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Title: . Post by: senseless on December 30, 2013, 01:46:45 AM .
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 01:55:36 AM Great work!
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: jjiimm_64 on December 30, 2013, 02:04:53 AM Thank you for this.. this will make it handy for my lawyer. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: midnightmagic on December 30, 2013, 02:11:26 AM For other lazier people, you might want to link the "Contradict's Simon's postings from august." comment with the specific post where Simon wrote about it earlier.
We should probably pull website archives with the changing ToS now in the event they fiddle with robots.txt and make it less accessible for us plebs. (Edit) Oh, and a full bitcointalk message archive would go a long way towards detecting history-edits too. A good in-browser one with search capabilities is Zotero. I prefer that over just doing MAFF type archives. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: jjiimm_64 on December 30, 2013, 02:31:03 AM For other lazier people, you might want to link the "Contradict's Simon's postings from august." comment with the specific post where Simon wrote about it earlier. We should probably pull website archives with the changing ToS now in the event they fiddle with robots.txt and make it less accessible for us plebs. (Edit) Oh, and a full bitcointalk message archive would go a long way towards detecting history-edits too. A good in-browser one with search capabilities is Zotero. I prefer that over just doing MAFF type archives. Done. All of this needs to be recorded as they could just delete every single message they've ever made. If someone can catalog all of this information, would appreciate it. My brain is tired from hours of parsing bullshit and lies. Is it possible for a moderator to lock or somehow prevent any deletions? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Transisto on December 30, 2013, 03:21:04 AM Dec 27 : Send the following email accompanied with the list of all their customers email address as CC.
Quote 3PM PST (GMT-8), DECEMBER 27TH, 2013 Dear Customers, Our apologies for not communicating more often these past days. We have been going all-out on production in order to ship Batch 1 units by December 31. We have enough GN chips in hand for all Batch 1 orders. We also have enough hardware (boxes, cooling systems, power supplies, etc.) on hand for all batch 1 orders. We are in the final stages of production. Our initial modules (Rev 0) had reliability issues due to the PCB layout (Printed Circuit Boards). We received Rev 2 PCBs this morning and they are currently being assembled. We expect these rev2 PCBs to work well, and to begin bulk production and be on track to ship batch 1 orders December 31. The remaining steps (assembling the modules into the Sierra or Baby Jet chassis, packaging and shipping) are quick and generally very predictable process. Please know we are doing everything possible to get you your orders as soon as we can. We will update you with our progress as it happens. Stay tuned to Twitter and our HashFast Blog for the most up to date news. Many Thanks & Happy Holidays, The HashFast Team Dec 29 : Send the following email without even warning us about / apologizing for the previous private information leakage. Quote Hi Everyone, We will be kicking off Batch 1 shipments in the next few days. Stay tuned for more updates from HashFast engineering on twitter. Batch 1 customers who would like to initiate a voluntary refund request, can do so by sending the following information to: refunds@hashfast.com. Please note this is a request only and not a guarantee of refund eligibility. As orders were priced in USD, refunds will be issued in the equivalent amount of USD. If a refund is to be paid in BTC, the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund will be used to calculate the amount of BTC to be refunded. Batch 1 Order number Product & Quantities for your order. If you have multiple orders please group by order number. Full Name Shipping Address Method of Payment (wire transfer, direct BTC transfer, bitpay) Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund. Next, our customer service team will deliver you the necessary documents to complete the refund request, which you will need to sign and return to us. Please direct questions regarding this process and items 1-6 to sales@hashfast.com Subject line: REFUND QUESTION. ONLY EMAIL refunds@hashfast.com if you are sure you want to request a refund and can provide the information specified in #1-5 above plus your confirmation to #6 also above. We hope everyone is enjoying the holidays. Again please visit us on twitter for the latest HashFast engineering updates. Happy Holidays! The HashFast Team Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: RickJamesBTC on December 30, 2013, 03:26:00 AM Did they really not BCC everyone? wtf.