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Title: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on November 26, 2013, 10:34:28 PM
User Gene Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer,
We apologize for the delay.On checking as informed the amount is huge and we are unable to process the transaction in one withdrawal.Our system brings up with an error as   the amount of f/x SWIFT transfer in excess of the maximum amount.We will be cancelling the transaction and it will credited back to your Mtgox wallet and we request you to split it into multiple transfers or you can use the International Wire payment method. We will definitely help you in withdrawing the funds however we request you to follow the instructions and we will surely be able to help you on this.We do value or customers and their money and trying to help you on this.
Best regards,
Mt.Gox Team
November 26, 2013 13:01


User Robi
You went too far, too far. You promised one week ago, you will transfer back children saving, but you lie.

You changed our withdrawal status from confirmed to error after 6 weeks.
Transfer back our money by hand or whatever you want. We don't need profit, only transfer back our original 100000 USD savings.

We want to cancel contract too and transfer back our savings.

If you play our children money, if you don't transfer back our savings, I will execute myself. Again, I WILL EXECUTE MYSELF.

You are very very bad people, I never met such people like you. You stole our savings, our future, our life. You don't give us any choice, only killing myself.

Valued costumer? Who? You don't care about us, you stole our money.

Your costumer will kill himself, if you don't transfer back our children savings.

Your are evil, you stole and killed my life.

November 26, 2013 17:24


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on November 26, 2013, 10:47:08 PM
My family: http://imgur.com/hGvDa37 http://imgur.com/hGvDa37

MtGox's reply:
Gene, Nov 26 21:02 (JST): Dear Valued Customer,
We understand and I will have your issue escalated to the concern personnel.
Best regards,
Mt.Gox Team


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: WayTooGosu on November 26, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
I have read some of your other threads regarding this, you should provide some solid proof that this did occur and maybe people will open their hearts and donate to you.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: rozey on November 26, 2013, 11:52:07 PM
Listen, hero2w. If you really feel like hurting yourself is a way out, please reconsider.
There are many people who can help you through this difficult time. It's not shameful to ask for help or support!

The lovely people over at this reddit sub forum could help you if you choose to talk to them, and share your problem: http://www.reddit.com/r/SuicideWatch/

Also, I don't know where your from but here is a list of suicide hotlines from many countries, you might consider giving a call to the appropriate on: http://www.suicide.org/international-suicide-hotlines.html

I wish you the best.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: ipx on November 27, 2013, 12:55:27 AM
I hope this is a bad joke... if not im very very sorry for this, but dont kill yourself. Nobody wins.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Automatic on November 27, 2013, 01:01:14 AM
I hope this is a bad joke... if not im very very sorry for this, but dont kill yourself. Nobody wins.

Actually, the person who dies wins. Dying, from what we assume (Granted, I'm not religious, so, I don't believe in Hell), is a lot better than being close to someone who dies, even worse, committing suicide.

I agree, don't do it, and, on top of that, who the fuck puts their entire life savings into one investment?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tinus42 on November 27, 2013, 01:04:09 AM
I hope this is a bad joke... if not im very very sorry for this, but dont kill yourself. Nobody wins.

In the modern crony-capitalist world people are increasingly required more and more to fend to themselves. A parent who can't feed their children even if they work more than 80 hours per week can get quite desperate. Usually it's people with fixed careers and a steady income who blame such people. Because they are doing well and so everyone should be doing well and if they don't it must be because there is something wrong with their character. They are lazy leeches or something else.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: monbux on November 27, 2013, 01:06:57 AM
I hope this is a bad joke... if not im very very sorry for this, but dont kill yourself. Nobody wins.

Actually, the person who dies wins. Dying, from what we assume (Granted, I'm not religious, so, I don't believe in Hell), is a lot better than being close to someone who dies, even worse, committing suicide.

I agree, don't do it, and, on top of that, who the fuck puts their entire life savings into one investment?

Apparantely, it's not much of a deal to this guy until he sees the end.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tinus42 on November 27, 2013, 01:11:59 AM
I hope this is a bad joke... if not im very very sorry for this, but dont kill yourself. Nobody wins.

Actually, the person who dies wins. Dying, from what we assume (Granted, I'm not religious, so, I don't believe in Hell), is a lot better than being close to someone who dies, even worse, committing suicide.

I agree, don't do it, and, on top of that, who the fuck puts their entire life savings into one investment?

Apparantely, it's not much of a deal to this guy until he sees the end.

If you don't expect to live long you'll be likely to take more risks.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Pythonideus on November 27, 2013, 02:36:23 AM
I think/hope this is a troll...it doesn't even make sense at all. Assume that mtGox is going to hold your funds for an entire year, okay? They won't hold it for much longer, because they're an established business. So, assuming they hold it for an entire year, why would you kill yourself because of that? In the picture you posted, [your?] children looked very young; I doubt they have anything to lose by not having access to 100k for another year.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: slijkhuis on November 27, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
Pathetic, to teach you the word "Stealing" that means that someone TAKES it, and not depositing and then saying it is stealing.

And then posting it here for 'attention'. your like a teen-girl a.k.a attention-whore.

This thread should be closed and not tolerated by Bitcoin-Forum staff.

