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After all the virtual public flogging National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden has received, in the past week a few voices have suggested cutting him some slack.

At a Tuesday closed-door meeting with tech leaders, one unnamed participant suggested to Obama that Snowden be pardoned; Obama said he couldn't do that. During a 60 Minutes report on the leaks that aired Sunday, though, even an NSA official suggested it might be worth discussing amnesty—if and only if he returns the leaked documents securely, almost surely an impossibility at this point. (CBS news has been busy defending itself against accusations that Sunday's show was a "puff piece.")

Even that tiny, tentative olive branch seems to have crossed a line for security hawks. NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander dismissed the idea, comparing Snowden to "a hostage taker taking 50 people hostage, shooting 10, and then say[ing], 'You give me full amnesty and I'll let the other 40 go.'"

Former CIA director James Woolsey responded to the suggestion of amnesty even more strongly, saying in a Fox News interview that Snowden should be hanged.

"I think giving him amnesty is idiotic,” said Woolsey, who ran the CIA from 1993 to 1995. “He should be prosecuted for treason. If convicted by a jury of his peers, he should be hanged by his neck until he is dead."

The tough talk on Snowden came the day after a federal judge found the NSA's broad phone surveillance program is likely unconstitutional. US District Judge Richard Leon is the first federal judge to consider the program who does not sit on the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/12/former-cia-chief-snowden-should-be-hanged-by-the-neck-until-dead/

I long for the day news and bias are distinguishable by the general public.

Where does Fox get its funding?

Says a member of the largest criminal organization in the world.  What a hypocrite.

Guess he would say the same to me, to anyone who shares opposing views that go against the principle of forcing morality through violence.  Guess he would say the same about the entire generation of youth.

Hope he doesn't have kids.

First lets do these:

1. Hang the Clintons (both Hillary and Bill) for bombing to death thousands of Serbian children, and then lying about it.

2. Hang George Bush for causing the death of 1 million Iraqis.

3. Hang Obama for bullying every nation in the world, other than the US.

3. Hang Obama for many many murders committed... Many well documented.

can these douchebags even prove that snowden's leaks have caused grave danger to american safety and well being? or do they just think he should be hanged because he hurt the police state?

Its a basic principle of data management that data gets shared on a "need to know" basis.  Snowden and Manning demonstrated that the US intelligence services failed to follow this principle and were recklessly letting almost anyone not only access data but download it.

Snowden and Manning made their bosses look like fools.  That's why the rhetoric is so ridiculously over the top.

I wish that snowden could of released more info of what the corrupted U.S. is doing to other countries and our people!

He will not do that. I think Snowden is having a deal with Putin, that he'll not provoke the US anymore. If he snaps the deal, then he may lose the Russian residency permit.

It's very unlikely they will ever pardon him, even if he agrees to an amnesty. I hope he doesn't cave in and can live a happy life in some country somewhere. I consider him a hero. I don't see what he's done wrong other than expose crimes committed by the US & UK government

If governments/gov agencies have done nothing wrong, they've got nothing to hide  ;D

Haha, yeah, that's what they usually tell us when we complain about systematic surveillance.

CIA +1

Snowden is a criminal and a traitor, he deserves to be tried as one and found guilty and imprisoned forever!!

Snowden is a righteous patriot.

Please research the CIA, the things they have done and the things they still do before +1ing the Criminals In Action.

And not even the CIA deserves to be imprisoned forever, everyone deserves to be forgiven.  But I cannot help if their fate is chosen otherwise through their actions.

Non of those are treason against the US.

War on drugs, a war in which we can no longer choose what chemicals to put in our bodies unless they're approved by the state, is this not treason?

Wonder what Woolsey thinks about all the CIA backed death squads who slaughtered thousands across Central America?

I think Russia just gave Snowden asylum because Snowden would be a great spy for the Russian Agency.

You first, Woolsey.

Predictable but deplorable reaction if true

No, but they're all war criminals and committed crimes against humanity. I wonder at what point will the UN will step in?

So what? Do you think killing millions of innocent people is less serious than leaking a bunch of spying documents? You know what? This is exactly why the majority of people in this world hate the Americans.

