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What happened::
Myself and a group of members from our local bitcoin club had decided to do a bulk order of a minimum of 12 of theirh 4TH/s units ( http://www.bitcominers.com/shop/bitco-forcer-4-ths-rack-mount-asic-miner/ ) . As we live not even 4 hours from the company we contacted them to do a local pickup. As there is NO record of them being an incorporated business in the state of Illinois, and the Chamber of commerce in Channahon, IL where they say they are located have No record of this business in town. One would have to be heavily insane to wire transfer over $150,000usd to someone with no proof of product or even proof of the business existing and seeing as it is a 4 hour drive, we decided that the only way to verify the company and product was to physically pick them up and pay in cash. Below, you will see the events that transpired while communicating with this company.

Scammers Profile Link:
None that i can find, although they do have some bogus 1 -3 post accounts of people claiming to have bough some of their smaller units with no other activity other than trying to promote the product.

Reference Link:
http://www.bitcominers.com/

Amount Scammed:
They are attempting to scam us out of over $150,000 Luckily we did not send any means of payment after a very thorough investigation

Payment Method:
They claim that they will not accept anything but a direct wire transfer or bitcoin, and decline to use escrow.

Proof of Payment:
No payment has been made yet. although one of our club members is a retired detective and now private investigator as he is retired. Once we can get the name behind the head of the claimed company, we will be sending payment for 1 unit via bank wire transfer and on the assumption that they are not going to deliver, we are going to sue for $100,000 to make sure that they do not scam anyone else.

PM/Chat Logs:

Original e-mail January 4th 2014:

Good morning,

I don’t mean to be the typical cynical skeptic but when I see 4TH/s available for under $13,000 a unit and you stating that they will be ready by January 10th. It raises a few red flags for me. On the bright side, I live only 6 hours away from your published address and I deal in cash. SO if this is in fact a legitimate product and is in fact going to be available in just over a week, I would love to drive on down and buy one or two of them from you in person. I don’t buy into the pre-order game most manufacturers are playing these days. And don’t send money to small companies with little or in your case no history. Its nothing personal. I have purchased over 100 TH/s worth of hardware the past few months and have not been scammed out of a dollar, so I just don’t want to start now. So please. Let me know if this is possible. If this is in fact legit, I would happily take your whole office out for lunch for producing such an amazing product and an amazing price. I also am president of our local bitcoin club with over 250 members, so if it is in fact legit, I could probably return with orders for 10 or more of the 4 TH/s unit.

Respectfully,

Reply Email: January 4th 2014

Hello,

I understand your concern in this matter, but for security reasons, we do not allow visits. It may be possible but later, in 1-2 month, when we will end with bustle that is happens now because of nearest deadline of shipping of our Forcer 4TH/s miners from the first batch.

Best regards,
Brian Lewish

--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners


My reply to them 10 minutes later:

Ok then give me another payment option. I will not wire transfer money without seeing a working product, just as much as you wouldn’t send me the product on my word that when it arrived I would pay you. $13,000 is the price of a small car, you would not wire someone money for a car that you have not seen or been able to test drive. Send it COD, or start taking credit cards. If your company is really lacking in business smarts so much that they are going to lose out on $26,000 in sales over not allowing someone to stop by for 10 minutes to see the machines work and pick them up. Then there is not a doubt in my mind as well as anyone else’s mind that this 4TH/s miner is nothing more than vaporware or a scam. I could have $130,000 worth of these units sold on top of the units I want to buy for myself and have them sold the minute they are available. But nobody is spending a single cent until we see a working product. We have over 250 active members in our bitcoin group between Madison and Lacrosse WI. All within 5 hours drive from you or less, I have at least 10 guys who want to order at least one unit each when I return with working units to prove they work and are real, that is at minimum of $150,000 in sales for your company including the two I wish to purchase.

