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If you've been around the cryptosphere, you've probably heard both camps on whether BTC is manipulated. Many say it's the "weak hands", others blame large institutions, while other's say it's all that MT GOX guy doing another dump? What do you think? Is it manipulated? Please include your reasoning on the matter. 

For the pin bit in the manipulation it could happen, and I think that we can see it when the price bubble happens and quickly the price can go up and back down again.

I think certain large investors are trying to manipulate the prices indeed, but whether it's really happening right now and it's successful, that is hard for me to tell. I think it's possible though

manipulations do exist, they are not as severe and controlling as some people exaggerate them to be like and also they are not as small and non existent as some others like to over correct! it is somewhere in the middle.
the bitcoin market is still pretty small and there are many with a lot of money at hand who are getting richer each time bitcoin swings up and down. they + the media have been driving the market the way they like it to for some time now. it is not a full control like what you see in altcoins pump and dumps but it is enough to make price take big hits or have big rises.

Those issues will not occur if it is not true and all of the things you mentioned are some of the reasons why bitcoin dropped its value.  Weak hands, big whales, MT. Gox they are all interrelated. The big whales creating artificial dumps to create panic in the market so that those with weak hands will sell their coins. MT Gox is dumping their coins in large volume which is eating the buy support on the exchanges.

BTC cannot be manipulated by anyone even the team Satoshi Nakamoto, it depends if there is a super rich person that can buy a big amount of bitcoin and wants to play the price he can do it.

Yeah, I think so. Some rich people has a lot of bitcoins and they can influence on the market. And they can use news for regulation price. Like Chine every year - we will ban bitcoin.)

In what I could see in the market price trend this couple months it really has the same trend which is a very controversial issue. If the manipulation of price really occur then this is very alarming issue.

Now that we have all these dirty skanky stock traders and bankers getting into cryptocurrency, market manipulation will only get worse. These @sshats have been doing the same cr@p in the stock markets for decades and now they will try the same cr@p on the crypto markets

No doubts that Bitcoin is large manipulated, but what do you expect with this low volume? One day, we will have surely bigger volume and will not be so easy to be manipulated like now, but until that we can just see the whales. Don't forget that also many big institution enter/will enter this market, also Nasdaq will launch their exchanger next month, so more volume is coming.
Mt.Gox fact it is bad, and they don't care about the market price, they just want some money back selling this large quantity of btc left.

Yeah, but there is something fishy about this....

Manipulation talks start only in bear season, nobody was talking about manipulation when bitcoin was hitting 20 000$.
And very few were talking about price manipulation while Willy was buying coins for MtGox and driving the price up, which btw, I think is the only price manipulation that was proved with facts beyond doubt.

The drama and the blame game always comes when the candles are glowing red in the charts.  ;D


Make your mind !!!

The crypto/Bitcoin market is still very small compared to Stocks, Forex, and some other investment instruments. If we compare Bitcoin market with other traditional markets it has a very small ratio. In the recent times, the big players who were in Stocks and Forex, have also started owning investment stakes in crypto/bitcoin market. Manipulations and swings can easily be done by these groups/individuals. They create FUD and frustration for people to sell bitcoins at lower rates.

We should not have any second thoughts that manipulation does not happen... It does pretty much happen probably every day for bitcoin.

You would be naive to think that there are no hands behind the scenes that control the markets, be it your traditional stock markets or the unconventional cryptocurrency market. Long before this ecosystem is swarmed by newbies and laymen, traders and deep pockets are already fighting for control on this market. Nowadays, whales have amassed a huge sum of bitcoin (which definitely you wouldn't 'see' on plain sight) that helps them in their ventures, whether deliberately crashing the market or making it look like something's up. This happens on a daily basis albeit unnoticeable due to small movements.

Simple Bump/Dump strategies are a common example of asset price manipulation. It worked in real sector, I mean in stock market, and it works well in crypto market as well. Though, here comes the issue of the assets capitalisations. The greater cryptocurrency capitalisation, the less possible its manipulation. Bitcoin remainы rather steady to any kind of rapid influence.

However, in Telegram exist many chats with pumps which are just a artless kind of fraud. Because of low capitalisation, many chat admins making great money from followers, who buy pointed in chat overpriced cryptocurrency .

I think my answer is yes. But not that totally manipulated, if you look at the market, the price of bitcoin will rise up when the demand is huge and some weak hands selling them off. There are people with huge bags of bitcoins hold it for long time even when they sell it, the price will go down but not that down. But still bitcoins price is still on the right track it has price corrections and hard forks. This proves that it can’t be totally manipulated.

manipulating bitcoin market prices I think it's a difficult thing because we know that bitcoin prices are unstable and unpredictable the certainty may be big demand than the salesperson can also make the bitcoin price go up that I think

This trend is already understandable that there are large individual who are manipulating the price in order for them to gain from the price change. This is a very controversial issue that needed to be cure as soon as possible.