He just revealed the wrongdoings of the NSA, and somehow he should be imprisoned?  The government has done far worst, so should they be imprisoned forever?

He's just trolling.

Although we disagree on everything, you have this exactly right, Hawker.  The old principle of "Need to know" simply got forgotten in the world of access to data through passwords in the security agencies.

Where before there were channels of access, now at any terminal, these idiots can get a thousand or a million times more info than in previous decades.   Give that possibility to a hundred thousand, and some will for one reason or another, take the plunge.

In this very real sense, we owe both Snowden and Manning for showing the weakness of this system. 

Anyone would risk to guess a number of how many civil servants have a need to know/top secret level just like manning or snowden? I am guessing in the 100K or close to it.

No. I think it is a very small number. Manning didn't had default access to the information. If my guess is right, he hacked in to the system to get all those info. Still that doesn't make him a criminal.

Actually Putin has already said in an interview if the US Gov is willing to make a deal to acquire Snowden he's ready, I am not sure why the US Gov hasn't though.

Actually what he has done has broke his security clearance with information he was entrusted in keeping. By leaking that information he is a criminal and a traitor and he deserves to be tried for it. The action is the crime, the subject matter how much society deems it good and helpful doesn't negate the crime.

He passed on information of crimes that were being committed by the US government.

It's sad that guys like this are likely too old to ever realize how wrong they are.

Sure he committed a crime. As does the government everyday with this NSA stuff.

How can exposing criminality be a crime?  That's some pretty twisted logic

So everyone who has ever spoken to the press about crimes they have witnessed should be put to death. That's some North Korea logic right there.

Actually it does, that is why we have protections for whistleblowers.  Of course the status quo doesn't want their secrets dispersed.  They have the power to keep secrets from the public, and this destroys democracy.  Our only recourse is leaking them.

If he was a 'whistleblower' that would be true, but no. He was a secure information leak to secure information he was entrusted with and had to obtain a security clearance for. WHistleblowing doesn't apply here, its about expose secure government information. You see, its about the action of the leak he could have leaked information on many things, military ops, nuke weapon locations, all kinds of things, instead he chose what he did and even by the reaction of people it too was a self serving leak by the way people react to him. He's a leaker, a criminal, a traitor.

I guess they see him under that criminal logic of "not being a grass".




I doubt he add access to nuke locations and other such stuff, but if that was so then he is a whistlebower and not a traitor. A traitor would be betraying your country by passing on the information to an enemy. He leaked/exposed information of criminality to the world.

Read it again...The point is, it is the action of the leak, NOT the subject matter.

If you consider a man a traitor for pointing out the corruption and dishonesty of his allies so other people don't get hurt by it then that just makes you an asshole.

One man's terrorist is another's hero. But in a recent poll  by a reputed media firm (http://rt.com/usa/snowden-americans-majority-poll-906), the majority of American citizens supported Snowden against the government, with 55% calling him a whistle-blower and 34% calling him a traitor. After all US is a democracy, right?

It matters not. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/majority.html

He defended human rights and the Constitution that codified them, by exposing totalitarians who were violating them with impunity despite their sworn oaths to the contrary, and those totalitarians initially claimed innocent lives were saved by their violation of human rights, then just admitted that number was 0. Conversely, the totalitarians claim innocent lives were lost because they could no longer violate human rights with impunity, and that number will probably end up being 0 as well.

Technically the US is a Constitutional Republic.
People are waking up to the abuse generations of governments pilled on on the US Constitution.

No, it probably is up around 100k.  Not that that's the way it should be.

Then the issue is, of those 100k, why might they have access to "everything" instead of the tiny limited subset that was actionable for them?

Answer:  Because  of a breakdown of the basic intelligence policy.

That explains the access of both Manning and Snowden.

LOL...I hear the Russians have gone back to paper for high level classified docs...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/edward-snowden-after-months-of-nsa-revelations-says-his-missions-accomplished/2013/12/23/49fc36de-6c1c-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html)


Let's have an adult conversation, in a court of law, about who are the real criminals here shall we?

The criminals always try to keep it out of court ....

What's your problem?

They claimed a number of innocent lives were saved.

0 is a number.