One last tip: make 10 x $10.000 transfers. that will work. (i've withdrawn over $2 million usd in the past years from mt.gox)

Regards.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on November 27, 2013, 04:35:59 PM
Gene Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer,
We understand and I will have your issue escalated to the concern personnel.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
November 26, 2013 21:02


User photo Robi
My wife is crying, crying and crying. We are feeling very bad, what you caused us. You stole our saving. We worked very hard more than 20 years for that money, and finally we transferred to you, because confidence for you, but you stole.

You canceled our withdraw. This is bastard.

Again, again, and again, we need our savings. Transfer back any way you can, by Sepa,or international wire, or splitted, any way, get on a plane and bring it by hand, by walk, or whatever you want, but give it back us, because that is ours.

That is not one click, buy and hold money. That is 20 years hard working money. We have no more. Give it back immediately, because you will be responsible for the tragedy, what will happen.

If you want a tragedy, you can, if you want to kill me, you can, if you want 3 children to lost their father, you can.
I have no doubt, if you want to kill me, you can.

Decide it, you will keep my life for yourself, or you will keep our children' money for yourself.
Decide it, my life or my money.

My advice: solve the problem and transfer back, this is better for everyone. Also, you have apologize, send gift package to children for Christmas time, because you really strained and took this situation to the end. You gone too far, too far.

We are waiting your decision.

November 27, 2013 17:30


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Aahzman on November 27, 2013, 04:55:02 PM
MtGox didn't do this to you. You did this to yourself by not understanding the rules for withdrawals, and by foolishly dumping your family's fortune into a single venture. You can keep spouting all the New Age-y, pseudo-zen hippie bullshit you want, but at the end of the day, you could have avoided this by doing some due diligence and research on the service you were about to throw 100,000euro at.   

I was actually fairly sympathetic to your troubles, until you started dropping post after post filled with hippie, socialist, attention-whoring nonsense.



Gene Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer,
We understand and I will have your issue escalated to the concern personnel.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
November 26, 2013 21:02


User photo Robi
My wife is crying, crying and crying. We are feeling very bad, what you caused us. You stole our saving. We worked very hard more than 20 years for that money, and finally we transferred to you, because confidence for you, but you stole.

You canceled our withdraw. This is bastard.

Again, again, and again, we need our savings. Transfer back any way you can, by Sepa,or international wire, or splitted, any way, get on a plane and bring it by hand, by walk, or whatever you want, but give it back us, because that is ours.

That is not one click, buy and hold money. That is 20 years hard working money. We have no more. Give it back immediately, because you will be responsible for the tragedy, what will happen.

If you want a tragedy, you can, if you want to kill me, you can, if you want 3 children to lost their father, you can.
I have no doubt, if you want to kill me, you can.

Decide it, you will keep my life for yourself, or you will keep our children' money for yourself.
Decide it, my life or my money.

My advice: solve the problem and transfer back, this is better for everyone. Also, you have apologize, send gift package to children for Christmas time, because you really strained and took this situation to the end. You gone too far, too far.

We are waiting your decision.

November 27, 2013 17:30


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: fenghush on November 27, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
Yeah stop being so melodramatic and man up for your kid's sake. what kind of example are you setting for your children? That money is worth losing your life for? That's all that matters to you? Not your 3 adorable little children?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: BitcoinFr34k on November 27, 2013, 05:23:44 PM
OP, you are a retard for investing your children's savings into something unstable like bitcoin.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Ravocado on November 27, 2013, 05:28:43 PM
Have to agree with above...cmon think about your family, really...wife and three kids. Isn't that enough reason to live. Life isn't all about money. And i don't really understand - didn't mtgox say they will refund, just not instantly? And also mtgox is established business with reputation, why would they "steal" someone's money. Anyway threatening with suicide is wrong, think about all the people who really commited suicide and how that action affected people close to them. Wrong, so wrong...get yourself together.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: shedoc on November 27, 2013, 05:29:53 PM
Please don't do that.
Think about your children.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Kinderachtig on November 27, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
I feel verry bad for you my friend.
Please do not harm yourself or your family.

If you pm me your wallet I will send you some bitcoins.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: BitcoinFr34k on November 27, 2013, 05:37:10 PM
I feel verry bad for you my friend.
Please do not harm yourself or your family.

If you pm me your wallet I will send you some bitcoins.

Dude are you serious? Dutch people are too smart to fall for this :P


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Kinderachtig on November 27, 2013, 05:45:08 PM
I will feel verry bad about myself if I can save someone from destroying the lifes of three innocent children but dont, and just let it happend.
If it is a lie than shame on him. Money is not more importent than life itself.

I wish I had more coins to give


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: uMMcQxCWELNzkt on November 27, 2013, 05:48:22 PM
If you kill yourself then you are to blame not MTGox, you have your kids and they should be more valuable then any amount of savings! Prove to them that you care about them more and man up, don't take a cowards way and leave them with your troubles. I suggest just switching off your computer and spending time with your family, or call some counselors to handle your situation.  

Also I suggest people don't start suggesting he starts begging for money, if this is real he is unstable and If for example something does not go well it could make the issue worse. His kids might also be in danger so the best solution is for this family to get some help, professional help.