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Transisto on December 30, 2013, 03:32:01 AM Did they really not BCC everyone? wtf. No, all hashfast customer emails were leaked. If the users had gmail addresses you could scroll over their address in gmail to get their name, work, schooling, etc. This was in violation of their privacy policy and they did not notify customers via email of the leak (Which i'm pretty sure is in violation of law in US and elsewhere). I don't know what they're playing, it seems they're doing everything to stir shit. I'm getting scarred not to get my stuff delivered before some mad man blow a fuse on them. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: thomas_s on December 30, 2013, 03:32:47 AM Dec 27 : Send the following email accompanied with the list of all their customers email address as CC. They also sent out an email today to non customers saying that they are about to ship so purchase now before the prices get raised.Quote 3PM PST (GMT-8), DECEMBER 27TH, 2013 Dear Customers, Our apologies for not communicating more often these past days. We have been going all-out on production in order to ship Batch 1 units by December 31. We have enough GN chips in hand for all Batch 1 orders. We also have enough hardware (boxes, cooling systems, power supplies, etc.) on hand for all batch 1 orders. We are in the final stages of production. Our initial modules (Rev 0) had reliability issues due to the PCB layout (Printed Circuit Boards). We received Rev 2 PCBs this morning and they are currently being assembled. We expect these rev2 PCBs to work well, and to begin bulk production and be on track to ship batch 1 orders December 31. The remaining steps (assembling the modules into the Sierra or Baby Jet chassis, packaging and shipping) are quick and generally very predictable process. Please know we are doing everything possible to get you your orders as soon as we can. We will update you with our progress as it happens. Stay tuned to Twitter and our HashFast Blog for the most up to date news. Many Thanks & Happy Holidays, The HashFast Team Dec 29 : Send the following email without even warning us about / apologizing for the previous private information leakage. Quote Hi Everyone, We will be kicking off Batch 1 shipments in the next few days. Stay tuned for more updates from HashFast engineering on twitter. Batch 1 customers who would like to initiate a voluntary refund request, can do so by sending the following information to: refunds@hashfast.com. Please note this is a request only and not a guarantee of refund eligibility. As orders were priced in USD, refunds will be issued in the equivalent amount of USD. If a refund is to be paid in BTC, the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund will be used to calculate the amount of BTC to be refunded. Batch 1 Order number Product & Quantities for your order. If you have multiple orders please group by order number. Full Name Shipping Address Method of Payment (wire transfer, direct BTC transfer, bitpay) Confirmation that you understand USD order totals that were originally paid with BTC can be refunded in BTC at the USD to BTC market exchange rate on the date of refund. Next, our customer service team will deliver you the necessary documents to complete the refund request, which you will need to sign and return to us. Please direct questions regarding this process and items 1-6 to sales@hashfast.com Subject line: REFUND QUESTION. ONLY EMAIL refunds@hashfast.com if you are sure you want to request a refund and can provide the information specified in #1-5 above plus your confirmation to #6 also above. We hope everyone is enjoying the holidays. Again please visit us on twitter for the latest HashFast engineering updates. Happy Holidays! The HashFast Team Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: plasmoske on December 30, 2013, 03:39:45 AM You guys should probably save down all the stuff they've sent or typed out. They can easily just delete everything and none of you would have a copy of their btctalk posts.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Transisto on December 30, 2013, 03:40:43 AM Quote they also sent out an email today to non customers saying that they are about to ship so purchase now before the prices get raised Could you share that here.? Edit : here ; Quote Don't Miss Out! As shipping is about to begin, prices in the HashFast Store will soon increase dramatically. Take advantage of the prices of Baby Jets and Sierras available now. They won't last long! Payments must be received by 5PM PST Jan 3rd. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: jjiimm_64 on December 30, 2013, 03:41:34 AM You guys should probably save down all the stuff they've sent or typed out. They can easily just delete everything and none of you would have a copy of their btctalk posts. please read: before you post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251.msg4212842#msg4212842 Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Anddos on December 30, 2013, 04:03:44 AM 1. They lie about delivery dates