People who own large quantities of Bitcoins (aka the Whales) and People who own large quantities of FIAT (aka the BANKERS)
They manipiulate.

There is indeed market manipulaton going on in bitcoin market and it's all being down by the big whales and others who want to buy bitcoins at a very low price, they want to do it with FUD and other fake news.

Yes. everything comes down to market supply - demand forces. many large institutions and affluent investors hold pretty good amount of bitcoins. they want to ensure that the market can be controlled when needed for their self interests. this happens in traditional market and will also continue in the crypto market.

if it will be manipulated may require a lot of great people. because to manipulate bitcoin requires funds that are not small in number. here we can play to get a profit whether it is manipulated or not

It is manipulated by the exchanges, just look at the price action

nothing,nothing,nothing,nothing, PUMP, nothing,nothing,nothing,DUMP,nothing,nothing,nothing,nothing...

Very artificial, no organic growth or decline, just occasional strong swings which makes those with inside info very rich by trading on leverage in right time and right direction

Everything can be called manilulated especially if we feel that the ods are against us. EVen in stocks and the whole of wall street are blamed as manipulating the exchange. However I do think personally that it can be possible given that the conditions are right ot if a considerable amount of factors are met and are done. It truly is a herculean task and there are a lot of things that affects the cryptocurrency market its probable

I think the market can be manipulated. Large holders of bitcoin can control pricew. But this needs really big amounts and only tge super rich or corporations can do this. When they earn big sell and dump the price then buy again at a lower price and do it all over again.

Yes,bitcoin has been manipulated by some people called whale but their manipulation rate can be diluted when more number of people adopted to the bitcoin system at the time the funds will be dispersed everywhere so whales may not have enough funds to dump or bump the prices.But we can't say the manipulation happening always because when we see the price chart there is some look like movements in between years so this means this called as natural price movements too.

I think every coin price other than bitcoin is also manipulated. because it is not possible the price can go up and get down that fast. but I also do not know for sure whether the price is really maipulasi or not. but I think so.
it's just that we do not participate in it, just know the price is very volatile that resulted in many people like me assume if the price of bitcoin in manipulation.

Yes market manipulation happens in bitcoin . It can happen by rich people having alot of bitcoin and dumping it when price reaching high which will crash the market

The largest use case for bitcoin, is now, and has always been speculation. Markets that primarily revolve and exist around speculation are always massively manipulated. Bitcoin’s value isn’t based on purchasing power or a vibrant mercantile economy. Anyone that tells you that’s true has their head squarely shoved up their ass.

The truth is, trading bots can take the public information about where all the trade orders are standing above and below the markets, and they can precisely calculate how much money is needed to push the market just far enough to cause these standing orders to get executed and then they calculate exactly how much money is required to push the market just far enough the other direction to cause the next wave of orders to get hit. Knowing the range and depth where orders are placed, trading bots intentionally soak huge profits from small price moves because they activate thousands of small orders that are placed by naive, inexperienced small traders.

Everyone using this forum has heard of trading whales. These are not evil sinister individuals hell bent on the destruction of all that you hold dear. They are corporations, coops, and major investors (like the winklevoss twins) that are holding massive amounts of btc. If these people choose to trade btc “on-book” they are going to cause massive price swings and manipulate the market.

So, is there market manipulation? Of course there is!

Is it evil and destructive for bitcoin? It makes no sense for the major players to hurt bitcoin. They stand to lose a hell of a lot more than you and I do by over manipulation of the market. That’s why many huge exchanges of bitcoin happen “off-book”.

That was also in my mind those people who can afford to have a huge amount they can manipulate the market price movement, just like big politicians or people who rich enough to play their money in bitcoin and earned just go with the flow of the whale in the bitcoin.
So, manipulation probably happens in bitcoin through price only not by the entire bitcoin.

Group of whales are the most common involve with this kind of manipulations.

This happens not only in Bitcoin but also other altcoins but its pretty obvious specially from alts.

there is a serious manipulation. especially countries and excellence. because bitcoin is a danger to many centers.
some major investors are impacting negatively in order to gain.

The main issue with Bitcoin right now is that in the grand scheme of things, it's still a very small market. This means it is easier to manipulate either intentionally or inadvertently by spreading certain kind of news or even your own trading actions. The solution is wider adoption so that more people are buying and selling and one particular whale can't have such a big effect on the price. Not sure that will happen with Bitcoin, but it's bound to happen with at least one of the cryptocoins sometime, probably sooner rather than later.

It is right that market manipulation happens in bitcoin.   Many people ,large institutions and affluent investors hold pretty good amount of bitcoins,they want to ensure that the market can be controlled when needed for their self interests. This happens in traditional market and will also continue . Again many time this happens not only bitcoin but also other coin.