*also*
Please remember guys that people have done stupid things in the past because of what people say on the internet, don't treat this like a game just because he might be troll.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: coinbird on November 27, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
If you kill yourself your kids will be 1000000x more sad and affected then telling them you failed because you send your family savings to Mt.Gox. Also you obv get the money back so keep calm and wait.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Aahzman on November 27, 2013, 06:47:21 PM
I feel verry bad for you my friend.
Please do not harm yourself or your family.

If you pm me your wallet I will send you some bitcoins.

man, don't fall for this crap. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a big sympathy scam to generate donations...


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: kensai187 on November 27, 2013, 06:49:10 PM
It's only money mate, there are more important things in life. Learn a lesson and move on.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tinus42 on November 27, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
I feel verry bad for you my friend.
Please do not harm yourself or your family.

If you pm me your wallet I will send you some bitcoins.

man, don't fall for this crap. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be a big sympathy scam to generate donations...


If he wanted donations wouldn't he have posted a Bitcoin address?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Blueblarflubar on November 27, 2013, 07:04:45 PM
What is the purpose of publicly posting this?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Milotyc on November 27, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
I personally wouldn't even trust my entire savings to the same bank.
This money, your whole "life", sitting at one spot. A 100k  :o.

FYI: This guy's story is not real. Yes, he does want your money.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tinus42 on November 27, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
I personally wouldn't even trust my entire savings to the same bank.
This money, your whole "life", sitting at one spot. A 100k  :o.

FYI: This guy's story is not real. Yes, he does want your money.

I dunno, he could have bought BTC when it was under $10 and $100k is the current value. He's being very melodramatic about it either way.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Micky25 on November 27, 2013, 08:21:25 PM
you should seek professional help - now.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: jojo69 on November 27, 2013, 08:27:50 PM
oh for fucks' sake

GOX operates under a set of rules you fool, your transfer was too large, nothing they can do about that.  Read Gox's terms and conditions.

And that is if this is even real and not a troll or scam.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: minifrij on November 27, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
Learn what the word stealing means. You invested the money willingly, meaning that you intended the money to go there and you gave permission for it to be transferred, making it not stolen.

If you are serious, then seek help. Don't kill yourself.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: beetcoin on November 27, 2013, 08:58:53 PM
whose fault is it that you put your money into an unstable market.. and apparently to you, your entire savings? i don't know if what mt gox did was fraud or not, but you risked your entire wealth in it.

if you are willing to kill yourself, and "steal" your kids father way from them.. then you are just a douchebag. in 10 years, if i were your kids, i'd be embarassed as fuck to tell people that my dad killed himself over a "bitcoin investment."


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Micky25 on November 27, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
If you kill yourself your kids will be 1000000x more sad and affected then telling them you failed because you send your family savings to Mt.Gox.

This is doubtable.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: red fuji on November 27, 2013, 09:28:33 PM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: beetcoin on November 27, 2013, 09:36:47 PM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic  
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

can you link to the posts where they threatened suicide?

money can be a really bad thing.. it draws out the ugliest part of humanity: greed. sad to see, and even sadder to see it in myself  >:(


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: jojo69 on November 27, 2013, 09:55:42 PM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

Ohhhh, now we have a self appointed cop in the thread

well how about this,,,fuck you sheriff, this thread ain't big enough for the both of us


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Automatic on November 28, 2013, 04:47:34 AM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

Bring it on.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: jballs on November 28, 2013, 06:15:29 AM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

Bring it on.


Noob here...

First I have troll radar and this thread seems to be pushing the limit. Neither here nor there, I am trying to learn more about BTC and have to wonder why this has any validity? Are emails from MtGox typically riddled with typos and inconsistencies? Is it common to not be able to withdraw money? Do people get ripped off at these very large exchanges?

In short, suicide aside, why is anyone in this thread taking the underlying accusation seriously? Is MtGox unreliable?

Thanks!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: FallenKings on November 28, 2013, 06:19:33 AM
Damn this is real? Jeezus.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Dux2K on November 28, 2013, 06:57:15 AM
I believe noone that is serious about doing such a thing would post it on a forum - let alone one like this.
But ANY threat should be taken seriously.

What is the truth? I don't know.
Maybe it would be more fair to just ask for help...

If it happens to be the truth - then this is really sad... :(


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on November 28, 2013, 09:16:23 AM
For those who think this is a scam thread, here is the antecedent of this topic.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339065 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339065)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: BitcoinLatvia on November 28, 2013, 09:33:19 AM
Never invest more than you are willing to lose.

If the money is transferred back to gox, I don't see a problem. Just buy bitcoins with it, transfer to other exchanges and then sell the bitcoins and withdraw the money from there.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: doryphoros on November 28, 2013, 09:55:11 AM
Is this real? I doubt it...

