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  We have constructed a fantastic network of networks, and even virtual networks within networks. Things have come such a long way from where things began back in 1995 when the controls over access to the Internet were dissolved.

  The combined intelligence that this internet has provided us is tremendous, I now can learn any subject I want from anywhere in the world with a mobile device, get updates on my friends and family; I have seen the Internet Democratize broadcasting, turning it into the greatest repository of knowledge ever created, but what about creation, true collaboration and access to any program required from anywhere?

This is the future.

I began checking out the forum at mozilla when I found out about Firefox OS, it seemed incredible; I understood the concept so deep, powerful, run anything from anywhere.
I looked into the details behind Boot2Gecko and it's underlying components, Gonk Linux, Gecko, and Gaia... all compiled to JavaScript! What the hell.

If you wish to experience the shock and contemplate the possibilities that this new perspective can do, go here, to the emscripten github page.

https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki (https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki)
You'll find a few very impressive demos of compilers and video game engines compiled to asm.js, the extension of JavaScript they are using. I can't believe we had this technology available this whole time, someone just had to see it in the right light.

The possibilities that I see are access to a Cryptocoin wallet with direct connectivity to anyone in the world as many of them as you want whenever running from the browser on any platform.

Instant access for anyone to any software without ever having to compile it for any other platform... just one, HTML 5.

Distributed 3D applications, whether it is a GIMP clone or a 3d application running locally or distributedly, hell maybe a massive ad hoc Hadoop cluster running on yarn to create a distributedly rendered video game accessible from anywhere.

So do you have any ideas? Thought of any possibilities that can be made possible by this democratization of access to tools, services, and new forms of collaboration, like distributed computation platforms that anyone can contribute algorithms too; How long do you think before someone starts creating massive scientific simulations on a platform that is as easy to use as typing in a URL.

Who would have thought that the Future's killer app would be the Internet, it was there this whole time.

There will be changes in turn the world upside down

It is the advent of an economic upheaval equal to that of the Industrial Revolution. What is possible now was impossible just a few decades ago.

Everyone will benefit from this thanks to Bitcoin, You can now pay for secure services and software straight off of your browser, subscribe to services directly through the internet, setup any service at the click of a button, Of course many industries will die, others will adapt and change, some we have never seen before.

It will be positive to adapt to this new paradigm.

The propagation of programs and services will be greatly disrupted because of this, no need for proprietary steam like software, Free programs will propagate faster more easily, Pay per service programs will use Cryptocurrency for quick spur of the moment content purchases, Internet 2.0-3.0 functionality and re-mixability of programs, direct human to human services with commonly used platforms that run along side all programs(the repairman digitally comes to you, distributed jobs), no need to download software just run it off the web from any browser... The changes are going to be monumental

But the downside... the redistribution of legacy services and their imminent death. It will be a bad decade for a lot of people who can't adapt fast enough...

Enter the Bitcoin(Litecoin,Peercoin,Freicoin) and all the cryptocurrencies that can monetize any action or value possible, Devtome for writers, developers, artists; Franko's for social engineering efforts, Namecoin for distributed internet access, Tagbond reward points, Curecoin biological research, Ripple distributed exchange, Primecoin prime search and many more that I cannot think of, the redistribution of wealth is going to be interesting.

Much of the technology to create truly monumental social change has already been built by many organizations around the world like the Apache Software Foundation, building Enterprise software to provide better services to global customers, Mozilla, giving people across the world access to possibilities they may never of had without them, Google, building phenomenal services for everyone not to mention some excellent opensource software, the NoSQL movement creating some really scalable databases with amazing capabilities, and not to mention all the opensource/hardware  movements everywhere...  What will we not be able to contribute to? What will we not be able to build?

And many will have their coins stolen. Doing everything in your browser with javascript is great technology, but not a great way to store coins.

The Internet is fun，anything can happen there

I came up with another idea, a direct connect Artificial Intelligence, just go to a website download the client and run it to join a voluntary A.I botnet, that would be pretty cool; Could test different types of designs to see which ones work better. Hell it's only a matter of time before someone builds a web based Hadoop Cluster, which automatically sets you up with the cluster, They can virtualize Storage, Memory and CPU at the moment, just add support for add on cards and you have a pretty crazy setup capable of acting as one massive computer.

I'm looking forward to seeing a market place for distributed computation. It would be hard to setup but once built it's live for everyone in the world.

So well be able to build Distributed Computing platforms, deployable directly from the web.

F@H one click away, always up to date, synchronized for massive parallel computing... A Folding Pool.

