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17.2TH/s, 1570W at the wall, Innosilicon announces today the world most powerful and efficient BTC Miners---INNOSILICON Terminator 2 (T2) Miner ready for mass shipment!

Innosilicon, the worldwide leader of crypto currency mining ASIC manufacturer, unveiled the 10nm innovative SHA256 miner, the Terminator 2 miner, which is a leap forward in the current hot contested BTC mining market. This new product again showcase the Innosilicon's engineering capacity to deliver the most advanced mining ASIC miners nonstop.

http://www.innosilicon.com/uploadfile/2018/0517/20180517084212979.jpg
 
INNOSILICON Terminator 2 (T2) Miner is the next generation BTC mining product that adopts the state-of-the-art semiconductor technology with the innovative dynamic frequency scaling architecture for added efficiency and reliability. The typical hash rate reaches over 17.2TH/S  per miner, and power consumption can go as low as 85W/TH at the wall in the high efficiency mode. Innosilicon T2 miners will generate considerable better ROI, cost much less to operate over competition, and will be the last one standing as today's mining difficulty increases sharply. T2 is likely to operate with profit and good re-sell values when other miners become obsolete in the sharp difficulty rise. Own T2, worry free.

http://www.innosilicon.com/uploadfile/2018/0517/20180517084751448.jpg

From http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/25.html

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Is it same chip as the Halong T1 correct?
Will -ck provide firmware to this gear?
Does it only mine BTC?
Is it limited to 5 pools?


I would love to demo one for you if you answer my 4 questions. Above
I don't mind being  limited to the 5 pools above as long as I know this before I buy it.

It means to me that Inno needs to make it clear that it only works with pools that supports AB.

Until the majority of pools support AB failure to mention that is false advertising by omission because people will naturally assume that it works with all pools  - and for all sha256-d coins - as historically all miners have. This miner and the T1 do not.

As I've said about Halong and their T1, if Inno wants all pools to support AB then they need to get some of these in the hands of the pool operators so they can test the changes on their pool using Testnet to verify how it behaves with their setup. Only a fool would make live changes to what is essentially financial software without testing on their pool hardware/software setup first.

The original T2 thread is listed here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3389644.0

Innosilicon, do you have an explanation for CK not supporting your hardware, and your current relationship with Halong?

So from experience the specs are something more along these lines:


17.2 - 6% = 16.17TH

1570w + 6% = 1664w



In all fairness, if they can operate at 50c external temps they have a place in the market because nothing else does.

Hmm........should I buy a lot of this to test out? Inno being Inno and all

If you have a choice, which half refund from order of Innosilicon or miner, I will now always choose a refund.
You will get more money back, than with miner from Innosilicon.

My recommendation is, not buy and stay far away from this company.

Missing one key piece of information:  How much?

@ -ck thank you for reply

price does matter  would like to know.



I would not buy this without proper firmware support.

My t1's are fine at low and medium speed.

If I can not set this gear to 3 speeds I do not want it.

I won't be having a Innosilicon T2 for review, bought or for free,
their business policy is bad for the community and I also have bad personal experience with them..

$1600/unit and MOQ 100  ;D

My moderation standards have not changed in many years as moderator here but I'm not the only moderator.

As for this mining hardware, specifically I'm contracted by MyRig for the driver to the HalongMiner T1 and have nothing to do with Innosilicon directly.

S9s and avalons are selling cheap these days. They need to compete strongly on price too, or it wont make sense to purchase.

This is so important for the miner besides performance. Bitmain’s still capable of lowering their S9 price if the Innosilicon comes close to it in price or performance to stay competitive. This will have to be near the price of an S9 to have decent sales at all.

We already know the price in bulk ($1600/100 MOQ), but resellers will definitely markup the price. The question is how much it will cost for us and what Bitmain will do in response- they’ll probably lower the price of the S9 further as aforementioned (S9i 14TH/S is currently at $1050 with PSU).

Huh? At current 1600 price, S9 is already far more competitive, especially with coupons. Getting 80% more hashrate is alot better than 10% more efficiency.
Go ahead and crunch your numbers.

yea...was talking with Gordon at Consensus this week and he was saying all their driver work is done by luke.

this... I pretty much lost my shirt trying to go w/ halong I can't imagine innosilicon being anything worthwhile to anyone at the price they're trying to hawk these for

If they were smart they could compete with a two year warranty.

But 1600 for 17th vs 1780 for 28th. Is a big edge for bitmain .


Of the three out there Avalon is best for me due to the long warranty.
My power deal means I can not lose unless the gear breaks.
So I look for gear with best warranty

Innosilicon hasn't been too bad to work with but other manufacturers are much, much easier. Take this perspective with a grain of salt as we have only been placing orders with them for a week or so but seems routine thus far and shipping confirms are coming as expected.   

In agreement though that a 17th/s unit is pretty irrelevant in market, unless extremely competitive in price with current asics. More excited for more announcements and improved efficiencies. It would be nice if manufacturers took a more traditional approach to wholesale pricing but we can't expect that to change anytime soon.

Where did you all see the MOQ listing? I can forward this to our web and see if their wanting to list for group buys but I think we all can agree there might not be much interest.

The world's most powerful and efficient BTC Miners---INNOSILICON Terminator 2 (T2) Miner is ready for mass shipment!
Limited quantity with superior 6 months’ warranty. First order, first served!
The demo video is as below，please enjoy. https://youtu.be/TNxnHVkL59U

The world's most powerful and efficient BTC Miner---INNOSILICON Terminator 2 (T2) Miner is fully tested and open for order now! Buy now from http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t2-miner/

And once again in your website miner specs you are leaving out 1 very critical piece of information: THESE MINERS ONLY WORK WITH POOLS THAT SUPPORT ASIC BOOST. You CANNOT just point them at you favorite pool and expect them to work. If the pool does not support AB the miners will not even connect to it.

Until Inno convinces all or at least the majority of pools to support AB these miners are useless for many of us.

Agree. Time to get more efficient period without asicboost.

Translate this  and you are saying let bitmain  keep its secret asic boost on its own pools.

Anyone against halong or inno_silicon  using asic boost is supporting bitmains covert asic boost.

No, we are not. We are saying that Inno either needs to provide incentive for pool operators to make the needed changes OR at a minimum let people know the miners do not work on just any pool they want to use. Even better would be being able to turn AB on/off to make pool support a moot point.

As for Bitmain & covert AB: After the kerfuffle about it last year all support code was removed from the firmware. Could BM just apply their own private FW to use it? Sure. Do the s9 chips even still have AB circuits in them - unknown. Thing is there has never been any proof of Bitmain ever using AB outside of Testnet and they are on Public record stating that. Provide proof of covert AB being used and then you have a viable argument.

I am not against AB per-se. If it will give a slight improvement, great. I am strongly opposed to how Little Dragon LLC/Halong Mining chose to implement it by initially literally sneaking into their miners without letting potential buyers know that critical bit of info and then doing NOTHING about encouraging/helping/giving incentive for pools to use it. If a manufacturer is pushing for a new de-facto standard then it is up to said mfgr to encourage acceptance of the new standard by working with the pool operators so the wanna-be standard is supported right out the gate at product launch. Once again, in their hubris Halong and now Inno could care less about the BTC ecosystem or being truthful to their customers.

MOQ 100 units? Thats a big F.U. I dont like Bitmain but at least they let the little guy order just 1 if he wants to and they seem to be the only big player that does so.

Other manufactures besides BM sell from 1 on up.
Canaan does through their world-wide network of distributors. Check canaan.io for their list of Authorized Distributors.

As for Inno's T2's, since MyRig sells the T1's (made by Inno for Halong) with any luck MyRig will also act as a distributor for the Ts'2. If they do then moq will not be an issue.

I was actually asked if I'd be willing to review the Halong Mining Dragonmint T2, but then something happened and soon after that I realised that Inno is releasing the T2 miner..

There has been no further discussion about the Halong T2 review after that.

This is just pure ignorance.

1. Nobody has EVER proven they used 'covert asicboost'

2. It doesnt work with seg-wit so it would be dead already.

3. I am against halong and inno because they scammed customers by not releasing the GENERALLY ACCEPTED FACT that bitcoin miners can run all sha256 coins, and waiting until preorders were over to tell people they cant.

I really didnt expect you to be one of those tin foil hat people but this is just sooooo ignorant I had to say something. So much misinformation is put out by people considered experts on here, its kind of depressing.

