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Title: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on November 28, 2013, 07:26:29 PM
Actualized information - Dec-11-2013

We are a group of programmers, cryptographers, historians, sociologists and traders with the objective to create a new altcoin.
We are calling to anyone whom like to participate and be part of this group.
a) First objective of the plan: move in the top 20 and have a lot of fun.
http://coinmarketcap.com/

Ideology
 - Decentralized design
 - Pre announcement launch
 - 0 premine
 - Focusing in community building
 - Taking decision for the coin in a meritocratic and democratic way
 - Risk takers: we are here to innovate

Technical characteristics
 - Multi hashing algorithm
 - asic resistance
 - fixed number of coins


* we are open to new ideas
* You can take part as a developer, designer, investor or marketer

We will thank you if you give us yor feedback.

List of forum members iterested in this project
- OGskunk
- Coinpicker
- ahmed_bodi
- Hampuz
- AuroraHF
- MsCollec
- limek93
- srfulme
- TheMathematician
- ipsum100
- Etlase2
- digicoin
- nicepen
- Icaris


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: OGskunk on November 28, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
count me in I can setup some kind of gambling game for the new coin


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: Coinpicker on November 28, 2013, 07:39:05 PM
You can contact me, i´m: coder | investor | SEO expert


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: ahmed_bodi on November 28, 2013, 07:39:50 PM
i setup block explorers and pools. my work: crypto-expert.com and cryptopools.com


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: AWSOM on November 28, 2013, 08:01:19 PM
Where are you and your team from dowa?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: dowa on November 28, 2013, 08:59:21 PM
We are a team of developers from Latin America, so much potencial here.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: Hampuz on November 28, 2013, 09:00:55 PM
Count me in! Dont have any cool skillsets or whatever, but i sure can market the coin and act as the face out here and on other forums!

-Hampuz


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: dowa on November 30, 2013, 03:17:00 AM
Just remember Feather coin today at $1.17, we can do much better. 


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: dowa on December 09, 2013, 05:06:37 AM
I just want to inform you that
We have two amazing developers.
We are very close of getting the prototype.
We have 38 people already registred for the fair launch.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: AuroraHF on December 09, 2013, 05:09:23 AM
I would love to know more about this. I can promote it easily.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching 10 partners
Post by: MsCollec on December 09, 2013, 05:09:44 AM
Count me in as investor.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: kelsey on December 09, 2013, 05:45:44 AM
I what to launch a new alt coin with the objective to move in the top 20 and have a lot of fun
http://coinmarketcap.com/

So your aim is purely to market it into the top 20 by market cap? So essentially you just purely want to get a coin up in value against USD?

summary a pump n dump scam....nice open honest start I guess  ::)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: Sharky444 on December 09, 2013, 05:50:01 AM
The problem is that there is like 100 Litecoin clones. If you want success you would have to modify the algo, so CPU miners have a chance in the first weeks, until a GPU miner comes out.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: bobbahope on December 09, 2013, 06:09:11 AM
You should make it a PPC based coin if possible, it seems far more interesting than litecoin.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: kelsey on December 09, 2013, 06:30:01 AM
You should make it a PPC based coin if possible, it seems far more interesting than litecoin.


or you could just support ppc and or ltc  :o


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: dowa on December 09, 2013, 07:03:42 PM
We believe that there are space for a lot coins, in the same way that there are space for a different football teams, each one with different approaches.
Each one with a different fan base.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: Hampuz on December 09, 2013, 07:07:01 PM
How is the teamsearching going? Would we see some ideas soon? :)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: digicoin on December 09, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
Please develop NetCoin2 together https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169204.500 It will be the next Bitcoin


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: limek93 on December 09, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
I can help market the coin and setup giveaways on different coin websites. I can also post a video to my youtube channel about the coin if it really bring something new to the table. I have real world marketing experience so you won't regret having me on the team :) Contact me if you are interested!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers
Post by: srfulmer on December 09, 2013, 08:49:45 PM
I'm a web dev that's also interested. Could help build services around it and get the word out. Contact me if interested!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Arundel
Post by: dowa on December 09, 2013, 11:37:10 PM
Thi is not pump and dump project, its a long term ideal.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Arundel
Post by: moke on December 09, 2013, 11:45:26 PM