I really think you should re-think your decision to not let me pick up my miners in person, you could even have someone meet me somewhere with internet connection to show that the unit works. At a police department even if your that worried about it. I don’t give a hoot if you’re selling them out of the basement at your grandmother’s house as long as it is a legitimate working product.  I hate to be the one to call a kettle black, but if you’re willing to pass up over $150,000 minimum in sales this month alone over something so minor as a local pickup on a unit or two to verify its existence and fucntion, there is not a doubt in the world that your product is 100% a sham, and I think that It would make a great project for this month for our 250 members to be sure and warn everyone with a pair of ears or eyes to stay away from your company in general. So lets be sensible here and find a workable solution, We have cash, we want to buy your machines, but we are not spending a penny until we verify their existence. You stand to make a very substantial profit off our sales if the units are real. Or we can spend hundreds upon thousands of man hours making sure that your scam does not make another dollar of the bitcoin community. What I was asking for is not unreasonable, and I certianly was not expecting the shady reply that I just got from you. Beyond that 1-2 months from now those machines won’t be worth half what you’re asking for them as there will be 6TH/s units for the same price in hand ready to ship, no pre-order. The only reason we are standing in line now to buy your units if they are real is because of the ROI before the march surge in hardware on the network.

Their reply an hour later:

We will not loose any sales.
Most of our customers are paying via Bank Transfer, we have enough demand on our products (even more than we can produce).

You are welcome to order miners from another company if you feel it is more comfortable with you.

Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners


Additional Notes:

Now with all that, and having nothing to do on an idle Saturday afternoon we decided that since it was early we were going to take a drive to where they say they are located. at 27380 W Saxony Drive channahon IL. Roughly 4 hours later we arrive at that address (which does not really exist as Saxony drive is an access road behind a bunch of strip malls ) and find the following;  A doctors office, a dental clinic, great clips, a veterinary clinic, little ceasers pizza, some a dollar store. and a nail salon. Every retail location clearly labeled, no other buildings in sight on Saxony drive and we drove it from end to end about 5 times. So needless to say unless they have a top secret underground laboratory with a secret hidden entrance in the middle of a corn field. This business does not exist. Furthermore after a full day exhaustive search there including a search through an irs database. wouldn't you know it. there is not a single person in the entire united states named Brian Lewish who has ever reported an income in the past 50 years.

And to end with, we have notified the IC3 ( http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx ) in the united states and already received a reply that since December 19th they have received over 20 complaints from people. To make it even better, we were politely informed by a sweet old lady on the phone @ the IC3 that as they are claiming to do business overseas as well that they have already passed the case along to the FBI and their anti terrorism department for further investigation based on the nature of the reports.

To aggravate matters worse although i am already sure they are aware, we are notifying the local police department on Monday so they too can launch a formal investigation.


Now please feel free to talk smack and be sure and leave some negative trust comments for me while your at it.

You just saved me some money! I guess the saying 'If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is' applies.

Thank you, and great detective work.

Dont thank me, i'm just the president of the BTC608 club, it was the hard work and determination of our members that brought all this to light. i was just a volunteer to drive down there with a few of them. the real thanks goes out to the following people

John Smart
Dania Moretti
Alexx Jankowski
Tom Thompson
&
James McCain

all from Madison Wisconsin.

Can I have their addresses too? I'd like to send them a little something from my Ghanaian uncle.

Are you asking for their physical addresses? i dont think they would want that information made public on a forum. As is the only reason that their names were shared is because it would have been easy enough to find anyways for anyone who lives in minnisota, wisconsin, iowa, or illinois as our group keeps growing by the day. 2 months old and 250 members already.

Oh wow sounds like they're doing good work. My cousin's over there in Chicago. Can he join up?

The BTC608 group meets in Madison Wisconsin once a month, but if he wants to make the drive up once a month he would be welcome to join. It was mainly formed for members in the 608 area code, but we do have a few from Minneapolis MN, Milwaukee WI, Iowa, and the Chicago area already. so i dont think one more would hurt.

We mainly organize community events such as public speeches for bitcoin awareness, and we do fund raisers for media campaigns. a lot of our time is spent discussing ways to help get local merchants in the 608 area code to start accepting bitcoin, in less than 2 months time we have gotten over 40 businesses including 1 dentist to start accepting bitcoin as payment in the 608 area code.

