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Hello,

The Active Mining thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.5600 has become useless. All that is posted is Cumbs, VE, and LabKen(VE) talking amongst themselves with no discussion on the actual topic. It become so bad that getting information from the thread is not possible. The only way to get information is by following Ken's posts in the Announcement Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297543.msg3445996#msg3445996.

Since that is the only way we can get useful information I would like to make a motion that the Active Mining thread be deleted.

• It would allow Ken to not read bullshit everyday
• The mods would not have to waste their time daily deleting posts in the thread, which does nothing to actually keep it clean Cumbs and VE don't care and will keep posting until banned.
• The Active Mining thread gives Active Mining a poor reputation since its just a bunch of little school girls wining all day long. This likely impacts our sales and potential future profitability.
• We can get regular updates in the announcements thread.

Delete EVERYTHING!!! :D
Have a YES, OP

Edit:  I think deleting the thread will be a win for all of us.  As long as i don't have to see or hear about this failure, you are all free to do as you like :)

Or you could utilize the ignore function

I do, it looks like:

https://i.imgur.com/c0X3eaB.png

no, because once that's gone, so is the idea that i'll ever see my shares of this skeleton company again.

Why do you think we have such choice?

I'm not really sure what you mean by that, Ken is actively working on the project and there is an announcements thread where all the useful information is. Does Bitcointalk going down also mean you will never see your shares again? I think by your logic that is a true  statement.

Whats the context of this statement, was it a response to faizaa123 or to my original poll post? Thanks for clarifying.

Sorry, to OP.

Thanks


To answer:

The moderators on the forum have the power to delete the thread, but I am sure they will not exercise it unless absolutely necessary. By creating a poll and getting peoples opinions about the ActM thread out in the open I hope to convince a moderator or Ken that the ActM thread is useless and is a waste of time for anyone to attempt to maintain and thus the entire thread should be deleted or at the very least locked so we can keep the pertinent information if someone chooses to search through it.

You might find this funny. But recently Ken actually Locked the thread and shut it down for a good 30minutes or so after he and VE got in a fight. He then unlocked it, closing the thread is not a smart idea. We will then see dozen of posts about "What happened to AcTM??? Why is the thread locked? Omg Ken scammed us?!?!?!?!?!"

Keep it open, use the ignore button and stop complaining because you have to scroll through a few pages when you have big money tied up into shit. People need to stop being lazy. "Omg but Crumbs won't stop posting!! I feel like I'm gonna die!" So many god damn cry babies on this forum man.

There are other communities where we have the power to more effectively silence public squabbles.

Check out #activemining on chat.freenode.net on IRC or http://www.reddit.com/r/activemining on reddit.

We see those posts daily in the thread repeated over and over again. Are you going to pay the mods to keep it open? Someone has to prune the thread and quite frankly its a waste of their time and Ken's whenever they have to perform that task. (Time == Money) I have most of the people on ignore, it would be nice though to refresh the thread and not see "user is ignored" for an entire page of just Crumbs, VE, and LabKen talking to themselves. How is that helpful to anyone? Its not laziness its just annoying to have school kids whine and investor questions overlooked amidst all the personal battles being fought in the ActM thread.

The thread should stay unless Ken decides it should go.  IMO a new one should be made that's easier to read through, but the old should be preserved for the record.  Things are looking good for ActiveMining come end of first quarter 2014...trading will also resume with many of the other stocks and we will finally see the public deployment of Colored Coins, which IMO, will spur exponential growth in most viable BTC stocks.

I'm just holdin' onto my trousers, cause 'dis gun b gud!

>Active Miners want to delete a crappy thread.
>Start another crappy thread to do it.

D00ds, this thread sux.  Could you start another thread about deleting this one?

Crumbs had an informal warning yesterday as well, so I would think he will be on his best behavior for now on.

Although it would be fun to see him have a temp ban. 

didn't know these exist.
thank you for that!

What business do mods have in a self-moderated thread. If the mods can just delete whatever they feel like from a self-moderated thread, then what's the fucking of having the option to create a self-moderated thread is the first place.

Mods are getting involved because posts keep getting reported. It doesn't matter if it's self-moderated or not.

I would agree with JoTheKhan that if we were to delete the thread, it could cause panic to the less-informed shareholders who start posting "OMG We're being scammed" threads. That would just open the door for MORE crap, IMO. In terms of image, this wouldn't help us anymore than just leaving the thread alone.

I like this post.

I would absolutely support the locking or archiving of the thread as it is entirely useless (for business purposes, for comedic value it's a gold mine but comedy should probably not be focus of a securities thread). If for whatever reason Ken chooses not to lock/archive the thread, changing the name from 'Official' to something more accurate would be prudent.

It's a discussion thread, not an announcement thread.