  “Build new features once is working” any ideas about new features?
   if only clone of Litecoin or PPC, it makes no sense.
   if it has new innovations, i can help u to introduce it to China.
   u know, China is biggest coin market now.
   Good luck.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Arundel
Post by: dowa on December 10, 2013, 03:56:37 AM
I just want to refer to
Worldcoin = #6 - $ 28,308,947 market cap
Feathercoin = #9 - $ 14,581,632 market cap
This coins have their base in litecoin code, and have great communities, but almost 0 new features.
Our main interest is not to make money, is to have a great community, make new friends and explore new crypto ideas.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Sharky444 on December 10, 2013, 03:20:41 PM
Please not another scrypt coin. Make something innovative - a new algo!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Jaguar0625 on December 10, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Do you plan on introducing any new features or is this coin going to be simply a clone coin?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Bfljosh on December 10, 2013, 04:03:58 PM
Please no more clonecoins. Make something original.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: EmoneyRu on December 10, 2013, 04:07:54 PM
I recommend to look at gridcoin. The idea is awesome - make PoW-stage of coin's lifetime useful (even if you want to accent PoS-stage)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: ipsum100 on December 10, 2013, 04:50:49 PM
Hola dowa, me gustaria ayudaros con el proyecto.

Soy de Barcelona, te escribo en castellano por que has comentado que sois de America Latina, pues aquí teneis un componente mas de Europa si quereis.

Como datos técnicos soy ingeniero , especializado en redes cisco.
Puedo aportar una visión amplia al proyecto para llevar a buen termino ese puesto de ranking que deseais.

Contactame por aqui , si necesitais ayuda.

Un saludo  :)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on December 10, 2013, 07:14:46 PM
I am a big believer in 0 premine, however the challenge is to find a way to get an inicial amout of coins in order to suport the launch and the developers.
What do you think guys?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: elelegzet on December 10, 2013, 07:27:02 PM
 Latin America ?So,  call it football-coin / soccercoin and implement colored coins to make a stock exchange and club totalizator ;). Might be interesting.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: prins on December 10, 2013, 07:58:16 PM
The problem is that there is like 100 Litecoin clones. If you want success you would have to modify the algo, so CPU miners have a chance in the first weeks, until a GPU miner comes out.
pure cpu mining is quite vulnerable to vps mining and botnets, im still waiting for the coin that uses gpu power along with cpu, im not a coder or anything so i have no clue if its possible, but it fights the unbalanced big mining rigs, be even more asic resistant (scrypt asics seem to be coming) and should be pretty crappy for vps/botnet mining. Your normally balanced cpu/gpu pcs will be the bulk of the miners and the coin would be well spread for a more stable market (you only cant stop the whale buyers/sellers i guess..)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Etlase2 on December 10, 2013, 08:05:39 PM
I am a big believer in 0 premine, however the challenge is to find a way to get an inicial amout of coins in order to suport the launch and the developers.
What do you think guys?

Are you actually looking to do something really different or just a few hacks on the bitcoin code? What is your programming ability? I'm developing a "dreamer" codebase, see sig for more info.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: digicoin on December 10, 2013, 08:06:20 PM
Please publish your specs. I am a developer too. I think I can help


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: nicepen on December 10, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
I would be happy to help with marketing and coin awareness.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: burnum on December 10, 2013, 09:37:04 PM
I am a big believer in 0 premine, however the challenge is to find a way to get an inicial amout of coins in order to suport the launch and the developers.
What do you think guys?

