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Title: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 12, 2018, 12:55:56 AM
TIPS TO AVOID PYRAMID QUOTES

Hi everyone,

In my opinion, over-quoted threads are amongst the most annoying types of shitshows in the forum. Honestly, I used to compose such over-quoted threads, but over time I saw better threads from higher-ranked members, then I learnt from them and improve my threads' styles.
In the topic, I would like to present these following stuffs:

  • To share with you some necessary tutorials on how to improve your threads' appearance by avoiding over-quoting when composing them.
  • To save more space and help it more comfortable for readers, all images will be shown with links. Therefore, readers should click to those links to see them.

For now, your question will be "oh, what are the problems of over-quoted threads?"

As you can see in the following thread, creator over-quoted past threads, which result in vague of idea flows. Furthermore, doing this also causes their threads a bit messy, annoying. Looking at those threads, it is hard to know which specific thread they wanted to discuss (dozens of threads quoted).
https://i.imgur.com/6uL9h6A.png
Additionally, such over-quoted threads also require large space to display. It means my fingers hurted too much to scroll my computer mouse. And no one is responsible for my medical bills  Grin.

To improve threads' quality, at least its appearances, there are three basic simple steps composers should do:
1) Deleting all un-necessary stuffs (including threads, contents, over-sized images attached, etc.). Only keep which threads (full contents of those threads) you want to discuss with.
2) Using snip to announce that in your thread, you only quote part of original contents of others' threads.
3) Seperating original threads to different smaller sentences/ paraphrases which you want to discuss specific part of its contents with your specific ideas.

So, if you spend time to read, and interested in the topic, your next question might be: Oh, sounds great, but how to do this?
Here you go:
Please look at the following images, then you will know how to do this.
I present three ways of avoiding over-quoted threads for you, which correspond to the three points I mentioned above.

1) The first way:
For the specific thread above, please click on the quote, then deleting all contents in the blue highlighted range (which I show you in the two following images).
From there:
https://i.imgur.com/fMhzPmR.png
To there:
https://i.imgur.com/pi7Iwkg.png
Case study here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3046992.msg32182737#msg32182737

2) The second way: if you would like to hide all contents which are extremely long (but still allocate which thread you want to discuss). Please do like this:
https://i.imgur.com/foveK5R.png
Replace all contents by using ~, snip.
Code:
~
or snip
or < snip >
Case study here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg35410681#msg35410681

3) The third way:
For instance:
https://i.imgur.com/gD8uQxm.png
Additionally, if you only discuss with one thread, you should ignore link to the original thread since the second part of quote, you can do like this (simply using):
Code:
[quote]
contents
[/quote]
to ignore link to the original thread
Case study here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3377342.msg36883745#msg36883745


To sum up:
Composing your threads with the approach will make them have better appearance. It does not relate to the quality, but somehow makes your threads look a little bit better.
It is not only useful in the Meta board (and other serious ones), but also has good impacts in spamming boards (like altcoin discussions, etc.) ^^
I strongly believe that lots of higher-ranked members don't know how to do this because they luckily ranked up to those current high levels due to old rank requirements, before the lauch of merit system.

Sorry if my topic hurts your fingers, but I think that it's better to display those images to make the topic easier to understand.
This is valuable lesson I learnt from my experiences, so I would like to share it with someone who need it, and has still don't known how to do it.
For someone who known, just ignore my topic.
Please take it easy, because I don't want to bother you with my topic.


Helpful User Scripts to remove pyramid quotes:

1. User Script: Automatically remove nested quotes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148327.0) (EcuaMobi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515))


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: elda34b on May 12, 2018, 01:32:11 AM
Personally, I thought that this information should have been known for a lot of users who participated in this forum (or other SMF-based forums). Let's just hope that they won't be lazy again to do your tips.

And IMHO, this should be moved to Beginner and Helps, isn't it?


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: mahimonliner on May 12, 2018, 06:40:10 AM
that simple task of removing unwanted quote helps to give a better look to the thread.
Also no one has to visit doctor for their finger pain, which caused by scrolling.  ;)


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: mahimonliner on May 12, 2018, 06:43:48 AM
It's easy to notice that but sometimes it's time-wasting deleting irrelevant words, so I just click on quote.
so you wants to say posting like this will waste your time?
So you better dont post anything, it would be great for you, no time wasted.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: nc50lc on May 12, 2018, 07:33:19 AM
I will not go against this but, the OP's format is giving me headaches.