Yes, with a comparatively high amount of money is enough to manipulate the crypto market because users and investors are still not matured on a mass level so even a little price fall or rise can create turbulence in the market resulting in a panic selling or buying. There is one thing to notice about capital, one can manipulate the market even with the 20 to 30% market capital so that's how immature market is dangerous for us.

Manipulation occurred in 2013. This price manipulation is done by two bots and is listed as "??" in the user's country. They named this bot "Markus" and "Willy".

Markus buys and sells bitcoins at seemingly random prices and does not pay for transaction fees. After further examination, Markus does not actually pay for Bitcoin received. Markus earns 335,889 bitcoins and is active from February 14, 2013 through September 27, 2013.

Seven hours after Markus becomes inactive, Willy appears with 49 accounts. Each of these Willy accounts sequentially purchases bitcoins worth US $ 2.5 million and then becomes inactive. During this period, bitcoin prices soared.

Dilution won't happen if the whales dump and then pump as they are just regaining their coins and also making a profit out of those dumps. It is actually the exact opposite happening, where newbies in trading are losing their coins in panic sells, and the smart ones are just hodling and accumulating.

An somewhat even distribution will not happen in decades or maybe never.
There will always be whales, and unfortunately for those desiring some fresh blubber  ;D,  it's impossible to get rid of them. BTC is the ultimate store of value after all, isn't it?

I think market manipulation is possible. Perhaps, this is were regulation should come in? When a thousand people own half of the outstanding bitcoin and with this such massive concentration, it's very easy for insiders to manipulate the currency for their own benefit.

I think the bitcoin price is being manipulated, by some who want to buy more bitcoin at a cheaper price. should we already know if the bitcoin price is in manipulation, because the price is too volatile and difficult to control. it can make investors who hold bitcoin more, can control the bitcoin price easily.

I think yes bitcoin price is being manipulated, by whales and infuential people, they releasing fake news to make the investors sell thier bitcoin and make the price decrease, when the price get decrease they buy alot of bitcoin and wait until the price gets rise again, i thnk in that way many whales get alot of profit.

in my opinion bitcoin market does not manipulate the price, it all depends on bad news that attack bitcoin so as to make bitcoin price becomes very cheap and bitcoin price experience of carelessness

need proof if this is indeed a price manipulation done by a large group but it is very difficult to prove it in definite data, it seems "common secret" is the most appropriate word to symbolize the circumstances. About dump or pump I am sure there is no one person or groups who want to lose money

Bitcoin manipulation do exist, it is true that large-scale investors have in fact manipulated the cryptocurrency market and if it has been the futures market that affected the price of bitcoin over the past years, it is completely legal to do so and it remains unclear whether similar manipulation strategies can be prevented in the long-term.

I won’t say that its impossible, and I am willing to say that it is still plausible and very much a possibility that bitcoin or the cryptocurrency market can be affected by a lot of the external factors that can saturate the market. However dor this to push through it would really be a source of mass manipulation and a good understanding of the cryptocurrency market. Its such a high stakes right now and this is about trust.

It's a open secret that whales are trying to manipulate the Bitcoin market, but we need time and unity to fight them.

There are individuals who own tens of thousands (some hundreds of thousands) of bitcoin’s so of course the market is & can be manipulated, yes.

All markets are manipulated by whales, governments etc.

We, as the small people just have to hope we come out on the right end of their manipulation.

Now a days people are earning by short BTC  trade with leverage, People are making money in USD weather btc go up or down.  Biggest part of money comes from financial institutions.

I totally agree with you. Large scale investors and pump and dump groups along with the influence of media and renowned personalities are the key items that affect and determine the price trend.

Yes we need to be strong and not being in a weak hands when manipulation is present. I believe manipulation is existing that mostly whales enjoying to buy cheap bitcoin at a low price. So we need to hold and I believe price will recover and we can gain profit.

The market is still very young and easy to manipulate. I think large investors will not deny themselves such an opportunity. The cost of the whole market at 300-400 kk $ is not that much. Moreover, there is no clear legislation for crypto-currencies.

If the stock exchange that is regulated by the government itself can be manipulated by some organized people what more is the bitcoin price that is deregulated and decentralized. Bitcoin price is susceptible to this kind of manipulation although it is volatile in nature but the bubble that its created last year was very suspicious and it was unusual to jump the price from  $7,300 November 2017 to  $17,900 on December 15, 2017. This is really clear that bitcoin price manipulation is happening. I'm must admit that my few bitcoin holdings increased because of this. I'm just playing their dirty games to my own advantage though.

Bitcoin can not be manipulated, because if you look at the market, bitcoin prices will go up when demand is huge so anyone can do it but bitcoin prices are still on the right track with price corrections and hard fork ...

I think it can be, but when bitcoin prices are still cheap can be manipulated by people who have a lot of money, but if now when bitcoin prices are much higher, I think people will think again to manipulate bitcoin market prices.

yes, it all comes down to the supply of the market - the demand for troops. then many big institutions or big investors have the best bitcoin. they want to be right that the market should be controlled wherever necessary for their benefit. may occur in traditional markets or will continue in the crypto markets.