If it is, lawyer up or keep fighting with mtGox, come on dude.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Pythonideus on November 28, 2013, 10:10:04 AM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

please, not the cyber police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejGGwq4qTmE)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Pythonideus on November 28, 2013, 10:10:37 AM
For those who think this is a scam thread, here is the antecedent of this topic.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339065 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339065)


that doesn't really make it any less of a scam


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: maurya78 on November 28, 2013, 10:21:28 AM
Spare us please, nobody cares anymore

This is so scammy, it's unreal!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on November 28, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
Marion Support Desk
Dear Robert Hegedus,
Thank you for your mail and please do not kill yourself.
I am not sure to understand the issue, nobody said that we will not send the money.
Our bank with SEPA does not support transfer over 50,000.00 euros.
Could you make 2 transfers of 50,000 euros each if you want to use the SEPA transfer method ? And I will assist you in the process.
Everything is written there : https://support.mtgox.com/entries/21649594-Withdrawals-and-Deposits
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
November 28, 2013 16:53

User photo Robi
Your changed your mind, not me. I just followed your permission and regulation what you sent at June and your web page at October.

You allowed me 100.000 EUR permission to withdrawing at June and October, you held my withdrawing status in confirmed from October 17. until November 26, you changed your mind, you canceled my withdrawing, you play with us, you do whatever you want with us, and not me.

You are wrong again, I will not kill myself, MTGOX will kill me, because lying, manipulating, holding, playing with our savings, no responsibility, no care. Just your profit,

I do not cancel my withdraw request from October 17.
I did not give you any permission to cancel my withdraw.
This is my first withdraw ever, and I just followed your permission and regulation from June, and your withdrawal page in October, but you said, I am wrong, because your FAQ in May.

I am wrong, because I followed your regulation an your withdrawal page. Congratulation for everybody in MTGOX. You are really smart.

You must follow your FAQ, you must process my withdrawing by international wire transfer to my HSBC Malta account by hand and by yourself.

You was wrong, you must help me, you must save my life.

This is official asking for you:
make 100.000 EUR withdrawing to us by hand, but in priority and put first in order, because I started at October 17.

And change your withdrawal page, and do not allow more than 50.000 EUR by SEPA. So, transfer back our savings by hand, we need our savings now.

November 28, 2013 18:57
screenshot: http://imgur.com/eu5REx3 (http://imgur.com/eu5REx3)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Ravocado on November 28, 2013, 11:43:57 AM
This is getting out of hands...moderators please lock/delete this. I mean, seriously whats the problem? You want mtgox to personally bring you money...sigh. And please stop using suicide as a way to get things done your way - it's not appropriate. Again - get yourself together man.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: BitcoinFr34k on November 28, 2013, 11:58:39 AM


The following users have been placed on record for aggravating a suicide and are in jeapordy of being prosectuted.
It is highly recommended that they immediately seize further posts. Suicide threats are taken seriously as well as their accomplices.
 
Automatic 
slijkhuis
Aahzman
BitcoinFr34k
frank22

Oh noes! This guy won't kill himself because HE IS MAKING THIS WHOLE THING UP.

Prosecute me ;)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Martijnvdc on November 28, 2013, 12:59:53 PM
Killing yourself for 100k??
Also, the money is NOT gone............. Just wait for the funds to be back in your mt.gox account, then withdraw small amounts of money. Get out a few thousand each month.
Don't kill yourself.

(i'm pretty sure we're being trolled here.)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: ajax3592 on November 28, 2013, 01:30:30 PM
Life is much more valuable then how much amount of money you have. Agree, it gets better with more money, but there's never a time you are out of choices. Calm down, chill and think hard.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: max. on November 28, 2013, 01:48:58 PM
If you die mtgox will get your money forever. If you stay alive you can fight for your money.

I don't understand why you think that by telling all of this to mtgox they will care about you and your family, every day people die because they don't have food and water and the people that could help do nothing and they don't care.

The only ones that care about you is your family and by doing any crazy thing you will affect them only, you will not affect mtgox in any way.

Mtgox could do something if all of this was news in the top news websites, youtube, twitter, facebook, etc, etc, that is the only way that some company would do something different.

Try sending your story to the dailymail.co.uk or other news web site about your issue but stop thinking about doing anything crazy that will only affect your family and no one else, remember that in this times people only want money and they don't care about others issues. It could be very easy for banks and companies if all people think like you do that way they will keep others money in a very easy way.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: malevolent on November 28, 2013, 02:09:28 PM
As a former Zen teacher this guy should be better equipped at handling this than resolving to suicide threats.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: frufru on November 28, 2013, 02:46:35 PM
i simply don't get the story.  bitcoins bought in may for 100.000 still worth 100.000? the op can’t understand stand that his money is still there but he has to withdraw in two steps?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: max. on November 28, 2013, 03:05:07 PM
As a former Zen teacher this guy should be better equipped at handling this than resolving to suicide threats.

A former Zen teacher with a nick name: Malevolent?

adjective
1.
wishing evil or harm to another or others; showing ill will; ill-disposed; malicious: His failures made him malevolent toward those who were successful.
2.
evil; harmful; injurious: a malevolent inclination to destroy the happiness of others.
3.
Astrology . evil or malign in influence.


Maybe it is time to change your job


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: morrisford on November 28, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
Strange that the MtGox attributed text and the writing of the poster have the same kind of typos and clumsy use of english. Maybe this is all BS.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Sam-Os on November 28, 2013, 03:20:33 PM
Before I Kill myself I would fly to Japan and give some people at MTGOX very bad day.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Creatrix on November 28, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
I hope he will change his decision.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: malevolent on November 28, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
As a former Zen teacher this guy should be better equipped at handling this than resolving to suicide threats.