I think you need to run this through babelfish again.

Hello thank you for your feedback. No useless augument, see the trend, all new asic design are racing for AB adoption, stratum mining protocol supports AB,  slush pool, f2pool, ckpool among other private pools are all supporting it, very shortly you will see pools that don't support AB are minority.

Can you

 A:  work at viabtc.com allowing your miner
B: work at btc.top allowing your miner

I helped bitminter.com add your gear they are allowing it to mine both btc and nmc I think they are the only pool merge mining at the moment.

It would be nice if you can add more pools like the two above.

Many people simply don’t understand the importance of asic boost coming to every pool.
I have been attacked on this for months but I still believe getting every pool on board is very important.

lmao phil just stop postin buddy. This reply is an all time low for you. Not one person (that i have seen in the many posts about it) have said these people r wrong for usin asic boost. every post has been geared towards them bein dogged for forcin asicboost on customers without tellin them. they charged a premium and lied to their customers and hid behind a computer screen pretending like the issue wasnt an issue. You know what happened phil. stop allowing your free hardware that you were supposed to pay for but magically didnt have to cloud ur judgement and encourage u to spew such nonsense. evey shit post u make slides a little further down that hill. its terrible to watch!

u and i know y they forced asicboost on customers too. it was the only way they can fudge the numbers enough to make their miner look like its the fastest most efficient miner. in reality the s9 which is 2 years old running at stock speeds with a proper psu with no asicboost turned on hits numbers above what the t1 does. asicboost adds about 20% efficiency so that 16th/s (that they cant ever hit ne way) is actually 20% lower. that wouldnt help them scam customers so the only option in their mind was to force asicboost so they can justify postin those numbers. just think what would happen if the s9's has asicboost unlocked?? which is already confirmed to be working by multiple other folks. not covert either....the same as the t1. what would halong and inno do then?? i picture a kid stompin on the ground upset because even with lies and number fudgin they still lost.

but the facts were already laid out there for u....free hardware blinds folks. hopefully u wont be trusted with that task in the future.

Apparently someone is misrepresenting me and saying I'm working with Innosilicon on their hardware or software. I repeat: this is not true.

Yeah  there are quite a few bitmain shills trying to smear you and me and others..

Unfortunately the asic boost of this chip fully exposes bitmain's 18 plus month ability to use covert asic boost. (not saying they did )

So they just attack anyone with any connection to the chip.

Both of us Have dealings with Myrig not Inno_silicon.

For the record My 5 t1's were offered at 7500 usd by Myrig to me.  I agreed to keep them as I like mining at you pool.

I have yet to pay MyRig the 7500 usd for them.

Since  30% + of the network pools now allow this chip to mine.

Bitmain shills go on the attack.

@ viabtc.com
@ BTC.top   pool  why not join the party and allow asic boost?

https://i.imgur.com/JF3AOgf.png


My thoughts are this anyone against asic boost is for bitmain.

I have a logic for this I think bitumen's s11 does not have asic boost

So they have paid and influenced people against the t1 chip with asic boost.
Because the next chip put out by inno_silicon will be better then the S11.

You're right on everything but the bolded, underlined, and italicized line.

Hey are you against asic boost ?

yes or no.

bitmain has hidden asic boost not saying they use it but I am saying it was hidden.

do you agree yes or no?

Inno_silicon has  asic boost and it is not hidden now it is in use.  this means bitmain can no longer use hidden asic boost (not saying they did use it)
  just saying they have it and they hid it.

So bitmain the king of asic gear finally got fucked over by another company and you are against that company

so please explain to me how you are not for bitmain when you are against asic boost.?

I am willing to listen to an explanation if you have one.

If you go back to my first post in this thread


I don't mind the pool limits because I know all pools will switch to asic boost except for antpool and btc.com

and this is an effective way to attack bitmain.

You definitely need to cut back on your caffeine intake for awhile...going to give yourself a heart attack.

AsicBoost is a joke, period.   And by no means am I pro Bitmain.   Innovation is great, however AsicBoost isn't the right answer.   

What makes it a joke?

Innovation is what it is. There's no right or wrong.

Regardless, transparency is a best practice in any good business. It might be pompous to assume that people actually know what their buying but then you'll always be disappointed by people in any regard and is why you shouldn't assume people know anything.

I'm in favor of advertised hashrate should be achievable in any pool. If you're a company trying to drive AB it would be best to market: "x ths/y ths w/AB" so to speak. I don't feel there's any real deception happening that's just a matter of perception/experience.

We'll see how this asic does as we listed it a few days ago. Price is to high for market with proven hardware out there, actually all of Inno's products seem inflated and their shipping prices are pretty extreme.

1.7k usd with shipping per unit in 100 MOQ. Maybe if it were a 20 th/s unit.

Edit add:

And you know you're going to get hit with import/customs on a 100 unit order.

And that ^ is the one and only bitch I have about how Halong/Inno has been marketing these miners. To me it is rather like them selling a car and only later on saying, 'oh btw - these don't run on gasoline or diesel, they use LNG'.

Once LNG is widely available as a fuel, not much of a issue, just a surprise to the consumer. Once the majority of pools support AB it too does not matter but until then that is a critical bit of info that Halong and Inno are leaving out of the marketing spiels.

Yeah  when I took on the demo unit from myrig.

  I wanted 1 demo I got 5
  I thought it could mine anywhere.  It mines  at 2 major pools  and 4 other pools.
  With that  I still kept them and obligated myself to pay for 5 units of T1's (At you know who I am yet to pay for them)
  Mostly due to ck  doing firmware for the myrig/halong t1 models.

  Now as -ck says he is not doing the firmware for the t2 model. And neither myrig or inno_silicon offered to send a t2 for me to demo.
 But inno_silicon now has a bad price for the gear.  1700 with a 100 moq.  I can buy s9's way cheaper and I can buy avalon 841's way cheaper.
This is much like the s-5 war on the sp20  bitmain flooded the market with cheap units.

I believe the difference is  bitmain does not have an s-11 with asic boost  due to the move pulled off by inno_silicon and that they are flooding the market with gear now due to this issue.

If -ck says that he is not co-operating with Inno,
does that mean that Inno is using his software without permission?

I don't think AB is an answer to anything.  It's just an element of innovation as you said was great. We want advancements in hardware, so why not processes/software?  It's not like they are cheating, they just found a more efficient workflow for the end result.  Same as hardware.  What makes people think that anyone in their right $$ mind would ever throw away those kinds of efficacy gains in this space?  You are leaving money on the table.  AB or some form is here to stay forever whether you like it or not.  $ ALWAYS trumps people feelings......

Unlikely. A while back someone said that it is Luke-Jr (the 'other' mining sw and pool operator guru, author of BFGminer and OP of Elgius) who is doing T2 work for Inno.

I thought he was involved in Elgius not Slush?

Not sure but Slush is what stuck in my head at the time.
edit: Yer right. per https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pooled_mining corrected post.

Cgminer is free software. They're allowed to use it provided they make public any modifications they make to the software themselves, if they release hardware containing such software to the public.

I suspect any claim that Luke-Jr is helping Innosilicon is just as likely as the claim that's going around that I'm helping Innosilicon.

The only ref I have to Luke being involved is jstefanop's post on p1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3926710.msg38223099#msg38223099):

It's only here until the next chip arrives.   Then it's on the back burner again.

I have access to a test unit. Hashing nicely at about 17.5-18TH/s on slushpool. Thats just 1h values, will do 24h testing soon

1580-1600W on wall

I got mine also (Private order)  8) hashing like crazy  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Overpriced as always without chance to roi

100 pieces at 1599 = 159900 plus 2100 shipping 162000 and 3% tax to USA comes to 166800

Someone happen to know if it plays nicely with US 110 volt and if not, which PSU would work here?

If the firmware allows "efficiency mode" like the Halong T1 then it might be in a safe range to use 110v with EVGA OR Corsair 1600 watt PSU  assuming your home wiring and breaker can accommodate.

Innosilicons website is showing close to 11k usd shipping charge for MOQ. Per unit would be just over 1.7k including shipping. Adding customs in at 3% is roughly 175k usd for MOQ. Unless their shipping charge is not correct.