I believe the Bitcoin market manipulated is in order to regulate things that is if it is truely being manipulated by anything apart from normal market features that are responsible for the ups and down in prices of market comodities of which bitcoin is being seeing as a business and fall under that category. thanks

the bitcoin currency is actually manipulated, it is true that high-scale investors are due to have already cultivated cryptocurrency markets or have become futures markets, because bitcoin prices in the last few years, it really becomes legal, then to do still it is clear what similar manipulating strategies can be prevented in the long run or short.

I am very sure if MTGOX is a manipulation, which may be all the assets in it just disappear without a trace. But for the market now I think is still within normal limits, the price will be influenced many things as well. I think for the best market currently only bitfinex.

Those who manipulate the market are doing it to gain something otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. But with the MT GOX, I fail to see his endgame about the whole thing. But i do believe in the market manipulation going on it's mostly the people with deep pockets who are always doing that.

but you have to remember, bitcoin prices had fallen sharply when MTGOX claims that their market has been hacked. I think it's not just bad news, but also a reduction in the amount of bitcoin in circulation. I do not know where the bitcoin is now. That is including how to manipulate the market. And they did it.

Yup market is being manipulated by what they called WHALES in trading industry. They have the control because they hold most BTC or other crypto currency. What we need to do is to be in their system so that we can also profit. PATIENCE still our best armor don't loose it.

Have you ever heard of whales? Oh yeah right, it's been mentioned over and over again! Yes, Bitcoin is being manipulated. Yes, big names are behind this manipulation. Yes, we are only having a taste of bits and pieces of Bitcoin compared to these whales. But hey, we're still earning aren't we? So why should we even complain? 😉

Is this a whales game?
then how much money does someone have in order to become whales?
and how big is the influence of whales on other bitcoiner?
and when is this whales ready to go?

Yes both the big whales and weak hands work at the same time causing bitcoin price to fall.And now,with nt gox trustee going to sell the 8,000 bitcoins,definitely it would have a negative impact over bitcoin price.

Yes, Bitcoin sometimes is not as free as we may want to imagine, there are a number of influential persons out there with an ability to change the directions of the Bitcoin prices and take advantage of it, sometimes they do and the cost of the coin slumps, that's just whats happening to the market no

Price manipulation can only be done by an Exchanger. They do not have coins, but they can sell coins belonging to their users. Therefore we must be careful and smart in choosing Exchangers.

Of course, the market in 2018 has had a strange activity, every time that BTC reaches the value of 10k, it drops back to 7.5k. I believe in the theory that there are Whales that have so much money in BTC that they can influence the value of this and all the others cryptocurrencies. They have the advantage, every day they are richer.

How can we face them?

Market manipulation is a domino effect. Big whales and MT Gox will dump it for a certain percentage while weak hands will do the big dumping. Its good to learn from experience because most of the time, newbie suffers from this manipulation.

i think MT Gox is not only the reason behind falling price of bitcoin. Any peoples who have huge amount of bitcoin can manipulated the price.
they just dump their coins, and wait the market to panic and selling, then they buy back from the panic seller.

The price of bitcoin will rise up when the demand is huge and some weak hands selling them off. There are people with huge bags of bitcoins hold it for long time even when they sell it, the price will go down but not that down. But still bitcoins price is still on the right track it has price corrections and hard forks

Bitcoine prices is susceptible to this kind of manipulation although it is volatile of nature.Its really clear that bitcoine price manipulation is happening. I think, people will think again to manipulate bitcoine market prices.

For sure yes, and suppose it will be till capitalization wouldn't get hired in 3-5 times or more
how just with big money))

The price is resisting above the $ 6700 level, which means that a corrective wave will follow the recent decline.
I also think this decline forced due to influences beyond the usual supply and demand "Bad news or regulatory action."
Will the price remain in this range? I do not think so but "every session has a different discussion."

There are a lot of things you have to look out for before investing in anything and the same goes for Bitcoin. At the moment the demand for Bitcoin is up and there are a lot of investors eager to buy. However, several bans and fraudulent individuals have caused some hindrance. It makes little more sense to buy now since Bitcoin is down my estimate is that it will go up by the end of the year or at least in few years time. Overall, with investing you just have to know not to put all eggs in one basket Bitcoin might seem to be going up but it's not the only currency on the market. Read up before you invest and your intuition will never go wrong.

i dont think someone can manipulate bitcoin price as it will need billion to move the market up and down so far. most of the reason bitcoin was falling down was because of the banned by some countrys and also because to many fud story about bitcoin.