Actually they were more specific than just "a number", but I can't be arsed to look up the initial claim.

"We must destroy this Constitution in order to Save it!"

I don't have any problems with the Russians as long as they don't spy on people who live outside their country. What they do to their citizens, is their problem.

Snowden has just started, there will be some for every country in this world.
I hope he and the media will be able to handle it


Are you for real?

Apparently Snowden is going to do the alternative Xmas message here on TV haha. Look forward to it.

I don't care much about Russians. What I don't want Russia to do, is to spy on people who reside outside their country (similar to what the US did).

I see Snowden as neither criminal nor patriot.  His security clearance wasn't high enough to do truly do any damage.  He didn't even work for the NSA, he was only a contractor.  I feel sorry for him, living in Moscow for the rest of my life making less than I did when I worked for Booz Allen Hamilton isn't my idea of sticking it to the NSA.

No data he's released has surprised me in the least.  Other countries conduct similar spying activities, they're only jealous they don't have our capabilities.  It's all a big joke to the NSA, they are untouchable, no matter what Congress might think they can do about it.

It will take a revolution at the grass-roots level to make any substantial changes and even then, I doubt any is possible.

This isn't a V for Vendetta situation...yet.

For some people, their ideology is worth more than anything. He might be earning less and surrounded by people speaking a language which he cannot comprehend. But the fact is that millions of people around the world see him as a hero, who single-handedly fought the tyranny of the NSA. We need people like him to make this planet a better living space.

His victory is symbolic, but it will take high-ranking entities of dissent within the NSA itself to produce a whistleblower capable of inducing true change within the agency.  With some NSA members sporting security clearances above the President's, it will take someone truly prepared to die or take a life sentence to expose them.  Snowden is prepared to accept neither fate and because of the negligible quality of his information, he won't have to worry about it.  The information Snowden has yet to release is already known by the NSA and trust me, they're not sweating it.  Congress, CIA, and Snowden ain't got shit on the "King Kong" that is the NSA.  Add to the fact that they may be the only agency outside the Pentagon who is able to keep tabs on DARPA's progress.  

The only intelligence agency in the same league is Israel's Mossad.  If you think our intelligence agencies do dirty work, Mossad is ruthless by comparison and without the fear they instill to militant enemies when they make their presence known, Israel could not survive.

It's a shame people are such submissive sheep. Most people don't realise the power they have and/or even seem to be all that bothered when their governments abuse theirs and fritter their taxes away on wars and to corporations. People can easily put a stop to it, but they never do. Baffles me.

My thoughts, exactly. However, I know why people won't collectively use their power and make changes happen.  It's complacency.  It will take an earth-shattering event to begin this process.  Perhaps, something on the order of 9/11 times 1,000.

The Mossad is having an enormous advantage. The local population will support them, no matter whatever they do in the name of intelligence gathering. Neither the CIA, nor the FSB can claim such a loyal population.

Haha, reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZcZ6eJoxeE

I honestly don't know what it'll take. Maybe complete financial collapse / some dystopian scenario. I'm surprised there wasn't mass riots at the NSA surveillance revelations. Nobody seems to be that bothered about it. People seem to be angry, just not really willing to do anything apart from post a few angry status updates etc.

LOL, wow. I hadn't even seen that movie but now it looks like I'm basing my statements on Team America. Fuck, NO! lol

Fuck yeah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

I need to watch it again. Haven't seen it in years.

I suppose this aggressive tyrant is eager for cryptocurrencies to have $trillions market cap and for the $billion assassination bounties to begin.

Who is making a list of these tyrants?

Snowdon has given his liberty up in an altruistic way to increase the liberty of all of us. It is bigger than nationalities and loyalties. I don't care what this CIA chief said, if you undermine the CIA should you be killed? They are not Gods, they are not our masters.

"Better dead than red" was a common American slogan. The idea that is worth risking your life to be free from state control. This CIA chief is going against everything that America stands for.

America never stood for anything (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg4159215#msg4159215), please grow up from the fantasies you were taught as a child. American the Beautiful is just a fscking song, not a reality.

Grow some balls. There is only one way to deal with tyrants.

P.S. I am (regrettably) a US citizen.