Although we do at times put together large group purchases for hardware internally for our group, but only for in stock merchandise, and only after we have been able to fly to wherever and do a local pickup and test the machines. Myself and one of our Asian members just went to china a week and a half ago to take a tour of a facility that makes hardware and ordered 100 units that we are selling on ebay  in a few weeks to raise $200,000 for a national television campaign for bitcoin awareness. We have a TV commercial design contest running on this forum under the projects threads.

joining details? cant find on Google

We dont have a website or what not. Not yet anyways. We are discussing it at this months meeting actually, Having started only 2 months ago ( November 9th ) being our first meeting we really did not expect the kind of growth we have had. 33 members at the november meeting, 211 at the december meeting, and now 250 planned for the january meeting. For now we are just using a mailing list to notify everyone of community events and we have finally settled on the meetings being the 3rd Saturday of each month. We still have not settled on a standard meeting place, so far we have just booked a conference room at the radison hotel, but they biggest one they have only hold 275 people so we are going to have to start looking to the future to find a place big enough for us to all meet at.

If you want to send me your e-mail in a PM i can get you put on the mailing list. Also please send your shirt size and i will be sure and have a BTC608 T-shirt at the next meeting. Everyone gets one, and they are free. There are no membership fees.

Just to re-confirm, every last state in the USA has now been checked, and there are no articles of incorporation for Bitco Miners LLC in any state in the USA. We have some people working on tracking down the IP address through their hosting company. and will be working on putting a name to the bank account they want to use for direct bank wire transfers. Also its location. Any of you who have been ripped off already, please contact me. There will soon be a person to hold accountable so you can recover your funds.

Wow, thanks TerraHasher!  I just ran across their website a few minutes ago and saw the 2thps miner at $5700 supposedly "in-hand" and was trying to figure out how to scrape up some money.  I've seen that machine supposedly "in-hand" on ebay going for over $30k. 

Tell all your members to huddle around their bitcoin miners for warmth!  Or put them outside and overclock the hell out of them!   ;D

Wish we had a group like yours here. (NW Washingtons State) I'm tempted to start one, but with my medical issues I'd probably have a very difficult time keeping up with it all.

Thanks for saving me and many others some money!


Korxax



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Hey dear Community,

I ordered a Contract with 157 Ghs and got no Answer or anything like that. I paid with Btc. Is there any Way how i can get my Coins back?

Sorry for my bad English... :D

They've probably already abandoned their site, but I had a 25GHS contract with them that I had paid with BTC and I argued round and round with whoever the person was that was answering the sales@bitcominers.com emails. I guess they finally got tired of me bitching at them and they gave me back my BTC..

I was about to drop $2300 on a 3 month 1THS contract but hesitated and only got the 25GHS for starters.. Glad I didn't give them $2300..

Glad you found the info before you got taken. It really is a full time job being president of a big bitcoin group. Luckily, i pretty much quit my day job in october when i went from being bitcoin rich to bitcoin super wealthy. so i have nothing but time to run a group and sell hardware on ebay. Although paypal has just started freezing every ones account that can be linked to bitcoin in any way so be careful if you are buying or selling on ebay or on any other site for that matter. i just had $54,600 froze. but at the same time got a judge to rule that i can sue them in his court. 

I found the info because it looked too good to be true and did a search.   ;D  Always a good idea for everybody!

I don't work due to the Cluster headaches I get, (kinda like a day long migraine packed into 30-120 minutes, then repeat up to 10 times a day. clusterheadaches.com if you are curious)  They have slowed down recently so I'm doing better, but you're right.  I'm pretty sure I couldn't run a group like that, even though I don't have a job.  I could help, but not run it by myself, I couldn't be reliable enough. But I really do need something productive to do, going stir crazy.  I have a hard time even leaving the house because I'm so light sensitive. And I never know when they will ramp back up and wipe me out again.  