2. They lie about the watt usage 3. They lie about the amount of BTC it can produce Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: plasmoske on December 30, 2013, 05:10:25 AM You guys should probably save down all the stuff they've sent or typed out. They can easily just delete everything and none of you would have a copy of their btctalk posts. please read: before you post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251.msg4212842#msg4212842 Cheers. Yeah my bad. Page was in a new tab on my mobile and forgot to refresh for new posts before posting. And these records should be uploaded or made viewable on a 3rd party website like on a hashfastscamevidence.com or something like that. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: jjiimm_64 on December 30, 2013, 05:25:10 AM Cheers. Yeah my bad. Page was in a new tab on my mobile and forgot to refresh for new posts before posting. And these records should be uploaded or made viewable on a 3rd party website like on a hashfastscamevidence.com or something like that. no problem.. guess I am getting a little snippy with all the HF crap.... On another note, the coins I sent them were at the following address, which had about 33k bitcoins https://blockchain.info/address/17hCi8apMUkzzLLJgUwfXxRJuykuo5Lcur I am not very good at following the chain.. maybe someone can figure out if they have a stash still? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: gnar1ta$ on December 30, 2013, 05:35:47 AM Thanks OP...that's going straight to lawyer :P
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: thomas_s on December 30, 2013, 05:42:51 AM Cheers. Yeah my bad. Page was in a new tab on my mobile and forgot to refresh for new posts before posting. And these records should be uploaded or made viewable on a 3rd party website like on a hashfastscamevidence.com or something like that. no problem.. guess I am getting a little snippy with all the HF crap.... On another note, the coins I sent them were at the following address, which had about 33k bitcoins https://blockchain.info/address/17hCi8apMUkzzLLJgUwfXxRJuykuo5Lcur I am not very good at following the chain.. maybe someone can figure out if they have a stash still? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Hoofprint on December 30, 2013, 09:34:42 AM Share links for ToS versions if yall have them
heres version 1.B http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf (http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf) version 1.F http://pastebin.com/SFzPH8AK (http://pastebin.com/SFzPH8AK) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on December 30, 2013, 10:11:32 AM This is a great resource for our lawyers @senseless, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on December 30, 2013, 10:27:40 AM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270363.msg2894446#msg2894446
8/8/2013 cypherdoc's HF shill thread where Simon Barber endorses BTC refunds. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: fubly on December 30, 2013, 01:59:47 PM Here I have this:
HASHFAST TERMS OF SALE - Revised August 5, 2013 http://pastebin.com/pY3NebDX (http://pastebin.com/pY3NebDX) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: bitcoinarnold on December 30, 2013, 09:19:52 PM well done
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: minternj on December 31, 2013, 02:32:55 AM Someone should post this to reddit. I dont have an account or I would.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: subseaguru on December 31, 2013, 02:54:49 AM added to reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1u2adc/hashfast_bitcoin_mining_company_leaking_private/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1u2adc/hashfast_bitcoin_mining_company_leaking_private/) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: minternj on December 31, 2013, 03:02:20 AM nice need to get it to front page.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: minternj on December 31, 2013, 03:16:34 AM http://redd.it/1u2a3m
upvote this. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: AmericanBit on December 31, 2013, 05:23:30 AM Quote they also sent out an email today to non customers saying that they are about to ship so purchase now before the prices get raised Could you share that here.? Edit : here ; Quote Don't Miss Out! As shipping is about to begin, prices in the HashFast Store will soon increase dramatically. Take advantage of the prices of Baby Jets and Sierras available now. They won't last long! Payments must be received by 5PM PST Jan 3rd. Now THAT is a ponzi scheme. They are trying to take new orders to pay back the people that want refunds, and there is your partial. Just despicable... Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on December 31, 2013, 08:50:22 AM http://redd.it/1u2a3m upvote this. Quote this post was submitted on 31 Dec 2013 31 points (69% like it) 55 upvotes 24 downvotes I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: pmorici on December 31, 2013, 02:05:18 PM Nice work.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: dopamine on December 31, 2013, 07:54:45 PM Bump