I've heard that at the beginning of bitcoin occurrence there is manipulation, that's what causes the bitcoin price increase at first,

there is no need to resist them, just buy below 6500 and become richer. whales are also wrong and sometimes very much.

manipulations do exist, as per experts...you can find more info on bitcoin manipulation at https://www.globaltechinsights.com/ast-years-bitcoin-prices-were-mmanipulated/ (https://www.globaltechinsights.com/ast-years-bitcoin-prices-were-mmanipulated/)

then how do you explain all those times when price was pushed down within minutes by unloading a large amount of bitcoin on the market. for example when a couple of big sell orders go through practically pushing the price down and only to a point where the support lies so that it is broken not any more. the market does the rest.

your wrong OP because crypto currency is so good for many users this past 10 years

you can leave if your experience here is not good so just think before you post

good or bad better to always find a way to earn here and not think bad

There's too many reasons to look for with these manipulations but if you don't want to stay independent just work for yourself by buying if the market goes down.It really does not only to bitcoin market.

Crypto is not safe when we are talking about manipulations, it begins with banks and financial institutions then go further inside stocks and forex, same concepts with crytpo those who knows how to play with people's emotions can manipulate the trade and the value of every coins inside the market, we can't avoid them so better to learn how to play with them.

I am sorry mate but i need to disagree with you. Bitcoin and any other coins can be manipulated with what above mentions ealier. Big whales and those bigtime investors can manipulate the dumping and punping of the prices because their holdings can affect more on the market. As we all know that the prices will always be depends on the demands and if one of them withdraw their holdings then definitely the most affected is the block market.

Intersting to know that Bitcoin getting manipulated and around 91% people are saying that its true. But how come multi billion dollars coins can be manipulated so easily. There might be whales doing that but it will literally take group of whales altogether making the prices move up and down.
Bitcoin market if getting manipulated then I am pretty sure people like us who make small investment can get benefited if worked properly. For example, if they are manipulating it then surely they will dump at some time to have more coins and then later will pump it when they wanna profit. We just need to slip in during this period and be patient about it.  :D

Nothing surprising about this if you think about it. Bitcoin and altcoins are manipulated by whales on a regular basis and it is quite easy to notice that, but it is not necessarily bad as you stated since this is what contributes to the volatility of this cryptocurrency market. This can be beneficial to investors since it presents opportunities to earn huge profits in both the short term and the long term. This is why I don't usually mind these things and go about my business trying to sell my coins and tokens at the right moment. Its all about the timing in this market.

I also think so, when there are huge resources to easily manipulate prices.News is also easy to manipulate prices.

yes, of course this is a bitcoin market price manipulation, some people control the bitcoin market, like whales and also some people of the elite of china.

the weak just follow the flow, and survive, if it cannot survive then he will drown and lose.

there were lots of other factors that affects the value of bitcoin , not just whales, bankers , news, but also fuds and speculation as well as demand and supply can also make a change.

 the only way to survive a manipulation is to keep calm and think properly on whether you need to sell or buy. if  the manipulation is in a dip phase , then i think it is always a good idea to buy some coins as addition to your current holdings but if the manipulation is in pump phase , the youd better sell some of your coins in order to make a quick profit . although it is still recomended to wait a little more , so that the coins can fully achieved their peak price.

Each investment has it's own restriction and it depends to the investor on how long he's going through with the chosen investment. Going with what they are doing and taking advantage of it is what a small investor can do with this manipulation, you are going with their dip but they are also pumping it, you're together with them too.

why wouldn't it be ?? Considering the facts that there is no regulation and human greed, I would be surprised if it turned out that BTC is not being manipulated LOL

I think this is because of the dumps of big investors, as well as fuds to compel also to sell "weak hands". We do not blame them because they are afraid of losing their investment. Hopefully, there will be no market manipulation for us to see again the good progress of bitcoins that the price goes up.

I agree that manipulation do occur in Bitcoin price but not extreme as people exaggerates, one must be super rich to be able to manipulate the price of Bitcoin.

Newbie here, is G20's meeting also considered a market manipulation strategy just like the future's market? I heard about the future's market being a manipulation also.

The bitcoin market is easily manipulated, because the price depends on the demand there is not determined by anything. Actually this is a real risk we cannot hide, everyone will obviously know if he is careful. But the first factor to remember, cryptocurrency market manipulation will not be harmful if we have a target, I mean our target never leads to greed, we will stop if our targets have been achieved so sell what we have and return when the lowest price. If the market has a prolonged downtrend, we have a simple reason to stay here, where whales will come back when the price is low. Manipulation is useful for people who understand the cryptocurrency market.

Saya pikir manipulasi harga penting untuk menarik pembeli, dan ini akan terjadi pada semua jenis investasi, perjudian, atau perdagangan. Triknya sangat mudah, paus akan menghabiskan banyak uang untuk sesuatu yang mereka promosikan atau mereka jual dan ketika orang terpikat untuk bergabung, paus akan melompat keluar untuk mengambil keuntungan mereka....

