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Had to start a new topic as he deleted my posts in his topic. This is just a reminder to those who might have forgotten or those who are new to bitcoin.

Rpietila is shouting doom and gloom all over the forum, but until the beginning of the year he was predicting a bitcoin valuation of several hundred thousand USD. That was whilst he was in a manic phase, during which his behavior on these forums, as well as in real life caused much sensation and is well documented for those interested in using the search function.

He was subsequently involuntarily hospitalized in a psychiatric facility, diagnosed with Bipolar Affective Disorder, with multiple delusions of grandeur. He now seems to be in a depressive phase of his illness and is spreading doom and gloom on the speculation forums. Either that, or he has sold just before we hit 1000 and is now regretting his mistake.

Either way, tread carefully with him

Most of us who have been in Bitcoin for a few years have been called lunatics.  It seems to me that securities traders are a "type" and a lot of them do have manic depressive episodes.  Does the work attract that type of person or is that type of person better at it than the rest of us?  Who knows?  In either case, its a little unfair and illogical to say someone is wrong because they were sick. 

Wait, it's confirmed that he was hospitalized?

just to throw fuel on this fire, anyone else noticed a the change in language style before/after?

might just be me though  :-\

edit: (I don't mean from cheerful to depressed I mean dialect wise, like a different nationality)

Confirmed multiple times by rpietila himself.

I met some of his staff at the San Jose conference, but he was unable to attend.

yes he was, by his own assertion:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232802

the change in language is quite typical when one switches from a manic phase to a euthymic or depressive phase...

So, what's the story behind him? I read that he took a photo with someone elses Rolls Royce pretending it's his.

Is he actually a whale or is that a lie too?

He's actually a whale.

Well I think its funny.

We need a dozen or so more of him around here. Put them in production.

I'd rather be poor than manic depressive.  Talk about a curse.

Being bipolar is actually closer to being schizophrenic than manic depressive.

Don't care. His SSS plan is tops, and whatever else he might be at least he's not obnoxious enough to get on ignore. Good luck with health etc.

Manic-depressive is an old term for bipolar. It's a mood disorder, and can't be compared to a schizophrenic disorder.

I like Rpietila, god forbid he expresses a different opinion to most others on the forum,
and how dare he express it in a different way to what most other people do  :o

I don't think we need this thread. Leave the guy alone, he's as crazy/sane as any of us are. He believes in bitcoin, so that's good enough for me.

I totally agree - live and let live, and let's leave the personal health issues out?

You can ignore anyone you like here, it is up to you - but a personal attack thread is a bit much.

+1. this isn't a high school clique - ignore who you want privately.

by the way, attacking someone is the best way to give them more power over you.

Let's say even he is actually creating panic, so what? At least he's putting real efforts to create the oppurtunity he's after.
In return if you are feeling threatened by him you go ahead and start with a bull thread with some charts, statistics and predictions, lol, what's the big deal.

I'm bi-polar, I hope he's ok. I'm all for warnings about blatant manipulation, but shouting about people's mental health isn't nice.

Yeah his reasoning with 'data' was pretty off and biased.

https://i.imgur.com/JiYOga7.jpg

perhaps y'all just jealous cuz you're not as rich & cool as rpietila

Risto has made many thought-provoking contributions to bitcoin, including his SSS divestment plan, his real-bills concept, and the interesting super-node idea.  I always look forward to reading his posts and following his threads.  

Risto is walking the steep mountain ridge of genius: below to his left lay the mundane valleys of conformist-sanity, and a few strides to his right--the cliffs of insanity.  From his elevation I think he can sometimes see things that were blocked from my view.  I appreciate the opportunity to listen to his argument and then debate politely on the wide range of topics he is able to discuss.  

Totally unnecessary thread. Ad hominem.

Or maybe knit carefully? I didn't know rpietila was a member of a knitting club.

Seen him in person, didn't get any strange vibes or anything.

He's the guy who convinced me to buy Bitcoins when I was sitting on the fence about it. I say give the guy some credit for being one of the most brilliant promoters in the Bitcoin community.

But I don't think he's mentally ill just because you say so and regardless of what you think, he has done well for himself. It might be a good time to cash out for him and enjoy his profit.

+1

Looks like someone is freaking out that Risto might talk the price down.

Yes this.  Hopefully he can just ignore this thread!

That said, I have often thought that there is a fine line between genius and insanity.  I suppose it has to be that way.  Being a brilliant mind in a world of people that do not "get it" has to be one of the most frustrating places to be.

