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Greed encapsulates the world and constrains humanity from thriving and surviving.  Greed is unsustainable, we live on a finite planet, greed demands for infinite growth.  Greed will surely destroy our planet if we do not change the course of our actions.

Bitcoin has helped us change the world, but nothing really changes when a select few individuals own massive proportions of wealth over society.  Bitcoin cannot bring peace, only we can by escaping the fear that divides us as individuals.

To become free, we must work together, as one.  We must abandon all concepts of greed and work together, as neighbors, as a family.

A call to action:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=398067.0

Some people might consider a scammer/douche who asks for free money to be the greedy one.

wild personality swings.. must be on drugs. that or he is bi-polar?

Money is based on trust. To abandon money we must abandon trust? The world as we know it shall rest in piece either way.

Is money based on trust, or is it based on greed?  Possession?

Once we abandon money we will truly find trust through the compassion and sharing of our neighbors, our community and our planet.  We will be there for each other in trust others will be there for you.

When exactly have I asked for free money?  Is there a better reason this thread was moved, as it is completely relevant to bitcoin, other than to dissipate truth?

I like Dank threads.

I will answer seriously though, there is no such thing as a world without money, it wouldn't bring world peace, it would bring starvation and depression. If we completely removed currency, we would end up back at a trade and barter system. If you want to get technical, trade and barter is still "money" as people would start amassing desireable goods that they could more easily trade for things they wanted, and that is in itself, money.

If we cut out the trade and barter system, you are back to using whatever you can make yourself. I'm not sure about you, but I feel that I'm a rather handy person, and with a bit of research I could make a lot of my own basic needs. However, I don't think I'm good enough to build my own microprocessors and other electronics that I want, so until we evolve into a civilization where every single person is able to make anything immaginable themselves, a world without money is impossible.

If you mean we have to get rid of fiat money, that wont really help either. If we have learned anything from Bitcoin, is that whether we don't trust fiat and stick to cryptos, metals, or shells, the same underlying "greed" is impossible to get rid of. Money for the poor to middle class is a method to buy goods and necessities. For the rich, money is power. Rather than cutting out money which is a neutral medium of exchange, what we really need to do is cut out power. However that leads to issues again, while some people may be complete anarchists, most are not. I'm all for freedom to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on others. However, I don't have enough faith that my neighbor wont just walk into my house and stab me for shits and giggles, so I would not like to take place in an anarchist system.

So really, even in an ideal world where we get rid of money and power, there definately will not be peace unless you devise a system that forces everyone to think in a similar matter of morals, but by doing that, thats not really having a lack of power as someone is doing the brainwashing.

a world without money is basically a utopian ideal. is money really evil or is it the people who hold it?

Moneyless societies are very well proven to work, but not in the modern world or any community of this population density. Removing money from the world right now would bring horrible consequences and war.. as we may see in the coming decades when US/EU economies continue to decline. To have no money we'd have to start over with different approact to life, for example my personal utopia: a world where humans live in small and primitive hunter-gatherer communities.

So before the concept of money was ever coined (pun intended) there was no world?  There certainly was a world and they did not commit genocide on an astronomical scale for monetary gain and certainly did not arm themselves with enough nuclear warheads to destroy the earth 40 times.

Money makes the underlying greed impossible to remove from the equation, for money is a possession which is a direct result of greed.  To seek a financial system is to seek inequality.  A world with money is the cause of the depletion of resources and the hunger and starvation of nations.

It's time to take what we learned from technology and return to our roots of sharing the world rather than hoarding it.

If our current society can support the biological life present on earth then there's absolutely no reason a freer society could not maintain this just as well, so long as fear does not continue to rule the minds of man kind.  Imagine if anyone could grow food for the community without being pursued by government agencies, the supply would be much more sufficient as well as diversified.

Money is a tool of greed.  It is used by some to control populations and there is no reason this would stop as long as there is those that gain monetarily or in power by doing so.