I actually first got interested in bitcoin 3 years ago and had a 5970 at the time, but before I figured out how to get started my headaches ramped up and made it impossible to even think, so I didn't actually get started until very recently.  :'(  I could have been bitcoin rich too.  Oh, well, that's life.  Nothing I can do about it now but get started.  Maybe bitcoin will go over $10k each and at least make me less poor.  lol.  I don't have enough yet for even that to matter though, so I gotta get cracking.   ;)   I ordered a few antminers I found for a not too terrible price, hopefully I can squeeze some cons out of them and then sell them on ebay when I get something better.  Would really love to have a few Thps though.  I made the possible mistake of ordering a butterfly labs 600 Ghps miner, sure hope they don't ship a year late this time...  didn't know about  that at the time.  If you see any deals I'd love to hear about them.  I might be able to scrape up some cash.

That really sucks about the $54k.  Is that from selling bitcoins? or selling mining equipment?  Good luck in court!  I hear Paypal can be real assholes and think your money is theirs.

Thanks again for saving me from a mistake I can't afford!


Korxax



1NtV1q29FtRAYAkMJHMYbASZLiLur2FQe

This is a great post, thanks Terra Hasher.

We've had lots of our customers get scammed by Bitcominers. One guy I spoke to on our live chat said he'd sent them just over 100,000 USD!! How are so many people still finding their site?! Is there no way to contact Google about fraudulent sites ?

I've had private investigator style investors look into me which doesn't feel very nice when you're legit but it's understandable with these kind of scams out there, its just a shame to see and will ultimately harm Bitcoin.

Already contacted google, which ultimately owns ebay and paypal if you dig super deep enough through the corporate vale. As far as they were concerned Advertising dollars are advertising dollars. If you made a bogus website offering to sell ferrari's for $1.00 but would only accept bitcoin and never delivered a single one and the will still let you advertise. They said that they would need a court order to take it down before they would.

Oh well, nothing new in bitcoin economy. Still bunch of speculants, scammers and idiots.

Below is one of the first emails I received from sales@bitcominers.com

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Then a a day or so later I checked the header and did a trace on another one.

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From: Bitco Miners Sales <sales@bitcominers.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:34:33 +0000
Message-ID: <CAAL5tbsKei9oK0wTesT69zyf_mVWY6E0aG33VDP9p0HewTH1fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Your Bitco Miners order receipt from January 2, 2014
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IP Address:  81.133.48.95
Hostname:  host81-133-48-95.in-addr.btopenworld.com
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IP Continent:  Europe
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Looks like they are bouncing around to hide their true location.

It changes every few minutes, the headers are not true, and are generated off a proxy chain, you will find over 1,000 different ip's if you continue to communicate with them.

Lol you should have known it's a scam when it says in stock

Oh gee whizz,  I've just gone and spent my one and only BitCoin on this scam today, is there really nothing I can do to get my money back?

Well I'm glad you think me losing my cyber grubstake is funny but I don't even know what you mean by that "in stock" comment.

I do realise I'm a total newbie in a very wild west world and I should have known better, I guess I'll have to  mark it down as a very expensive lesson.

Paulvis, I don't think that was aimed at you or in reference to you...that seemed to be a comment on the first post, which was to do with buying machinery. The poster is laughing that a company trying a scam and getting caught out.

Sorry for your loss mate, it hurts worse when you are starting out, even though the amount may be smaller :/

Sorry. Typically miners don't ship for a long time and most of those are scams too.

The only legitimate company i know is knc and they could flip any time.

You're right it wasn't aimed at me, sorry about that, I just needed to lash out at someone in my childish anger. Someone posted earlier that BitCoin is a world full of speculators, scamsters and idiots, well I guess I know which camp I'm in. Ouch ???

It's always better to buy Bitcoin and hold it

Hi there, I just sent these guys my one and only bitcoin and now realise I've probably been scammed too, I'd love to know what exactly you said to them and how many emails you had to send to get your BTC's returned.


 

So are there any legitimate mining contract companies?

Greets everyone.

Wow, I'm glad I decided to check on this company.  I was about to plunk down some serious USD's with them.  I've read all that's been said here & till this very moment they are still emailing me.  I've been pretty upfront with them & their e-mails are at best broken english replies, (as if mine were any better if it wasn't for spell checker magic you'd know).