Many of the people on this board are geniuses.  I am fortunate enough to be mostly normal. ;)  I have my moments of depression and have a brother that is schizophrenic so I understand the battles that can take place in our minds for sure but although I am "above average" I am not at the place most are on here.

I will just pray for Rpietila to have peace of mind so he continue on in his endeavors.  I for one value his deep and analytical input and all that he has contributed to the Bitcoin society.   

It takes a lot of talent to talk up the price and then talk it down. He's a genius at it or he genuinely believes what he is saying. I think he genuinely believes what he is saying.

I think there was also an issue with him scamming people for some sort of Bitcoin Summit.  It was in the Netherlands or something and supposedly was going to be the most luxurious trip with like all sorts of amenities (I remember he was particularly proud of his filtered water).

lol, he never scammed anyone, there was a bitcoin summit in finland, trailer: http://vimeo.com/79972491 (password: bitcoin), anyways he got into some arguments with the hotel and after that he ended up being hospitalized. And the staff there asked him if it was okay that he was involuntary hospitalized.  :D

Is a nice feeling when people immortalize someone else, there is no reason to fear anyone or the bitcoin.  The market will do as it wishes and as those with big balances wishes.  Those who have the means don't need to use the forum to make things happen.  I see lots of people claiming to be open minded only to get offended if something is said that does not suit their wishes.  Oh well, happy times.

for those new to bitcoin and have time to spare during this quiet time, go to rpietila's profile and read his posts from pages 50 down to 40...

My original post was meant as a warning for newbies to be careful about whose advice they follow. I work with people with severe mental health problems for a living, so I know first hand the suffering they and their loved ones go through. I therefore appreciate quite significantly that it is unjust to analyse someone based solely on their mental health, in the process exposing them in public.

However I also believe that highlighting someone's mental health issues becomes important when they put themselves or are deemed to be in a position of power/influence.

I'm glad to see all the appreciative comments about Risto because he deserves them!

He's the most interesting and intelligent person on the forum!

I find that hard to believe.  You are on a forum where people are convinced that the New World Order invented Bitcoin, where people rave about the Fed being a Jewish conspiracy and with people who are convinced lizard people from space run the world.  And you worry about Rpietila?  Seriously, admit you made a scummy thread and stop posting.

I agree.

Also agreed. This thread was made in poor taste.

break yo stigma

Personal attack threads...  funny with all the utopian mouth fulls that gets passed but then can't stand to have an opinion differ .. much hypocrisy.. keep up the good work Rpietila, logical extrapolations and conjecture are forbidden especially in a speculation forum.  Come on now kids.

I don't post in this section as I don't feel I know enough to contribute fully.

However it was reading Risto's threads that first got me hooked on Bitcoin.

He treads a fine line between lunatic and genius as do most people I respect. Its a noble thing to formulate bold ideas and disseminate them whilst clearly not giving a shit about the way in which you are perceived by your peers.

He's got a big ego and can come across as a dick but will always get two thumbs up from me.

Rpietila is a good guy.

I don't post much here and whether or not he does have a medical condition, I still respect him. I admire the data that he posts and the wealth of information he provides for the rest of the community.
Thank you Rpietila.

If it wasn't for his data (other's data as well) I would not have bought in at $60. I am still holding long thanks to Rpietila and other people's data. The people who call doom for bitcoin or say it is going to fail never provide any data, charts, graphs, or statistics.

TLDR/Cliffs:

Rpietila's data made me purchase Bitcoins at $60 and I still hold them. Thanks to him and without disclosing how many BTC I have, I can say that he has made me more than 20 x my investment.

I agree, I don't post often but I've found rpietila's data and insight very useful. Doesn't mean I agree 100% with everything he says, but he certainly makes a very welcomed contribution.

Bringing up peoples' personal health issues is a very distasteful thing to do.

Please stop referring to this as a "health" problem. The way a person thinks and behaves are never treated effectively using medicine. Medicine tends to act as a way of subduing the symptoms of these manic people, it doesn't "cure" anything. You cannot medicate yourself into behavioural health any more effectively than you can think your way to physical health.

No-one should be encouraging, in whatever small way, a course of action that will remove rpietila's individuality of thought. He needs to use his faculties to manage his behaviour and self-reflect constructively, not take a route that destroys the type of thinking that makes him unique.

A very good point, and important to remember for all of us. Nobody who is into bitcoin at this early stage is entirely "normal" by muggle standards. And those who understand it better than most, even less so.

LOL, he said "work" and "securities traders" in the same paragraph. ::)

Then say that instead of singling out one person.  He is far from the worst here, and having two entire threads devoted to him can't be helping his condition.