Minimum in my opinion would be 20 amp line ran with 12 gauge. If able, dedicate the circuit to the miner. Will of course be a fire hazard, but the 1600 watt mentioned psu's should run it on 110v. Down clocking would be a great idea.

they must have changed shipping from 2100 to 11000

did you use usa for shipping destination?

either way 166,800 or 175,000 for 100 pieces is costly

100 avalon 841 or 100 s9i are far less.

 think I can order 100 avalon for about 100,000  but if I get 120 for 120k  I will have the exact same hash rate for 50k lower
I get a 2 year warranty vs 6 months
I can mine at any btc pool or bch pool

 can get 120 s9i for under 100k
6 month warranty
mine at ant btc pool or bch pool

they are not as efficient but
savings of 50k and 2 year warranty avalon 841
savings of 70k and 6 month warranty  for s9i

over ride the efficiency gain.

I will tell you this I have a t1 doing 14.2th pulling 1250 watts and fan is 31% in an 85f room

so the gear is nice. but price point is too high

correct me if I'm wrong

why would anyone pay 1600 per miner for a miner that can only make 117.00 a month that would make ROI 13.67521367521368 month to reach ROI with that going down every few weeks on top of you have to buy a 1000 that makes ROI even harder to reach ,before costs .

i also get the feeling they will pull the same shit they pulled with the A4 Dominator sell the first one under specs then come out with another one that cost more that is better but may not make ROI in any reason able time .
 
An People with to much money will feed these trolls and con men.

why not do what they all claimed at first they would do make miners for everyone that can be used in homes etc . I knew that would change as greed kicked in now there load , use lots of power for what they make .

my 2 cents worth an I'll buy into like everyone else .......sigh.


I have to agree don't buy this shit you will be sorry you did, wait for the 30 to 40 th miners that will probable use the same amount of Electricity at about the same price and you may not have to buy a 1000 to me this looks like a cash grab an right after they sell off two batches butmian or some one else comes out with a higher end miner with about the same operating cost but closer to 50 th then these miner become useless fast with no ROI then who makes out, it sure as hell is not the Customer we don't matter any more expect to be screwed over as much as possible .

I will admit the gear sounds and probable is nice but the first A4 Dominator was a big disappointment when it came out and felt like a beta test we paid for . then the  A4 Dominator + came out and was awesome but the cost was to much and now it's not worth what they still want .


I can only guess how long the T2 will last till they come out with there t6 or t7 etc  that uses less power and pumps out more hash .

why is this taking so long come out wasn't the t2 suppose to come out about the same time the A4 Dominator did ? .

We haven't received 100 MOQ yet for an order to get exact numbers but 130-150 usd is about standard shipping cost for their per unit asics. But inputting location is about 10.8k usd in shipping from what I remember for the T2.

It's nice to advertise the fastest asic in market but MAP on their products is closer to retail pricing compared to how other manufacturers structure theirs. Unless they plan to keep a static price through market fluctuations. Which would negate the argument during a bull market that other asics have better ROI or return as in theory one wouldn't be able to acquire considerably more hashing for the same amount of funds but is still dependent on T2 price staying static.

ie. 2x s9i hashing for 28th/s for roughly 1.9k usd with shipping & customs or even less with coupons.

Granted at BTC prices now with two s9i's are just barely more profitable than on T2 but ROI is about 100 days sooner with 2 s9i's at MAP now (our two promotional s9i available would put ROI at 230 something days at .10/kw).

I suppose to sum up my thoughts, Innosilicon needs to compete in price and offer quicker ROI to users to take market share now while they have the advantage of power and efficiencies in available asics for consumers. As this advantage wont last long.

The T2 is still at least 200 usd overpriced to match ROI on the 2x s9i example. Even still if your spending 170k on mining equipment you more so care about total hash more so than I imagine on efficiency. Buying double the unit count for 1.1k th/s more for same amount of money is worth it now and in prep for bull market (200x s9i's vs. 100x T2).

If I was Innosilicon I would match the Canaan listing of less than 1.2k per unit and sell out of these now but they're the masters of their own fate.

You hit the nail on the head here. For medium sized mines (that can afford 100 units at a time). We are looking at 0.03-0.05 USD/kwh. Simple math calculation says that in order for the efficiency to justify the price: 10% more efficient means I save around 10$ for every 100$ of electricity spent per hash.

So for 120 841s, I'd be spending ~70k USD a year on electricity
For  100 Inno T2s I'd be spending ~10% less so 63k USD per year.

So in order to justify the price diff of 50k for efficiency: I would have to go 70-63 = 7k ---> 50/7 = 7.14 motherfucking years

Good luck with your 10% efficiency for 50k more bro.

so i get 17.3TH @slushpool 24h average
1620W but with about 30°C ambient temp

As much as I wanted to get this unit  today I purchased 2 s9i's  for 1265 usd shipped to my home in USA NJ.

so I get 28th  for 1265    moq of 1

and this unit is 17th for 1600   moq of 100 pieces


Frankly  I owned  5 t1's and I liked them I sold off 2  and kept 3.

But the pricing tactics of bitmain are brutal.

28th at .11 watts is  3100 watts

17 th at .09 watts is  1530 watts
34 th at  .09 watts is 3060 watts



so at equal power the t2  may do  34th  vs 28th for the s9i

cost t2 3200 plus shipping is 3400 usd
cost s9i 1265 with shipping

I am 2000usd  less with equal power use

and 6th more with the t2  6th earns  about 78 a month so  I need more then 25 months  to make the T2 a better deal.

I realize  that  can change  but  the T2 is overpriced even if it is better the the s9i.

Innosilicon is full of shit, just choose some other manufacturer.

I will never buy another Innosilicon again. I purchased 6 of their previous miners at 10k a piece. Worse decision I ever made. After multiple delays, they finally came. Two of the miners didn't work. They were able to fix one remotely, but the other one, I had to mail to them. It takes several days to even weeks for them to reply back to emails. It took Innosilicon several months to attempt to fix it (which still doesn't work). All they seem to care about is pushing the latest product and overcharging. Stick with bitmain.

Looks like MOQ has dropped to 5 units and their shipping cost was reduced as well, lowering overall price. We've been getting everything as ordered so far but you never know, customer service is as much a commodity as an asic. We have listed just under 1.8k and 9k for single and full MOQ now. We're happy we could place orders at the new MOQ and price, but it's still not market competitive. If you order straight from them its looking like a hair over 1.6k, without customs/impport taxes. Best.

Rubbish units with high rates of failure. Bought a defective one, sent it for repair, returned faulty AGAIN. Yet Innosilicon refused to bear the shipping cost for their shit servicing. They are having a buy 1 get 1 free yet they can't repair/replace a unit? Think twice before you buy from the most toxic company ever guys.

i think you are in the wrong thread, its about T2

No IS the correct thread because Inno makes the T2. Their point is that Inno has historically been a horrible company to deal with as alvynly and other folks in other threads are pointing out. Buyer beware!

lol wait...first u accuse folks of tryin to "smear" u and u admit that u havent even paid for the hardware u promised u were going to pay for (uk...to prove ur not a shill for halong). u then accuse people bad mouthing halong and the t1 (including me of course since i have posted about u and halong) of bein paid shills but have 0 proof to back up ur claim (i have yet to receive a single piece of hardware or a single dime for my comments) even though u have been exposed as receiving free gear and not payin for it....then if that wasnt enough of a reason to dislike ur ethics u go and say u sold 2 of the miners u havent even paid for?? 2 of the miners u were given for FREEEEEEE?? u have the nerve to accuse us of bein shills when u have profited from bolstering the rep of a shady company?? where r my free miners?? where is my money?? most of all whats ur excuse for not payin now?? ck didnt rely on u for testing the firmware. he had many other testers out there. ur usin excuse after excuse for y ur not payin but ur excuses have run out. u sold miners u didnt pay for...explain y u havent paid again.....

then u take the money from sellin miners u didnt pay for to buy antminers that u claim r total shit. if halong miners were so great and efficient y the hell would u get rid of them phil?? everytime u reply on here u dig urself into an even deeper hole. idk y grown ass men have to lie about stuff like u have been. im not sure y ur rep would be worth a few free miners either. im just glad i can point out ur shadiness because i doubt others have taken the time to read through the many posts in the dragonmint threads.

also just wondering....but has ne one ever thought about the possibility that halong is really inno?? i mean is it that hard to branch off into a dummy company to try to push shitty hardware onto people without messing up the inno name ne more than they already have?? a throw away company that no one knows ne thing about does make sense. its also known that these miners are all from inno so if inno is doin the work of designin the miners and makin everything y would they stop at the last part and let someone else sell them...unless they r halong.

idc either way it was just an idea.

