncertain terms that if I spoke out or went to the media then I would loose my pension.

We were given amunizatiosn for anthrax and small pox before we went.

Now 40 miles west of the Syrian border in a bunker 20 feet underground is where we found the chemical weapons. The packaging said “property of US government”. Regan gave the weapons to saddam and he used them against Iran. No better way to field test a weapon then to give it to someone who will use it.

Point is the war was not about removing a dictator and finding WMDs to show the world, it was about finding our weapons we gave to him and making sure no one found out.

The US was worried about saddam and afraid of his fall. If that happened then whoever took over might use and/or report that they had US provided chemical weapons. We did a preintive strike removing saddam and making the weapons vanish.

On a side note. Saddam was a sick and twisted individual that the people are better off without even with all the chaos we caused.

now it is very difficult to close from the outside world.everyone interacts with each other.although there is of course exceptions-this South Korea.my answer is the US will not leave the world arena.$-the most popular currency in the world.but of course the cryptocurrency is waiting)) civilized will in my opinion China

People hate different things continuously, not just the US. And it's not all people. And many people here in the US hate others, and other countries all the time, knowing very little about them.

Oh.. please do that. The world will be a much more peaceful and calmer place to live, without the evil influence of the United States. The Americans have invaded countless third world nations and have sponsored thousands of terrorist organizations including the Taliban in Afghanistan, ISIS in Syria and the AUC in Colombia. Please go away and leave the world in peace.

Well, if it was true, then the US must pack their things out from other country.. US cant hide behind the word "Peacekeeper" and let those countries do their own business..
ooh and about that oil things, US can supply their own oil needs... i mean, really ???? well then just ask IRAQ and Lybia tho..

lol what? if anything the world is getting more and more connected. i see no possible future the US shuts itself off from the rest of the world!

You say that now. But how many American troops are stationed in your country?

There is a growing movement to do just that. Pull all troops back here, close all overseas bases. Leave nato and the UN and only deal with other countries if it envolves trade our our defense. People are getting sick of war. In 200 years 1.1 million soldiers have died in US led wars, 400,000 of those during our civial war alone.

I say we pull out, the day after the Middle East and parts of Asia will be a war zone. Once the battles are over then make trade deals with the winner. People protest outside US bases and embassies, but we are the ones keeping the world together. Yes it is through violence and the threat of violence, but the outcome is the same.

Once we no longer rely on other countries oil, the whole of the Middle East won’t have anything worth the US protecting.

Usa can't leave Nato because otherwise Europe can't be protected. Usa is a vital element of European security system.

Exactly. People seem to forget that. They protest against America yet when they need a food shipment, or relief after a disaster (Haiti, Japan) then suddenly they want us around. Oil is only true thing we need from Europe. When we get our own oil production to where it meets our needs we wouldn’t need anything.

it can be said vice-versa, us seems to hate many countries without knowing anything about them ( for reference check no. of weapons of mass destruction found in iraq). the interventionist policy of poking the nose in every conflicts seems to have a backfiring effect as we can see. also involving itself in every major war possible and not founding any concrete results ( see rise of taliban & isis) has to do alot for the reputation. you can bully people only to an extent not further then that, we are witnessing some of those things right now. 

Isis is about done. The taliban has been done. We had a hand in the taliban, but not really isis. Isis is a product of Saudi Arabia.

None. I am residing in India and there are no American troops stationed in my country. We don't want any foreign troops here and we know how to take care of our own affairs. The presence of American troops trigger all sorts of social perversities, such as prostitution and drug abuse. Just ask anyone from the Philippines or Japan about these bases.

LOL last year the US sold 15 billion worth of military equipiment to India, you used to be supplied by russia. You say you dont like the US but you sure love our military equipiment 

prostitution and drug abuse? Your country sponsors terrorism around the world.