We need to work togther so they camt scam anymore people... Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: cryptocxeq on January 01, 2014, 02:57:50 AM http://redd.it/1u2a3m upvote this. Quote this post was submitted on 31 Dec 2013 31 points (69% like it) 55 upvotes 24 downvotes I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. reddit's algorithim generates fake downvotes automatically Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: HashFast_CL on January 01, 2014, 03:04:14 AM I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. Now we're moving from scam accusations to conspiracy theories? That is not good for the Custom Hardware sub's signal/noise ratio. Which is why the rules say: Quote If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: gnar1ta$ on January 01, 2014, 03:12:56 AM I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. Now we're moving from scam accusations to conspiracy theories? That is not good for the Custom Hardware sub's signal/noise ratio. Which is why the rules say: Quote If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. Hey look there you are again, not shipping my miners but harassing the people you robbed. Earning your paycheck heh, overtime for the holiday? Sure HF can afford it with all the $ they stole. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Bicknellski on January 01, 2014, 07:22:23 AM I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. Now we're moving from scam accusations to conspiracy theories? That is not good for the Custom Hardware sub's signal/noise ratio. Which is why the rules say: Quote If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. Don't pull a Josh/BFL. Come clean and fix the problems you and your company have. That is the ONLY course of action to get people to trust your company. Do not go down this road. Take every challenge you are being presented and FIX it don't turn and lay blame or deflect. Fix it. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: traiz on January 01, 2014, 08:43:11 AM Can you clarify something for me?
Is hashfast a scam because they took the preorder btc, saved some, and are going to only refund the amount of btc at the current rate (instead of when the pre-orders paid)? Or because they aren't able to ship? Did anyone confirm that they have a working product? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: thomas_s on January 01, 2014, 08:52:36 AM Can you clarify something for me? Its mostly because they lied so much, their original posts indicated that if refunds would be issued it would be full BTC refunds which is why people made their purchases, but are now going against that saying it will be in BTC at current rates. And of course other things they said that changed over time with little to no warning.Is hashfast a scam because they took the preorder btc, saved some, and are going to only refund the amount of btc at the current rate (instead of when the pre-orders paid)? Or because they aren't able to ship? Did anyone confirm that they have a working product? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on January 01, 2014, 09:23:56 AM I think ScamFast is using puppet accounts to downvote this. Come people, let's get some more upvotes on this. Now we're moving from scam accusations to conspiracy theories? That is not good for the Custom Hardware sub's signal/noise ratio. Which is why the rules say: Quote If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum. If you put half as much effort into gaining actual knowledge about BTC mining as you do exploiting, harassing and lying to customers you wouldn't look like such a Clue Less company Cheer Leader. The definition of a liaison from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liaison Quote li·ai·son noun \ˈlē-ə-ˌzän, lē-ˈā-, ÷ˈlā-ə-\ : a person who helps organizations or groups to work together and provide information to each other : a relationship that allows different organizations or groups to work together and provide information to each other : a secret sexual relationship Let's see how well you qualify: 1st definition: Epic Fail... constantly ignores requests for details on specs, exact shipment dates, and true production status. 2nd definition: AYFKM? lol 3rd definition: Now you and the scammers you represent definitely have given your customers a royal screwing so I suppose this definition applies best. All you have managed to accomplish with your deflection, distraction and intelligence-insulting tactics and lies is to further inflame the victims of your scams. Stellar job! So far you are pretty much the polar opposite of a community liaison. IRT taking our very valid complaints to the scamming sub-forum... be careful what you wish for. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: AmericanBit on January 01, 2014, 12:00:35 PM I just got a really funny newsletter about hashfast. Posted it here
http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/bitcoin-gossip/ (http://theamericanbitcoincompany.com/bitcoin-gossip/) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: freeAgent on January 01, 2014, 02:03:35 PM Now they claim they were "shipping" in 2013: http://hashfast.com/were-shipping-2013/