I also sometimes believe that bitcoin is controlled by market manipulation and there is some reason behind the price decline of the bitcoin and altcoin market but I never understand that how they took the price from ATH to this level but that would be interesting to know that how the people manipulate the price for their financial gains and then leave the market red. Also I don't believe that it is not a group of people as grouped movements are not possible in crypto world.

Price manipulation? Yes. But not completely manipulated. Those who manipulate that price have in fact created extraordinary market activity. The created activity denied that bitcoin etc. has any interest and will not die.
If you look at the market, bitcoin prices will rise when demand is huge and some weak hands sell it. There are people with big bitcoin bags that hold it for a long time even when they sell it, the price will go down but not down. But bitcoin prices are still on the right track with price corrections and hard forks. This proves that it can not be completely manipulated.
We just enjoy this market movement do not be rash and do not be afraid.

There is no any manipulation in bitcoin market because the market value only depends on the demand that they received  in the market. The supporters dictates what will be the price.

I'm damn near certain that it is happening as I personally have manipulated shitcoins in the past. Frankly the only reason that I did so with shitcoins is because those were simply the ones I could afford to do so with. And If I was willing and able to do so with them (I am not rich btw) then I'm certain that it is only a matter of means for someone to do so with the larger coins even BTC. Likely it is by no means all of those with the means but enough to make the difference.

With that said I'm not one to think that the recent price action can be completely attributed to these actors but to some extent it must be subject to their influence simply because it can be.

But thats like, my opinion man.

yes only big investor who have huge amount of btc  that types of or group of people partially can manipulate the market . but not all coin .

It is manipulated by huge whales. This is the reason it goes down without any reason at all and withoutany news that makes some people panics sell.

Sometimes we can see that a news in other countries make the prices really goes down. When someone banned crypto in their country due to the potential threat or when the government make a sudden rule.

But what if the whales does not exist and  it is just the owner who really hold a lot and just manipulating a lot?

In real circumstances trading is not pure zero sum game. Exchanges fees, mining, hacking attacks, hardforks and fraud make this market unpredictable by game theory models.

I think to a certain extent Bitcoin is manipulated, but what else do you expect with this low volume? May be One day, we will have surely bigger volume and will not be so easy to be manipulated like now, but until that we can just see the whales. Don't forget that also many big institution enter/will enter this market, also Nasdaq will launch their exchanger next month, so more volume is coming.
Mt.Gox fact it is bad, and they don't care about the market price, they just want some money back selling this large quantity of btc left.

Spoofing and wash trading, both of which involve creating false orders to create the impression of genuine market activity. Tethers may have been used to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

Theoretically, it is possible to manipulate the crypto-currency market. This means that certain individuals and groups will always be able to agree on joint actions with the aim of extracting profits for themselves in order to influence the situation on the market. We have more than once seen the concerted actions associated with raising, or lowering the rate of bitcoin. Therefore, the current situation may well be the result of this manipulation.

It aint Mt Gox Trustee...havent you heard the news?  http://bitcoinist.com/mt-gox-bitcoin-whale-trustee-wont-sell-btc/

"The key takeaway is that the Mt. Gox Trustee, Nobuaki Kobayashi, won’t sell any more bitcoin — at least for the foreseeable future until the creditors are reimbursed in bitcoin sometime early to mid-2019, according to Tokyo-based Bloomberg reporter Yuji Nakamura.‏"

Manipulation of BTC price is being done by big investors . They are  trying to trap small investors but compelling them to do panic sell as BTC price are continuously fallinf since a long time.

controls do exist, they are not as serious and controlling as a few people misrepresent them to resemble and furthermore they are not as little and non existent as some others get a kick out of the chance to over right! it is some place in the center.

the bitcoin advertise is still really little and there are numerous with a ton of cash nearby who are getting more extravagant each time bitcoin swings here and there. they + the media have been driving the market the way they like it to for quite a while. it's anything but a full control like what you see in altcoins pump and dumps however it is sufficient to influence cost to endure big cheeses or have enormous ascents.

sometimes they do this if the price is not moving to anywhere but if the market still active, I am not sure that they can move the price because there will be many people which want to buy and sell bitcoin. small investors cannot do anything and they only can follow the price goes and if they think that they can take the profit, I am sure that they will get the profit while they can.

Yes, I believe that these whale investors were the ones manipulating the btc price value in the crypto market. The are dictating the crypto market where they will make a scenario that can make an impact to bitcoin resulting to a bearish market where people tend to panic and sell btc at lower price.  With this, whales also will then buy as many btc during bear market and hold again until such time it will recover.

Of course it is "Cant beat them join them" ok so do you think the Bankers lets just say the big guns are going to sit back and watch as Blockchain technology that they know works well takes over or that people are walking away from traditional banks and investing in cryptocurrency no they are not so they will invest large amounts of fiat to manipulate pump and dump when they choose also Countries as a whole like China who own a large % of the worlds BTC can also do the same. Whales will also do the same so the answer is yes.