I'm not American but I still recognize the American declaration of independence, the bill of rights and the constitution as among the most amazing documents ever written down. To me, this is what American stands for. The primacy of the individual over the state. Sadly, America seems to becoming more and more tyrannical by the day.

Can individual liberty exist in an age of superpowers?

You did not read the link I gave you. You must understand those documents do nothing to eliminate the power vacuum.

Try again to read it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg4159215#msg4159215

I have read the thread you directed me towards but it hasn't changed my opinion. Thanks anyway.

Your opinion meaning you believe beautiful documents matter when they don't. You fail to understand the post I linked you to. The power vacuum exists. And beautiful constitutional documents and the good will of society are irrelevant.

BTW, Is CIA chief really that bad with executions, I mean hanging if proberly done should instantly kill the subject. So it's not really a suffocation trick that requires time.

Not instantly kill, it would be 10-20 seconds.  Instant would be if something like a shock wave moved faster than neural signal propagation.  But I think the CIA chief was alluding to a painful death, yes. 

Snowden is not the problem if he brings the solution.

Snowden is not the problem if he evidenced the problem of lax security at National Stoopids America.

I don't know about all that but I do like the phrase...

"bouts of megadeath Failure"...

A textbook hanging will snap the neck so that the spinal cord is severed, immediately stopping the heart and lungs and rendering the subject clinically dead within 10 seconds but unconscious the second his spinal cord is severed.  If done properly, there is no pain.

Or actual decapitation if the person is heavy enough or rope long enough. There's a formula out there to prevent accidental decapitation, but it's not always successful.

But not an NSA hanging.

That formula is explained in this BBC horizon doc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQTHqg_8_UA

I recommend it. It's about trying to find a truely painless procedure for capital punishment.

Yeah, already seen it.The hypoxia is an interesting and seemingly painless way to die. Quite bizarre how you don't even realise you're dying.

Reading up on this, no, there isn't anything that would cause "instant death".  The quickest would be loss of oxygen to the brain, the slowest death would be stragulation.  And there's no 'doing it right', it looks like a crap shot as to the outcome every time it's been done.

check wikipedia...

Maximum torque, do it off a >100 foot bridge like Bohannon tried to do to The Swede in Hell On Wheels?

just a thought, the very existence of the phrase 'hanged by the neck until dead' tells you a lot.

We don't have a phrase such as 'shot by firing squad until dead' or 'put on the guillotine until dead'.

Hanging is really more of a spectator sport.  They could leave the body up for weeks.  And did.

Now the NSA has planted backdoors for Samsung electronics and hard drive companies.

What? You got a source for this?

Good joke. There is no chance of something like that happening with Samsung systems. However, it is quite possible with Apple devices as they are CIA stooges.

http://gigaom.com/2013/12/29/nsas-backdoor-catalog-exposed-targets-include-juniper-cisco-samsung-and-huawei/

Says they 'targeted them'. Doesn't say anything about they did it or allowed it.

I guess they have firmware sources and they used it on specific cases.
Is Snowden going to back up this one with some proofs? :P

Any better sources? Can't say I trust that website. I usually check the Guardian for latest info, but there's nothing on there about it.

The original article is here:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969.html)

Inside TAO: Documents Reveal Top NSA Hacking Unit
"The NSA's TAO hacking unit is considered to be the intelligence agency's top secret weapon. It maintains its own covert network, infiltrates computers around the world and even intercepts shipping deliveries to plant back doors in electronics ordered by those it is targeting."

"Will Hunting had it right 14 years ago" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8rQNdBmPek)

So who thinks he'd still live a long life if he was pardoned and returned to the US?

Former CIA chief : Snowden should be “ hanged by the neck until dead” imprisoned.

Other sources say no, but I beleive it has to do something with firmware, where they ask the compnaies if they can implement tracking or spyware on the phones firmware.