Whats interesting is that, as I understand it, CK wrote the firmware/software for the T1 but not the T2.

If they're the same company, why not have CK do both?

-ck was contracted by MyRig - not Halong or Inno - to fix the software/driver that Halong wrote for the T1. So talk to Halong/Inno as to why they could not get it right and why a 3rd party (MyRig) funded him to clean up their mess. Good luck getting any response from Halong or Inno ;)

Ahh, gotcha. Missed that part. Innosilicon should definitely hire -ck, the software for the T1 is great (in my usage), especially compared to the software on the Inno A4+.

Anyone else have these? I’m considering them but not sure if I should wait for GMO or Bitmain - with the price at $1080 they seem competitive and not much worse than GMO. Bitmain is of course silent so far but I can’t see their newest miner being much better than GMO on 7nm right?

This will be a large purchase for me so I want to make sure I buy the right ones.

What is your power cost?

If you are low cost power these could be okay.

My t1s are having some issues.

I have 5 which is 5x3= 15 boards.

At this point 2 boards are down.

I have run the gear for 3 months.

Room is hot but has good air flow.

Right now s9i with a coupon is pretty low cost.

I ordered a third one today.

I spent 590 usd for it including shipping.

I have psus.  So 590 for 13500gh vs 1100 for 17000 gh.

This makes s9i pretty good. If you have cheap power.

It will mid 5s in summer and like 6.3c in winter.

That reliability is very worrying and I haven’t heard great things about getting them repaired either.

Thank you philipma1957! Rarely anyone see the truth like you after doing so much reading here! My hat to you for making the thoughtful comments.

Inno is here to listen and make miners, ASIC and services better to help decentralization and break monopoly. In the past, no one beat bitmain in ASIC performance and that is big part of reason why you saw a monopoly. Now Inno makes every ASIC better in every coin to help decentralization. The only thing they did was selling under their cost. $2K miners became $500 to continue short term squeeze of competition. That is fine, we don't mind they selling under their cost. But on the other hand, you should know why they are doing this. It is no charity.  Inno is the progressive force here to stay and help. We reduced our price to help, we are producing better miners every month. It is a huge amount of effort we are making, no matter making money or not, it is not for market monopoly, it is to break it. Inno is a good company with great engineers trying to be better everyday. Respect that please!

BTW, if you go visit www.innosilion.com, we update our price and promotions, AB inside, no question, any SHA256 coins it can mine, we have more pools joining, Poolin is the latest one, we are doing our best to create better ASIC everyday, you can count on our commitment.

$1.1k is fair price for these units, consumers always want best deal though. Not good business to sell at a loss but appreciate the competition and the diversity to our listings none the less. Been easy working with Innosilicon, we would love testing units our tech team writes talking points for inquires that occur very often.

Well, it seems that there are no reviews of T2 miner, so I'll make one for the community.


Really? What miner software is used in your T2 miner? Does it has any coinbase transaction size limit (like bmminer S9s do) which can prevent T2 work with p2pool normally?

Also, why there are only 2 PCI-E 6pin connectors on each hashing board? Are 3 connectors too much?

Also, why the controller is powered with 2 connectors, PCI-E 6pin 12V for fans and some strange atypical (as for ASIC miners) 4pin connector with different voltages for FPGA? In case of PSU failure the owners of T2 will not be able to simply take any appropriate server PSU and put their miners back into work. They will need an original PSU for replacement. Or they will need to invent something to bypass this constraint...

If I may chime in, last I checked, the T2 driver and software is based on the T1 software, although I'm not contracted to work on it. Which means it is based on master cgminer code, there are no limitations to coinbase size, but it is asicboost dependent. The T1 works exceptionally well on p2pool, and unless they've screwed something up since the T1 driver, this should too. That doesn't mean I'm recommending this hardware in any way shape or form, just answering your specific questions.

As of now I will be waiting on the T2 turbo vs the T2

I may be getting  two other miners

from different companies

an Avalon 851

and a Pangolin M10

I like the T1  and ck's firmware did help it work well.

Plain facts are this Innosilicon has more efficient miners then  bitmain.

They cost more  since bitmain is flooding the markets with cheap miners

If your power cost it very cheap  bitmain works for you.

If you don't have really cheap power innosilicon  is a better choice.

I would be interested in the turbo version of the T2 when it is released.

Pretty much sum it up the philipma.

Has there bee press on 851?

Can't be to far off from the T2 turbo I believe but isn't the m10 more efficient? Waiting another month for a great upgrade minimum would be in almost everyone interest.

I'll the numbers from the other thread.

Thanx CK.

Another surprising fact about T2. You can not change the direction of the air flow by flipping the fans. Firstly, the guarantee seal doesn't allow you to unscrew the front fan (what if I need to replace it?). Secondly, in case you flipped the fans, the miner begins to behave strangely. Judging by the logs, something inside the miner overheats up to 95 C, and the miner sets the fans to 100% speed periodically.  ???

Why is it surprising? Miners are laid out with airflow and resulting interior temps in mind. Of course changing the direction makes them unhappy...
As for the Warranty seal -- if the fan dies, contact the mfgr and get approval (and a new fan from them) to replace it. Easy peasy.

Yea, the best comment I could come up with was; "Want to reverse the air flow? Turn the unit around.".

It's just like a T1 with the myrig PSU stuck to the side, meaning it is loud, fucking loud, think vacuum cleaner. In efficient mode it's tolerable... if it's on the other side of a big house behind lots of doors, think hairdryer.

[Hong Kong, China] – JULY [31], 2018 — Press Release:  Innosilicon, designer of the industry leading crypto currency mining ASIC products, today announced that it has achieved a industry record breaking performance in its Terminator Sha256 Bitcoin mining ASIC series, utilizing Samsung Foundry’s advanced low-power FinFET technology. This ASIC, with a stunning 63W/TH performance on chip, 75W/TH at the wall (25 degree ambient), is currently in mass production and available right away to power a new generation of Bitcoin mining equipments with record breaking energy efficiency. With a complete portfolio of crypto currency ASIC products covering Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum, ZCash, Decred, SIA, Dash, and Cryptonight featuring full custom design and innovative dynamic temperature frequency scaling for optimal performance and reliability, Innosilicon is the one stop shop leader in delivering the most advanced crypto mining ASIC solutions using Samsung Foundry’s cutting edge foundry process technologies.


The current Innosilicon Bitcoin mining ASIC has already been used in the most power efficient miner, known as Terminator2 Miner with 17.2TH at 1430W+10%. The newly updated T2-Turbo miner offers enhanced 24TH/s performance per a small tube in normal mode and its power consumption can go as low as 75W/TH at the wall in low-power mode, easily 30% better than the closest competing products in the market. Its latest ZCash mining equipment is up to thirty times more efficient than GPUs. Innosilicon new innovative Ethereum Mining product A10 is set to be a few times more efficient than other ETH Miners in the market.
 
“We are very pleased to provide the upmost low-power solution to Smart Server through Innosilicon to ensure very competitive equipment life time,” said Ryan Sanghyun Lee, vice president of Foundry Marketing Team at Samsung Electronics. "We believe that Innosilicon's T2 Bitcoin mining ASIC, based on Samsung's advanced low power FinFET process, will offer differentiated value to its customers with notable benefits of power efficiency and high-performance.”


“By Collaborating with Samsung Foundry and leveraging its the-state-of-the-art FinFET technology, we are able to deliver a premier next generation Bitcoin mining ASIC that meets the needs of the most demanding user under any market conditions. With today's sharp hash rate growth, the Terminator2 ASIC with its unsurpassed efficiency provides much lower operational risk and much higher ROI over the next 12 to 24 months over the existing generation” said Roger Mao, Vice President of Engineering, Innosilicon. “Improving power efficiency by as much as 30% is nothing short of phenomenal in today's competitive market. Innosilicon has chosen Samsung Foundry because of the outstanding process technology and its extremely solid engineering and production support. Innosilicon and Samsung will go a long way as good partners to deliver many more exciting low power products in the market in the coming years”


The Innosilicon T2-17.2TH and T2-Turbo-24TH featuring the latest ASIC is available right away from Hong Kong. Demo will be available in a worldwide roadshow which covers Japan, China, Russia, USA and Canada among others. Innosilicon is opening up all its latest custom ASIC with software/hardware reference design for interested OEM/ODM buyers to support decentralization and miner DIY (Do It Yourself). Innosilicon also welcomes upstream and downstream suppliers such as power companies, mining farms and institutional investors to join its ROI collaboration programs by taking advantage of its various efficient miners to form a healthy win-win ecosystem.