You should not be taxed to survive.

saying that we should remove money is a simple solution, but it ignores too many human complexities. the problem is not the money itself; it is the people who are morally/ethically depraved.

Without a state enforced monopoly of violence, karma would play itself out on a natural level.  If a peaceful society deams some people's existence a threat to the society they live in, they can deal with it accordingly.

Violence should not be used in obtaining a world of peace nor should it be used thereafter, but I cannot help as you said it, human complexities.  Those that have sold the blood of their neighbors and family for illusions of material gain for a lifetime will get their karma, whether it's through emotional distress, or death (caused naturally or by fellow man).

The concept of possession and the attribution of value onto mediums has existed well before money was invented. You honestly think the world is rainbows and unicorns before money was created?

Sadly I agree, I made a thread about this a while ago. Bitcoin only patched the problem a bit, didn't resolve it entirely.

Why do you think Karma will be had by those who do exactly what the nature itself has taught to them? Evolution and laws of nature have led to our current situation, unless we believe that an alien invasion has led humanity astray. ::)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389718.0
 

 It's not very relevant to bitcoin, only other place it would go is pol/society but you already made a thread there, so it was either trash or off topic.
Also my illuminati handler has told me you're dangerous and your truths must be hidden.

Good job reading:


I believe it is very relevant to bitcoin if my death will trigger the collapse of the world economies, collapse of society, and ultimately the collapse of bitcoin.  Definitely something people should be informed of if their bitcoins are about to be useless, don't you think?

No you won't.


Why did you do something so long term like buying a mining rig then?

I really thought they'd let me stick around through the years but it's once again becoming clear to me they won't let that happen.  Things changed quite rapidly when they put a sign reading LUMP HEAD outside of my house.

This would be akin to abandoning a high temperature to cure the flu; ditching money without solving the issue of violent greed has been tried before, it doesn't work out well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes).  Rather, if money is truly a symptom of a violent society, then it will naturally go away once the cause is taken care of: since money is still around, and violent societies still occur without money, it is hard to say that abandoning money will actually be of any benefit, or if it's either a cause or symptom relating to holding back world peace.  This is a question that can only be answered after the fact, as I do not know what happens in a society based upon voluntary cooperation (excepting the spanish anarchists of course, who were communist.)

To attain world peace we must abandon money and religion.

=)) lol. the idea is unreachable cos human has been using "money" to trade since their existence ;D. But anyway, if it's possible then world peace is possible

Screw money as humanity needs a system of resource redistribution. Not only the currency should depend on energy - the currency should be energy itself.

It makes on wonder if the saying money is the root of all evil is spot on.  We use money to enslave each other it seems and give the control to psychopath control freaks that clearly can't be trusted.  I wonder if we would have world peace even if we figured out how to fix the problems we have with money but it is a huge step in the right direction if you ask me.

Without money most people would be lazy. People need rewards to do their job.

Not so sure you looking at the big picture.  What is a "reward" if your currency is being devalued and printed out of nothing add the things you need go up in price at the same time.  People will work to pay for services they need and want and people will provide them services for payment it's as simple as that.  except there isn't the corruption and blatant abuse of power.

Well as they say the love of money is the root of all evil. Since you use the services of the system - you implicitly delegate the control of your life to those control freaks. Money is one of the main services of the system. No matter how much they love their money, the fact is - they accumulate ridiculously huge amount of it literally sucking all the energy from working people. Plutocrats are those vampires who consume life energy from people. Thus, abandoning money would serve as a bullet of silver to them.

The nations without money in the past have all been hyper-violent; this occurs because the socialist countries, without a pricing mechanism, run out of resources made in a market system and can't figure how to distribute new ones efficiently enough, thus resulting in a need for this nation to conquer to keep itself going and a need to enslave and murder its own members to keep what's left functioning.  We saw this with the purely moneyless societies of the past and continue to see this with partially socialist nations of today, where non-market institutions interfere and, for example, commit to hidden taxes via inflation to support massive militaries to commence the conquering; the trend is, the more moneyless a society gets (that is, the less money in the hands of the individual controls his surroundings wherein politics supersedes his decision making), the more chaos ensues.