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official, a former special forces officer, said bluntly. “I do not take pleasure in taking another human beings life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.”…

“His name is cursed every day over here,” a defense contractor told BuzzFeed, speaking from an overseas intelligence collections base. “Most everyone I talk to says he needs to be tried and hung, forget the trial and just hang him.”…

“I think if we had the chance, we would end it very quickly,” [an Army intelligence officer] said. “Just casually walking on the streets of Moscow, coming back from buying his groceries. Going back to his flat and he is casually poked by a passerby. He thinks nothing of it at the time starts to feel a little woozy and thinks it’s a parasite from the local water. He goes home very innocently and next thing you know he dies in the shower.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/americas-spies-want-edward-snowden-dead

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Come back to the US Edward. We will treat you withing the law and with respect. Trust us.

Scum. And those are the people "that keep Americans safe".

Thats what you get nowdays for telling the truth? maybe the former CIA guy should be hanged.

Interesting times indeed.
That's why I recently signed up for a new privacy service hosted out of Iceland. Not only is their code and philosophy 100% open source, they even accept bitcoins and litecoins.
Now all my phone calls and chats are encrypted.  :D

Sounds like an interesting service, care to share who provides it?

https://www.fortknox.is (https://www.fortknox.is)

I emailed them and asked if we could get a special discount for the bitcoin community.
We'll see how they respond.

the spies are angry they got spied upon and humiliated. Their anger is very funny. However, if one random guy can do that thing, so can the chinese. Perhaps the same NSA secrets have been in the hands of foreign governments all along?

Cool, thanks for sharing. I've been using jitsi which seems to provide a lot of the same functionality, for free.

Hear hear.

Governments are so hypocritical, how the hell can they pull some of this shit and not expect somebody to blab. Having said this they did a good job until Snowden did a runner.

I wonder what other stuff there is to hear of.

Our government is doing some stupid shit right now, and this society is going to be like north koreas.

I honestly respect FOX news a lot more than CNN.

Obviously the majority in the US do. Even fox news haters watch fox news, based on the numbers. CNN International was not bad until I heard everything middle Eastern related had to get approval from Amanpour first...

I occasionally watch CNN to see a different standpoint on specific topics but generally only watch FOX.

US Attorney General Eric Holder indicated on Thursday that Washington would negotiate with lawyers for former NSA contractor Edward Snowden if he took responsibility for leaking classified documents that exposed the agency’s vast surveillance operations.

Holder said that should Snowden return to the US from Russia - where he has received temporary asylum - and enter a plea deal for disclosing sensitive information, the US Department of Justice “would engage in conversation.” Yet amnesty for Snowden, no matter his pure intentions of transparency, “would be going too far,” Holder said during an interview with MSNBC.

The Attorney General echoed those sentiments during a public event Thursday at the University of Virginia.

“We've always indicated that the notion of clemency isn't something that we were willing to consider. Instead, were he coming back to the US to enter a plea, we would engage with his lawyers,” he said.

When asked by MSNBC if Snowden, 30, should be considered a whistleblower, Holder said, "I prefer the term defendant. That's the most apt title."

http://rt.com/usa/snowden-holder-negotiations-clemency-111/

http://bcove.me/ypr72g3x

Rusha just extended his asylum contract  ;D

They are all western propaganda machines so where's the difference?

They are different than the Asian, Persian, Arab, Russian, etc... propaganda machines.

I meant the difference between fox and cnn.

https://showyou.com/v/h-qrZTvJB52DR5GYJu/wrongnado-cnn

And what should this link show me?

... yeah, just as soon as NSA is going to take responsibility and consequences for violating and systematically undermining the Fourth Amendment and Rule Of Law ...

Laws are irrelevant.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper isn't the most popular guy in Washington these days. Support for reforming bulk surveillance continues to grow. More lawmakers are becoming convinced of the point of view of US Senator Ron Wyden: that Clapper lied to Congress when he denied that "any type of data at all" was being collected "on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans." On Monday, Rep. Darrel Issa (R-CA) and five other lawmakers sent a letter to President Obama saying Clapper should be fired.

It's unlikely that Clapper's comments today at a hearing of the US Senate Intelligence Committee will quiet things down at all. Clapper reiterated his position that the leaks by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden are continuing to cause "profound damage" to the US security.

"Snowden claims that he’s won and that his mission is accomplished," said Clapper, according to a transcript of today's hearing published by The Washington Post. "If that is so, I call on him and his accomplices to facilitate the return of the remaining stolen documents that have not yet been exposed, to prevent even more damage to US security... The nation is less safe and its people less secure."