They at least have boxes... Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: BeepBeep2 on January 01, 2014, 02:25:16 PM Now they claim they were "shipping" in 2013: http://hashfast.com/were-shipping-2013/ They at least have boxes... The units are going to get damaged in shipping because they didn't double box before shipping. Expect units with PSUs stripped out of socket, boards stripped out of socket, cracked pcbs, and leaking radiators. "Might" is a better term, I've seen newegg ship tens of ATX cases without double boxing... I had one that was bent quite badly in the PSU carriage but the shipping cost back was almost 3/5 of the total cost so I said screw it. For Baby Jets, they've done quite possibly the most retarded thing ever, strip a $200 Corsair case and add their own custom logos, then put only one module in it when it holds two (or is that three?) and give a royal fuck you to caring about postage costs, when they could have shipped a machine one third the size and almost half the weight for what is in the case... Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: ninjarobot on January 01, 2014, 05:36:00 PM I wish they would've just shipped us the boards and let us get our own cases, psus, etc and refunded us some btc. ^this If the current 30 day delay is because of needing to book new slots with CIARA for assembly then why not just ship out the bare modules and/or kits? Perhaps customers that opt in to self-assemble a kit can actually get some hardware shipped now? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: helipotte on January 01, 2014, 05:50:54 PM I run a computer shop and build a lot of custom machines. We get cases in single boxed all the time and I would say at least 2/3 of them are damaged
in some way. Shipping a piece of equipment *that* expensive that way is just... wow. Glad I did not order one now. :D Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: cedivad on January 01, 2014, 05:52:35 PM If the current 30 day delay is because of needing to book new slots with CIARA for assembly then why not just ship out the bare modules and/or kits? Do you think that in 30 days they can't find an alternative to CIARA? For all of that money? Nah....Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: ninjarobot on January 01, 2014, 05:54:21 PM Now they claim they were "shipping" in 2013: http://hashfast.com/were-shipping-2013/ You and I both know this is just propaganda. At the same time they announced they were shipping to the world they sent out the letter to customers stating that they were not shipping. It is just for show, so it appears they met their targets and demonstrate a best effort to deliver if they end up in court. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: cedivad on January 01, 2014, 05:55:32 PM demonstrate a best effort to deliver if they end up in court. With that email? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 02:49:51 PM When they accidentally CC'd all their customers, did anyone take a rough estimate of how many emails there were? Trying to gauge the magnitude of this.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: subseaguru on January 03, 2014, 03:29:34 PM found this on the net about hashfast.
http://www.extremetech.com/uncategorized/173772-bitcoin-asic-manufacturer-hashfast-facing-lawsuits-over-alleged-false-advertising-fluctuating-bitcoin-prices (http://www.extremetech.com/uncategorized/173772-bitcoin-asic-manufacturer-hashfast-facing-lawsuits-over-alleged-false-advertising-fluctuating-bitcoin-prices) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not giveToS mess hashfast your money) Post by: fenwick on January 03, 2014, 06:07:56 PM We are trying to sort out all versions and modifications of the terms of sale,
and publish it here: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale We need more data points. If you got an order confirmation letter after a purchase you have made in august, with a Terms of Sale attached to it, or you have a web snapshot from a date not already mentioned at the above page, could you please publish it? (Or send me?) * * * Please note that this is important, because these terms are most likely going to be base of any legal claims. One thing is already apparent: at least in some cases, the ToS versions they have sent out in order confirmation emails do not seem to be the same version which was present on the web when the order was made. We have web snapshots from both the 25th and the 28th of August, here: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/25_August_2013 http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/28_August_2013 The changes between these versions are minimal: Changed: Spelling: Hashfast -> HastFast Added: terms for wire transfer payment However, at least the versions sent out in order confirmation mails for orders made around the 26th of August are totally different: http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale/27_August_2013 There are many differences. (Full analysis coming later.) We need more data points, so please publish what you have. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: GlapLaw on January 03, 2014, 11:38:07 PM Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way?
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: pmorici on January 04, 2014, 01:18:33 AM Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way? Get in touch with jjiimm_64 he has the original email. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: GlapLaw on January 04, 2014, 01:19:33 AM I have no reason to actually see it, I was just curious because it was the only one not linked.