I think the developers should surely be compensated for time spent on a project, but anything that looks premined has lately taken alot of flack,the best way I have read is if your very clear about how much of a percent is to go toward the development team, with it clear at the start people can choose into the project or opt out completely, as a novice crypto player here I would hope more ingenious projects are clear that a percent is going to development instead of devs sneaking a way that looks bad but cannot be proven.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: limek93 on December 10, 2013, 11:53:55 PM
The win factor of this could would have to be a really solid new feature that no other coin provides. Such as a whole new algorithm like someone mentioned earlier on this forum. Not sure if your devs are able to accomplish that but it sure will be the selling point that will definitely interest a lot of investors.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Hampuz on December 11, 2013, 12:01:07 AM
Instead of premining it, ask for a couple of donations that goes towards the project? And when you release it I bet you will start mining it, and then can pay back a fair amount of coins that is agreed upon before the launch?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: burnum on December 11, 2013, 12:24:07 AM
New feature, I would like to see something like this:

Now after having read a little about datacoin and I really like the idea around something like PTS and being able to earn a return on a digital currency, would it be possible to store coins in a blockchain? With them in the open is there a way for them to be secure? If so could something be made that you pay a fee for deposit your coins into and come back 1-5 years and collect interest on them?
Could it be possible to deposit other coins such as BTC, LTC, PTS or whichever, I think yes
Could mining (forging) be done by depositors when they turn on their computer? small amounts of processing, why not?
This is surely a way to decentralize banking, I have no clue how all this programming works, I just have high hopes that something like this would be possible, and when I read about datacoin, well you get a crazy idea....



Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on December 11, 2013, 12:24:42 AM
Hampuz
Thanks , that a great idea.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Hampuz on December 11, 2013, 12:31:05 AM
Hampuz
Thanks , that a great idea.

Thanks, I would most definetely be glad to donate towards this project!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on December 11, 2013, 01:21:30 AM
that's what we mean by collective design.
 ;D


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: lophie on December 11, 2013, 01:27:10 AM
Do the appropriate approach of designing the crypto that none so far did.

Say 2 nanoseconds a block, say SHAtwofiftyscrypto or all coins are premined!!! I dont care,

BUT RELEASE PDFs ABOUT WHY DID YOU SELECT THESE FEATURES, USE REAL MATH AND REAL STATISTICS FROM LABS AND SIMLATIONS. Open a discussion and see to where it will lead, Then make the crypto and release it.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on December 11, 2013, 04:12:11 AM
history is the mother of truth.
Talking about litecoin and the small inovation
October 09, 2011, 08:02:31 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47417.0
So you didn't get in early enough on bitcoin? what is the point of this? At least some of the other currencies tried to do something different.

Quote
With a little hope, a little prayer, and a lot of hype due to our innovative release,

faster transactions and scrypt is innovative?

lemme hit you with a big ol book called a dictionary:

innovative [ˈɪnəˌveɪtɪv]
adj
 using or showing new methods, ideas, etc.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: gyga800 on December 11, 2013, 04:21:23 AM
Bueno hablare en español ya que son de Latinoamérica, yo soy programador en Java y C++, estoy de lleno con java en Android, podría desarrollar las aplicaciones móviles.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: tropicthunder on December 11, 2013, 04:34:52 AM
count as investor


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Sharky444 on December 11, 2013, 09:06:09 AM
Make something innovative like Primecoin, Datacoin, ProtoShares, eMunie, Nxt, Quarkcoin

Nobody wants another crappy SHA256 or scrypt shitcoin.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: gyga800 on December 11, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
Make something innovative like Primecoin, Datacoin, ProtoShares, eMunie, Nxt, Quarkcoin

Nobody wants another crappy SHA256 or scrypt shitcoin.


+1


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: dowa on December 12, 2013, 05:23:12 AM
I am so impressed with the ideas,that a lot of amazing people is sending us, i just trying to organize all the info. ;D


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: cienki7 on December 12, 2013, 05:42:48 AM
count me in as an investor, looking good!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: jubalix on December 12, 2013, 06:09:19 AM
i can go in


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: shirenlihei on December 13, 2013, 07:56:46 AM
scrypt or keccak?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: wizzardTim on December 13, 2013, 09:50:13 AM
I'm interested too.