A former Zen teacher with a nick name: Malevolent?

adjective
1.
wishing evil or harm to another or others; showing ill will; ill-disposed; malicious: His failures made him malevolent toward those who were successful.
2.
evil; harmful; injurious: a malevolent inclination to destroy the happiness of others.
3.
Astrology . evil or malign in influence.


Maybe it is time to change your job

lol I think there is a misunderstanding

the OP aka hero2w aka Robert Hedegus (https://www.facebook.com/zenrobi) is a former Zen teacher


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: superresistant on November 28, 2013, 04:26:10 PM
There is two kind of people :
People that care about life.
People that only care about money.


Money has no value compared to your life. It doesn't matter being rich or poor because this doesn't mean you are better or doesn't mean you are happier.


Actually ...your whole life is an illusion. Time is an illusion. There is no past or future. Only you observing the world. Without observer, the world doesn't exist.
You are thinking about leaving the world but is it even possible ? You can only leave your body and all the material things : comfort, money, cars, houses but your consciousness exist without your brain. Your consciousness existed before you where born and necessarily exist after that event that you call "death".
Maybe it is time for you to leave the material world for the world of ideas.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: chemist4higher on November 28, 2013, 04:29:37 PM
hero2w. just put in smaller withdrawals and do them every 20 day ish. you can definitely have like 10k a month income. tbh mtgox has high prices but i hear its better to not use mtgox.

you know one time i got my heart broken by a girl and i wanted to straight up kill her. but i didnt. just take some deep breaths and regroup and get your f*!@# money. every 20 days is like maybe 30k or more every 2 months.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tinus42 on November 28, 2013, 05:03:03 PM
As a former Zen teacher this guy should be better equipped at handling this than resolving to suicide threats.

A former Zen teacher with a nick name: Malevolent?

adjective
1.
wishing evil or harm to another or others; showing ill will; ill-disposed; malicious: His failures made him malevolent toward those who were successful.
2.
evil; harmful; injurious: a malevolent inclination to destroy the happiness of others.
3.
Astrology . evil or malign in influence.


Maybe it is time to change your job

lol I think there is a misunderstanding

the OP aka hero2w aka Robert Hedegus (https://www.facebook.com/zenrobi) is a former Zen teacher

Looked at his Facebook. He seems a nice guy with beautiful kids and a lovely girlfriend. Why would he want to throw all of that away?

Besides he lives in Hungary which is a wonderful country. Been there last summer. :)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: HeroC on November 28, 2013, 05:04:11 PM
Do not do it. Think of your wife, your kids. Think of all the fun times you had, and will have with them. You WILL get through this, no matter what happens. Imagine how your family will feel if you do it. All the grief they will feel. You will never be able to see your loving family again.

It may take a while, but things will get better. Do not loose hope.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: frufru on November 28, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Looked at his Facebook. He seems a nice guy with beautiful kids and a lovely girlfriend. Why would he want to throw all of that away?

Besides he lives in Hungary which is a wonderful country. Been there last summer. :)

He's hungarian? Then: Nagyon remélem, hogy ez valami vicc, mert ha komoly, az nem jó. Ha igaz, akkor most nem számít, hogy mennyire jó ötlet ilyen befektetésbe így beleugrani, le kell higgadni és úgy átgondolni a lehetőségeket. Az itt leírtak alapján több részletben probléma nélkül ki tudod venni a pénzt, csak nem egyben. Persze idegörlő a várakozás, de menni fog.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: RAVENCROW on November 28, 2013, 06:15:38 PM
What is with this guys English?  ::)


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: malevolent on November 28, 2013, 06:27:28 PM
What is with this guys English?  ::)

He uses Google Translate (there was a tab open with it on one of the screenshots that he posted).


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: wojbik on November 28, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
I'm just hoping it's not true at all... Never thought BTC will become such a big deal, despite I'm watching it rises and falls for a while.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: escrow.ms on November 28, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
Hey hold on man, If mtgox is doing some delay, cancel that withdrawal request, buy bitcoins with your money, withdraw them and sell them on localbitcoins in parts.

What's the big deal.?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: buggrock on November 28, 2013, 07:06:01 PM
I don't know if OP story is real, but I am currently experiencing the same problem.

I am not thinking of suicide in anyway, but I do have an attorney getting involved.

I bought BTC when it was pennies. Today I am literally a Virtual Millionaire, and no exchange will allow me  to WITHDRAW my money. The claim it is a "High Risk", even tho I have been fully verified.

I know someone else who is experiencing the same problem along with the OP. The OP can contact me, and join us in a (class action) lawsuit against these BTC exchanges. Anybody else experiencing the same issue can contact me.

This is a BIG WARNING to all of you about this BTC ponzi scheme . Maybe they let you guys withdraw small amounts, but when you make alot of money and  try to withdraw it. They are going to freeze your accounts.

Alot of you are investing in this scam, in hopes of getting rich. Wait until it goes up in value (Virtual Millions) and cant get it out. Only then will you realize its a scam.