Appreciate it. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: jjiimm_64 on January 04, 2014, 01:23:17 AM Where is the 8/16/13 "Cara @ Support" quote coming from, by the way? Get in touch with jjiimm_64 he has the original email. first post! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=391251.0 Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: fenwick on January 05, 2014, 03:10:45 AM Anybody has ever seen a ToS version not covered here?
http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale (Especially early versions, from August / September, either from the web, or from emails.) Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: Kouye on January 05, 2014, 07:15:01 PM This needs to be added to the scam timeline:
More preorders. (http://ces14.mapyourshow.com/5_0/exhibitor_details.cfm?exhid=T0001346&CFID=6300542&CFTOKEN=406e6f0417908ae1-2121C87C-5056-9200-8A4EC7D277CA9BE2) Credits for this goes to someone willing to stay out of all this mess. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: piecinitup on January 05, 2014, 08:58:08 PM Have they even been issued a subpoena by anyone yet?
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: pmorici on January 05, 2014, 09:34:43 PM Have they even been issued a subpoena by anyone yet? Wouldn't someone have to sue them first? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: theymos on January 06, 2014, 06:22:27 AM Here are the deleted posts of HashFast-related accounts. Some of these may have been deleted by moderators.
HashFast promised (and still promises) delivery by Dec 31. Notice how you deleted the quote that proves you wrong? I'll add it again. It's only 6 words. I know a couple of them have a lot of letters, but try reading it again. That quote is completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the Terms of Sale, which states Dec 31 is the guaranteed delivery date. The Terms of Sale do not include your completely irrelevant quite, which is from an insecure internet forum of all things. ::) Cointerra promised mid December delivery. It is now mid-December, but their chips aren't even finished. Cointerra failed; they over-promised a mid-Dec date and under-delivered a late-Jan date instead. Cointerra knew they couldn't delivery in Dec. They lied to get our money and we will prove it when we sue them for fraud and false advertising. Yes, orders can be transferred, but the Miner Protection Program cannot be sold, licensed or transferred by a customer. This is clearly listed here: https://hashfast.com/miner-protection-program/ -John HashFast Technologies is unaware of a deal being done with any entity that would be able to offer these items for sale at these prices with such assurances on any HashFast products. -John We've got two powerful pieces of news today for our miners! https://hashfast.com/were-upping-the-power-on-hashfast-rigs/ -John Does this upgrade include MPP, would we get up to 4x the 800GH/s ? Unfortunately, at that price, we cannot offer the Miner Protection Program. -John So, I think where I'm looking for more clarity is: 1) Cost of the board/rig required to run additional chips if the MPP gets executed. Do we have a parts manifest for this yet, or a price to outright buy a pre-assembled rig from Hashfast? 2) If anyone from Batch-1 gets additional chips from the MPP, everyone should. Otherwise, there can be situations in which people who are ahead in the shipment queue actually do worse. For example, let's say that the 1st BabyJet from batch-1 goes out on October 25th and has made a slight profit by Jan 23rd; under the current MPP verbiage as I read it, that means no new chips for Owner #1. Let's further say that the 500th BabyJet from batch-1 goes out November 25th, but has just barely not covered costs by Feb 22nd. In this case, the owner of the 500th gets new chips for free, but the owner of the 1st still doesn't. Given the low power consumption of BabyJets, they'll likely be worth running for quite some time, so over that lifetime, the owner of the 500th probably does better. It depends on the exact nature of how the overall network hash-rate curve develops, of course, but it seems to me that the fairest thing to do is to execute the MPP across the entire Batch; ie, if anyone from the batch gets more chips, everyone should. Can we get some clarity/comments on the above? In any event, HF seems to be doing great work. Tape-out ~10 days ago, plus the TSMC announcement...good stuff. Hi Melbus, These are great questions. I just sent them to engienering, so as to get the best possible answers. I will post here soon. -John still waiting for more information regarding their chip and foundry before taking the leap. I still remember back when Avalon started, they had their TSMC contract for all to see which was great. Hi, Cara tells me this is resolved. Please let me know if you ahve anyt further issues. Thanks for your business! - John As a Group Buy Coordinator of 1 co-op owned HashFast BabyJet, I am pleased with the terms and conditions of your MPP. I like the transparency and level of detail. It should serve as a model for future ASIC rig pre-orders IMO. Anything you can add about the Motherboard specs/availability and institutional pricing for said Mommy boards? [IT Birds N Bees - "See son: "Baby computers are made when a Daddy board and a Mommy