If we want to become winners, then we should have good innovation and promotion.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: stink on December 13, 2013, 01:32:32 PM
I am in. I break shit for a living and have some promo skills....
No premines,
24 hr confirmation times are a must.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: bitmerzbow on December 13, 2013, 01:48:38 PM
Unfortunately I don`t see bright future for you project but I wish you luck and try to be up-to-date with your ideas.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: evoked22 on December 13, 2013, 02:10:46 PM
Hi

I am a graphic designer if I can be of any assistance. I would love to contribute to a new coin. I would like to invest as well.

Cheers


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Neotox on December 19, 2013, 05:41:51 PM
I m interested in this if you accept

me & partner have experience in currency and commodity market and knowledge can be used for valuation and stability of new crypto currency that people feel good to invest in.
just in case if you want then let me know via PM.

we are on the way to start something good as a alt coin (good+promising)

thanks for reading post


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: bitbox on December 19, 2013, 06:53:17 PM
The problem is that there is like 100 Litecoin clones. If you want success you would have to modify the algo, so CPU miners have a chance in the first weeks, until a GPU miner comes out.
pure cpu mining is quite vulnerable to vps mining and botnets, im still waiting for the coin that uses gpu power along with cpu, im not a coder or anything so i have no clue if its possible, but it fights the unbalanced big mining rigs, be even more asic resistant (scrypt asics seem to be coming) and should be pretty crappy for vps/botnet mining. Your normally balanced cpu/gpu pcs will be the bulk of the miners and the coin would be well spread for a more stable market (you only cant stop the whale buyers/sellers i guess..)

 +1


Some new algo or a combination of them will be a big benefit to the project. I am not a coder or designer, but can spread a word about the project.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: krpz on December 20, 2013, 10:56:09 AM
Hi dowa,

I am an electronic engineer. I design electronic systems, i know how to develop FPGA systems and ASICs, i can help to develop a crypto-currency strong to these issues.I really like the idea to be part of this group. I am also live in europe so i could promote the new coin here.

Thank you.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: tadakaluri on December 20, 2013, 11:12:01 AM
Count me in as Promoter and SEO


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: JDDev on December 20, 2013, 05:49:09 PM
I'm interested in getting involved. I'd probably be able to help with a wide variety of things.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: MajikPiG on December 20, 2013, 07:55:53 PM
I am interested IF:
1) no premine
2) innovation (new algo or something)


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: jubalix on December 21, 2013, 09:46:37 AM
count me in....i have ideas!


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: markm on December 21, 2013, 10:09:56 AM
So far no proof of stake coins can be merged-mined.

Thus the merged mined family of coins (BTC, NMC, DVC, GRP, IXC, I0C, CLC, XGG) lacks a proof of stake member. It has most other innovations in it, so that one need not split up one's hashing power in order to mine a nice spread of different coins, but not one with proof of stake and not one with transaction memo.

So maybe either make a PPCoin that can be merged mined as a child chain alongside the existing merged mined coins or do that plus also throw in the transaction memo idea. Though really I'd prefer first just a PPCoin that can be merged mined before getting into blockchain bloat ideas like the transaction memo of the data storage that datacoin offers. (Namecoin already stores data anyway, so the big eight family of merged mined coins already includes a data storage coin, and possibly one could even put one's memo into a namecoin transaction so that maybe namecoin might also be able to function as a coin that allows inclouding a memo with a transaction, though I am not sure if one could do that or not, hmm. Maybe it'd be a memo per address rather than per transaction, thus still leaving the merged mined family lacking a coin that has the memo feature.)

It just seems kind of hypocritical to claim to be doing proof of stake to save energy then refuse to let people use recycled hashpower aka merged mining to mine it: PPCoin should have been merged mined from the start if saving energy truly was one of its goals/features...

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: JarvisTechnology on December 21, 2013, 10:13:13 AM

 If you can manage a cpu cooin that is protected agains gpu mining , strictly just cpu , than you have a GREAT chance of success.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: yorich on December 21, 2013, 10:33:36 AM
I'm new to all of this stuff, but if you're looking for someone to beta test things or test mining, count me in :)  I've worked for a few startups, so I'm always interested in getting in on something new.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: Hampuz on December 22, 2013, 09:28:53 AM
Where are we at with this as of right now?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: MsCollec on December 25, 2013, 10:31:51 PM
Where are we at with this as of right now?