Distributed work using computers. We will connect our computers to any project that needs our computing power, voluntarily or for payment fully configured as easy to contribute as typing in a URL.

Distributed Human to Human Intelligence platform, post questions in a massive system that connects all Q&A website, data mining the knowledge of all humanity, and adding your questions to its massive database for predictive answering, cause if it's been asked once it'll probably be asked again...

There is also a dystopian future for the Internet straight out of Goerge Orwell's 1984. This dystopian Internet will be powered by DRM, propriety software, and large "premium" content providers. Let us not forget that Apple has already placed millions of telescreens in the hands of unsuspecting citizens worldwide. They are called iPads and iPhones. Microsoft is also placing telescreens in the form of Windows 8 RT tablets.

Take a look at the list of supporters of SOPA and PIPA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_with_official_stances_on_the_SOPA_and_PIPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_with_official_stances_on_the_SOPA_and_PIPA). They are fighting for an Orwellian dystopian Internet. Keep also an eye on those supporters that backed off when it got to hot.

Quite possibly, we can't forget the dark side of the equation: The advent of instantly accessible devices from anywhere, mass surveillance through hacking peoples web devices, when everything is connected to the internet, even your refrigirator is spying on you. But of course people don't like that and hopefully strong enough controls are put in so that people can decide to opt in instead of having to opt out of a enterprise data gathering operation.

massive Botnets of course now have much easier access to cameras and microphones, gps data gathering, computational processing, malicious data mining.

 Processing power hijackings for massively cordinated attacks, phishing for the 21st century.

When you consider that there are 17 yottaflops worth of processing power on earth... you begin to see the scope of the problem...That is a massive UltraComputer.

Yottaflop = 10^24 FLOPS
 compared to
Petaflops = 10^18 FLOPS

Thats a lot of zeroes, for perspective you should read this article on wikipedia.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS)

Folding@Home and Boinc are already distributedly computing 10 Petaflops regularly and the biggest single supercomputers are currently running at 54 petaflops(Tianhe-2), Cray has said that they will probably be able to build a Exaflop level computer in 2019, what if a year from now we can use the resources of 17 Yottaflops of processing power? There's a lot of good and evil that can be done with that.

What if someone launches a phishing attack against computer time contributors and directs it towards building a virus that mutates or zombifies people? just like some Funguses do in the wild?

Future internet is all about ultra fast speeds and better security. Crypto currency transactions will take (microseconds) and 4k video streaming will be the norm.

Most spying on individuals by large corporations and as a result by governments is a result of people opting in. People choose to upload their intimate details to Facebook, people choose to purchase a Windows 8 RT tablet or an iPad. People choose to upload sensitive data unencrypted to cloud services, people choose to run Windows instead of GNU/Linux, people will choose to support the NFL, a strong supporter of SOPA, during the upcoming super-bowl, etc. Then when a government agency, such as the NSA in the US, takes advantage of people's poor choices, people collectively cry foul.

Opt in is not the answer, awareness and action in the marketplace is.

I agree to an extent, but if people didn't upload their data, the NSA would just use malware to steal it anyway. And yes, people choose Windows instead of GNU/Linux, but that will take a long time to change for the masses. You can't expect the masses to understand encryption. Most people these days can hardly write or add up.

I feel you & agree. Internet will see a level-up soon. It's already in our imagination.
I think it will need the parameters P2P + encryption.

A level up that is easy to use. That's all.

The level up will be extreme with the availability of all the OpenSource software, This is the Singularity, the explosion in knowledge that will happen yet is going to be beyond our ability to comprehend.

Many of the tools simply have to be compiled to a Low Level Virtual Machine, a assembly VM. So much that was accomplished by asm.js, the Javascript version used, was done by optimizing low level assembly instructions, how powerful is that? they were able to use machine learning algorithms to fine tune the assembly code used; Most of the improvements that may come now may come from programming languages that are not even humanly readable or programmable, they won't even be static languages, the languages will dynamically adjust at the machine level.

But speaking on it's effect in society these programs used to build a instaclick installation is possible, just by using this software.

Hadoop: A distributed file system, that optimizes for server location. Part of it is the new MapReduce 2.0 architecture which introduces cpu and memory processing, working on the same system it can virtualze millions of work loads spread over the same cluster. It is hard to program for but with libraries like Twill that simplify the distribution process it becomes a lot easier.
   There are even many other components that make it a distributed operating system, truly remarkable. Zookeeper a distributed node synchronization agent: it makes sure everything is running and on the same page, Kafka: a node messaging service, Cassandra: distributed database with infinite scalability,Apache Hive: stored data mining, Neo4j: graphical graphing, giraph: data graphing, Mahout: Machine learning library and many other components of the Apache Foundations software; Once virtualized it can be a single click to deploy over a website for anyone to join. maybe even monetarily compensated for it.