About Innosilicon
Innosilicon is the worldwide one stop shop industry leader in high speed interface IP and cryptography mining ASIC Miners for Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum, ZCash, Decred, SIA, Dash, Cryptonight and other leading digital currencies. Innosilicon's mining equipment and ASIC is unsurpassed in performance worldwide. The HK based company's innovative approach and hardware allows for a new ASIC to be launched every three months. For more information, visit the Company’s Web site at www.innosilicon.com or email us at info@innosilicon.com.
 
About Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. inspires the world and shapes the future with transformative ideas and technologies. The company is redefining the worlds of TVs, smartphones, wearable devices, tablets, digital appliances, network systems, and memory, system LSI, foundry and LED solutions. For the latest news, please visit the Samsung Newsroom at news.samsung.com.
 
About Samsung Foundry
Samsung Foundry, the foundry business unit of Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., has been providing top-notch technology offerings and solutions to support global fabless and IDM semiconductor companies.
For more information about Samsung Foundry, please visit www.samsungfoundry.com.

From: http://www.innosilicon.com/html/news/27.html

THAT is very interesting and almost a throwback to the A1 days when Inno was more than happy to sell chips. You folks should contact Sidehack....

Would be nice  even if they use Asic boost I would love to get a sidehack project going.

Now all we need are pricing and release dates.

Got it. Looks like a late August release. $1500 per T2 Turbo.

Definitely interesting. Gonna follow up on that, thanks for the lead Fuzzy.

Thanks.
Great technical achievement, thanks for pulling it off.

Two points:
1. Why not 1000-1200W PSU and a 12th miner below? With almost 2kw in a small space, I don't know how it works in tight spaces of most hosts.
I suggest to make such turbo-mini (12th), it might become a surprisingly good seller.

2. It works for those with 5c/kwh, it is touch and go for those with 5-8c/kwh, it is not price efficient for 9c/kwh and above (at these btc prices).

You could freely make this with S7, for example, and S7 performed well for years after that without any problems at all.


Anyway it's a little stupid, don't you think? Should I wait for 2-3 weeks for new fan from Innosilicon? Or I just can take any of my spare fans from the shelf and just put the miner back to work?


Well, sometimes when you really need to reverse the airflow, you may also want the status led to be still visible... That's why I flip the fans sometimes. Not on every miner I use.


Yeah, that's exciting.

2 points:

1) Are the wires from PSU connected directly to the hashing boards? I can't see any PCIe connectors on the photos.
2) The PSU is "custom" again, i.e. you can't take any of spare server PSUS 2+ kWt and replace it in case of failure? Why? Was there any strong need to do this? Apart from your desire to sell us these power supplies ...

Price on these is 1350 USD but bitcoin price is .200853 which currently is around 1535 USD. Looks like their jacking up the price by almost 200 USD when you use BTC to pay.
http://www.innosilicon.com/html/t2t-miner/index.html

Might be the shipping cost you're seeing?

All of their listed prices do not include shipping. You don't see the additional shipping cost until you click the "order now" button.
I purchased one using Bank Transfer and shipping was 242 USD. Total was 1592 USD. When I clicked the button to switch option for BTC it was about .234 BTC with shipping.
At current prices that's about 1790 USD. I'm just saying, do the math first if you are going to buy T2T with BTC.

USD vs BTC price will also depend on who their exchange is. I've often seen well over $100 difference between the various exchanges.

You can see the shipping cost add in prior totaling $1592 for USD. Just a casual conversion it shows $1801 for a BTC purchase. I would contact them directly let them know the issue. I know we will. The broker here says we typically will send wire and try to do business off the website as it is not secured.

Edit: Yea some thing is really wrong, over 1.5 BTC for an A9 shipped. approx 11.5k USD

In this case it was nearly a $200 difference. I checked coin gecko, coinbase and coin market cap.


That is an excellent point. I like their miners, but bank transfer is the safe and at this time the cheaper way to go.

I wonder how long it typically takes them to respond to inquiries, because I've heard nothing yet.

This is their official position:
"5. We don't adjust btc and ltc momentarily, so we use a conservative coin rate comparatively. we suggest you should pay via bank transfer if you want an exact cash price."


I just got back from my bank and they will only transfer money to other countries in their own currency, if it's sent from a regular account. They will send USD if I have a business account.
Unfortunately, USD is what Innosilicon wants. So my only choice is to pay their inflated BTC or LTC prices or wait for the S11.

Maybe something wrong with their API pulls? Cause BTC isn't displaying at the top of their product page then LTC is showing but at the same approx rate of $1791. I'll forward to sales and see if they can get a response, I don't do ordering just annoying (bad joke). Sidehack were you interested in wafers/chips? Might as well piggyback for info.

Yes, I am interested in samples and dev resources. Depending on what IO bus they use, it might not be difficult to re-tool my current projects to a new chip and it could very well be worth it if the chip's 30% better than what I have now.

Ok, I just sent email to the sales team (copy/pasted your last post sidehack), seems their already trying to work this out. If we don't hear back from Inno in a reasonable time we'll have to pull all our Innosilicon listings, re-run pricing for them item by item or do group batches to keep costs low as we'll want to save with wire not what seems like an excessive percentage markup for coin buys. 

No word yet from Inno yet but pending reply's we'll be routing all payments through wire to keep costs down for buyers. It will take longer for those purchasing with BTC, etc but will save 60% on their conservative cryptocurrency pricing "markup" this way. Apparently our brokers were aware of the discrepancy communicating this on our quotes to buyers or potentials. Our Pricing for innosilicon site wide has been updated to reflect these changes. A coin buy will be roughly $1750 before cost savings.

Edit: projection includes unit cost, customs/import, wire/transfer fees, shipping to buyer, and our commission for US.

Sent you a pm

Hello thank you for your feedback. We will check our website and we will continuously improve our service in the future. Looking forward to bring you the excellent customer experience in the future!

Awesome to hear. Our contact in sales replied to our inquires as well. We'll be excited to make BTC, LTC a better option, at least for our business model. Typically even credit is pushed in coin as the process is quicker and cost effective compared to wire but for Innosilicon it appears we've been doing the reverse.

@sidehack I was told your query was relayed. Hope to hear back soon but hope you hear back before us.

So I put in an order   for 1 t2 Turbo  and  for some reason I clicked btc and was sent  a bill in usd


So first question is why did it switch  I know I clicked  BTC.

Second  time I ordered I watched and error repeated  but I caught it and I now have a bill for 0.23015 btc

For me the highlight of the product page is watching the youtube video that has that cheesy tina turner song in the background.

It's pretty awesome I remember the leaked footage had on there to.

They did get back to me last night, asking what kind of demand I'd have. Haven't heard any more yet but hopefully they're willing to work with someone who'll have to start small (my chips budget right now is only five figures) and snowball instead of dumping in a quarter million dollars up-front or whatever.

That is good news!  I hope they work with you.

Looks like Inno's BTC rate is much closer. Not sure what our pricing on coin is now but I imagine it's roughly that $40-50 range less. We'll see the same slight drop in our web prices at some point to adjust for no longer needing using wires for better pricing through them (unless of course requested to do so).

Edit: For those here who reached out me about orders on this, if you did place one with us and it's not submitted to Inno yet let me know if you want a refund I'll expedite it since it's the weekend. Obviously you'll save more if you order directly from Inno with BTC.

Tha would be me and some others  I just saw shift  in cost and will order direct from them in about 10 minutes.

You need a refund? PM me your order/invoice number and I'll get sales on it now. We're still seeing fluctuation, so be careful. Right now at $6982/bitcoin Inno's is asking for .243539 BTC roughly $1.7k.

Seems we'll be taking the conservative approach and continue to factor USD wire into our pricing for quotes, our web orders will default to wire automatically for consistency. It's nice with our model any left over funds are returned. Still, we're trying to figure out when their market calls are updating. Will update soon I hope.

Has anyone on this forum purchased an order of these? I'm wondering what their experience with Inno's shipping is like.

Shipping for these unit starts mid month, so just depends in when you ordered compared to everyone else but shipping is DHL, once the order is shipped it's typically delivered in a couple days for us in the US.

Here is the deal  I decided to order from  minefarmbuy  I paid $1800 today.

I will post a review on both the gear and on  the reseller minefarmbuy.

