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Title: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: omar on November 26, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
Each bitcoin has 8 digits after the decimal point.

1.00000000

This was a great idea when bitcoin started and its value relative to fiat currencies was very low. But now with the price of bitcoin reaching close to $1000 USD, it's a good time to introduce a new convention: the Bitcoin Dollar (BTC$), where there is just two digits after the decimal point.

Thus, 1 bitcoin = 1,000,000 Bitcoin Dollars
that is: 1 Bitcoin Dollar = 100 Satoshi

Why? Because people are not used to currencies having 8 digits of resolution. As bitcoin goes mainstream changing it to 2 digits makes it easier for people to deal with it and helps them understand that when they buy 1 bitcoin they are really buying 1 million bitcoin dollars. So rather than looking expensive compared to country backed dollars, it looks inexpensive.

I know we could also call it a micro bitcoin, but using that terminology just makes it sound like you are getting something really small. Also it doesn't give you any idea about how many digits are after the decimal. People already know that a dollar has two digits after the decimal.

Bitcoin clients and sites should allow users the option to view amounts in Bitcoin Dollars. Sites can gauge what percent of users enable this option and if a majority start using it then it could be made the default and viewing amounts in bitcoins being optional.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: markjamrobin on November 26, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
Each bitcoin has 8 digits after the decimal point.

1.00000000

This was a great idea when bitcoin started and its value relative to fiat currencies was very low. But now with the price of bitcoin reaching close to $1000 USD, it's a good time to introduce a new convention: the Bitcoin Dollar (BTC$), where there is just two digits after the decimal point.

Thus, 1 bitcoin = 1,000,000 Bitcoin Dollars
that is: 1 Bitcoin Dollar = 100 sathoshis

Why? Because people are not used to currencies having 8 digits of resolution. As bitcoin goes mainstream changing it to 2 digits makes it easier for people to deal with it and helps them understand that when they buy 1 bitcoin they are really buying 1 million bitcoin dollars. So rather than looking expensive compared to country backed dollars, it looks inexpensive.

I know we could also call it a micro bitcoin, but using that terminology just makes it sound like you are getting something really small. Also it doesn't give you any idea about how many digits are after the decimal. People already know that a dollar has two digits after the decimal.

Bitcoin clients and sites should allow users the option to view amounts in Bitcoin Dollars. Sites can gauge what percent of users enable this option and if a majority start using it then it could be made the default viewing amounts in bitcoins being optional.


This is wrong for one main reason; if we add additional decimal points, your "Bitcoin Dollar" is now ambiguous. Secondly, numbers would be too big, who wants to buy a beer for 3,500 units? If the point of this is psychological, the units go against that.

And you spelled satoshis wrong.

And that unit is already a UBTC.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: g3raint on November 26, 2013, 10:21:45 PM
+1  simplicity will improve acceptance.

G


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: omar on November 26, 2013, 10:42:12 PM
This is wrong for one main reason; if we add additional decimal points, your "Bitcoin Dollar" is now ambiguous. Secondly, numbers would be too big, who wants to buy a beer for 3,500 units? If the point of this is psychological, the units go against that.

And you spelled satoshis wrong.

And that unit is already a UBTC.

Thanks, fixed the typo.

Is there really a plan to add more decimals?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the design of bitcoin allows that.

In some countries paying 3,500 units for a beer is normal :-)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: markjamrobin on November 26, 2013, 11:02:15 PM
This is wrong for one main reason; if we add additional decimal points, your "Bitcoin Dollar" is now ambiguous. Secondly, numbers would be too big, who wants to buy a beer for 3,500 units? If the point of this is psychological, the units go against that.

And you spelled satoshis wrong.

And that unit is already a UBTC.

Thanks, fixed the typo.

Is there really a plan to add more decimals?  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the design of bitcoin allows that.

In some countries paying 3,500 units for a beer is normal :-)

The protocol would allow for a fork to add decimal places, if necessary. Whether that happens depends on BTC value. If a satoshi becomes too large of a unit, then it will be.

And why create a new unit, instead of using the already well established UBTC?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: solomon on November 27, 2013, 02:56:52 AM
bitcoin dollar is a mouthful, and you are forced to say the whole thing to avoid confusion with either bitcoin or dollars.

How do you say uBTC? 'u-bit'?

We should keep it simple. bits.