board fall in love and..."] Could be an entrepreneurial opportunity there for someone. ;) Thanks! Details are going to have to wait until after tapeout. (Engineering is busy right now) However, we want to encourage others to design rigs for our chips and we are excited about what this community will do with them! -John Can you post details of chip communication, pin out, PCB designs, etc to github so that we can get started on designing rigs? It's pretty clear [for anyone who can do basic math] that your MPP is going to be triggered. Those who will be receiving bare chips as part of the MPP will need the additional boards. Thanks I can assure you that we will, but not until after tapeout, which is very very soon. -John Hi Everyone, This is a statement from Uniquify Inc, one of the world's leading ASIC deisgn firms, and our exclusive ASIC deisgn partner. Subscribe on our website for upcoming product details, or hit me up directly with questions. More to come... Cheers, John Skrodenis HashFast.com http://hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/uniquify-statement1.jpg Hi Everyone, This is a statement from Uniquify Inc, one of the leading ASIC deisgn firms in the world. They are our exclusive ASIC design partner. Subscribe on our website to receive product notifications, or hit me up directly with questions. More to come... Cheers, John Skrodenis HashFast.com http://hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/uniquify-statement1.jpg Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: kivien on January 06, 2014, 04:45:13 PM thank you very much for work.
Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: cedivad on January 07, 2014, 10:45:19 PM What's the source for "Tape out did not happen until Sept 6th"? Since that i ordered before that and one of the main reason was that they already announced the tapeout, i would like to know more about it.
http://hashfast.com/hashfast-and-uniquify-announce-tape-out-of-golden-nonce-bitcoin-network-transaction-verification-chip-to-tsmcs-28hpm-process/ http://hashfast.com/tapeout/ Thanks. Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: pmorici on January 08, 2014, 01:25:50 AM What's the source for "Tape out did not happen until Sept 6th"? Since that i ordered before that and one of the main reason was that they already announced the tapeout, i would like to know more about it. http://hashfast.com/hashfast-and-uniquify-announce-tape-out-of-golden-nonce-bitcoin-network-transaction-verification-chip-to-tsmcs-28hpm-process/ http://hashfast.com/tapeout/ They started talking like tape out was imminent on Aug. 20th in blog posts and forum messages. It didn't actually happen for another 8-9 days though. Perhaps that is what you are thinking of. http://hashfast.com/countdown-to-tapeout/ Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: cedivad on January 08, 2014, 09:12:58 AM Quote HashFast’s Golden Nonce GN ASIC successfully taped-out yesterday, Wednesday the 28th, and has been released for 28nm fabrication to a well-known, leading-edge foundry. More details will follow in next week’s joint press release. http://hashfast.com/tapeout/Doesn't leave many doubts to me, right? Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on January 09, 2014, 06:06:58 PM Anybody has ever seen a ToS version not covered here? http://hashfast.org/Terms_of_Sale (Especially early versions, from August / September, either from the web, or from emails.) Did anyone post this yet... a copy of the original TOS on 8/8/2013? Note the absence of the December 31st date that they stuck in our order confirmations a week later. From the ToS: Quote Except for delivery dates explicitly guaranteed in the order confirmation, delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Hashfast are approximate only Quote Buyer will give Hashfast written notice of failure to deliver and thirty (30) days within which to cure, unless the order confirmation explicitly guarantees a delivery date Quote Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy after such cure period or guaranteed delivery date is to cancel ??? the affected and undelivered portions of the order. Quote No order, Agreement or any part thereof may be rescheduled or cancelled without Hashfast’s prior written consent. So! - How may I get a guaranteed delivery date while ordering, please ? - In case I cancel my order, can I hope for a refund ? - In case I cancel my order after you failed to deliver at a guaranteed date and you don't agree to send a written consent to acknowledge that cancellation, what happens ? http://uppix.com/f-hf252043efb00139c5e.png Title: Re: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: aneutronic on January 10, 2014, 02:42:33 PM Baby Jet product page updated just now:
Stock count jumping was either HF testing the shopping cart and using up sales 100 times, or upping their first batch from 550 to 650 units... Before: http://i43.tinypic.com/v8kacy.jpg After: http://i42.tinypic.com/351cqxx.jpg Title: Re: . Post by: AmericanBit on January 11, 2014, 04:28:36 PM BUMP. Senseless, what happened to the Title and OP?!? ??? ??? I messaged him...im thinking hashfast paid him off ;D Title: Re: . Post by: cedivad on January 11, 2014, 04:29:55 PM Or more simply, he is getting ready for the legal action and doesn't want HF to have anything against him.
