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Title: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 09, 2013, 08:42:21 AM
I know it doesn't seem like it but a single email can make a big difference if an idea is presented with eloquence

I propose we band together to form a loose knit organization based here in this thread and what we will do is send emails to different companies to ask them to start accepting bitcoin. If we can get to be 100-1000 strong then we can really start changing things.

Just like when moms come together about things and write letters but we aren't asking anyone to drop a product, we are asking them to start earning more money. And if people on Bitcointalk won't do this... Who will?

First suggestions:

service@cs.frys.com
online.communities@bestbuy.com
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/DisplayHomePage
http://www.microcenter.com/site/customer-support/customer_support_contact_form.aspx
http://help.newegg.com/app/ask/session/L3RpbWUvMTM4NjU3NjcwMS9zaWQvRVBrZ1ltSGw%3D
https://s01.esupport.sony.com/US/p/contact-email.pl?template_id=1


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: eikebit on December 09, 2013, 12:42:46 PM
Great idea.

I think companies will only accept Bitcoin if their payment gateways give them the tools (or the software and sometimes hardware) to do so.

So you would be quicker to target the companies that make the tools. Check out Shopify: http://www.shopify.co.uk/blog/10446157-shopify-merchants-can-now-accept-bitcoin#axzz2myrHqukh
There are 10's of thousands of retailers on Shopify. They can now accept Bitcoin. Targeting one company rather than a thousand can be much more effective.

Maybe we could find a list of Payment Gateways and eCommerce software companies?


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: zimmah on December 09, 2013, 02:37:20 PM
I agree, we could do this if we have enough people.

It would really help the bitcoin community grow.

If the big companies do not accept it right away, we  old try to contact companies that are big on national level (in a relatively small country) but not so big on international or intercontinental level. Such as a big supermarket chain in Germany or Japan or some other country.

If we have at least 1 native German speaker for example, he can write a letter in German about bitcoin, and we can just all send that letter to the company, it doesn't really matter if we don't speak German as long as we can trust the native speaker makes a good pitch in his home language.



Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 09, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
Great idea.

I think companies will only accept Bitcoin if their payment gateways give them the tools (or the software and sometimes hardware) to do so.

So you would be quicker to target the companies that make the tools. Check out Shopify: http://www.shopify.co.uk/blog/10446157-shopify-merchants-can-now-accept-bitcoin#axzz2myrHqukh
There are 10's of thousands of retailers on Shopify. They can now accept Bitcoin. Targeting one company rather than a thousand can be much more effective.

Maybe we could find a list of Payment Gateways and eCommerce software companies?

Just keep sharing links everyone share links and everyone use the links that are shared


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 09, 2013, 10:21:34 PM
Go here and put "Payment Issue" then "Other Payment Issue"
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/contact-us/general-questions.html?ie=UTF8&skip=true

If enough people say "WHY CAN'T I SPEND MY COINS!" Amazon will start to think... "Well... Why can't they?"


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 09, 2013, 10:29:52 PM
I agree, we could do this if we have enough people.

It would really help the bitcoin community grow.

If the big companies do not accept it right away, we  old try to contact companies that are big on national level (in a relatively small country) but not so big on international or intercontinental level. Such as a big supermarket chain in Germany or Japan or some other country.

If we have at least 1 native German speaker for example, he can write a letter in German about bitcoin, and we can just all send that letter to the company, it doesn't really matter if we don't speak German as long as we can trust the native speaker makes a good pitch in his home language.



Oooo yes that's good

Companies that are looking to break into the international market possibly

Here are some B2B companies that do international trade and might be ready for it after hearing China's news but seeing the coin stay strong
http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=otherpages_contactus
http://resources.alibaba.com/forums.htm (forum style, so, if we start enough forums they will take notice)


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: caminilegroup on December 09, 2013, 10:30:11 PM
For bitcoin to be profitable in a ecommerce world it needs to be at a constant exchange rate.