Here's a bit of my correspondence with Mr. Brian Lewish:


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(1st -email)

To: H. Santi
Sent: 01/21/2014


Hello Sir,

We are manufacturers of this miners.
Bitco Forcer 4TH/s miners comes with embedded Raspberry Pi control module, pre-installed Linus OS and miming software. Of course each unit has independent power supply.
To start mining, you only need a monitor, keyboard, mouse and internet connection via Ethernet. In fact, you need 5 minuted to setup and start mining.
Power consumption of Forcer 4TH/s miner is 2550 Watts.

Our miners can be used for Bitcoin mining only and do not support other cryptocurrencies.

For our wholesale buyers (5+ units) we provide 24/7 tech support.
Other customers can contact our tech specialists via email.

Please pay attention, at this moment we have only 12 of Forcer 4TH/s units available in stock.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining





On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:07 AM, H.Santi <blahblahblah@hotmail.com> wrote:
Greetings.  I'm interested in one of your Bitco Forcer 4TH/s Miners if indeed you have one in stock.  I have a few questions first, though if you would.

I need to know if this is plug & play upon receiving it besides configuring the pools?  
What else would I need to get this going? Do I need to purchase any additional hardware such as power supplies & how many?  
What is the overall wattage use?  I'm asking because I didn't seem to find this information on the website.
Which miner software is it compatible with?

Does it come with miner software as part of the setup ready to get mining within minutes of receipt?

Does it support Litecoin mining?

Do you have a link as to where the specifications of this model  on a website?

Are you a reseller?

Can I call someone if & when I purchase it & I have problems that require almost immediate attention for support?

Thank you for your time?




Regards,


H. Santi

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(2nd -email)

To: H.Santi
Sent: 01/21/2014
Picture of Bitco Miners Sales
Sir,

Our miners support only Bitcoin mining and will not have possibility to be upgraded for mining of other cryptocurrencies.
Power supply is build-in.
Each unit comes with power switch adapted, so you can use it with 115V or 220V standard.
All important facts about miner provided on the product page (http://www.bitcominers.com/shop/bitco-forcer-4-ths-rack-mount-asic-miner/). If you need additional specifications, please let me know what exactly you need to know.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 5:24 AM, H.Santi <blahblahblah@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the response. Mr. Lewish.

I am paying attention.
That's ok if you run out of stock. I won't irresponsibly spend my money without asking the proper questions.
Now, I have more questions.
I don't believe all of my questions were answered on my 1st email. Please re-read it.

Is there any possibility of this miner being upgrade-able in the future to support Litecoin or any other coins?

Is the power supply built-in?

Is this power supply provided in the unit using a 115V or 220V? ( I hope not 220V).

Is there a web page listing all the facts about this miner? I can't find one.

Thank you for understanding.

Regards,
H. Santi
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


(3rd -email)

To: Bitco Miners Sales
Cc: H. Santi
Sent: 01/22/2014

OK thank you for the information.  I guess clientele, like myself, ready to buy are not serious enough for your company.  
This is a bad business practice to assume that a potential client is not serious just because, I, as a potential customer, am asking valid questions of a business, yours, before I give you my money, especially an unsecured way, via wire bank transfers.  
If my questions are in anyway putting you of your way. Let me know & I'll just stop looking at your company as a serious business like KncMiners.
As you said to me before in an e-mail, pay attention to how I'm writing to you since this is the way you're writing me.  
I don't know if it's a language barrier you have in English in expressing yourself, but this e-mail I'm responding to was in bad taste coming from you.

Again, if it's a language barrier, then my apologies.

PS: If we're to continue to attempt a possible transaction between us please answer the following:

What is your address info in the U.K?  I need to research your company before monies of this magnitude can exchange hands.
I have friends over there that maybe could make a direct purchase from you.  I'm in the U.S. states.  Are you?

Can I pay you via a check or credit card?  I will not do do a bank transfer unless the money can be placed in escrow.

Good day. & thank you for your time.


Regards,
H. Sant.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi
Any purchased equipment arrives to the customers ?