Here're some of my points:
  • The images blend well to the text (width=1280 screen), to the point that the whole thing looks like pure text with broken paragraphs.
  • There's an add or signature add in the first image.

To help you with this:
Notes:
The topic has been under-constructions
  • I suggest you to resize the images to mismatch the default size of the forum's font by addding "width=size"
    ex: [img width=800 alt=image]picture.jpg[/img] .
  • Make use of bold, italic and underlines for headers and for emphasis. [hr] for breaklines with actual lines.
  • And crop the image that contains a signature add, I think that one might have broken a forum rule.

Lastly, this must be placed to Beginners and Help if this is really a "tip for newbies".
Otherwise, you can change the title with "Members", "Forum Members" or others; most of those "scroll-wasters" aren't newbies anyways.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Insanerman on May 12, 2018, 03:35:43 PM
It's easy to notice that but sometimes it's time-wasting deleting irrelevant words, so I just click on quote. Btw, I wish there were a "Multi quote" button for easy multi-quoting.
Unnecessary quoting are used for spamming, do you think that other members of the forum are not aware of that "to look like a long post" spamming? Grow up child, contribute to the community, try not to become one of thist shitposters.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: sncc on May 12, 2018, 04:13:28 PM
Forum rule explicitly says that quote pyramid should to be avoided, and I think most people in Meta already know this thing.  OP, you may want to move this thread to Beginners & Help.  Use "move topic" link at the left bottom of this page.

1. Such posts like "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids,useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Jenros on May 12, 2018, 04:18:56 PM
it's so annoying to see and scroll quotes down. Stop overquouting today and save people from this disease. Please.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Talk merit on May 12, 2018, 07:02:17 PM
It's easy to notice that but sometimes it's time-wasting deleting irrelevant words, so I just click on quote. Btw, I wish there were a "Multi quote" button for easy multi-quoting.

So your time is more valuable than all of the other members who have to read your bloated posts.
Well I've got news for you, it isn't, so you just get put on ignore. This means that you could have saved even more time by not psting in the first place.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: LTU_btc on May 13, 2018, 11:04:36 AM
It's a great suggestion,  and not only for newbies, many more experienced members over-quoting posts. In past I also did same thing - I posted huge quotes despite that I only replied to last comment. I thought it's ok because I saw so many experienced members posting huge quotes. And only later I realised how it's annoying and not comfortable to read.
And small tip from me. When you're quoting post with image, delete
Code:
[img][/img
tag and leave only link to image.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 13, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
    Agree!
    I will consider your suggestion and adjust my threads a bit to make it less annoying ^^.
  • I suggest you to resize the images to mismatch the default size of the forum's font by addding "width=size"
    ex: [img width=800 alt=image]picture.jpg[/img] .
  • Make use of bold, italic and underlines for headers and for emphasis. [hr] for breaklines with actual lines.
  • And crop the image that contains a signature add, I think that one might have broken a forum rule.

Lastly, this must be placed to Beginners and Help if this is really a "tip for newbies".
Otherwise, you can change the title with "Members", "Forum Members" or others; most of those "scroll-wasters" aren't newbies anyways.

Nice tip, my friend.
I will do it later (in the next few days when I have time).
Thanks for your helpful suggestion.
And small tip from me. When you're quoting post with image, delete http:// tag and leave only link to image.

I will consider both of your suggestions, and choose the best for my adjustments.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: vlad230 on May 13, 2018, 04:27:14 PM
I agree it is increasingly annoying to see posts that have endless quote hierarchies. I think some people are increasing lazy or simply ignorant when posting. It's a good thing we have the merit system in place right?  ;D

...
And IMHO, this should be moved to Beginner and Helps, isn't it?
Yes, you are spot on! :) Beginners and Help is the right location for this post.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: jemarleon on May 13, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
It's easy to notice that but sometimes it's time-wasting deleting irrelevant words, so I just click on quote. Btw, I wish there were a "Multi quote" button for easy multi-quoting.
If you are lazy here, you can never rank up again.

Being lazy is not a good attitude especially to forum's, by doing that you will be belong to those spammers because there are "trash" to your post.

Its is not hard to select the irrelevant words and just click delete.