I paid full price  on the website of minefarmbuy today.

I was pm'd this pm today


I ordered 1 unit a t2 turbo I paid in full zero discounts.

My pm's back to him are as follows:


@@@@@@@@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@


Note no discounts full price.

I pm'd Inno_Asic

on the 31st of JULY  and was ignored.

But minefarmbuy  did not ignore me.

here is the pm to Inno_Asic


Since I do as many reviews as I can and  sometimes pay in full for the gear I have limits to what I can do.

this Monday I will be getting  Avalon 851's  at no cost to me I will review them.
I will be getting the T2 turbo from minefarmbuy  at full cost to me  I hope by Sept 1  to Sept 10  --- full cost was 1800
I will be getting two acorns 215+ and a x2g nest at full cost to me I hope by Oct 1-------------------- full cost was 792 I think
I will be getting pangolin/whatsminer M10 price to be determined I hope in sept.

Thanks again to minefarmbuy

Thanks Phil, glad to have a dedicated community member as a confirmed buyer. Now we just got to get you that T2T for your video review! 

Is there any way to make these, T2T, less noisy? I've turned mine right down to efficency setting and still it is running very loud. Update the firmware as well but I think the wife might murder me if I can't make it quieter.

It is a industrial level miner device, it is mean't to be freakin' loud.

Noise and heat, it's what makes an ASIC miner an ASIC miner :)

There's quite a few guides and posts on how to quiet an ASIC down, but be careful, a lot of them will make it run very hot.

Thanks I did have the S3 and was hoping it would be a little less of an ear blasting than that. Looked the web but not found anything on cooling but I am the worlds worst for finding answers from there.

Build box for it, some guides around here and on the web. There are some that are premade as well. Maybe ear plugs for her?

I'd post in mining support and maybe someone with great tech knowledge can help your drop fan speed but I imagine you'll want to decrease frequency as well or you'll risk buring chips or something else like your house.  

he needs a box system .

I have been lazy and not done a video on my new design.

it involves

https://www.amazon.com/Tonyko%C2%AE-Fiberglass-Fire-Blanket-39-inch/dp/B01MG8X32X/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/UltraTouch-48-in-x-24-ft-Radiant-Barrier-30000-11424/100661257

and a wooden diy bench much like this shape

https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/three-posts-amalfi-upholstered-storage-bench-thps1456.html

line the inside with the radiant barrier then the fiber glass blanket .

access is by opening lid

air in from a circle hole inside air exits from a hole in the side most convent for you

The problem is that even if you mine at subzero temperatures and the miner itself runs cool not needing high fanspeed, the PSU that's built into these still runs its fans flat out and they're those horrible little 40mm fans. Nothing can quieten that part down no matter how low speed you run the miner.

Yea, you could run off an desktop atx which is "home friendly" but the sound of 120mm's will still be loud at 30% then you're downclocking considerably.

Yes, I know my M3s PSUs were awful. It'd be interesting to find a way to compare just PSU DB over a range of temps and wattage.

Innosilicon said they are gonna sell chips in a Youtube video, i have to find again, i wonder if they really will if they do ?,will side hack finally be able to make some high end miners for us at a lower cost then they sell them for or even boards that fit Antminer cases sense they seem cheaper and easier to get ? . or will Innosilicon pull there usually BS and charge out the ass for chips or make the chip buyer ,buy more chips then they need .

I can't say whether they will or won't sell chips yet, but they're talking with me, so that's good news. I'm hopeful.

Use lots of smiley faces so they have to be cheerful on every request.

Nice idea ;D

"Can I buy some chips? xD"

 :D

No but seriously, I hope that it plays out good for you Sidehack.
You're doing great job for the mining community.

Old sales tip: "smile through your voice".

My only sales tactics are "price reasonably" and "present all pertinent information, accurately". Smiling is for people whose products can't stand on their own.

I don't really have a buying tactic though. Just, you know, ask for stuff and see what happens. Don't really care if the salesman smiles at me, as long as what he's selling doesn't suck. And I'm guessing Inno's chips don't suck.

I've been in sales a looooonnnng time, people like smiles. In this scenario though you're the buyer no smiles needed. I imagine though they're waiting for the T2T orders to hit doors before they release their IP (?).

Inno's working with Samsung? Maybe there's an in over there too? Wouldn't hurt to put some feelers out I imagine.  

Here's the T2T:

https://i.imgur.com/n6E24wGl.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/n6E24wGl.jpg)

How does the PSU sound?

similar to the T2, also very high pitch sound. but i would say its even a little bit louder

 PSU is a little bigger, PSU-fan is bigger, too

Waiting for mine  I hope it arrives soon.

Just checked on you're order Philip, it's expected Monday!

@vincl, when did you order yours?

nice I hope it works well as I will order another if it works well.

Hope so to, I very much want one myself. We'll see if the clicks hit for my commissions. Have you run through other threads on the T2 performance? Wonder if you'll have the first for the pool or not as well.

Also, since this is the T2 thread MOQ are 3 now (not T2T). Their BTC prices are still high, USD wire is the best route for all Inno purchases.

invoice date is from 25/07. then we made the payment.

Well  plan is to test it  check multiple speeds it has and then buy another from you.  Dhl says it comes on the 20th.

t2 turbo consumes 2400w on the wall on performance mode, so it should have 24TH
(measured with tp-link HS110).
dafuq


25°C ambient temp

still waiting on 24h pool average. next thing will be efficiency mode. i will post update in this thread

Mine has reached NYC  due on monday.

Not bad for a 18th- 25th batch ordered on 8.5.18

lets hope it works well as I will buy another from you on tuesday next week

Well that's up to you. I think our brokers can credit your cost savings into your next buy. Not sure what the logistics look like but just ask.

Dear Valuable Innosilicon Miner User,

We’re glad to inform you that the firmware of T2-Turbo has been optimized again though unremitting efforts of our Innosilicon Firmware team.

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2t_20180814_092800.swu

Upated items:
-   Optimized the hashrate under Efficiency mode;
-   Improved the over-temperature protection performance;

Please send email or add Skype miner_support@innosilicon.com.cn to our technical support team if you meet some problem when you update the firmware.

Thank you.

                                                                         
                                                                                                                                                                 Innosilicon customer service team

Hey that's great. While you're here, would you mind responding to my ASIC request? I offered cash in hand for samples of the BTC mining chip but haven't heard back since the 8th. On the forum anyway; my email request was never responded to.

Hello thank you for your comment. What can I do for you?

Well like I said, I emailed with no response so then I messaged this forum account asking about bitcoin mining ASICs, as the press release stated they'd be made available to integrators. I was asked which chip I had interest in on the 8th, and have had no response since then. So, maybe an update? Some kind of communication?

Okay. My unit showed up the other day Monday the 20th.

I get about 17500 th at 1450 watts.

This is close to 82 watts a th.

It is a good number

So what does the firmware do?

Optimize hash. Does not mean optimize power.

So. Will hash go up and power go up? =  not what I want.

Will hash go up and power stay the same = very good

Will hash stay the same and power drop = best

I have only made one purchase from you this unit.

I don’t want high power use

Dear Valuable Innosilicon Miner User,

We’re glad to inform you that the firmware of T2 has been optimized again though unremitting efforts of our Innosilicon Firmware team.

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2_20180814_100830.swu

Upated items:
- Improved the over-temperature protection performance;
- Optimized the start-up process of miners;

You can upgrade the firmware as shown below:

http://www.innosilicon.com/statics/images/20180822134042.png
 
Please send email or add Skype miner_support@innosilicon.com.cn to our technical support team if you meet some problem when you update the firmware.

Thank you.
                                                                          
Innosilicon customer service team

I agree, more specific notes on the updates would be nice. For me though if it was working well why touch it but then you're proposes and skills are a lot different. 

Others, be careful as we're talking T2 and T2T in here, so watch what firmware you're using on which unit.

yeah  part of doing these reviews is so that others don't take the risk of shit firmware upgrade.

so I did the up grade to this one

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2t_20180814_092800.swu

and my balanced is now at 20.49  but the power moved to 1876 watts so 1876 / 20490 = 91.5 watts a th  which is not as good as the numbers before  which were 89 watts a th.

I will check efficiency  setting  next.

and fans are faster but unit is cool.    57 c

so  about 1 more th and 110 more watts  for balanced.  this is all fine and good  if btc jumps higher.  but  instead of  giving less watts and the same hash better watts per th

it is more watts and more hash   worse watts per th exactly what I did not want.