Say amazon sell a laptop for 250.

Your send them 0.2828 BTC. Now 1 hour later BTC price drops $100, now amazon is losing money because they will only get 150 for that 0.2828 BTC. The same can go the other way, price rises and they make a bigger profit.



Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 09, 2013, 10:38:16 PM
For bitcoin to be profitable in a ecommerce world it needs to be at a constant exchange rate.

Say amazon sell a laptop for 250.

Your send them 0.2828 BTC. Now 1 hour later BTC price drops $100, now amazon is losing money because they will only get 150 for that 0.2828 BTC. The same can go the other way, price rises and they make a bigger profit.



If we are going to limit ourselves by thinking that the board members of these companies aren't as progressive and entrepreneurial as us... Then why aren't we starting a Bitazon? and BitBay?

Let's get it done if we are that much better than them at perceiving market gains why aren't we capitalist giants yet? I'd say we start with emailing these people so that they can have more perspective on what is going on. I am sure they are better at this than we are so let's pull them in.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: GigaCoin on December 09, 2013, 10:43:12 PM
For bitcoin to be profitable in a ecommerce world it needs to be at a constant exchange rate.

Say amazon sell a laptop for 250.

Your send them 0.2828 BTC. Now 1 hour later BTC price drops $100, now amazon is losing money because they will only get 150 for that 0.2828 BTC. The same can go the other way, price rises and they make a bigger profit.



isn't there a payment processor than instantly liquidates a coin for a merchant to USD to prevent this scenario ? bit pay takes care of that i believe.



Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: GigaCoin on December 09, 2013, 10:45:15 PM
I know it doesn't seem like it but a single email can make a big difference if an idea is presented with eloquence

I propose we band together to form a loose knit organization based here in this thread and what we will do is send emails to different companies to ask them to start accepting bitcoin. If we can get to be 100-1000 strong then we can really start changing things.

Just like when moms come together about things and write letters but we aren't asking anyone to drop a product, we are asking them to start earning more money. And if people on Bitcointalk won't do this... Who will?

First suggestions:

service@cs.frys.com
online.communities@bestbuy.com
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/DisplayHomePage
http://www.microcenter.com/site/customer-support/customer_support_contact_form.aspx
http://help.newegg.com/app/ask/session/L3RpbWUvMTM4NjU3NjcwMS9zaWQvRVBrZ1ltSGw%3D
https://s01.esupport.sony.com/US/p/contact-email.pl?template_id=1

i'm actually up for this, but first we need at least 100-200 strong team for them to notice.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: caminilegroup on December 09, 2013, 10:46:05 PM
For bitcoin to be profitable in a ecommerce world it needs to be at a constant exchange rate.

Say amazon sell a laptop for 250.

Your send them 0.2828 BTC. Now 1 hour later BTC price drops $100, now amazon is losing money because they will only get 150 for that 0.2828 BTC. The same can go the other way, price rises and they make a bigger profit.



isn't there a payment processor than instantly liquidates a coin for a merchant to USD to prevent this scenario ? bit pay takes care of that i believe.



Coinbase does it too, you can autosell every evening. But it doesn't take into account the fluctuation throughout the day.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 01:07:28 AM
I know it doesn't seem like it but a single email can make a big difference if an idea is presented with eloquence

I propose we band together to form a loose knit organization based here in this thread and what we will do is send emails to different companies to ask them to start accepting bitcoin. If we can get to be 100-1000 strong then we can really start changing things.

Just like when moms come together about things and write letters but we aren't asking anyone to drop a product, we are asking them to start earning more money. And if people on Bitcointalk won't do this... Who will?