I am talking about willing human shields, I am talking about a first major publication that Wikileaks reviled. The footage called "Collateral murder".
You really don't have nothing to debate when you see wounded unarmed children being gunned down from a helicopter.
Really a shit thing to do. Not to mention that US involvement in these things are often (maybe even always, I don't know) unwelcome by the government of those countries (which they technically invade, against the rules of the UN, as Russia and China veto these things).

US is not a warrior country. 200 hundred years can barely be considered history in my opinion. That is nothing compared to thousands of years most countries exist. Those people you fought in the first 100 years either had to come to you literally all the way across the ocean or didn't have more advanced weapons than sticks. There was never a war with American Indians, they were never equipped for war, that was a genocide, just like holocaust was. Poor people never stood a chance and to this day you still call them Indians. They aren't American Indians, they are Americans, you are immigrants and very brutal ones at that.
You still don't give a shit about them.

During those 200 years the rest of the World went through things that your country never saw and never will. Times were only more violent the further you go back and Europe was always the epicenter of it.

PS: US helped only in the last World war. And Europe would not be speaking German now without you. It would take more time to defeat them, of course, and everyone is very grateful for the lives that were saved with US involvement (unfortunately a lot of them were lost in Hiroshima and Nagasaki as well).
Of course battle of Stalingrad was a pretty big deal in defeating the Germans, but there is a lot that US did as well. It was a joint effort, so I wouldn't get that into a debate on who has done more. It is very shitty to get into that and very arrogant to assume that nothing could be done without US. Every super power did a lot there and none of them did majority of the work alone.

Please WW2 Europe was cowering, half of Europe was under German control, millions were getting slaughtered. Russia signed a treaty with Germany, which Germany didnt honor. As far as Japan, well those bombs saved 10X more lives than it costs, on all sides. We have made our peace with Japan over that.

what was done in that video did not violate the rules of war. You forget that they were enemy combatants. If they would have surrendered then they would have been taken into custody and treated for their wounds. They didnt. If an enemy throws down their weapon and runs they are fair game, if they throw down their weapons and surrender they are considered enemy prisoners of war and are treated as such. Besides they dont follow the rules of war why should we?

Also there are super powers, Russia Europe etc and there is the US the most powerful military in the history of the world. Leads the world in culture and freedoms. Leads the world in economy (CA was just listed as the 5th worlds best economy, and CA is just a state not a nation) We went into another country, Pakistan, and assasinated one of their citizens, just miles from one of their military bases and nothing could and will not be done with it.

On September 11 2001 the world shoved a big finger in our face, then get mad when we bit it off. It isnt going to stop until the world is in a smoking pile of ruins, Im ok with that.

You make very interesting statements about human shields and the war. Could you cite excerpts from the convention that allow us to consider civilians participating in a living shield as combatants or war criminals?

The rule is 97 that discusses unwilling human shields only. Each country defines what is a combative and what is a protected citizen. Basically the US and other countries decided that any civilian who takes willing part in a military action is no longer a civilian but an enemy combatant. If they are unwilling then they are protected and the people responsible for putting them there can be charged with war crimes. During the US war with Vietnam,  north Vietnam hid ordinance in plain site around hospitals, schools and major population centers. None were bombed but it started the debate about human shields, none in this example were willing, so they did not bomb the areas.

Think of it this way. A person forced to hide a military leader or sleep near a military target is innocent. They have done nothing wrong and no one expects them to refuse and die. Although a person who willingly does that is no different than a military soldier. They are using their life to thwart the enemy and protect military equipiment, just like a regular soldier does. That makes them no different than any uniformed soldier when it comes to rules of combat. An example would be someone standing in front of a sniper, willingly that is, how is that person any different than the sniper behind them? They both have the same goals.

Here is the US rules in willing human shields. Pay attention to this area.

he US Military Commissions Act (2009) amends Chapter 47A of Title 10 of the United States Code as follows:
Ҥ 950p. Definitions; construction of certain offenses; common circumstances
“(a) DEFINITIONS.—In this subchapter:
“ …
“(2) The term “protected person” means any person entitled to protection under one or more of the [1949] Geneva Conventions, including civilians not taking an active part in hostilities …

Willingly protecting military personnel or equipiment is taking part in hostilities.