I will test balanced next
I will also attempt to roll back firmware after that which may not be possible since I don't have that file

And @ Inno_Asic  give me a link  for original firmware  not the newest.

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2t_20180814_092800.swu

For your better user experience, please download onto:
http://www.innosilicon.com.cn/download/t2_20180814_100830.swu

So I have the two above
give me the first one  that came with  the machine

Note T2Turbo is what I have

Can you or anyone else read decibel level or give a general opinion on noise level? 

well  the firmware  upgrade fucked up the noise level  since it boosted fan speed.

It was far better then an s9

fan speed  was 50  and temps  were 63c  for efficiency

fan speed was 73 and temps were 63c for balanced

now  

fan speed is 90%  and temps are 50c  for efficiency
fan speed is 90% and temps are 56c for balanced

so typical innosilicon BS  which is why  I never purchased a unit from them  until  I got this one from you.

I will keep this one and if I can not roll back  firmware I won't be buying anymore.

I will also mark all innosilicon products with  neg feedback  if I can not  roll back this upgrade.
and mark all innosilicon  reps with  negative feedback  if I am unable to roll back this firmware.

Only because I asked a specific question  and was given what I suspected was a false fake answer.
my question:


fake reply:

so inno optimization for temperature:

"hey, just lets increase fan speed!" .... lol

I just did a factory reset.

we will see if it rolls back firmware.

it did not roll back the firmware.

and while this firmware works  it uses more power per th
and has 90% fan speed.

I now burn 1500 watts at efficiency
I used to burn 1450 watts at efficiency

my fans were 50%
my fans are 90%

I don't have the original link to roll back to.

So I will wait one day for an original file then mark negative everywhere that I can.

hey do you have the original firmware?

can you show this page in my pm if you want to?

https://i.imgur.com/iTlvb0U.png (https://i.imgur.com/iTlvb0U.png)

Why even bother releasing the update. . ..

They should have the firmware posted for roll back. Philip, not to poke the bear but a basic reply is all I might expect from their forum account. Hopefully once they get to business hours over there they'll update and list the original firmware. We'll give them a chance to help us out.

Is there a "back up existing firmware" option, where someone with the original build can archive it?

yeah  I will wait  but  as for now the new august 14 update is unacceptable  garbage  90% fans  vs 50% fans  85 watts a th vs 82 watts  a th.

100 watts more power for 1th more hash which is not what I wanted for efficiency setting.

I would have preferred 0 watts more power  for .5th hash

or 100 watts less for 1th less

which would be 1350 watts and 17 th  or 79 watts per 1th

I sent an email to support.   I will wait to see if they reply.

Yea, still about 5 hours till reasonable am there, and then a full 8 hours for a work day after that. I'll email your broker and see what they say for us.

I got a reply  on facebook

I have the oem  file

/Users/macmini/Desktop/T2Turbo Firmware/t2t_20180803_112014.swu


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UsOjQnBMx2FxCqRmJEvdeRSgjwUhfI5W/view

I will fuck with it tomorrow. 

Watch out the fan doesn't take off your john thomas.

My Mr Johnson will be well protected.

Once I get the fans down to 50%

I will tear down the psu.

I will try to get it to be cool but quiet.

I have some high quality fans.

I would love to swap the stock fans and run them at 50%.

Along with the psu mod.

I think it will be okay and not that loud.

A little worried what one might be doing for this to occur. .. ;)

I have found over the years that if one takes profanity literally, the world is a much funnier place.

I find it odd my I missed such a deliberate set up. Or was I playing the straight man?

Do people even use that phrase anymore? Could be found derogatory to hetero males some. .. Oh and a T2T or something.

Naw, playing the straight man has nothing to do with sexual preference. If someone tries to take it otherwise, that's an opportunity to educate someone on a historic staple of comedy.

Oh yeah, still haven't heard back from Inno about chips. Might buy me one of them miners though, you know, to mine with. Definitely not to take apart.

I almost stip up my beer on that last bit.

We were talking about john candy the other day and then someone confused him with chirs farley. I got upset, someone got educated.

Missed this a bit ago, but look at those social media people get shit done.

There might be a couple heading your way already :)

To be on point kudos to Innosilicon  they replied in under 20 hours  with oem file  

I ask on facebook  they gave an answer.
I ask via pm they gave an answer.
I ask via email they  gave an answer.

I am going to redo firmware now as fan speed on 85% is too loud.

It is back

and room is hot but fans dropped to 60%  which is much better then  85%
power dropped to 1450  vs 1498
hash drops just a little  say 18200 to 17700 waiting for auto tune to settle.

https://i.imgur.com/5y1W0JT.png (https://i.imgur.com/5y1W0JT.png) https://i.imgur.com/5MMs1Va.png (https://i.imgur.com/5MMs1Va.png) https://i.imgur.com/Xx77pDT.png (https://i.imgur.com/Xx77pDT.png)

could you do performance mode when being on the newest firmware? i tried on TWO units and it wont stop autotuning, .. other modes its working fine

Dear all,

Thank you all for feedback about the new firmware of T2T.

It maybe set fans to 90%. But fans will go down after running about one hour.

And we are also developing a new firmware to improve this problem.

Thank you so much.

Yes they did drop to 85%

and on efficiency setting it does very close to same watts per gh.  say 83  or 84 a th  vs 81 or 82.

I am doing all testing in a place where sound matters.

When I set up  in solar array I will do newer firmware  as sound does not matter.

I really want to thank you for giving the older file  so I could roll back.

Bitmain was a fucking asshole about this  with the s-9 for  along time.

You guys did the right thing giving access to older file.

Thank you again.

Brokers here are saying Inno's market conversion is getting better. Been able to catch decent pricing with BTC instead instead of wires more often.

INNOSILICON T2Turbo Miner has 4 work modes: Performance, Factory, Balanced & Efficiency. You can choose any kind of work modes as you wish. T2Turbo Miner will help you go through the bear market and occupy the leading position in the bull market. Learn more from http://www.innosilicon.com/html/overview/index.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlms3lWU4AAdyz9.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlms3lWU4AAdyz9.jpg) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlms6x5UwAATbkj.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlms6x5UwAATbkj.jpg)

So far  at efficiency setting

I do 1450 watts at wall

and about 17340 gh   which is  83.6 watts

It does better at night when garage is cooler.

I know of no other gear this efficient

I kept stock firmware as my unit is cool and fanspeed is a bit lower.

I wish  they were cheaper in price as  they are close to 1725  if you use crypto to pay.

1592 bank order

.255456  btc is 1724.52 at coinbase

30.14    ltc is 1743.29 at coinbase

I do like the 83.6 watts  a lot.   but it is a little bit under spec.

I should burn around 1398 watts to do 17340 hash  not 1450

When room cools we will see if it improves.

Hey, that efficiency mode looks pretty good and shouldn't be a fire hazard.

yeah and chips are about 53c   with a room temp at 90f

Yeah that's nice. Hey question, how many chips are there per board?

Not sure  but give me a minute or 2.

We'll it's getting cooler in the north again. At least for us on the pacific. I would love to run one. At the price I paid for the last set of asics in Jan I could have 6 of T2T or 15 of another brand.

Looks like best price for these is coming with crypto payments and a wire send. Knock transaction fees down to balance out the wire cost. Real saving can hit or not at import. 

"Aug 29 15:28:23 InnoMiner cgminer[1319]: chain1: detected 93 chips"

According to the logs for my T2T there are 93 chips per chain.

I looked for that for so long!

 thank you for posting it.

So 93 x 3 = 279    

17,350/279 = 62 gh a chip at efficiency setting

I do about 1450 watts at k-watt meter  so close to 5 watts a chip   simple math says 5.197 watts   but there are 2 fans and a controller.

These would be nice usb sticks

better yet 5 chip pods

hmm 25 watts and 310 gh

I'm sure it was just my fresh eyes, I received my T2T this afternoon haha

Were you able to send a wire or did you get good BTC rate?

I managed to find one on craigslist from the first batch, great deal and I got to pay in BTC!