Obviously nobody knows who is the creator SATOSHI, so nobody can sue him. Pretty creative way of ripping off millions (maybe billions) , and no way of being imprisoned or sued.

Please stop putting all of your money, hopes, and dreams into this. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WARNED!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: tbcoin on November 28, 2013, 07:11:49 PM
I don't know if OP story is real, but I am currently experiencing the same problem.

I am not thinking of suicide in anyway, but I do have an attorney getting involved.

I bought BTC when it was pennies. Today I am literally a Virtual Millionaire, and no exchange will allow me  to WITHDRAW my money. The claim it is a "High Risk", even tho I have been fully verified.

I know someone else who is experiencing the same problem along with the OP. The OP can contact me, and join us in a (class action) lawsuit against these BTC exchanges. Anybody else experiencing the same issue can contact me.

This is a BIG WARNING to all of you about this BTC ponzi scheme . Maybe they let you guys withdraw small amounts, but when you make alot of money and  try to withdraw it. They are going to freeze your accounts.

Alot of you are investing in this scam, in hopes of getting rich. Wait until it goes up in value (Virtual Millions) and cant get it out. Only then will you realize its a scam.

Obviously nobody knows who is the creator SATOSHI, so nobody can sue him. Pretty creative way of ripping off millions (maybe billions) , and no way of being imprisoned or sued.

Please stop putting all of your money, hopes, and dreams into this. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WARNED!


... really again?

Greetings,

Am new to BTC. I been planning on investing for over a year, but finally took the leap tonite.

I purchased a small amount of BTC first, just so I could practice the learning-curve. I want to get comfortable before making a bigger purchas.

I bought some BTC tonite from VIRWOX. I want to save my BTC into cold storage. What do I do now?

Thanks in advance




Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: malevolent on November 28, 2013, 07:12:12 PM
It's got nothing to do with satoshi, stay away from the exchanges and trade with people on localbitcoins and you should be fine.

EDIT:

@up

now that's funny  :D


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: max. on November 28, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
I bet that mtgox and Satoshi Nakamoto are the same.

The top bitcoin exchange is mtgox and the founder of bitcoin is a man with a japanese name

Travel to japan and go to mtgox and you will find Satoshi Nakamoto


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Soulfap on November 28, 2013, 10:20:03 PM
I strongly suggest calming down and trying to solve this in a sophisticated manner. Threatening MTGOX will not help you get your money back. MTGOX has a daily/weekly transaction barrier, so you can't withdraw huge amounts at a time. You can however exchange your bitcoins in to EUR (That is your local currency, right?) and slowly send yourself the euro every week until you reach the full amount.

Also, it seems as if you bought €100k worth of bitcoins several months ago, those €100k are surely a lot more by now? Does not this make you happy, rather than sad? You have essentially increased your life savings by a huge amount!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: freethink2013 on November 28, 2013, 10:23:11 PM
Just from a gaming theory pov this is not a winning tactic


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: chemist4higher on November 28, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
its not like your balance is 0. thats robbery. just be smart on your end game.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: AWSOM on November 28, 2013, 10:32:02 PM
OP, you are a retard for investing your children's savings into something unstable like bitcoin.
This. Never investment money you can't miss.

I feel verry bad for you my friend.
Please do not harm yourself or your family.

If you pm me your wallet I will send you some bitcoins.

Dude are you serious? Dutch people are too smart to fall for this :P

haha read it again xD


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: turnin on November 28, 2013, 10:52:22 PM
I guess IF this recent rise in crypto currencies is a "bubble", reminding people that a bath has many bubbles :0 Then it leaves the likes of MT Gox in a situation where they could run out of money very quickly, if there was a sudden spate of withdrawals, in my mind the exact same thing would occur if everyone tried to withdraw cash from their mainstream banks.
Either way the OP needs to appreciate the real value of wealth, wealth is being able to hold your wifes hand, walk in the park with your kids and appreciate the beauty of nature. removing your families father is a sh*t thing to do over false wealth. So like everyone else has said, feel some love, hug your family, withdraw your bitcoins slowly or think of another strategy like converting to other coins. If you are just a troll then thanks for making everyone else see the value in not killing ourselves because we can't have all the things we want right now.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: chemist4higher on November 28, 2013, 11:43:04 PM
with 100k you could of invested in something more stable that your family can rely on. but its not like he doesnt have 100k in mtgox.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Wipeout2097 on November 29, 2013, 12:10:48 AM
MtGox didn't do this to you. You did this to yourself by not understanding the rules for withdrawals, and by foolishly dumping your family's fortune into a single venture. You can keep spouting all the New Age-y, pseudo-zen hippie bullshit you want, but at the end of the day, you could have avoided this by doing some due diligence and research on the service you were about to throw 100,000euro at.   

I was actually fairly sympathetic to your troubles, until you started dropping post after post filled with hippie, socialist, attention-whoring nonsense.
The guy is not American, doesn't not have to deal with your redneck grade ideology. SHUT THE FUCK UP!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Odrec on November 29, 2013, 01:52:06 AM
This is weird. Why would you kill yourself? just withdraw the funds in small parts until you have it all. Isn't that an option?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: hero2w on December 05, 2013, 12:19:23 AM
In fact, you are lost the Great Way. Your mind became corrupt, you lost your social and human behavior, finally you forgot human's original goal.