And that is not even the full list, this is just the ones I have focused on for the last while, researching about distributed computing, any software can now be deployed over the web... downright amazing, It doesn't even have to be open, it could be propriatery just give people access to it over the web, mind blowing, takes a good shot out of the DRM.

The advent of infinitely scalable programs is here, Anything you now program has a chance at running on a 17 Yottaflop Ultracomputer, Just depends on how much people believe in your program.

You write so much, you are obviously very enthusiastic but ..... its long diving into a novel reading one of your posts. Lots of info in there though, great content :)

very enthusiastic, i'm hoping someone will read what I know and try to build it. Things are not moving fast enough for me, it's nice to have other people thinking about it as well, so anyone can create and expand these ideas. I've seen so much technology in the labs, but it takes years for anyone to see it, some never gets seen again, just an article in a scientific magazine... I hope this new turn of events forces companies to bring out their goodies just to be competitive.

Also, Rule 34.

Just Sayin'  ;)

Yes, techno porn, We will create a massive parallel simulation of the human body, Scientifically accurate down to the atom; We could have celebrities avatars, people could even sell their likeness to be simulated. A advancement on Second life,  It will be called Third life and we will be pluggin into it Matrix style.

  The morals of society could be drastically re-arranged, Our society may further be stratified because of this new advancement in pornography. There has been a growing trend among humanity of singleness, no longer do some people identify themselves as just heterosexual or homosexual, they are choosing to be Asexual, single, on purpose.
  I can see this trend growing, having seen the disappointment of real humans it could bring about new paradigms like the growing trend of casual sex websites, but when people can go fulfill their fantasy with their preferred mate in a virtual reality why go to such sites. Unenhanced humans may be at a disadvantage, dwindling human population numbers and possibly bringing about new trends in Human cloning and Eugenics, without speaking of the behavioral changes that this will cause; A noticeable down trend in morals should be noticed as people try to adapt and compete with the new technology.

jdbtracker wow you write good. It seem you have highly researched before typing after all I 100% agree with every word wrote. You have made a great prediction about internet with clearly stated logical reasons. Thanks for sharing your quality views with us. And shall be waiting for more predictions from your side.

I'm always glad to share, Just want society to be better instead of the intentional dumbing down that is occuring now; I do not believe people wish to be slaves to society or to the economy, people want to be free as we once were thousands of years ago, but without the brutality of nature.

We have the technology so lets put our minds together and use it to bring about a true Utopia, a world were peoples' true wants and needs are met and are not exploited by the desires and purposes of others... unless your into that kind of thing.

and yeah, I've been researching this in my free time for a long time, gotta pay my dues to society you know, so can't focus on it much.

broadcast signal always can lead to a problem as more and more nodes jump in ... split networks, can be a problem, some says bad lucky ..

there are many ways in communication theory to solve that problem ... n-to-n distributed network.

http://youtu.be/3zOLrQJ5kbU?t=26m4s (http://youtu.be/3zOLrQJ5kbU?t=26m4s)  ::) 8)

Network theory is becoming more and more prominent in scientific research these days.

Many of the network problems have been solved by the Hadoop infrastructure over the years, The program is designed to fine tune the movement of data, by being rack aware... it knows how long it takes to get things from anywhere and how far away it is so it optimizes required data to cluster around where the work is being done. Plus a few extra goodies like machine learning algorithms that can make self optimizing synchronization services, finding the best solution for us while it runs... autoconfig.

http://www.revelytix.com/?q=content/hadoop-ecosystem (http://www.revelytix.com/?q=content/hadoop-ecosystem)

http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/ZooKeeper (http://wiki.apache.org/hadoop/ZooKeeper)

Zookeeper synchronizes an entire cluster to make sure that everything is configured properly, same for Kafka. All scale the network to make sure all nodes know what is going on, and there are quite a few different modules that act differently. The modular nature of Hadoop makes it possible to use different flow control systems, whether it is a centralized synchronization agent Zookeeper or a massively parallel structure like Kafka.