Being LAZY wont help you to grow.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: TheGodson on May 14, 2018, 06:35:47 AM
lol, I was clicking your images trying to remove the highlighted text. Took me a second to realize it was just a picture.  :-[

It's easy to notice that but sometimes it's time-wasting deleting irrelevant words, so I just click on quote. Btw, I wish there were a "Multi quote" button for easy multi-quoting.

Perfect timing for me to read this. Someone in another post showed me a quick shortcut to sort of multi quote. It isn't perfect, but it works.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3789204.new#new


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on May 14, 2018, 03:48:45 PM
Hi everyone,

Hi,

I thought about creating a similar article recently and I've merited you. Wouldn't it be better placed on the newbies beginners and help board?


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: krishnaverma on May 14, 2018, 04:38:40 PM
Hi everyone,

Hi,

I thought about creating a similar article recently and I've merited you. Wouldn't it be better placed on the newbies beginners and help board?

Certainly, it will be . It is evident from the fact that no newbie has posted a comment here so far. In fact, I hardly see a newbie making a post in meta (unless we count those on crying about merits).


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 16, 2018, 04:28:20 AM
Highly appreciate your one merit point, Don Pedro Dinero.
I have moved my topic to the Beginners & help board, which is more appropriate place for my topic.
I thought about creating a similar article recently and I've merited you. Wouldn't it be better placed on the newbies beginners and help board?

Thanks for all of your suggestions, everyone.
I will keep editing my topic and make it better. For now, I believe it has become better a little bit than the original one.
Hope it will help as more newbies (of course, higher-ranked lazy members too) as possible.
I believe it can make several effects on the ways newbies quote threads, not only in serious boards, but also in altcoins boards.
This is one of the most effective, easiest way to keep the forum clean of shit-quoted show.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: samarnaaz on May 16, 2018, 01:08:19 PM
Hey guess, how can we avoid over quoting...  i can't do this becs i don't know how to do it i am a newbie i can't take risk..


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 16, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
Hey guess, how can we avoid over quoting...  i can't do this becs i don't know how to do it i am a newbie i can't take risk..
Hey noob,
You simply commented to increase your postcount, didn't you?
The topic is for tutorials on avoiding over-quoting, then you came and commented like this.
Only create new threads when you have something meaningful to write, something helpful to discuss; don't create new threads only to rise your postcounts, please.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 11, 2018, 02:33:45 AM
During my time I spent on other altcoin ANN topics in the forum, which have usually been perfect places for shitposters to show their shits, I have tried and gonna keep trying to give them my recommendations, tutorials on how to avoid pyramid quotes (over-quotes in other words).
Hope that some of them might change their composing approach.
1) My recommendations for shit-posters in Light Pay ANN topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4349090.msg39845344#msg39845344)
2) Other recommendations on how to avoid pyramid quote and how to see original threads via quoted ones (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4349090.msg39857179#msg39857179)
...

Notes: I will keep updating the thread with all my works.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 20, 2018, 02:24:17 AM
thanks for this. good info!
It's good to see newbie join my topic, which created specifically for newbies.
Let's apply my tutorials for your threads.

By the way, here is link to my other topic, which might be helpful for you:
tbct_mt2's Guideline on some forum functions, English texbooks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3991710.msg37800314#msg37800314)

Good luck, mate.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 20, 2018, 05:45:21 AM
~
Great attitude!
Enjoy it, and change the way you compose your threads, especially threads with quotations inside.
Please spend a couple of minutes to avoid pyramid quotes and fingers-hurts to your readers.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on July 15, 2018, 04:05:42 AM
Today, I would like to give you supplementary helpful topic on almost the same issue as of my topic.
This one created by @Steamtyme.
Enjoy it via the link here:  Posting technique (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667594.msg42124427#msg42124427[Tips)


Of course, there are several overlaps between my topics and Steamtyme's one, but you can find something interesting and useful in the topic I gave you.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on January 28, 2019, 02:16:55 PM
Around one month after my last post in the topic.
Today, I found the pyramid-quoted post, and would like to share it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg49360229#msg49360229
You can see how annoying it is, and such annoying post also hard to follow flow of ideas and get what the post's author wanted to discuss (which post the author wanted to discuss with, I meant).