First suggestions:

service@cs.frys.com
online.communities@bestbuy.com
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/DisplayHomePage
http://www.microcenter.com/site/customer-support/customer_support_contact_form.aspx
http://help.newegg.com/app/ask/session/L3RpbWUvMTM4NjU3NjcwMS9zaWQvRVBrZ1ltSGw%3D
https://s01.esupport.sony.com/US/p/contact-email.pl?template_id=1

i'm actually up for this, but first we need at least 100-200 strong team for them to notice.

Agreed, it will take tons of emails for them to actually care But one vote can make a difference and more so when you get to add a personal message


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 05:06:14 PM
Here is the Comedy Central programming contact. If we go through and pick "Tosh.0" and say "Why can't I buy Tosh shirts with Bitcoins?!?!" and "Why can't I but a Daily Show Beer Koozie with my coin!!!" eventually they would start accepting them.

Then say the Tosh.0 store started accepting coins he would say on TV "Go buy things at our online shop which in now accepting Bitcoin" at the end of an episode.

http://www.comedycentral.com/help/programming-feedback

Just BTW "@Midnight" is a techy show on CC that still has not mentioned Bitcoins. It comes back on the air Jan 6th.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 05:23:58 PM
Family dollar they already make money where they should be loosing money If anyone can make Bitcoin work for a real store they can
http://corporate.familydollar.com/pages/contactus.aspx

Walmart, and we could suggest that they give all extra earnings to employees They need a PR stunt like this now.
https://corporate.walmart.com/contact-us/store-corporate-feedback

1-800-Contacts is already an online shop I'm sure they hear about coins all the time in articles
http://www.1800contacts.com/contactus

Apple, I know it's not likely but if they started accepting BTC it would change everything
https://getsupport.apple.com/Issues.action


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: allthingsluxury on December 10, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
Good idea.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 05:44:23 PM
Good idea.

Thanks :)

@Everyone also remember some companies have never heard of Bitpay but if they see it enough times they may finally click the link So send them bitpay links and short descriptions.

And remember to print screen replies to this thread so we can discuss


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Sammey on December 10, 2013, 05:50:15 PM
Great idea! I know English writers will be fairly easy to get. But I'm up for the job.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 06:21:40 PM
Great idea! I know English writers will be fairly easy to get. But I'm up for the job.

We need as many people that can speak English as possible I know other languages matter but if we want to get media outlets to mention the companies we get then we should focus on the western world at first Not completely just mostly at first


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 06:25:24 PM
If anyone knows any companies please add the links


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: newtothescene on December 10, 2013, 06:30:11 PM
I emailed a few of these asking politely for them to add Bitcoin as a payment method. 


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: bitcoinpsftp on December 10, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
HAhaha, I feel like this thread is going to turn this forum into a bot of spammers.  I don't think this is the best way to approach it.  Mass spamming different companies.  How about making emails with more substance, like offering bitcoins for their service, actually asking to buy sommething, instead of just suggesting?


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 06:32:14 PM
I emailed a few of these asking politely for them to add Bitcoin as a payment method. 

Let us know if you get any replies :)


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 06:33:31 PM
HAhaha, I feel like this thread is going to turn this forum into a bot of spammers.  I don't think this is the best way to approach it.  Mass spamming different companies.  How about making emails with more substance, like offering bitcoins for their service, actually asking to buy sommething, instead of just suggesting?

Sounds like you didn't read the first post I already stated that arguments should be presented with eloquence The forum will only become spammers if they follow your lead in not reading before joining in


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: newtothescene on December 10, 2013, 06:33:53 PM
Many companies have these suggestion areas for customers to vent and nothing ever changes.  Some companies take these very serious and only a few similar requests are needed to get them to give real weight to the request...  Assuming we all just write a short and sweet request in our own words to these companies, I don't see any harm or bot like reception.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
Many companies have these suggestion areas for customers to vent and nothing ever changes.  Some companies take these very serious and only a few similar requests are needed to get them to give real weight to the request...  Assuming we all just write a short and sweet request in our own words to these companies, I don't see any harm or bot like reception.