Money is the root of all evil like guns are the root of all murders like books are the root of all philosophy like cat memes are the root of the Internet like art is the root of all creativity like machines are the root of all productivity.  Money is not a symbol of greed; it is merely another tool which is falsely attributed to acts which only humans can commit to.  To wish for the removal of money as a means to attain peace is to wish for the removal of computers as a means to protect children: it's missing the fundamental human component which greed inhabits to begin with.  Money does not inflate itself; money does not initiate war; money does not starve nor impoverish anyone, it is an object, it cannot think or do or say or control.  Only people can do this, and these people exist to commit evil acts with or without the existence of money, and have proven to be much more effective without. (http://www.scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/)

If it's true that voluntary exchange is always peaceful, then world peace is achieved through global voluntaryism.  Nothing more, nothing less; it's not any real puzzle, it's a very basic, logically simple argument--the difficulty is in the emotional toll required of us as a species to recognize where our involuntary associations are and to stop them.  Where we are forced to follow, violence, war, slavery, famine, and other thefts always succeed; peace can only be achieved when these associations end, when we allow each other the right to decide who we will associate with and who we will not, whether it be friends, family, businesses or leaders.  When we assert that someone must be jailed for disagreeing with our politics (say, for example, putting someone in jail because they like a similar gender, or because they wanted to keep their hard-earned cash for themselves), we lend ourselves to the increasing detriment of society.

Money facilitates greed.  Humans facilitate trade.  You can simply ask for something and receive something without the need to hand each other monopoly money.

When you trade something for no monetary gain you are still receiving something in return.  You receive positive energy, peace, happiness, pick your label.  Helping others makes you happy and that is what life is about.  You can own the world but it doesn't mean a damn thing if you're not happy.


I call bullox.  Plenty of civilizations have coexisted with nature through peaceful communities that shared resources.

Money's sole purpose is to mark possession.  It's sole purpose is greed, paint it up as nice as you want, the purpose of money is saying this is mine and that is yours.  Is money the root of all evil?  No, our ego's are.  And money is the tool our ego's invented to facilitate and enable our possessive, greedy, divisionary lifestyles.


That's why I said we must abandon money to attain world peace.  So long as you can buy another man's will, corruption will ensue.

World peace is beyond money, true peace, that is.  World peace is an ascension of human consciousness where negativity no longer encumbers earth and every soul on this planet is gaining inner peace by every passing minute.  When we rid ourselves of negativity, then we are truly free from all restraints and life becomes heaven, anything becomes possible.

With respect to your (presumably) good intentions, unfortunately it is not possible to abandon money. However, it is possible to modify the system so that money will lose its anonymity. Bitcoin is a huge step to make it possible.

That's simply untrue, of course it's possible.  Money does not make the world go round.  Money is a set of made up numbers.  We make the world go round and we can do so way more efficiently than with a financial system retarding progression as a species.

waiting for Vod to post.......   :D

Yes money is a set of made up numbers, but the numbers are real. Everything is made of numbers. Without it consider yourself powerless. Furthermore, if you don't suggest anything better in order to replace money - then it means nothing. You have to calculate things somehow and if you say numbers is not the right way of doing the calculation, then what is the right way?

if some of us abandon money, the others still can buy weapons and bars and slave us. First everyone should destroy all weapons at same time, then abandon money.


But still some thugs will make stone weapons and slave others, so I think the solution should be another way

Well, send me all your bitcoins and cash, i promise to abandon it for you..

we must abondon blind capitalism world wide, and have a more balanced system, socialism is getting there but its not perfect of course, people should stop carring about themselfs and start caring about each other and this won't change unless education being it parental, society or the one you get in school change

 I don't know Ron that sounds kind of crazy. Yeah sounds like you have mental problems.

Name the movie and scene, very famous  ;D

Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. - Jesus (John 14:27)