Link to US article.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_cou_us_rule1

Link to GC rule 97
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule97

While the practice of considering willing human shields is not in the GC charter, all rules of war set down by a country have to be approved by the GC.

What a load of BS? Total US defense equipment sales amounted to $38 billion in 2017. Out of this the vast majority was directed towards middle-east and exports to India amounted to less than $1 billion ($803,686,000 to be precise). Details can be found here:

https://www.ciponline.org/images/uploads/actions/MAR_6--US_Arms_Sales_2017_Report_manual_footnotes_%281%29_1.pdf

And who told you that India sponsors terrorism around the world? Are you stoned?

Im sorry. I was looking at the wrong table  it said India has bough 15B over the past ten years. Russia is still you biggest supplyer, for now. What we sell anyways is old outdated equipment that we have counter measures for. Only Isreal gets the new stuff. Except for the F22-stealth-raptor, the B2-stealth-bomber and the new stealth blackhawk helocopters. Those we keep for ourselves.

Yes I am stoned, but it doesnt matter. Ask anyone about India and 3 things pop up. Call centers, slum dog millionair and terrorism. Your country is almost like a training ground. You have terrorists on every corner because your government doesnt have the stones to stop it. We have them here, but the minority are religous related. Most of our are crazy people with guns or truck bombs. By showing we arent afraid of war we show other countries that if they sponsor terrorism then they will get the fire and brimstone treatment. Maybe if more countries like India did the same, or allied with the US, it wouldnt be bad for them.

Right now the official US military travel advisory has India as yellow due to crime, terrorism and a possible outbreak of yellow fever. Not the greatest vacation spot.

Also according to your own newspaper in 2016 your government signed a deal with the US where the US can use your shipyards and airbases for refueling, repairs and future combat missions (if needed) right now 60% of out navy is parked in the Indian ocean. Maybe there is hope for you after all. Now you can enjoy the protection of the US, well partial protection. Lets face it, the US isnt afraid to go to war with, against or for another country. In the 90's we protected Kuwait against Iraq, lost a few hundred troops. No big deal on that, we rarely take deaths into account.

Let me break this down.

The American people are a proud people. Benn around 200 years and have risen to the top of the food chain. We accept all faiths, races and creeds. We are a nation of immigrants and enjoy that fact. You have Christan churches next to mosques next to synagogues. You need to understand that we are a warrior race. Thats all we have done for the past 200 years is fight. I know it might sound wrong, but thats all we know. When diplomacy fails we resort to violence because that has always worked in the past. What us angry is that although we bomb other countries, we also do some good. We supply food and medicine to needy countries. We have giant hospital ships ready to go anywhere in the world. We do these things and no government is ever handed a bill and if the situation is bad enough we will put aside what we feel and help. If an enemy got hit with a natural disaster the US government would help any way they can while the US people raised money for food and supplies to be sent. The American public raised millions for Hati, average Americans giving what they can for complete stranger because in the few times we needed it other countries have had our back.

No one thinks or remembers that. They see us as spoiled killers who only love war and not our fellow man. in the mid 1800's we lost 500,000 Americans in a civil war that was over the human rights of others in our country. The average American has the same problems as other, trying to survive. I know American TV and movies portray us as all wealthy, middle class with no morals or scruples. Part of that is true, part is not. In fact we are a god fearing country. Our currency says "in god we trust" every piece of currency.

We troops are a different breed. We are trained and brainwashed to only do 2 things: kill and follow orders. I hate Trump with a passion. H-A-T-E him, but when before I retired from the military he would have only had to point and yell "get them" and I would have went even if it meant my death. So maybe im cynical, maybe dialogs need to be opened, not by the government, but by the people of each country. I wish no country ill will, nor any person without cause. I fought in Iraq, I dont hate Iraq or their people. The opposite is true I wish I could take my family there. I dont know anymore, I jsut wish people from other countries would just once remember the good that our country does and no always bring up the bad. Know what I mean?