Exactly it's not like I said "Copy and paste this message and email to this email address"


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
American Airlines hasn't even considered it I'm sure
http://www.aa.com/contactAA/viewEmailFormAccess.do?eventName=customerRelations

Skymall likes tech even if they don't accept them they may write an article
http://www.skymall.com/contact

This is the store in the mall with the massage chairs that was first to sell Roombas
media@brookstone.com


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: schnib12 on December 10, 2013, 07:54:34 PM
Automobile industry :

http://www.bmw.com
http://www.mercedes-benz.com
http://www.porsche.com
http://www.toyota-global.com
http://www.volkswagen.com
http://www.gm.com
http://www.gofurther.com

...

http://nathanleclaire.com/blog/2013/11/23/how-i-automated-finding-almost-anyones-email-address/

Exxon Mobil Rex W. Tillerson CEO rex.tillerson@exxonmobil.com
Lockheed Martin Corporation Christopher E. Kubasik President and Chief Operating Officer christopher.kubasik@lmco.com

i have a lot of emails like this which i don't want to post in public, the list is from 2011 and they might not all be up to date but we can give it a try.
if someone can tell me what we can write to the companies i can do that with help of some others. 2500 biggest companys.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 08:00:22 PM
Automobile industry :

http://www.bmw.com
http://www.mercedes-benz.com
http://www.porsche.com
http://www.toyota-global.com
http://www.volkswagen.com
http://www.gm.com
http://www.gofurther.com

...

Coca-Cola E. Neville Isdell CEO nisdell@na.ko.com 404-676-2121 http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com USA

i have a lot of emails like this which i don't want to post in public.
if someone can tell me what we can write to the biggest company i can do that with help of some others. 2500 biggest companys.


I would like to have them I am sending out emails about this now if you want to PM me

Just tell them that you were trying to or would like to purchase something from them and that it would make it easier if they had a bitcoin payment option then tell them about bitpay or some other service that can help them


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 10, 2013, 08:03:49 PM
Also how does everyone feel about maybe sending emails to these companies telling them how they can make their own altcoins?


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 11, 2013, 06:11:01 AM
http://oi43.tinypic.com/xnelom.jpg
Please put feed back so they will do something
http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 11, 2013, 06:16:11 AM
this is how a company says "Not enough of our customers care about bitcoin
http://oi40.tinypic.com/153n1xd.jpg


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 11, 2013, 07:12:34 PM
Please email brookestone they will start accepting bitcoins if we ask!!!!!!!!!

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2dmi80o.jpg


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 12, 2013, 07:26:54 PM
If you would like to start using bitcoins at the gas station please ask these people when it will happen:
 bppress@bp.com
 uspress@bp.com
http://www.chevron.com/contact/emailchevron/
ShellCustomerCare@shell.com


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 12, 2013, 11:42:18 PM
You may need to explain to them that they can use a payment processor like BitPay to remove any concern about the exchange rate and receiving payment in fiat. This is a good idea. I'll help.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 13, 2013, 12:22:16 AM
You may need to explain to them that they can use a payment processor like BitPay to remove any concern about the exchange rate and receiving payment in fiat. This is a good idea. I'll help.

I have been thank you for the support


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: kireinaha on December 13, 2013, 12:24:13 AM
Companies aren't a democracy. They have employees and departments tasked with their accounting and payment systems, and I'm sure they're all aware of bitcoin.

The good news for all of you is, if it's feasible and profitable for them to implement, they're going to do it (because companies just happen to have a goal of making money).

But as it stands currently, many of them don't want to due to the volatility, relatively low user base, and legal/customer service issues that are bound to occur (just imagine how many trouble tickets would be opened on a daily basis by users who tried to pay with bitcoin and accidentally sent the wrong amount, or sent to a wrong address and want their account credited, etc.)