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 08, 2019, 02:07:09 PM
Bumping today with another classic pyramid-quoted post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3047868.msg49503608#msg49503608
Do you like such a pyramid-quoted post?
If not, please follow my instructions in the OP.  :)


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: bitcoinmee on February 08, 2019, 03:55:35 PM
This tip is not just for newbies but also for some old timers here. I can see some of the informative thread here with a lot of image or long paragraph getting quoted whole just to comment some one liner message.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 09, 2019, 03:10:45 AM
This tip is not just for newbies but also for some old timers here. I can see some of the informative thread here with a lot of image or long paragraph getting quoted whole just to comment some one liner message.
most of over pyramid-quoted guys are spambies or bounty hunters.
They only need postcounts for their works, and rewards.
They will not change their posting style, I believe.
What I want to change is real users, who have not known the tips or too lazy to do this with very simple steps.
Avoiding pyramid quotes is better for all, saving more time and more healthy for fingers.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 09, 2019, 03:15:05 AM
For instance:
A Ledgendary, real user, green trust, do this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090427.msg49649816#msg49649816
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090427.msg49650837#msg49650837
from time to time
And, not only in Grin coin's ANN topic.
There is another topic, with his/ her pyramid quotes:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg49633859#msg49633859


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Johnzky on February 09, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
Personally, I thought that this information should have been known for a lot of users who participated in this forum (or other SMF-based forums). Let's just hope that they won't be lazy again to do your tips.

And IMHO, this should be moved to Beginner and Helps, isn't it?
Right this information must be known in every sides of forum to prevent large space in quoting,i will personally take this inconsideration since I mostly quoting the post completely

And i will be saving this thread for future use or to share in other post so many people here may learn how to make clean posting


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Little Mouse on February 09, 2019, 02:08:28 PM
Over quoting is really a disgusting issue. When you read a important thread, you will get headache for over quoting. Some older high ranked profile also do the same. I just get bored with it. Thank you for writing this.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 09, 2019, 02:21:05 PM
Sure.
It is helpful for you first, then might be helpful for others.
Let's spread it out. Thank you.
And i will be saving this thread for future use or to share in other post so many people here may learn how to make clean posting

You are always welcome.
I felt annoying, not headache with pyramid quotes.
Over quoting is really a disgusting issue. When you read a important thread, you will get headache for over quoting. Some older high ranked profile also do the same. I just get bored with it. Thank you for writing this.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 13, 2019, 04:03:01 AM
Another day with some new pyramid-quoted posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=644601.msg49666158#msg49666158 (a Hero made his/ her pyramid quoted post)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039875.msg49683450#msg49683450 (another Hero made this one).


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 14, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
Another post that pyramid-quoted found today.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1883902.msg49720070#msg49720070
Once again, such pyramid post is really hard to catch and follow flows of ideas and discussion.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on February 20, 2019, 03:54:45 AM
Two piecies of pyramid quotes added into the collection:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4841968.msg49735282#msg49735282
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3121447.msg49760423#msg49760423
Both of them are Senior Members, the first pyramid quote is extremely annoying, that should be avoided.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on March 01, 2019, 07:08:42 AM
Another example for today in the topic.
This thread is a joke one, I meant, but I took it as a classic example of pyramid quote:
There you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2040221.msg49969694#msg49969694


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on March 03, 2019, 06:22:50 AM
Today, I found another pyramid quote for you.
Let's spend a couple of seconds to take a look at the following pyramid quote
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695855.msg48436784#msg48436784


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on March 05, 2019, 01:40:23 AM
Fortunately, today I found other pyramid quotes, that published by Legendary, and Hero members.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg49977851#msg49977851 (Hero)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg50007779#msg50007779 (Legendary)
Let's take a look back at all pyramid quotes I collected, and see how annoying they are.
If you really feel that those pyramid quotes are annoying for your experience in the forum, let's spend a couple of seconds to do something (deleting unncessary, unsued stuffs) and avoid pyramid quotes.
As you can see my guide in the OP, it is very simple and does not require too much time to edit your threads.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on March 06, 2019, 01:56:15 AM
There are two pyramid quotes I found today.
This one published by a Hero member.
There is link to the newest found pyramid quote:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2091093.msg49977851#msg49977851

And, that one published by a user at Member rank.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096416.msg49872527#msg49872527

Found another one minutes ago. Legendary's pyramid quote
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.msg49999291#msg49999291


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on March 06, 2019, 09:02:55 AM
How annoying and boring it is?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110965.msg50035949#msg50035949
It made by a Hero.
This one is a pyramid quote, below which there is one line post.
How do you think to improve your next posts, especially spending a little time to edit your quote?