The OP is clearly living in the parallel fictional universe which has been created by Hollywood. I don't really see any sense in the people trying to debate with him with arguments pertinent to the real world.

I don't hate the US. I dream of visiting the country before I die but don't have enough money  ;D. Besides skyscrapers and topless bars and other important places, I'd like to go to those places where there are hardly any people on the street; looks quiet and peaceful (at least that's what I see in so many Hollywood movies).

Partly true and it depends on which part of India you visit.

Dude, your just another love america and ignorant of anything negative that my country does type people. People like you are one of the reasons many people hold the negative opinion of america.

Don't get me wrong there are many great things in america and many opportunities you can't get anywhere else, but don't be blind to what the bad things as well.

Every country has it's positives and negatives it's just america makes itself known everywhere, so a lot of people have a lot of opinions about us.

I have nothing against US at all,and i prefer you over  Russia or China,but your military industry will never allow that,for you to isolate yourself.They are making too much money for that to stop.

Think you need to proof your alligations. What about the support the US offered to those countries?

We cut foreign aid this year by almost half. That fat boy in North Korea isn’t getting any which he is ytying by playing nice. His father did the same thing. Stop the nuclear program for aid and once that runs out start back up again and repeat. Problem is we won’t give him any money anymore.

I love America with all my heart, and I really do believe it to be the greatest country on Earth. That being said; I don't blame other countries for hating us. We worship money and waste tons while people starve and/or watch people get bombed by our massive military budget.

Yes but people forget that the wold heath organization is mostly funded by the US same for Doctors Without Borders. We fund the entire CDC which helps world wide. We are the biggest contributor to the UN. We deploy troops to any country that needs help. The world seems to forget good things like that

Wherever the USA is messing around, that country ends up in deep shit. Thriving countries like Iraq, Lybia, Ukraine have been turned into failed states after US bombs or interference. Syria has been destroyed by their proxy army in disguise. European countires are forced into demolishing their good relations with Russia.
All of this does obviously not make the USA be more loved around the world.

Lol iraq was never thriving. Their country hadsanctions on them for decades before the war and their economy was i the toilet, I have been to Iraq I seen that first hand. Before the wa the exchange rate was 1 million Iraqi Denar to 1 US dollar, not exactly a booming economy. Russia invaded Ukraine, not the US. Also in Syria Russia is bombing civilian targets, the US is bmbing military only. Your Russian aren’t you?

P.S no one likes Russia. That’s includes China. No one has spoken a word in outrage over the US impos8ng sanctions on Russia, in fact they have helped by freezing government owned bank accounts in thier country.

And not that the US has restarted the second fleet, Russia has more worries.

They hate us because they ain’t us, lol. Only virtue-signaling SJWs, Islamists, etc. hate the US as far as I can see.

And stupid statements like that are the reason they hate us

"hating without knowing anything" about anyone in particular or certain group of persons or countries is a challenge that has affected almost everyone at one point or the other. one thing i hold onto is that whatever you sow that is what you will reap. Imagine the great U.S President said that A large African country like Nigeria is a just hut! and people there, are living in huts. imagine a celebrity said Nigerians look like Monkeys! if we begin to dwell on the negative comments from others who doesn't know a thing about us, the heat that will be generated from such hatred will actually be enough to "roast a plantain or boil an egg" So forget about people's negativity and hatred and channel your energy for the right course.

And who has enforced those sanctions? the USA. That's part of the messing around I've mentioned. Before US sanctions Iraq was thriving.