1BTC = 1 000 000 bits

It's easy, it has historically been a unit of currency, and it's already in the name!

'Do you accept bitcoin?'

'Yes, it's 250 bits'


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: caminilegroup on November 27, 2013, 03:07:44 AM

How do you say uBTC? 'u-bit'?

μBTC = micro BTC


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: Littleshop on November 27, 2013, 04:36:37 AM
While I am from the USA, Bitcoin is for the world.  We would have to have 'the Bitcoin Euro' etc.....

I think mBTC is the answer for now.  Someday exchange rates will stabilize and it will be just like translating between Euros and Dollars. 


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: bitcoinpsftp on November 27, 2013, 06:39:05 AM
Each bitcoin has 8 digits after the decimal point.

1.00000000

This was a great idea when bitcoin started and its value relative to fiat currencies was very low. But now with the price of bitcoin reaching close to $1000 USD, it's a good time to introduce a new convention: the Bitcoin Dollar (BTC$), where there is just two digits after the decimal point.

Thus, 1 bitcoin = 1,000,000 Bitcoin Dollars
that is: 1 Bitcoin Dollar = 100 sathoshis

Why? Because people are not used to currencies having 8 digits of resolution. As bitcoin goes mainstream changing it to 2 digits makes it easier for people to deal with it and helps them understand that when they buy 1 bitcoin they are really buying 1 million bitcoin dollars. So rather than looking expensive compared to country backed dollars, it looks inexpensive.

I know we could also call it a micro bitcoin, but using that terminology just makes it sound like you are getting something really small. Also it doesn't give you any idea about how many digits are after the decimal. People already know that a dollar has two digits after the decimal.

Bitcoin clients and sites should allow users the option to view amounts in Bitcoin Dollars. Sites can gauge what percent of users enable this option and if a majority start using it then it could be made the default viewing amounts in bitcoins being optional.


This is wrong for one main reason; if we add additional decimal points, your "Bitcoin Dollar" is now ambiguous. Secondly, numbers would be too big, who wants to buy a beer for 3,500 units? If the point of this is psychological, the units go against that.

And you spelled satoshis wrong.

And that unit is already a UBTC.

I disagree with this.  There are many countries where a beer costs 3,500 units, and there is nothing wrong with that there.  It's just a matter of getting used to it.  What IS difficult to get used to though, is workign with currency in 0.0xxxxx format.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: btcperth on November 28, 2013, 04:03:07 AM
I like bits, as previously mentioned it was historically used to refer to 1/8th of a Spanish Dollar ... because they were easy to split into eight pieces (another term was "pieces of eight").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_%28money%29


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: omar on June 22, 2014, 07:32:06 AM
Good to see that Coinbase is now allowing prices to be shown with just 2 decimals. They are calling the new unit "bits". A bit confusing, but I like it better than micro-bitcoin. Maybe people will start calling this unit the bit dollar and sathoshis would be bit cents.

http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-announces-pricing-bits-bitcoin-buyback-option/


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: S4VV4S on June 22, 2014, 08:42:04 AM
A BitDollar????

People shouldn't be getting confused as they can see the prices/balance in wallets in dollars or euro.
So really, they can go with what they are used to.

I don't understand why that is confusing to some people.
If you want to buy $20 worth of BTC then that's what you will get.

If you want to buy a product that is $20 worth of BTC, that is what you will pay.



Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: railzand on June 22, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Oh god please let this madness stop


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: SOAD on June 22, 2014, 10:01:13 AM
Paying for things in such big amounts might be confusing at first, but people will get used to it. I think people will still just pay for stuff with the fiat value anyway so it'll avoid most confusion.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: rext on June 22, 2014, 10:06:06 AM
bitdollar? wait will there be a biteuro bityen then?


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: srgkrgkj on June 22, 2014, 10:12:05 AM
Bitcoin dollar all the way :P


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: S4VV4S on June 22, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
Bitcoin dollar all the NO way :P

FTFY    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: zimmah on June 22, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
so many names for the same amount of bitcoins.

i really hope a consensus can be reached, as long as it's not bit. (and bitcoin dollar is a pretty terrible name as well)


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: franky1 on June 22, 2014, 01:19:54 PM
so many names for the same amount of bitcoins.

i really hope a consensus can be reached, as long as it's not bit. (and bitcoin dollar is a pretty terrible name as well)

and bitcoins is 8 letters long (think decimals of a bitcoin)

bit is 3 letters long
00000100

(pre-empting a rebuttle)

better then zib.. zib has no relation to bitcoin and sounds foreign
bit is atleast part of a bitcoin.. literally and financially.

let me guess you want 100sat to be called a bitcoin. so you can shout to the world you finally have 10 bitcoins.. while the world laughs back at you and say you only have a dollar in reality. thats like calling a ounce gold coin, a tonne of gold.

all of these discussions and more can b read over 100 different threads as of autumn 2013.. its now boring, th majority that bothered to vote prefer bit, and many service providers are already rolling with it..