If our son come to me anytime, because he is hungry, I give food to him, if our daughter cry because storm in midnight, I calm her, if our baby shouts because sleepy, I will rock him. No thinking, no speculation, no profit, just help. This is our way.

I am a zen teacher and Buddhist nearly 30 years. I have to say, you are wrong, and you lost our original goal.

Your support desk call itself zen desk. No, it is not a zen desk, you are not a zen desk.

Zen means, save others, care others, and help others. Our original goal is simple: to save the people, to save all beings.

Bitcoin is a technology jump, and nothing more, but must lot of developing, because, it's based unsocial behavior, as speculation, fear and profit.

In Buddhism we say, you lost your clear mind, and you are not different like a hungry daemon for money. In fact, you are in big trouble, because your unsocial mentality.

In this reason, I offered many times by email, change your mind, and come and help to save the world economy, help the other peoples, help the poor peoples.

But, you are so proud, you are so rich, you are so power, and you don't want to face of the truth.

The truth is simple, you can decide about other peoples life and money, and you have no spirit for that, you have no skill for that, you have no social responsibility for that, you have no wisdom for that.

You are a so proud people, who say zen, but you don't know nothing about that.
Zen means love, responsibility, care, help, save.

Robert Hegedus
1st Hungarian Zen Patriarch
by secret Dharma transmission with Zen Master Seung Sahn.

November 30, 2013 00:32

https://www.facebook.com/notes/540407642649984

November 30, 2013 02:17

Dear Robert,

We apologize for the delay.We completely understand and really sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused.We will surely help you in processing your withdrawals however as informed we are unable to process 100.000 EUR as one transaction as our Bank has imposed limits and the withdrawal over 50,000 Euros cannot be processed which will bring up with an error so we kindly request you to split the transactions as two as 50,000 Euros each.And if you wish to initiate the withdrawal via International as informed you will have to add your Bank details with the transfer type as Intl and add the Bank account to initiate via wire transfer.Unfortunately all Bank accounts go through validation process and we will not be able to add Bank account and initiate withdrawal on your behalf.We request you to proceed as informed and we will be able to help you without much delay.Thank you for your understanding in this matter.

Best regards,

Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com

[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit https://mtgox.com/security]

December 02, 2013 13:02
Robi
Hello, don't figure out later, we made something wrong with our money in withdrawal. Check my every single steps in my account. Do not cancel again our withdrawing with any stupid reason, do not play with our saving.

1. I just added my HSBC Bank Malta International account in your page.
That is correct?

2. I want withdraw 100.000 EUR to my HSBC Bank Malta International. Not 2x50.000 EUR, just one time 100.000 EUR. That is correct?

Do not say again, I was wrong, step all step and put our withdraw in first and priority in order, because October 17. We need back our money now.

zenrobi

December 02, 2013 17:16
Gene
Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer,

Sorry for the delay.The Bank account added has been validated by our AML team ,you will be able to initiate the withdrawal via International and update us once its initiated.As we have delays in processing via normal method via wire transfer ,our Bank has provided an option to process it manually with the fee of 5%. Please update us once its initiated. The other transaction made for 7,699.54000 € has been processed and should appear in your Bank account,let us know once you receive the funds.

Best regards,

Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com

[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit https://mtgox.com/security]

December 04, 2013 17:08
Robi
Are you kidding us? You don't accept our bank account, what you accepted before, it is under validating 3 days? You changed 7.777 EUR withdraw status from processing to pending?

This is your Christmas present to a family? Why you continue this bastard action? Why are you playing with my life?

THAT IS NOT YOUR MONEY! Understand? Nothing to you! That is not yours.

Who is that man, who leading zen desk? Who is that man, who decided to cancel our withdraw? Who decided our life?

Who is the boss in zen desk? Give me his name! I was not joke, I will stop eating and die, if you don't transfer back our money. I started withdraw nearly 2 months ago!

I want to know, who is that man exactly, who is holding our money back. I want his name, I want talk with that man, who wants to kill me.

December 04, 2013 17:22


Hello zenrobi,

We regret to inform you that the Withdrawal Center method you created for HSBC BANK MALTA International on Mon 02 Dec 2013 08:00:12 AM GMT was rejected by our validation system, for the following reason :

Withdraw method are limited to where funds first came from. In this case the only method that could be saved within your account will be HU68117750322317001800000000. Account from "HU"

If you would like further information or assistance in relation to this, please do not hesitate to contact support at support@mtgox.com.

Kind regards

Mt.Gox Support Team
Robi
What are you doing?
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

You asked me preciously many times, you asked me to put my HSBC account to international! Now, you rejected my HSBC account what you are asked before. You rejected our HSBC account!

This is crazy!

You are not accepted the HSBC bank account, what you accepted before?

You are kidding us! What are you doing? What are you doing? HSBC is our EUR account, other bank account is USD. My money is in EUR, not USD.

And how you figured out 5% fee for transfer? Your faq wrote before 4000jpy only.

You are bandits! I want to know the boss's name, you stole our money.