ActiveScamming is entirely useless for business/investment/mining purposes.

For comedic value, it's a gold mine.

So the thread is a very accurate representation of the security.   :D

I like your other suggestion making it not Official, having it official means it represents Active Mining which it does so in a very poor way. Since we know Ken cannot manage the thread and the appointed moderator cannot either maybe we should just make it the Active Mining Thread and let it go unmoderated. Its not worth the moderators time to delete any posts. By the time they delete a post crumbs or VE will already have another one posted. Its like playing a never ending game of wack a mole.

Me too.

Anyway OP, no. Deleting posts and threads is an Usagi (read: failure) tactic used by those who wish to hide, either from others or from themselves, their stupidity. They shouldn't be enabled thusly, and you certainly shouldn't take it upon yourself to do it for them. Records are for preserving and using, not for adulterating into a more palatable history.

If that thread is supposed to be a record then posts should never be deleted in order to preserve the history. Either allow the thread to function as a thread that is self moderated and has a full history or just delete the whole thing. A thread with deleted posts is useless to read for those that do not refresh it 20 times daily because many posts will be missing and does not represent an accurate history.

Crumbs is an amateur, with only the two cheerleaders left in the last ditch to troll.

You should have seen the reaction in August, when I sold all my ACTM shares and strongly advised everyone else to follow my example.

There were a lot more True Believers back then, before it was completely certain than LabKen is scamming, incompetent, or both.

I say there be two threads per security. One being a tightly moderated thread that contains pretty much only announcements and the other being a discussion thread where crumbs and pankake and icebreaker can moan all day.

Going further, these securities should use bitmessege! That way if for whatever reason the forum goes down, we can still get information instantly from ken and other security people. We would even be able to know for sure that it is ken talking compared to someone just hacking bitcointalk (why the shit has nothing been done with the 9k BTC yet!?) and using his account. We should be pushing for decentralization, yet we still use a forum for announcements from the security people.

Actually, I might make a small summer project that automatically copies posts from major security people to bitmessege! Would anyone be interested?

Indeed posts should not be deletable. 'Til this basic notion manages to get a foothold however, you're pretty much stuck quoting that which you respond to.

Self-moderated threads are even more retarded an idea; if I wanted to see public discussion of X's product according to X, I'd read their diary. This is a forum.


Who are you and what qualifies you to identify who is and who is not a "major security person"? See the problem?

The current state of AMC/VMC/AM threads is typical for the progression of a scam.

Just look at the pirate threads, or Patrick Harnett's threads, Nefario's, or tradefortress, BFL, etc, etc.

Essentially everyone can smell the rotting corpses under the pretty facade.  But a core of delusional suckers, unable to accept their losses are hanging around cheer leading, and hoping for anything that might validate their bad choices.  Around this you have an array of folks stopping by for entertainment like at any public disaster.  Then there is the group of folks warning away any naive schmucks who might wander in and become a bagholder.

It all makes for a lot of noise and light.

Is it unpleasant for those aforementioned bag holders?  I'm sure it is.  But the sooner they come around to recognizing their losses and taking honorable actions to mitigate the losses, the better it is for everyone.

Yeah, that works for people who can read and think, though such abilities mean you don't have to rely on there being a banner. Meanwhile bitfinex's self-modded thread for instance continues to spill over with the idiocy of those who lack access to your advanced and occult technologies. Speaking of which,


If you mean those who are essential, then yes. If you mean anyone else, then no. There's a reason this is a cycle rather than an isolated incident.

It's gotten to the point where ACtM can't afford to have an Official thread on bitcointalk.

The mods on here can not be trusted, and I firmly believe that the likes of crumbs and pankkake are paid either by the competition to discredit ACtM or paid by  bitcointalk itself to keep the traffic and post count high and thus make more money from sponsors. Either way it's bad for the investors confidence and really really bad for potential customers who might be put off ordering from a company with such a negative appeal on a public thread and bad for Ken as it just represents way too much time, effort and hassle.

ACtM need to move their Official thread to a site where posters can be banned for Trolling - not have their posts deleted, but banned from posting period. It would be very little work for Ken to mod such a new thread.

Pankkake-

You are offering paid services to Troll on here, you are also blackmailing ACtM by saying you will post FUD unless you are paid daily not to do so.

You are a liar and you are a liar for money.

I'm not advocating censoring information or difficult questions or praise. And Ken has never censored any difficult questions. Infact if you see the original thread he actually restructured the company and re-wrote the IPO because of difficult questions and unhappy investors.

But I do think we can't be associating ourselves with scammers like you for much longer. Ken needs to cut his ties with Bitcointalk. This forum is a joke and can't be trusted to host the Official ACtM thread.

This isn't going to become another talking-shop for the Trolls so, shut up and stop trying to ignite a discussion. You are not welcome on here.