But I do like the idea that was spoken of in the video. A data driven system instead of an IP system can be more robust and can reduce information calls, lowering bandwidth usage on the network. I had thought that using a configurable Encryption system like Keccak could create hashes to keep a local blockchain of all data requested over the network, just a sort of local Magnet link tracker system. I choose Keccak because I have looked at it and know it is incredibly configurable, and not only that I am pretty damn sure we can customize it so that it is reversible, so you can unhash the info back into it's original form... turning it into a powerful compression system, further lowering bandwidth, the hash becomes the data.

This is how much they have been able to crack Keccak.  http://keccak.noekeon.org/crunchy_contest.html (http://keccak.noekeon.org/crunchy_contest.html)

and we can't forget all the data that we have accrued on the blockchain, we are distributing hashes, millions of them millions of times a day. We have basically been running a networking experiment with Bitcoin, for this new system. All those transactions they've been testing network propagation, we have been solving network problems for years... the 51% attack. Just need to run Mahout algorithms over the blockchain to find the data.

With all these algorithms that are in Mahout, genetic/evolutionary algorithms, data sorting, Semantics etc we can now basically optimize all services at a level we have never seen before. General Electric is building such a system at the moment, calling it the Industrial Internet of Things, where they use all the sensors from all their devices to know how they are working and optimize them from the cloud by data mining all other sensors on all their equipment. We just have to run these data mining algorithms on all the info we have even the Assembly language optimizations, let the machine learn how to fine tune itself for different CPU architectures instead of having to tediously figure out the physical location of the functions on the chip.

I can see something like this being employed inside the Javascript compiler in a browser, executing code in different ways and checking against other browsers with different compiling optimizations and seeing which ones run faster for different architectures. Data mining on the fly, learning from everyone and returning the benefits to the user.

yep, ... sounds bit like google infrastructure development history ...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Datacenter-Computer-Introduction-Warehouse-Scale/dp/1627050094/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388052027&sr=8-1&keywords=luiz+andre+barroso
 
I think what Van is really proposing in his model is no centralized point of control at all ...  
    
 ;D 8)


Thanks for that I will do more research about it ...

BTW, just curious for my own historical research Shatoshi's original code got winsock.h heads ( BSD group) ? it's just because this topic is about internet and my first contact with "internet" outside academia, at home was via Trumpet Winsock LoL ...

   Yes, the TCP/IP full BSD node control, it gives any program the full feature set of networking APIs for program to program communication, it is very useful. Very likely compiled under Microsoft Visual Studio.

 The deeper reason that I am keeping this thread at the top is this, Bitcoin enters into it's native ecosystem thanks to Hadoop, and JavaScript.

 With the advent of asm.js the working environment for browsers becomes more powerful, responsive to full featured programs, many different business models that do not require credit cards or personal information emerges, returning the web to it's anonymous origins.

These businesses become viable.

  Pay for storage and computation over the internet using Cryptocurrency wallets for your program, service or game. The Hadoop infrastructure is designed  to work with regular hardware that is located in the computer you are using right now. This requires no
personal information, just a hash of an address to deposit your income for services rendered. Just imagine doing video rendering for someone else to play,while your away.

  Pay for services directly from your browser, need a Tech, have to schedule an impromptu team of Trades people on the fly?  Sign them up and pay for their services online before you even get home, they will be there ready to solve your problem. You can even setup payments to fix your mom's leaky roof from across the country, without having to alarm the roofer... they know they've been paid.

  Pay per play, remember the old arcades? can you imagine if one of them decided to ask you for your credit card and personal information to play... would you have played that game? That coin-op functionality has been restored! Whenever you feel like it, where ever you are you can play with a few nBTC to try out a game before you pay for full access. It is a revolution in game demos, and not just for games, word processors too!

  Pay for access, Need to fill out a report asap? but don't have access to your desktop? You need a web service to help you out in a pinch, just send the Coin, use the program, send off your report with no downloads, delays, sign-ups just type in the URL and your done.

  Pooled funding, Need to fund a powerful project of dubious proportions? Send Crypto and pool it with a million other users that support the cause, show your support financially on the fly.

  Automatic services are possible thanks to this platform, it becomes trivial for someone to create a coin-op data miner. Need to find something out fast but don't have the time to figure it out, outsource it to a Data Farm or Community. The advent of distributed jobs.

  The combination of ubiquitous access computing with cryptocurrencies makes this possible, Cash functionality for the digital age and with 3D printing popping up everywhere, you can have anything you like custom built for you. I have a dream of Decentralized Autonomous Corporations, but what about the people? We have to start somewhere, here is the advent of Decentralized Human Corporations that build on web order custom work for you from anywhere in the world, there now is no middle man, only Distributed Syndicates. All those unused tools in your shed, all that machinery sitting idle in the factory... we are bringing the customer straight to the factory, no need for someone to find customers, the web will find them for you, and you keep em coming back with your attention to detail.