December 04, 2013 19:00


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Gcr0n on December 05, 2013, 01:31:59 AM

note to self: never ever gamble all life savings on something that can make you lose all ( wait i already knew that! )

especially if you have children..

if this is a true story, keep your mind clear, save all contact, find someone that can help you.

posting it on here might feel good, but it will not solve anything.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: amdcpus on December 05, 2013, 03:37:24 AM
sorry op


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: nether on December 05, 2013, 03:54:16 AM
Can't he buy bitcoins and then sell them?

He could but he would still be stuck not being able to withdraw cash from MtGOX but I think language barrier is the bigger issue here. MtGox support should treat this guy with a bit more care because if this is real he is in full on panic mode and pain for him is real and physical.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: 7Priest7 on December 05, 2013, 04:19:30 AM
In fact, you are lost the Great Way. Your mind became corrupt, you lost your social and human behavior, finally you forgot human's original goal.
All humans are born with a original goal????
News to me.
If our son come to me anytime, because he is hungry, I give food to him, if our daughter cry because storm in midnight, I calm her, if our baby shouts because sleepy, I will rock him. No thinking, no speculation, no profit, just help. This is our way.
You chose to have kids, taking care of your kids gets no points in my book.

I am a zen teacher and Buddhist nearly 30 years. I have to say, you are wrong, and you lost our original goal.
A zen teacher yet you haphazardly threaten suicide?
Such a blatant, obvious attempt to evoke unmerited sympathy for you...
LOL

Your support desk call itself zen desk. No, it is not a zen desk, you are not a zen desk.

Zen means, save others, care others, and help others. Our original goal is simple: to save the people, to save all beings.
No, Zen teaches enlightenment through meditation, something you clearly know nothing about (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zen).

Bitcoin is a technology jump, and nothing more, but must lot of developing, because, it's based unsocial behavior, as speculation, fear and profit.
Bitcoin is a crypto-currency, exchanges like mt.GOX are a blight to BTC as they distract from the real goals of BTC.

In Buddhism we say, you lost your clear mind, and you are not different like a hungry daemon for money. In fact, you are in big trouble, because your unsocial mentality.
We have previously established that based off your own statements, you simply cannot be a Zen teacher/practitioner.

In this reason, I offered many times by email, change your mind, and come and help to save the world economy, help the other peoples, help the poor peoples.
Again you ramble on about helping people, Mt.GOX is disgusting and it is not a charity.

But, you are so proud, you are so rich, you are so power, and you don't want to face of the truth.
What truth should Mt.GOX face, your needy gimme gimme truth?


The truth is simple, you can decide about other peoples life and money, and you have no spirit for that, you have no skill for that, you have no social responsibility for that, you have no wisdom for that.
Mt.GOX is not all powerful, stop giving them so much power over you/the world.

You are a so proud people, who say zen, but you don't know nothing about that.
Zen means love, responsibility, care, help, save.
Again? Ironic. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zen)


You ramble too much, I grow tired of making this response.

My advice to you, pause, analyze your situation, meditate, follow a reasonable logical course of action that is most likely to provide the results you want/need.

Rambling on to a forum that has no influence on mt.GOX is a fruitless endeavor for you.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: sweetNlow on December 05, 2013, 04:27:40 AM
I hope this is a joke....if not OP I honestly think your kids and wife would rather have their husband/father, and be far more happy. Money doesn't buy life. Find someone in person to talk to!!!


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: lightshadow on December 05, 2013, 04:29:21 AM
Never put all your money in one investment. Never invest money you don't already consider gone.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: lindatess on December 05, 2013, 07:40:33 AM
Why don't you want the money to be put into the account where you deposited from?

The process you are describing makes you seem like a money mule. You should be indifferent to having money in Hungary and Malta.

I don't know what you are trying to do by making this public, but it isn't going to make mtgox care because they just following their AML regulations.

You realise we know that the IBAN starting with HU is from Hungary. Why are you trying to transfer the money to Malta, a known money laundering site and tax haven?


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: laowai80 on December 05, 2013, 08:06:48 AM
Bad acting, I wouldn't buy a 1-cent ticket to this drama.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: Aenyen on December 05, 2013, 09:33:36 AM
Sorry to hear that. Please don't hurt yourself.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: DoubleMoo on December 05, 2013, 09:44:01 AM
The person is putting so much into this story that I don't believe its a troll.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: p4nd427 on December 05, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
I hope that things will turn out right for OP. Don't harm yourself, not worth it. Keep fighting for what they have from you and your family.


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: ajax3592 on December 05, 2013, 02:16:19 PM
Read your username bro, it says "Hero" now c'mon act like one. RISE


Title: Re: 3 children' Father will execute himself because MTGOX
Post by: cctekh on December 05, 2013, 03:32:34 PM
In fact, you are lost the Great Way. Your mind became corrupt, you lost your social and human behavior, finally you forgot human's original goal.

[...]

Robert Hegedus
1st Hungarian Zen Patriarch
by secret Dharma transmission with Zen Master Seung Sahn

December 04, 2013 19:00

Are you sure you don't need the money for a drug addiction or something?  You sound like you are on something, or you are trolling hard.


If you aren't a troll, try acting more professional and less dramatic when communicating with businesses, and take the time to listen to their responses.  I'm actually pretty pleased by MtGox responses, might have to start using them.