Don't waste your time with stupid spam e-mails and petitions. If it's going to happen, then it will happen regardless.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: zimmah on December 13, 2013, 01:01:33 AM
Companies aren't a democracy, but they are a business, and no business can operate without customers.

So, if enough customers ask for bitcoin, it's likely they will accept bitcoin.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 13, 2013, 02:22:03 AM
Companies aren't a democracy. They have employees and departments tasked with their accounting and payment systems, and I'm sure they're all aware of bitcoin.

The good news for all of you is, if it's feasible and profitable for them to implement, they're going to do it (because companies just happen to have a goal of making money).

But as it stands currently, many of them don't want to due to the volatility, relatively low user base, and legal/customer service issues that are bound to occur (just imagine how many trouble tickets would be opened on a daily basis by users who tried to pay with bitcoin and accidentally sent the wrong amount, or sent to a wrong address and want their account credited, etc.)

Don't waste your time with stupid spam e-mails and petitions. If it's going to happen, then it will happen regardless.

But most companies are providing a service and if bitcoiners want their service they need to hear about it


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 15, 2013, 03:53:19 PM
I still haven't gotten many replies but I am sure that I will get more soon


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: countryfree on December 15, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
Nice idea, many have thought of it already, but it has to come from potential customers if we want companies to react. Emails shall say plainly that the persons writing want to buy right away to avoid being mistaken for spammers.

So I guess that target companies shall be very carefully selected, and that you shall begin by finding a product or service that many here want to order.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 15, 2013, 08:50:17 PM
Nice idea, many have thought of it already, but it has to come from potential customers if we want companies to react. Emails shall say plainly that the persons writing want to buy right away to avoid being mistaken for spammers.

So I guess that target companies shall be very carefully selected, and that you shall begin by finding a product or service that many here want to order.

I mainly got the emails for computer, tech and gas companies since all of us use those things


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: newtothescene on December 16, 2013, 03:06:43 PM
Just an update - most of the companies I wrote to haven't responded.  The few that did have a canned response along the lines of "thanks for writing us, your input is important, we will respond sometime in the next decade if this is urgent" or something similar.

Obviously I wasn't expected them to immediately write back a personal note explaining that they expect to have a system setup this week for accepting crypto currency, but I did want to reply back to the thread with an update. 

To some degree this is like a squeeky wheel - the more people inquire, the higher on their list it will be to address. 


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 16, 2013, 05:16:56 PM
Just an update - most of the companies I wrote to haven't responded.  The few that did have a canned response along the lines of "thanks for writing us, your input is important, we will respond sometime in the next decade if this is urgent" or something similar.

Obviously I wasn't expected them to immediately write back a personal note explaining that they expect to have a system setup this week for accepting crypto currency, but I did want to reply back to the thread with an update. 

To some degree this is like a squeeky wheel - the more people inquire, the higher on their list it will be to address. 

Yeah I haven't been getting very many quick replies What I have posted here is what I have gotten still waiting on most companies

The gas companies just said that gas stations are independently owned and that it is up to the owner So I suggest teaching local gas station clerks about bitpay whenever you are there and maybe putting bitcoin stickers on pumps so that other people think that the gas station already accepts it and go in ready to use them After like 4 incidents like that the station will just start accepting them


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 16, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
As kind of a joke I wrote emails to some big software developers (Microsoft, Apple, Adobe). They probably won't respond but it was fun asking for support for an open source project. lol


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: fitbobcat on December 16, 2013, 06:15:56 PM
Anyone remember the name of that site that lists all the emails for acceptign bitcoin


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: QuestionAuthority on December 16, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
How about using something like this: http://download.cnet.com/Bigg-Mass-Mailer/3000-2369_4-75925862.html?tag=mncol;5

All we need is relevant address lists.


Title: Re: E-Mails for the future of Bitcoin
Post by: Bitcoin-hotep on December 16, 2013, 06:28:32 PM
We should all start joining social media sites and sending out PMs about bitpay and bitcoin atms