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: poptok1 on March 06, 2019, 09:28:07 AM
How annoying and boring it is?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5110965.msg50035949#msg50035949
-snip-
Annoyance is over 9000, that's for sure.
Quite a lot of those lately, almost nobody cares about the no pyramid rule any more. Glad to see that you're not one of them. 
One question though, what is the point of your thread?
Ridicule of pyramid makers only or maybe there are mods who monitor your topic and take action?
Would be nice to see at least some warnings being issued, to those who break in fact the very first rule...  ::)
 


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Tamilson on March 06, 2019, 12:37:00 PM

One question though, what is the point of your thread?
Ridicule of pyramid makers only or maybe there are mods who monitor your topic and take action?

The fact that OP is interesting but updating the thread posting pyramid quoting isn't necessary anymore. Don't get me wrong, I honestly appreciate the OP.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: zhekinsp on March 06, 2019, 01:52:54 PM

One question though, what is the point of your thread?
Ridicule of pyramid makers only or maybe there are mods who monitor your topic and take action?

The fact that OP is interesting but updating the thread posting pyramid quoting isn't necessary anymore. Don't get me wrong, I honestly appreciate the OP.
I feel reporting it would be enough than keeping it in a thread because chances of getting deleted is very less so just report those over quoted posts when you find it as spam.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 29, 2019, 03:42:35 AM
Started from recent discussions on pyramid quotes and new user srcipt, I updated the OP today.
Discussion: [Feature Suggest] Let disable multi quoting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148084.0)
User script:
Helpful User Scripts to remove pyramid quotes:

1. User Script: Automatically remove nested quotes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148327.0) (EcuaMobi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515))


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: Sharon121212 on May 29, 2019, 06:40:47 AM
that simple task of removing unwanted quote helps to give a better look to the thread.
Also no one has to visit doctor for their finger pain, which caused by scrolling.  ;)
Lol. Some users are inconsiderate about the stress and pains caused to others by there hazard quotations appear.
I know this is not formally against the rule and can't be reported to the moderator except the follow write up is unwanted or spam.
But logically it's a good thing if users can adopt the value of doing things rightly


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: tbct_mt2 on May 29, 2019, 07:39:19 AM
Lol. Some users are inconsiderate about the stress and pains caused to others by there hazard quotations appear.
I know this is not formally against the rule and can't be reported to the moderator except the follow write up is unwanted or spam.
But logically it's a good thing if users can adopt the value of doing things rightly
Ooops, maybe you missed it. It is just not a too serious rule violation that can lead to instantly permanent ban. However, being reported too many times with pyramid quotes might be a problem, like with spamming. There is no official or unofficial rule on how many times of such violations will cause temporary ban, but I think with repeatedly serious violations, temporary bans might be considered.


Title: Re: Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting
Post by: DdmrDdmr on May 29, 2019, 08:00:18 AM
<...> I know this is not formally against the rule and can't be reported to the moderator except the follow write up is unwanted or spam. <...>
Here’s an extract of the rules that explicitly mentions pyramid quotes (in the examples section):

<…>1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e] <…>

Examples:
1. Such posts as "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids, useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads. <…>
Since pyramid quotes are examples of breaking rule number one, they may be reported and cautioned accordingly by the mods.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on June 11, 2019, 03:00:57 AM
Today, I have another example for you, that most of us overuse by quoting OPs. OPs of projects mostly contain lots of images attached. Therefore, quoting whole OPs will congest the whole threads, and if everyone does it, the threads will become trashy as well as require more time to load whole pages.

For example:
Original OP-quoted post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146645.msg51416874#msg51416874
I will do different like this:
~snip~
Then, typing what I want to point out from the OP.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on July 31, 2019, 04:06:07 PM
Editing your quotes will cost a few seconds, so please do editing quotes before you start composing and discussing. It will help save more space each page in thread you discuss, help you and other readers more easily to follow idea flows, stay in context of discussions, and of course, make you a better poster.
So, please read, and apply my tips to avoid pyramid quotes. It is easy and does not cost so much time.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: nakamura12 on August 01, 2019, 01:40:58 AM
In addition to op's thread on tips to avoid pyramid quoting. These three tips made by the op should be followed to avoid pyramid quoting and there is also a good way to quote which you want to quote by only quoting the small part/some part of the content of the reply you wanted to quote then answer. There's also a good tip/way to avoid pyramid quoting is by not quoting the whole thread reply and only quote the important part of the thread reply you want to quote. Refer below:

Ex. Whole/Complete post/thread reply to quote:
From this quote:
You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years. You can get it or not, depends on your past activities (things presented below are not mine, I describe perspectives of global mods that I read during the banwave in many appeals). There are some factors:
- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
4 years ago - 4 years of genuine, positive contributions I've made to this community - and I'm banned off of this?
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
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I'd be happy with a temporary ban - those who are close to me know that I'm on vacation right now anyways - but a permanent ban disregarding what I've done this community for two damn lines 4 years ago is infuriating.
I scanned your post history, that looks good (at least not a pure shit poster), so I think you might have chance, but it is not my position to say anything about this.
There is even a user (maybe more, but I know only one) that even come back without signature ban.  :)

To this quote: I only quote a sentence which I would like to talk about but if you compare this to the op's way I think that op's is better than what I share on how I quote.

You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years.
(Your Post or Reply Here)


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on August 01, 2019, 01:59:13 AM
there is also a good way to quote which you want to quote by only quoting the small part/some part of the content of the reply you wanted to quote then answer.
~ snip ~
You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years.
(Your Post or Reply Here)
It is the best way to avoid pyramid quotes. You made a point here, @nakamura12.
Good posters never or rarely do pyramid quotes. I probably do it when I am on moblie devices and hardly to edit texts to avoid pyramid quotes, but I mostly come back to my posts to edit them later, when I use computers.
Usercript is helpful too
1. User Script: Automatically remove nested quotes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5148327.0) (EcuaMobi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515))


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on August 11, 2019, 04:06:52 PM
Reminder:
Spending a couple of seconds to edit your posts, after clicking on Quote button, to choose which part you will use for your diccussion, rest parts should  be deleted. It takes just a few seconds, less than half of a minute to finish on computers.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: Sonu_titu on August 28, 2019, 12:51:52 PM
Few of my posts that avoided pyramid:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157134.msg51558513#msg51558513
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5170797.msg52023069#msg52023069
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5179227.msg52290368#msg52290368

Previously I was not aware and might have done some posts with such clumsy looks. But, after me going through your post have implemented and conscious of avoiding the mistake. I request you to pleas have a look and suggest if I am still doing some mistake. I would be thankful to you. Now that the thread poped up again just thanking you.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: Lucius on September 17, 2020, 01:25:46 PM
I think it's worth bumping this topic because some users for some reason known only to them use the quote option in a very unnecessary and inappropriate way. I have even reported some such posts, especially those that contain large images - but different moderators have different views on this - so the results of such reports are mostly unhandled.

I recently deleted one such post in my self-moderated thread which resulted in the user in question accusing me of deleting the posts because I didn’t like his opinion - but that of course had nothing to do with it. However, I am glad that some users still listened to my advice and started using quote in a completely different way, so their posts look much better and clearer.

Although this thread is made for newbies, I think it can come in handy for some older members as well.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: tbct_mt2 on September 17, 2020, 02:28:15 PM
However, I am glad that some users still listened to my advice and started using quote in a completely different way, so their posts look much better and clearer.
Use quote is not a different task. The problem can be not yet know how to quote properly or being too lazy to quote it properly (spammers don't care about what they write so they don't care about how to quote).

For real members, they should read and practice with their posts (if they quote, quote properly).

I know a video from Steamtyme on the Post formatting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5200715.0). Video link on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NHfaViknzM&feature=youtu.be


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Although this thread is made for newbies, I think it can come in handy for some older members as well.
Thank you and I am happy to know you feel about it like that.


Title: Re: [TIPS] to avoid pyramid quotes (for Newbies)
Post by: Egii Nna on January 08, 2024, 02:33:04 PM
~snip~

Hello @tbct_mt2. I have come across your awesome topic, and I find out that the topic is very educational. I will like to request your consent to translate this educational topic to my local board, the Naija local board (pidgin).

 For some reasons. For instance, many newbies that come to the forum find it hard to understand how annoying pyramid quoting is; if they know they will not try to do it, some members even find it hard to read such quotes, so if you don’t mind, I would like to have a quick and suitable response for you so that I can try my possible best to translate the topics to my local board for more understanding.