Is anyone planning on documenting the differences between the various new tunes from the latest firmware? Have + ++ - -- for each of the previous tunes which appear to allow you to have more fine tuning of the hash rate/power consumption.

if you are talking about T2t, theres no difference. or which update are you talking about? on performance i dont gain 24 TH anymore, just about 22.3 TH/s and 2230W, so same efficiency as S9

What about performance +? Talking about the T2T

theres no performance+ mode?!

the best setting for efficiency is the efficiency setting

17.50th and 1450 watts or 82 watts a th
 Efficiency -----  17.50 th at 82 watts a th

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

19.55th and 1720 watt
balance--------  19.55 th  at 88 watts a th
 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

factory---------


performance---   2376 watts   my meter can not stand to do 2200 to 2400 watts long term I will do an hour test with meter attached


edit
Meter simply does not allow me  to run at 2376 watts  so I ended test.

Check out my screenshot below:

https://imgur.com/w2lWPUe

Each of those ticks is an option for tuning, giving more granularity to tuning options.

Edit: look at the option selected, not the current tune.

How many of these have sold so far?

ahh now i understand. i will let you know when i have results

AFAIK, Inno has not published any sales numbers..

I used minefarmbuy to get mine.

If someone used btc and wants to give me the btc address they paid the btc to I may be able to figure out how much they have been getting in btc.

frankly it is pretty good gear. on balanced or efficiency it saves power.

It is also not crazy loud on those two settings.

I have been waiting to buy another  because I will be getting the M10 (I hope)  the m10 may be more kind on power use.

390 to one bitcoin address, but they may be using more than one.

Someone spent near $360K on them in the last few days. :o 8)

Well  on efficiency and balanced   mine has been very good. 82 watts a th on eff and 87 watts a th on bal

factory and performance it is a power hog about 100 watts a th

Yup will probably run mine at balanced, maybe crank it up in the winter if sidehack needs some extra heat :D

The T2Turbo  is

the best preforming miner around  82 watts a th  but it is not cheap more then 1600 usd

the s9j is not a good performer  around 100 watts a th  but it is cheap  about 500

Right now  if you want 1 miner  to save money  on power  the T2turbo and or the M10  use the least power   per th.

Have to keep in mind moving to Q4 soon and more and more efficient gear will continue to hit. Hope I can replace my s9's for the T2T or something else in the next months. Unless you have a large op with cheap power and just want to bulk up on cheap gear. My S9i is much better I than the original s9, I imagine the s9j continues but still not as efficient as the T2T at least from the posts philip shares and a couple others verifying. 

Innosilicon, the industry leader of all coin crypto mining ASICs, launches another heavy weight BTC miner, the single tube T2Turbo+32T (can run up to 36T), after successfully delivering the T2T-24T miner since July.

http://www.innosilicon.com/uploadfile/2018/0915/20180915123702555.jpg

The T2Turbo+32T uses the same T2 ASIC just like T2T-24T but with more ASICs running at lower power. In the low power mode, the Hash rate of Innosilicon T2T+32T miner is 32Th/s (± 5%), energy consumption is only 2200w (+/- 10%). Meanwhile, the hash rate can break 36T in high performance mode with appropriate temperature and AC cable. The 68W/TH performance is continuing to the lead the pack in the hot contested industry. The special promotional price is $1568 for online order with limited quantities.
 
T2T-24T, with variable power efficiency, is still the mainstay to replace the last generation miners. Innosilicon R&D team will regularly issue firmware patches for T2T-24T and T2T+32T to further improving the hash rate and Power Efficiency free of charge and alter today's sharp difficulty into advantage.
 
The production of T2T-24T and T2T+32T is only the beginning of Innosilicon era. Innosilicon is set to announce a few more exciting ASIC and GPU ASIC miners this year with unsurpassed performance. With a mentality of openness, innovation, cooperation and win-win to support decentralization, we welcome customers/investors/resellers/farm operators to contact us for any win-win business model and ROI protection program.
 
Below is the work-in-progress Demo of Innosilicon T2 Turbo+32T, please enjoy!
https://youtu.be/Ub2LfoP2ShQ

For more details, please go to www.innosilicon.com.

Contact email: miner_market@innosilicon.com.cn

Listing now, thanks.

Well  I just tested the M10  and it is better then the t2turbo

but it looks like innosilicon now has a comeback to it the

t2turbo +32

at minefarmbuy do you list this?

Yea, the media is similar so it was pretty easy. Pricing is crazy cause of "trump tariff" on website but you know how we roll anyway. Just request a quote if you don't want customs support.

We had an error on our listing, it's been corrected.

wow  that tariff is a mofo

I know we spoke philip but for everyone our pricing was slightly over projected we're able to refine it to benefit buyers. MOQ is three units, so we adjusted for a batch buy listing for small miners.  

The T2T+32 is now listed on the Innosilicon website, but whats interesting is that it mentions ASIC Boost is present on the miner!

Have they mentioned anywhere that this machine uses ASIC Boost?

Both the T2 and T2T had ASIC Boost, the T2T+32 uses the same chips so makes sense that it also has ASIC Boost

Wow, no idea how I missed that this whole time!

Along that line, the Inno miners not only use AB but as a result require that the pools you point them at must also support AB or the miners do not work.

Public pools the Inno (and Halong T1) miners currently work on are:
  KanoPool
  ckpool
  solo ckpool
  slush
  bitminter
  f2pool

Just noticed that a new firmware for the T2T was posted on 9/29. Any details on what changes come with this firmware?

We may need separate thread for all the T2T models. Not sure what the new firmware is but their new T2Ti:

Where are you seeing those details?

Our Innosilicion contact, we're looking for next T2T+ batch details and they gave a heads up on the release and pricing.

Okay  this is confusing  my t2turbo was purchased from you in August.

So  will it do 20th at 1360 watts on efficiency setting

or will only the newer t2turbo  do 20th at 1360 watts?

next questions is  what does the newer model cost shipped to usa?

For the record my t2turbo  from august  does 19th at about 1600 watts

New model from what we understand. Not sure if prior models will have updates.

Conservatively I'd say 20th at 1500w "ish" factoring +10% on the new unit.

Our projections are conservative without getting into pumping our service.

Wow, the amount of different T2 models is getting very very confusing.  ;D

Why do they must keep naming them T2xxxx ?

So is this new   t2ti replacing the t2t+??

Agreed Haggs, I guess they are following bitmain with the the s9- i and j idea. They could say least use full words to differentiate the releases.

@minefarmbuy, You should explain to your contact that this is a marketing and customer support nightmare to keep releasing models in this fashion.

It's like they are just pooping out a new model after a model and so on.

Yeah it is a bitch.

So in the solar array  I now have

1x m10
1x t2turbo

and I may or may not want this new one.

So far Innosilicon has sha256 asics as:

T2T+ / T2Ti / T2T / T2

Granted a lot of T2's but I think it has to do with using the same 10nm chip?

The T2Ti at efficiency setting looks really nice.

I don't think it's really that confusing but it is a lot. Only suggestion I would give is to have a more deliberate product life cycling. We have meeting today to look at our own listings and see what dead weight we can drop.

T2T 25T is listed on their web now. Guess we'll change our phrasing now. :)

Wow, pricing is much better on the 25T version!

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https://www.innosilicon.com/statics/images/20181031181117.jpg (https://www.innosilicon.com/statics/images/20181031181117.jpg)

Innosilicon T3?

Is there a new model available?

Pangolinminer is offloading T2T-25T for $1050, which is currently $100 cheaper than Innosilicon promo pricing. I'd guess they are probably releasing something new soon.

Sounds like something is brewing. Looks like pano is getting a sweet deal. We'd have to hit a moq to do better.

Is that Pango deal before or after tariffs?

Before, I don't anyone prices duties in except for us.

just a cautionary note.  most units would perform at 10-15% higher power consumption with 5% less hash rate.  Try with Pangoline/Bitwei and Ants before jump on the gun

also, 25% tariff is not active UNTIL January 1.  still it is only 2.6% to USA  be warned!!  (If anyone is being gauged on the extra 25%)

Tariff is active as of when the Act was signed. August 23, 2018.

Federal Register / Vol. 83, No. 159 / Thursday, August 16, 2018 / Notices  pg. 40825

@inno_ASIC

I think you owe a free T3 BTC asic to all the people whose email addresses you leaked today

That's your free gift, either use it for marketing purposes or to scam people. We know that BCC (Bitconnect) is dead, but the BCC in emails is different

tell me more about this leakage

If you are on Innosilicon's mailing list you will know what I am talking about

https://www.facebook.com/CryptoMinerUK/posts/347527732462057

That's a big sloppy mistake.

How can a company as big as Innosilicon be so amateur in email advertsing? ???