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No, Stuartuk.  You are not welcome here.

The Trolls are getting very excited by this thread.

That's because they have a LOT to loose by ACtM finding another home (a truely moderated one) for the Official discussion thread.

There is no solution on here for ACtM. If the company want to be taken seriously it needs to put Bitcointalk behind it.


And I think NeoBee will be doing the same too soon.

Bitcoinjoke.

Stuartuk:

If there is any hope of Active Mining dragging its rancid carcass to rot in a different forum, please tell us what we can do to help.  The stench and the flies are getting to be a problem, and the neighbors are beginning to complain.

Bump

Oh?

Because I thought the vote was legally binding and the House of Representatives would be sanctioning new legislation in the Spring.



You voted Yes my arse. This forum is money for you and that's the only reason you are here. No ACtM and no Neo Bee makes pankkake a very poor man.

FTFY

You know and I know this site raises revenue from traffic and sponsor payouts.

You also know every site on the internet that generates revenue from traffic employs people to stimulate visits.

That's your job.

That doesn't make me mentally unstable or paranoid. But thanks for the advice you dirty fucking French Troll.

I've never deleted a post of mine on here ever so why are you banging on about deleting posts? You fucking French moron.

What are you talking about reddit for again? Who mentioned reddit?


Me faut retourner à la pute qui m'a accouchée

Delete the whole thread.

Why don't we meet up and you can give me some French lessons, I can meet you at any station serviced by the TGV. Are you interested?

vous avez besoin retourner à la pute qui m'a accouchée

Active Miners decide to delete their official thread because it's too embarrassing.
Start another embarrassing thread to do it.

New thread:  "Should we just delete the Active Mining Thread? And the "Should we just delete the Active Mining Thread?""

I'm sure you get the general idea you piece of merde.

Any Frenchman who speaks English as well as you do is an Americanised wanker. I'm quite sure you have very few friends. What city are you from Troll?

You are a little wannabe American kid. I'm sure there is a derogatory local term for you but I'm not privy to it. I do hope you do well out of the btc world because then you'll no doubt fuck off to London or California and your fellow countrymen would be very glad of that.

Your problem is you mouth off about everything being a 'scam' because it gives you the opportunity to brag about it further down the road and unfortunately you now have a bad reputation for doing that.

You said BFL was a scam.  Fraught with issues, yes, but a scam?  You said Avalon was not a scam.  Fraught with issues, but not a scam?  Then there's Asic Mining.  Are we sure there was nothing scammy about their pricing for block eruptors and other devices when ROI was clearly impossible over holding bitcoin?  I know when there's a fuel shortage and one petrol station charges way over the price for fuel, there's something scammy going on in my town.  

I'd say that you and others of your ilk such as crumbs, pankkake, iCEBREAKER etc., are just too quick to condemn fledgling companies who are trying hard to succeed in a very competitive and quickly evolving market.  Are you guys just butt hurt that someone else got there first or what?

Your issues with Activemining started back when you were convinced Ken was lying about producing his own chip.  eASIC anyone?

Back then you were also very vocal about the shares issues and structure of AMC/VMC and rightly so, but your opinions never came with ideas for improvement, only anger at Ken.  Without your help Ken reached out to the community and together we restructured the company into Activemining.  

So with two of your main reservations about ActM sorted long ago, why do you continue with your vendetta? It's personal isn't it?  You want Ken to fail and are trying to make that happen.  I'm not wrong am I?  If it wasn't Ken but someone you respected who was at the ActM helm, you would be garnering support rather than posting malicious statements such as the one above.

Regardless of how you colour your language, fud is fud and if my farm dung spreader ever runs out, I'll send you a pm.  :D

*Please do not delete the Official ActM thread.  It is a very useful tool in combating the trolls and fudsters and we should have the history preserved.*



Look, it's simply far too late to be calling ActM a scam and be taken seriously.  When I bought my shares at 0.0005, I took a gamble knowing that I could be getting involved in a scam.  That was a risk I was delighted to take because I knew the rewards were unimaginable if it all worked out.  So with chips on the way, first orders shipped, massive pre-order sales taken and the assembly of miners underway, it looks as though I backed the right horse!  ;D

Besides showing that I've been right about this mess for 7 months now, what point were you trying to make?

My point is the Active Mining Thread should not be deleted, however your futile attempts at spreading fud and personal attacks on Ken should, Mr. Bigshot.  Goodbye.


Ouch.

Ouch?   I made out like a bandit on those positions.  Unlike Ken I saw through Yifus BS very early and had no chips or batch3s ordered.

You should have listened then, and you should listen more now.

Keep the thread. I like having references to my 'i told you so' moments. Anyone still buying into that debacle deserves to be reminded over and over again when it comes crashing down. The writing has been on the wall there for 6 months.