Yes groupbitcoin.com

I happen to know it's genuine because I run it !

OMG...........I wish I found this sooner.   I am really disgusted to hear this news.  Enough to make me feel sick.

I am such a fool.......this is the 2nd scam I have gone through dealing with bitcoins and mining equipment.  I bet everything I had on this stuff and lost it all.   Might as well pack up a suitcase and become a homeless bum.  Bitcoins have become a curse to me.......they really have.   I've lost all this money and still don't have a single bitcoin in my wallet.  Makes me wanna cry.

 >:( :-[ :o :( >:( >:( :( :( :(

Buddy sorry for that, but in this time you HAVE to be searchin at internet or wait till somebody make review with positive response. Fuckin bitcominers, hope they put them in jail.

And as always: it is too good to be a true

Ehm is anyone already scammed by them? I believe that everyone is still waiting within acceptable terms isn't it?

My status of order is processing..

Ordered January 22, 2014 and no answer.

I let myself be fooled ..

Well you look good but how do I know you're not just another scammer?
Does anyone else from this site have a good word to say about you?
If they do and when I get another BTC, I'll probably give you a go so thanks
I think

I feel the same way mate boo hoo…

I worked so hard to get me my first bitcoin and then just gave it away to a scammer without thinking. I just can't believe how easily I let my guard down on this, it wasn't that it seemed too good to be true but just so good that I had to take action now!!

And wow Google still allowing their ads to run even though they know it's a scam, that's just wrong!!

HELLO,

After reading all the stuff here, I was curious if Bitcominers give a reaction.
So I ordered 1TH on there page and want to have a invoice for my payment.

This is the result from last week, I want to share it with you.

MY ADVISE, DONT ORDER ANYTHING WITH BITCO MINERS!!!

Hello Sir,

I'm sorry about this delay.
Starting from yesterday, we temporary do not accept Bank Transfers because of frequent cases of fraud activity with Bank Transfer payments. Now we accept Bitcoins only.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining



On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:27 AM, MCC2014 wrote:
Hello Brian,

I did not get a reaction on my last mail.
We need your company nr and VAT nr, otherwise we need to pay VAT for the goods you deliver.
(mining contract)

Best Regards
MCC2014


From: MCC2014
To: sales@bitcominers.com
Subject: RE: Your Bitco Miners order receipt from January 27, 2014
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 17:26:17 +0100



Hello Brian,

What is your company nr and VATnr?

Best regards
MCC2014

From: sales@bitcominers.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:14:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Your Bitco Miners order receipt from January 27, 2014
To: MCC2014

Sir,

Yes, we know that some person who don't even our customer and annoyed because he did not got what he want on his own conditions has posted a pointless remarks. It seems like he just wants to promote his Bitcoin club. Please do not take it seriously.

Please find attached invoice.


Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining



On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:26 AM,MCC2014 wrote:

Hello Brian Lewish,

I read a lot of negative stuf about your company, WHY??
Can you provide me with a invoice (or pro-invoice) I need this because I pay from my company bankaccount
and only a order isn't enough.

Best regards

MCC2014

From: sales@bitcominers.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:52:16 +0000
Subject: Re: Your Bitco Miners order receipt from January 27, 2014
To: MCC2014


Hello MCC2014,

Please make a bank transfer using details below.

Janis Construction Ltd.
IBAN: GB93 BARC 2095 6100 6377 34
BIC/Swift code: BARCGB22
Bank Name: BARCLAYS BANK PLC
Branch address: 46A Ballards Lane, Finchley, London, N3 2BB, United Kingdom

*some countries requires 11-digit Swift Code. In this case please use BARCGB22XXX

Payment reference: Order #xxxxx

Amount: $2,250.00

After sending of bank transfer, please let us know (and send the copy of receipt, if it is possible), so we can track your payment and proceed the order as soon as possible.



Best regards,
Brian Lewish
--
Sales Department,
Bitco Miners



www.bitcominers.com - Advanced hardware for Bitcoin mining



On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:53 AM, MCC2014 wrote:

Hello,

Can you provide me with the bankdetails, and give me a call!!