You may have missed the recent geopolitical moves. China and Russia now are military and economic allies. And regarding Ukraine you should listen to the leaked recordings of the phone calls of the US Ambassador deciding who'd be the new President after the 2014 coup.
And Victoria Nuland declared in public the US had spent 5 Billion USD for "giving to Ukraine the future it deserves" (her words). Guess where those 5 billions went...

Nice rebuttal. Care to elaborate? Since the OP didn’t specify the US Govt., I assume that we’re talking about Americans in general. What reasons can you give to explain why foreigners would dislike us? I would like it if we were more isolationist, stop intruding in other regions business and in the same sense, cut all the aid to those regions. We don’t need to be world police anymore. Although, that would pertain more towards the US Govt.

We set those sanctions on them because Husain use chemical weapons on Iran and his own people. Stellar guy huh?

Who cares if someone knocks put in off or who he is in bed with. Russia and China can not hurt us without destroying themselves. The revamped 2nd fleet will be off the coast of Russia in 6 months.

As far as Ukraine the US is there right now helping those people take back their country from Russia, Putin can do nothing about it

Ok throwing in that “virtue-signaling” was uncalled for. You trumpies don’t understand that we are the biggest recruiters for isis. They love seeing muslims in this country attacked for no reason. Where in this country religion is a hobby, it is a way of life for them.

I believe that the Vietnam War and the USA desire to kill and overthrow Castro is one of the things that the US have done that got people skeptical about them and with the Iraqi invasions and murder of Colonel Ghaddafi as well but aside that they have done a lot of good in the world and everyone makes mistakes but when you repeat them thenit seems something is really wrong.

I wouldn't say they did a lot of good, I would just say that they are making excuses to make few of their military equipment manufacturers rich.
They take the money from their citizens, create some weapons, create some trouble and some stupid unverifiable reason to invade and they don't think about it twice.

It ain't a mistake, they would figure it out by now, it never made any sense.
They knew what they were doing, they just have no reason to care.
Money will always mean more to them then other people's lives. That is a problem with US politicians.

The United States is very kind to its citizens, and you can see the President of the United States personally greet three Korean American hostages released by north Korea back to the United States at 3:00 a.m. local time!

This is the United States, as long as you are an American citizen, the United States will defend your rights!

I agree. A lot of people doesn't appreciate the jobs created by the United States. I am one of those who took advantages of jobs offered by small business. US industry helped a lot of people improve their lives. Even if its small or big companies, they are generating jobs for others. There is no need to hate US. Some people just want to blame the other guy and doesn't want to face the reality in front of them.

It is the same United States which is having the largest prison population in the world (at more than 2 million). And it is the same US which will send you behind bars for 12 years, if you are caught with a little weed. Reality is far different from these televised episodes.

Oh really? Lol :D


You may have to revise your opinion of the effectiveness of US fleet in a real war against real armies with real weaposns, versus bullying little defendless poor countries, as it has been US habit for a while now.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-s-navy-s-big-mistake-building-tons-of-supercarriers-79cb42029b8

The Americans are quite (in)famous for wasting the money in the defense budget on useless projects. Remember the F-35 project? It cost some $1.5 trillion and in the end the Americans will be getting defective aircraft far inferior to the Russian counterpart.

Sure, they will protect you as long as you pay them their protection money in form of taxes.
They are great to their citizens when they are paying them taxes, but they will just about kill anyone in other countries.
Since people from other countries don't pay them taxes, they don't care about their lives.

It is weird how governments have so much in common with organized crime.
So much so, that I would claim that there is no real difference. Government is just really big organized mafia.

So, you think the US is keeping the world in check, right? If it weren't for the US, everything would be bad in the rest of the world. That sounds like ridiculous propaganda. Who told you the US would cut itself off from the world? The US depends on so many imports that that sounds like a ridiculous idea. I'm sure the world would do just fine without the US sticks it's nose everywhere. I have been to the US. I have spend years there. I don't like it very much and this type of propaganda is the very reason why.

They have their army forces almost all over the world and provoke conflicts in the middle east. That's why most people don't like this country.