Fucktard.

If it's not work and there is obviously high reward, why don't you go do it?

New people should be aware that this forum is full of sharks. There have been more scammers here than I have ever seen in any internet community. Tread carefully and don't trust anybody.

I rejoice every time a scammer runs off with suckers money. Why?
Being scammed into bankruptcy is every Bitcoiners true destiny.

I think hes one of the best posters on this forum, Judging from the majority of posters, I think Rpietila may be one of the sanest people here but most are just too crazy to see. With the amount of people screaming at him in every thread he posts in it really doesn't seem necessary to make a  thread just to highlight his personal/medical problems. If you want to discredit him you're only bet is to wait for the BTC price to continue rising and then you can point out that he was wrong about the crash, but i think there's a very good chance that his predictions are spot on and he will end up being the one laughing at everyone for making fun of him.

For the same reason I don't go into thieving as a profession (and I mean what's recognized as thieving by the mainstream, because moving bits of paper left and right and getting rich from it is currently an unrecognized form of thievery, just like being a company owner and taking for yourself 100% of the profits created by your employees' work while paying them only a fixed income that's considered a cost).

Certain systems allow privledged individuals to steal via markets and currency creation mechanisms.

This does not mean trading is inherently stealing.  Without government sanctioned advantages (such as in the Bitcoin market), the only way to profit from trading is by moving assets from where they are available to where they are scarce.  If that is stealing, so is the import/export business.  And to accomplish that reliably requires a lot of work.

I can't believe this is a topic.
A general warning is great, i.e do you own research.

But this needs deleting or major editing.

I much prefer so called 'mad' people. These days having a strong personality or opinions is considered a disorder. Innovation is a disorder imho.

Well of course it is! If you weren't changing the way things were ordered previously, what innovation did you really produce! And of course, the disordering has to begin in the mind of the innovator, that's inseparable from having a novel idea.

I think what you meant was "Fantastic post" before going on to ask me do I have a podcast or email newsletter to which you could subscribe. :D

Out of curiosity, do have a podcast or email newsletter to which one could subscribe?

Fantastic post btw.  OP must be ashamed of being such a shallow twit if he read it.

:P

Do you have an example of his "doom and gloom"?

As far as I can tell, he's a top notch guy and the person on this board Bitchick and I would most want to meet IRL.

Yeah,

Leave the guy alone. I man if he's kill them all reading this thread kill them all he's going to be pretty upset that people are kill them all saying stuff like this.

Sheesh, what a horrible topic. And utter bullshit.

Someone close to me is bipolar so can say with certainty that when someone is in a "depressive" state, they're very unlikely to be on a discussion forum posting doom and gloom (or anything). Far more likely they'll be curled up under a table not communicating with anyone.

It's not the only way. Thieves have been very inventive throughout history. Today they have things like "derivatives" and high-frequency trading that have nothing whatsoever to do with moving assets to where they're scarce and everything to do with accumulating undeserved money (while also creating economic instability, but who cares, right?).

:D Hoping to launch it with rp as the first guest.

(Would genuinely love to interview him)

Mental illnesses are only patterns of behavior.  There are no true illnesses of the mind in this case.  Everybody is bipolar to some extent, everybody has an ego and soul and everybody has negative and positive emotions.

I hope Rpietila and anyone here never has to go through the hell of psychiatric 'therapy.'  The whole thing is a joke.  The drugs they give you are highly neuro-toxic, some shrink your brain, and furthermore they have the ability to force them into you, legally, and keep you captive there till you agree to take them, legally.  All while profiting off your captivity and consumption of drugs.  Psych wards are one of the scariest things on this earth, they're nazi mind control facilities that keep in line the spiritually gifted and the struggling Joe.

If you need medicine, consume some cannabis, drink some water, relax.  If you want to master control of your mind, eat some shrooms a couple times with someone who's experienced.

Trust me, I was sent to a psych ward on the doctors conclusion that anarchy is illogical.

Where's the warning thread for AnonyMint?

 :D Right!?  I can't understand half the things AnonyMint writes about so I just skip his posts at this point.  Perhaps he is just too "deep" for me???

I love all of Rpietila's posts though.  Really thought provoking and mostly accurate to this point. 

As it is rightly said -

Great minds discuss ideas;
 average minds discuss events;
 small minds discuss people.
 :)

I do.

 :o

Someone delete this whole s*#t ! please

I guess in the Alt-Off Topic.

I entertain the idea AnonyMint is a sockpuppet of rpietila. :D