Interesting BUMP anyway. Title: Re: . Post by: AmericanBit on January 11, 2014, 04:32:22 PM Or more simply, he is getting ready for the legal action and doesn't want HF to have anything against him. Interesting BUMP anyway. All he did was layout a timeline of facts...a lot of people thanked him cause they were going to pass the info along to their lawyers Title: Re: . Post by: RickJamesBTC on January 11, 2014, 04:40:33 PM Why is this thread "." Now??
Title: Re: . Post by: AmericanBit on January 11, 2014, 05:10:37 PM Why is this thread "." Now?? Im rick James bitch...I dont know and thats what im trying to find out Title: Re: . Post by: senseless on January 11, 2014, 06:34:29 PM The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action.
Title: Re: . Post by: RoadStress on January 11, 2014, 06:37:46 PM The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action. Why the change of mind? I thought you were pro a legal action against HF. Title: Re: . Post by: Kouye on January 11, 2014, 07:13:29 PM The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action. Care to share what seemed "non pro" in the excellent timeline (composed of verifiable facts) that you set up? Title: Re: . Post by: AmericanBit on January 11, 2014, 08:08:43 PM The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action. Care to share what seemed "non pro" in the excellent timeline (composed of verifiable facts) that you set up? This is what I was thinking. It was very well written and all supported by sources and facts. You were helping out a lot of new and old bitcoiners with that post. Im happy to post it on my website Title: Re: . Post by: senseless on January 11, 2014, 08:55:27 PM The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action. Why the change of mind? I thought you were pro a legal action against HF. In my opinion it's just going to be a waste of my time and energy for me to spend any more thinking/concerning myself about it. I would rather move on and pursue my own projects. You will understand when I'm able to release more details in the future. The reason I deleted my posts was due to a lack of professionalism. I should have thought first before making such statements, but did not at the time due to a lapse in judgement. In the coming weeks and months you may hear about project(s) I am involved in. I did not want my previous posts to reflect on said project(s) when inevitably and invariably my post history is analyzed. With regards to HashFast, I have decided to wait for the arrival of my device as opposed to seeking a refund or any other action. Care to share what seemed "non pro" in the excellent timeline (composed of verifiable facts) that you set up? I don't want to be seen as a vendor who attacks other vendors. Title: Re: . Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on January 11, 2014, 08:57:37 PM I don't want to viewed as an ass for I, too, have a project in the works that I don't...
Thus, only a link (albeit I was going to C & P it): http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BVWjrEMDopoJ:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D391251.0+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us At least, somebody grab and archive it for possible future use. Apologies to only senseless if I'm somehow outta line. ~Bruno Kucinskas Title: Re: . Post by: cedivad on January 11, 2014, 09:03:15 PM The timeline is also on http://hashfast.org/Timeline
About HF having to do with this - after a really interesting chat with senseless i personally don't think this to be the case. I might be wrong as i'm continually proved to be, sure, we will find it out in the next months, after that he announces his projects... If, ever, etc. Title: Re: . Post by: Kouye on January 11, 2014, 09:05:48 PM I don't want to be seen as a vendor who attacks other vendors. I fail to see how listing facts can be seen as an attack.Title: Hashfast Scam Timeline (Do not give hashfast your money) Post by: itod on January 11, 2014, 10:03:10 PM Pastebin-ed it once again just in case (with working links ofc):
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