...moving on with our lives


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: bg002h on June 22, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
BitPay and Coinbase agree.

http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/05/02/bitpay-bitcoin-and-where-to-put-that-decimal-point.html

http://blog.coinbase.com/post/89405189782/its-bits


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: RawDog on June 22, 2014, 03:09:19 PM
Bitcoin dollar all the way :P
Team America, Fuck yeah!


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: Cicero2.0 on June 22, 2014, 05:03:46 PM
I like bits and mbits. I am sure over time a standard will emerge. 


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: adizzle on June 22, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
bitdollar? wait will there be a biteuro bityen then?

Lmao :D thats what i was thinking :D, Slippery slope indeed


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: rext on June 22, 2014, 05:47:00 PM
Bitcoin dollar all the way :P
Team America, Fuck yeah!
knew someone was going to say that LOL


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: omar on June 22, 2014, 08:45:46 PM
Actually the word 'dollar' is derived from the Dutch word 'daalder' which is derived from the German word 'thaler'.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dollar

To really make it American, you'd have to call it a bitbuck  ;)



Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: scribbles on June 22, 2014, 10:02:27 PM

Use of the word 'dollar' makes things more ambiguous in my opinion. The term bits is already being adopted by users and bitcoin businesses (coinbase, bitpay, etc).

Not to mention that bits are usually very good things - bacon bits, naughty bits... BTC bits. Done.



Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: DooMAD on June 22, 2014, 10:27:44 PM
a)  This thread is 6 months old, did it really need to be bumped when there's already a recent topic about coinbase?

b)  Naming it dollar is a terrible idea and I've posted before to explain why:

The problem with this idea is that there are plenty of places in the world where dollars (or anything else with connotations to the US for that matter) are not viewed in the most positive light (to put it mildly).  While I'm sure it would make sense for people in Western countries, we have to remember that bitcoin is a global currency.  It's understandable that most of us in the English speaking part of the forum will have a western-centric outlook of the world and it's easy to forget that people in other places will have radically different views.  Bitcoin at it's core is a neutral and unbiased algorithm, so we should stick with new and neutral denominations.


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: Nerazzura on June 23, 2014, 05:44:01 AM
Each bitcoin has 8 digits after the decimal point.

1.00000000

This was a great idea when bitcoin started and its value relative to fiat currencies was very low. But now with the price of bitcoin reaching close to $1000 USD, it's a good time to introduce a new convention: the Bitcoin Dollar (BTC$), where there is just two digits after the decimal point.

Thus, 1 bitcoin = 1,000,000 Bitcoin Dollars
that is: 1 Bitcoin Dollar = 100 Satoshi

Why? Because people are not used to currencies having 8 digits of resolution. As bitcoin goes mainstream changing it to 2 digits makes it easier for people to deal with it and helps them understand that when they buy 1 bitcoin they are really buying 1 million bitcoin dollars. So rather than looking expensive compared to country backed dollars, it looks inexpensive.

I know we could also call it a micro bitcoin, but using that terminology just makes it sound like you are getting something really small. Also it doesn't give you any idea about how many digits are after the decimal. People already know that a dollar has two digits after the decimal.

Bitcoin clients and sites should allow users the option to view amounts in Bitcoin Dollars. Sites can gauge what percent of users enable this option and if a majority start using it then it could be made the default and viewing amounts in bitcoins being optional.

thanks or the info friend, this adds more knowledge about bitcoin, bitcoin future hopefully more familiar to many people and can be accepted in all countries


Title: Re: The Bitcoin Dollar
Post by: nwfella on June 23, 2014, 07:30:21 AM
Bitcoin dollar all the way :P
Team America, Fuck yeah!
lmfao!!  had a chance to use that one earlier this evening during a TV show :)