I don't think it is generally manipulated. However, the fact is that the majority of Bitcoin shares are owned by a few people only. These are the whales. So whatever decision these whales do, the market will definitely get affected. This is the effect of the limited circulation of the coin. However, the road that Bitcoin is treading is going to a point in which the total supply of Bitcoin is going to be widely owned by a larger population of the world. At this point, there will be no manipulation anymore.

I know that there are some instances that the market is manipulated. Some huge whales are making it look like the market is alive or crashing or it's just really the true state of the market. I do believe though that banks have something to do when there is a sudden crash where sometimes we lost B30 very quick.

That's a very bad thing for everyone by doing it that way. we should be more careful. Very harmful.

yes you are right where bitcoin exchanges are so full of price manipulation it is controlled by whales who have very much trading capital so bitcoin and some other coin prices have a very horrible movement.

Who knows. Maybe it's really manipulative, maybe not. Nobody will tell you for sure. But there is such a feeling, that's for sure.

Market manipulation takes place with every commodity, not just BTC. There are activities of this kind. What is so-called spoofing, a process where traders artificially create demand that would otherwise not exist. It is an infringement that consists of entering into transactions with the intent to omit such a trade at the last moment.

Yeah, some big investors and bitcoin holder trying to spread rumors about bitcoin so the weak hands sell their bitcoins cheap. And then they buy from these weak hands. And when those big investors fill their bags bitcoin fill fly again.

Yeah. I think manipulation is indeed happening. Big whales create false buy orders to lure others to get in Bitcoin with the view to controling the market price so as to earn profit by actually selling. This action is called spoofing. As far as I know, not long ago,the US Department of Justice (DOJ) reportedly launched a criminal investigation to determine if big money traders are manipulating the prices of Bitcoin, Ether and possibly other cryptocurrencies.

i think some people that invested so much in the bitcoin is trying to manipulate this.

Investors who own a large amount of Bitcoin may be concerned with spoofing and wash trading to manipulate bitcoin as well as other coin's price. Spoofing is known as the action of creating false buy orders to attract other to get in with the intention to raise coin's price and then actually sell coins for profit. Wash trading, similarly, happens when someone simultaneously sells and buys to create false demand and supply, meant to make it appear as if an asset has more trade volume than it really does.

I'm of the opinion that not only Bitcoin but cryptocurrency markets are prone to manipulation. Obviously, massive price swings make it possible to steer valuations. Moreover, a lack of strong regulations on crypto exchanges is favorable for fraudster to commit frauds. So investors and governments should be on the look out for Bitcoin and other coins price manipulation.

The market has a lot of influence on Bitcoin, you see, there are so many influences on it, some rich people have a lot of bitcoin and they can influence the market.

just as little sparks can burn and destroy large buildings though.
maybe that's what naturally in bitcoin there is currently manipulating the price with little movement and the others follow it.

So many influential people that can influence the market of cryptocurrency, they manipulate with the large fund they are holding to have a much gain at the end..

Manipulators are, as a rule, people and organizations that have significant financial resources (investment funds, company owners, single major players, and so on). In rare cases, these are people who have good opportunities in the field of information dissemination. The market of bitcoins is controlled by whales - people whose wallets are concentrated most of the bitcoins. they are a problem for investors, since selling even a small part of bitcoins can ruin the market, and the higher the value of the crypto currency, the more real this situation is.

true most people depends on what others do also specially on what they can actually see for it, we see that if you manipulate the market there is some side effects on it that can affect on how you look for bitcoin, try to stay calm even that there is some little movement on it.

This is already happening in the Crypto market, we have to be smarter and more careful in acting, do not be easily influenced issues. sometimes because we are easily panicked, the decisions we take are wrong.

Big whales have the power to manipulate the principal markets. For altcoins it came like everytime, developers wanna pump the price and manipulate the market so place and fill a lot of orders hoping that people will fud and follow the trend. Its a common gear in crypto and traditional finance too.

Yes, crypto market seems manipulated to some extent as far as I felt as followed crypto trends for around 1 year, and I think every type of existing market in current world is always associated with some manipulations whether it is large corporate bodies, politicians, traders, and other large groups.

i dont think the market has being manipulated cause it need billion of dollars to move the market up and down on bitcoin. so it will not reasonable just to throw a lot of money just to move the market to down. it will just make he loses if doing it.

I think that maybe there are many people that have much of bitcoin so they don't have a problem to manipulate the price because they can do that without a problem. and maybe in the last year, they really make a lot of money from bitcoin and now they can make the price is up and down. but I think although they can do this easily, they cannot do this for everyday because like or not, they still depend on the supply and demand that is happening in the market.

In my opinion bitcoin price as manipulated but not all the time,  sometimes when the whales would have some kind of agenda, they will interrupt the way off market and manipulate the price, other days, market just flows according the laws of economy.