I want to know the updates about the project too. Any new information?


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: markm on December 25, 2013, 10:40:27 PM

 If you can manage a cpu cooin that is protected agains gpu mining , strictly just cpu , than you have a GREAT chance of success.

Totally the opposite.

It will be popular with botnets and hobbyists but far too insecure to be trustworthy.

There is no way any one program or algorithm or application or coin is going to get more than half of the world's general purpose computing power securing it.

Anything that doesn't have its own ASIC securing it providing it the security of more than half of the computing power the world has available that is capable of securing-or-attacking it is just a pathetic little toy, which for the mainstream means that it is a scam, a pyramid or ponzi or tulip-mania; allowing let alone encouraging such a thing to process "other people's money" ought to be considered - and even prosecuted as - criminal negligence.

If you aren't going to build ASICs specific to your coin don't let the public become victims of it and if they do manage to become victims of it be prepared to go the way of all the other ponzi and pyramid scams, hopefully doing actual time not merely paying fines that amount to a fraction of your ill-gotten gains.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: OrkneyCoiner on December 25, 2013, 11:50:59 PM
...

I can help with some (simple) design.. used to be a pro.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: lophie on December 26, 2013, 05:53:45 AM

 If you can manage a cpu cooin that is protected agains gpu mining , strictly just cpu , than you have a GREAT chance of success.

Totally the opposite.

It will be popular with botnets and hobbyists but far too insecure to be trustworthy.

There is no way any one program or algorithm or application or coin is going to get more than half of the world's general purpose computing power securing it.

Anything that doesn't have its own ASIC securing it providing it the security of more than half of the computing power the world has available that is capable of securing-or-attacking it is just a pathetic little toy, which for the mainstream means that it is a scam, a pyramid or ponzi or tulip-mania; allowing let alone encouraging such a thing to process "other people's money" ought to be considered - and even prosecuted as - criminal negligence.

If you aren't going to build ASICs specific to your coin don't let the public become victims of it and if they do manage to become victims of it be prepared to go the way of all the other ponzi and pyramid scams, hopefully doing actual time not merely paying fines that amount to a fraction of your ill-gotten gains.

-MarkM-


What about NXT forging paradigm? It is a different approach to mining in a scrypt based crypto? is that a pathetic little boy? As I recall the centralization of currencies die-hards used to say the same about Bitcoin.


Title: Re: New altcoin - Searching for dreamers- Code name: Bernoulli
Post by: markm on December 26, 2013, 06:14:08 AM
Ripple hasn't spawned a flood of rip-of-the-day scamcoins yet so it will be interesting to see whether NXT does once its source code is released.

If it works, then maybe it might even turn out to be more compelling than Ripple as the platform for MBC (http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/plotmbc.html), CDN (http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/plotcdn.html), UKB, UNS, GMC, GRF, NKL etc to move to.

(The coins that, realising that securing a blockchain was insanely expensive to the point that it was simply not practical to even attempt it, moved to Open Transactions until such time as either they could reasonably expect to be able to secure a blockchain or some better platform / technology / format comes along. XRP has all kinds of extraneous stuff they do not need; if NXT is cleanly and simply just a cryptocurrency then maybe cloning NXT might be better than cloning XRP as a means of moving back to a distributed database format/platform. If not oh well it is not as if being only available on Open Transactins has hurt them much if at all, heck maybe it actually helped them. By making them not be vulnerable like blockchains are it maybe saved them from the ghastly ongoing suppressions of exhcange rate that kept bitcoin's value down for so long. Maybe all the alt chains forking and so on undermined confident in blockchains or something, all those irresponsible - criminally negligent maybe really - people putting out chains they had no intention of securing and no chance of securing might have trashed horribly the public's perception of how secure blockchains are maybe? Those coins ought never have been avle to ctch up with bitcoin in value let alone surpass it, that they did seems to maybe indicate that something somehow prevented bitcoin from exploding the way it should have, the way they did...)

-MarkM-