The use of the phrase "accomplices" caused several journalists to question who, exactly, Clapper was referring to. "I guess he means us?" tweeted Spencer Ackerman, national security editor at The Guardian.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/clapper-snowden-and-media-accomplices-should-return-our-documents/

Isn't lying to congress perjury?

Why hasn't Clapper been charged or arrested yet?

These guys are operating in criminal territory, and have been for a long time I believe, all they do each time they get caught is to hoodwink Congress into passing new laws that cover up their previous crimes.

Congress is just as corrupt as these guys, if Congress did anything the intelligence agencies and contractors would turn on them and vice versa so they work together out of convenience and try to cover their tracks, except of course everybody knows better now and doesn't believe a word any of them say.

Jon Stewart "The daily Show" about CNN...

Sounds like time to send in the Military :)

You mean the military that bombs civilians, rapes/assaults its female members, discriminates against homosexuals, loses extremely expensive military hardware and is losing to a bunch of men wearing turbans who are using weapons that still have wood as the crafting material for its stock?

That U.S military?

Oh, I forgot the NSA is the military ... hmmm, send in the People's militia?

http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/22/0d/d0/00/000_was3148829.si.jpg

Despite calls from Congress to can Director of National Intelligence James Clapper for lying under oath, United States President Barack Obama says that the spy chief should have just been a little more careful with his words.

Clapper, the 72-year-old retired Air Force lieutenant general in charge of the nation's intelligence departments, caused a commotion last year when he was caught lying during sworn testimony delivered to the Senate.

Answering to Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) during a meeting of the chamber's select committee on intelligence last March, Clapper claimed that the National Security Agency does “not wittingly” collect and store data on American people. When former contractor Edward Snowden proved him wrong through leaked NSA documents weeks later, though, Clapper was forced to take back his words. He later apologized to committee chairperson Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California) for what he called a “clearly erroneous” remark, and insisted he gave simply the “least untruthful” answer he could give in an unclassified setting.

Clapper's comment has continued to attract criticism nearly a year later — and more than seven months after the first Snowden disclosures showed how wrong he was. When Pres. Obama finally opened up about the ordeal this week, though, he far from sided with the critics who have been calling for Clapper's termination.

“I think that Jim Clapper himself would acknowledge, and has acknowledged, that he should have been more careful about how he responded,” Obama told CNN in an interview that aired Friday. “His concern was that he had a classified program that he couldn’t talk about, and he was in an open hearing in which he was asked, he was prompted to disclose a program, and so he felt he was caught between a rock and a hard place.”

“As I said in the speech that I gave a couple of weeks ago, what’s clear is that we are going to have to do a better job of being transparent about what we do, to have a robust public debate about what we do,” Obama added. “But it’s going to take some time. It’s going to take some work, partly because the technology has just moved so quickly that the discussions that need to be had didn’t happen fast enough, didn’t happen on the front end.”

Obama wasn't the only one to endorse DNI Clapper this week, either. Former United Nations ambassador John Bolton appeared on Fox News late Thursday, and hailed the intelligence director for comments he made this week before Congress.

Clapper was again on the stand earlier this week when he spoke of the current terror threats facing the US, and said those dangers had become more “disperse” than ever as extremists groups grow in size and scope.

"This is a stunning statement by James Clapper. You can't underline it enough,” Bolton responded.

That isn't to say that the entirety of Washington's elite is ready to shower Clapper with applause. When the spy chief found himself back before the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this week on Wednesday, Sen. Wyden hardly shied away from referencing last year's now infamous gaffe. While grilling Clapper once again about the American intelligence community, Wyden said, “I don’t think this culture of misinformation is going to be easily fixed.”

Wyden's latest showdown with Clapper came just two days after Pres. Obama was sent a letter from Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is and five other members of Congress asking for him to take action against the DNI for his "clearly erroneous" remark.

“The continued role of James Clapper as director of national intelligence is incompatible with the goal of restoring trust in our security programs and ensuring the highest level of transparency,” they wrote.

http://rt.com/usa/obama-dni-clapper-lie-485/

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Yeah! obama is right! Next time clapper, lie better...