Bitcoin market may be manipulate. But bitcoin prices are always depends upon the market demands.market has lot of influence.

That manipulation happens is easy to understandable. Even in stock markets which governments impose strict laws on, price manipulation still exist, not to mention the cryptocurency markets which lack strong regulation.

I think that the price today and further will fluctuate in the corridor of 6,2-6,4 thousand dollars, while the market will recover after the next hacking of the exchange

most of the manipulation techniques do not require regulation or lack thereof. they instead require a small market with a thin orderbook so that they can have a big influence on it by having a smaller amount of money.

Yes there can be manipulations, I do not know what to call them, can't tell if the manipulators have a club, and they will just secretly relay signals to buy or sell and it will just tell on the price of BTC, although in the future, this will be absolutely impossible as good institutional funds flow into the market.

The whales are going to fuck you - that you can be sure.  Just wait around long enough and you will lose all your money because whales are manipulating everything.  It's called: 'gettin' fucked by the man'

Btc market can not be manipulated. Its a global market. Manipulating btc market is very difficult.

Btc market can't be manipulated. Even Satosi Nakamoto can't .

Well this is already happens in some places. But we need to be more concerned about the market.

Well it can be manipulated by some super rich people or powerful organisation. If their buying and selling procedure are odd. 

Definitely manipulated by whales and i now believe its only going to get worse with major investors entering the cryptosphere such as Soros etc just today there was a clear manipulation with pump and then dump lure false hope then dump on them.

I do not think so, how could the exchanges manipulate prices, while many exchanges are out there, do they work together?
maybe that can play price just big players or big investors but they can not manipulate it, it's in my opinion and btc may not be manipulated

yes' the price of bitcoin in my opinion also can not be manipulated, and for example there is an increase and fall of the bitcoin price it may be just the market needs only, and with negative news leading to bitcoin, it could lower the price of bitcoin, investors, or new traders who are afraid to lose more a lot of their money that causes them to panic and sell some bitcoin they have.

Bitcoin market is a pretty huge market for manipulation and a single person can never manipulate it that's for sure. So it can be a group of big whales or institutions manipulating the price or it can also be the rumours that are spread very quickly in the social media that affects the bitcoin price pretty badly sometimes.

No questions that Bitcoin is huge controlled, however what do you expect with this low volume? Multi day, we will have unquestionably greater volume and won't be so natural to be controlled like now, yet until the point that that we can simply observe the whales. Remember that additionally numerous huge foundation enter/will also yield more volume.

indeed it is manipulating bitcoin prices. The bitcoin price rose to nearly US $ 20,000 (approximately Rp 270 million) in December 2017 from the bitcoin price in early 2017 below US $ 1,000 (about Rp 13.5 million). On Wednesday June 13, 2018, the world's first and most popular cryptocurrency had lost more than half its value, which traded near $ 6,252 (approximately Rp 85 million) according to CoinDesk.

Both companies related to the issuance of virtual currency, Bitfinex and Tether, have been the cause of concern for some circles of the cryptocurrency industry.

It's very difficult to manipulate Bitcoin on the market because the fact that Bitcoin is owned by different people.
Unless maybe Bitcoin is owned by companies that number thousands.

if the number of Bitocoin hundreds is still difficult to manipulate the market.

Sure the huge whales and also vulnerable palms perform concurrently creating bitcoin value to be able to tumble. Now, together with no gox trustee planning to promote the particular 8, 000 bitcoins, absolutely it could use an unfavorable influence above bitcoin value.

Control of bitcoin do exist, the facts demonstrate that huge scale financial specialists have in reality controlled the digital currency showcase and on the off chance that it has been the prospects advertise that influenced the cost of bitcoin over the previous years, it is totally legitimate to do as such and it stays hazy whether comparable control systems can be counteracted in the long haul.

Even until now, there is still possibility bitcoin and the entire crypto market is being manipulated by the whales of crpytocurrency.
I suspecting the first manipulation has been occurred in when the SEC delayed their decision about bitcoin ETF.

weak players give their money more strong is the nature of business and any market and so is our world

Nonsense.  A few thousand "weak hands"  that own well less than 1 BTC arent what is causing the market to be so destabilized.  BTC is currently down to $6,346 when it was just $7,300 yesterday.  What do you wanna bet Mt. Gox Trustee is dumping BTC onto the market!

This would be impossible when good institutional funds flow into the market. I do not think so, how can trading floors manipulate prices, while many exchanges are done there, do they work together?

Yes, we have a lot of manipulation in the crypto currency market. Pumping and dumping of prices, news background...

   BTC approaching to one of the most important levels of the whole chart. Moving into the uptrend channel while facing a key horizontal support at 6,800$. Afterwards comes a monthly and heavy downtrend resistance around 7,000$. Time to pay attention.
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