  But... how can you trust that person to build a satisfactory product, what are their qualifications? Mozilla has solved that with a project called OpenBadges; I recently found out about this as I researched human proof of knowledge. An elegant solution, to reward learning accomplished from anywhere, now you can make sure that the person you are talking too really does know what they are talking about. A Resume for the Internet.

  Much of the functionality is thanks to JavaScript, unlike commonly thought JavaScript is a Lambda Calculus language... It's a modern version of Lisp, it is designed for Artificial Intelligence/Machine Learning... basically you can build a program to self-optimize if you do it right. The asm.js is an extension that fixes much of the intentional errors that are currently in JavaScript, optimizing it for maximum performance with a few twists. We will soon see the web as a self-evolving platform running on a distributed operating system. It took many years but all the computing platforms, OSX, MSW, Linux, FreeBSD, Android, Blackberry have browsers that incorporate JavaScript... there is no stopping it now. A Dynamic web for the 21st century, worthy of our technological achievements. Just compile Emscripten and begin porting your programs to Javascript for web deployment, or use your assembly to assembly compiler of choice for your preferred Programming Language.

https://github.com/kripken/emscripten (https://github.com/kripken/emscripten)

Merry Christmas! Happy Hanukkah everyone!

 

I see the internet as a living organism. It's fantastic. It just keeps on growing and evolving. When it first started people seemed to think it wouldn't be useful. But, look at it now. It's used in everyday life. Even by the older generation.

yep.

http://s21.postimg.org/jhvfvzx13/azure_nodejs_interop.png

Old cult ... but just came to my mind ...

Neo: I suppose the most obvious question is, how can I trust you?
Oracle: Bingo! It is a pickle, no doubt about it. Bad news is there's no way if you can know whether I'm really here to help you or not. So it's really up to you. You just have to make up your own d*** mind to either accept what I'm going to tell you or reject it. Candy?
Neo: Do you already know if I'm going to take it?
Oracle: Wouldn't be much of an Oracle if I didn't.
Neo: But if you already know, how can I make a choice?
Oracle: Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to understand why you made it. I thought you'd've figured that out by now.
Neo: Why are you here?
Oracle: Same reason. I love candy.
Neo: But why help us?
Oracle: We're all here to do, what we're all here to do. I'm interested in one thing, Neo, the future. And believe me, I know, the only way to get there is together.
Neo: Are there other programs like you?
Oracle: Oh, well, not like me, but...look. See those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, sunrise and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing their job, doing what they were meant to do are invisible, you'd never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, you hear about them all the time.
Neo: I've never heard of them.
Oracle: Oh, of course you have. Every time you've heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you've ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens. It's the system assimilating some program that's doing something they're not supposed to be doing.
Neo: Programs hacking programs. Why?
Oracle: They have their reasons, but usually a program chooses exile when it faces deletion.
Neo: And why would a program be deleted?
Oracle: Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it, happens all the time. And when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to the source.
Neo: The machine mainframe.

Came up with another one.

I strongly believe that we are turning the virtual world into the real world as the possibilities of what people can do rises, massive social projects become possible.

People start creating programs to help people build new things, Before we were limited by what we could do, but what if what we think is enough to change the world? not all of us are blessed with billion dollar chip foundries, but if we provide people with the software to contribute towards a project it won't matter, others can build upon their designs.

for example: If a device has to be built now, it requires someone to give you all the things you need to complete the job. Software, Experience, Q&A support, Hardware, specialist, engineers, ... if we provide the software for people to create anything it means we truly can build anything, the virtual world becomes the real world.

Next time you log into a 3D modeling website... maybe they will give you the opportunity to improve and build upon the designs that came before with a full suite of tools for you to test or aid in the design of a new product virtually.

I can see this being done for engines, consumer products, pharmaceuticals, once the product is virtually designed and built, the community can begin outsourcing it to those who can build it. We now become the Creators, Financiers, Builders, Founders of real change in the world.

It's all possible now... but with web deployment it becomes trivial to gain the help of the whole world to create something new.

Each person will contribute with what they can and with practice will come experience, with the right connections those who can build the parts can distribute not only the knowledge of how to build it but the parts themselves as a service to those who want to help test it, the technology would streamline itself overtime, till anyone could join at any level and know that they can effectively, as if in a online course, reach the point where they can do anything.