Best regards

MCC2014


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:51:28 +0000
To: MCC2014
From: sales@bitcominers.com
Subject: Your Bitco Miners order receipt from January 27, 2014


Thank you for your order
Your order has been received and is now being processed. Your order details are shown below for your reference:
Please contact our Sales Department (sales@bitcominers.com) to get the payment details for the Bank Transfer.
Include your order number in payment reference/description (“Order #XXXX”)

Anyone received a mining contract payment, product, or refund recently?

I have ordered miner, cost 2199USD. Unfortunately I paid.
I canceled the order, of course they answered that they return me money, but it was last message from them.
Now they not answer  for may emails.

The bank account details which I recived from them is:
    Account Name: NH Equipment Ltd.
    Account Number: 13029859
    Sort Code: 20-52-74
    Bank Name: BARCLAYS BANK PLC
    IBAN: GB93 BARC 2052 7413 0298 59
    BIC: BARCGB21 (*some countries requires 11-digit Swift Code. In this case please use BARCGB22XXX)


But from the previouse post in this topic you can notice different account number/id.
Janis Construction Ltd.
IBAN: GB93 BARC 2095 6100 6377 34
BIC/Swift code: BARCGB22
Bank Name: BARCLAYS BANK PLC
Branch address: 46A Ballards Lane, Finchley, London, N3 2BB, United Kingdom

On the web page you can check informations about this fake companies. Of course this is scam.
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/nh-equipment
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/janis-construction


They are definitely scammers.

I lost  2199USD. I plan to report it on the police.

Well we started in November as a group buy for some equipment, we have lots of happy members it's a bit sad really that people only seem to get mentioned on here for doing bad stuff, for ripping people off. Haven't seen anyone talk about us much and we've got quite a lot of members now we're on cloudminingreviews.com but not much else.

Really horrible to see people STILL getting scammed by Bitcominers I first heard about them from someone on our live chat trying to get me to order from their website in broken English?! then a few of our customers told me they'd been ripped off.

Any scams will normally be mentioned somewhere on here, shame people don't check out the forums before they buy, surely if they accepted Bank Transfers to a UK account for a while the police will catch up with them ? Surely It's pretty hard to run a fake Barclays account ?!

From personal experience you have to provide a lot of info! to open a Barclays business account. I would strongly suggest you contact Barclays ASAP in the morning explain exactly what happened maybe send a link to this thread, they should hopefully freeze these accounts while they investigate it and you might even recover some of the frozen funds if they've taken loads of orders there should be lots of money which is hard to move especially if its a new account you can't exactly take it all out in cash.

I'm certain if someone calls Barclays that has been scammed tomorrow and explain whats happened they will limit those two mentioned accounts and investigate the business.

Your order has been received and is now being processed. Your order details are shown below for your reference:
Please send your bitcoin payment as follows:
Amount (BTC):    
2.74410323
Address:    
15NqaDNJnyR8oYYMq9Jy8B7LR8JQr25tKu
QR Code:    

Please note:

    You must make a payment within 1 hour, or your order will be cancelled
    As soon as your payment is received you will receive email confirmation with order delivery details.

Order: #2448
Product    Quantity    Price
Per 1 TH/s Bitcoin Mining Contract (3 month) (#BTC1T03M)
   1    $2,250
Cart Subtotal:    $2,250
Shipping:    Free Insured Worldwide Express Delivery (DHL Or FedEx By Our Choice)
Order Total:    $2,250
Additional information

Your Bitcoin Wallet (for Bitcoin Mining Contracts):



iv sent them over $3000 for 1.1 ths and now your telling me this..... im so stupid dont know what to do now my coin is sitting in there bitcoin account.
https://blockchain.info/address/1AxvR8dCUZWzvooPGo1km2UAkJtmKFsQ2s

I have atleast 15 emails from them

I have there banking info also. i have talk to them for over 1 1/2 months i dont understand how this could happen

i fought wildland fire to get that money it was all i had. man if any one knows anything i can do to get some of it back please tell me

There's not a great deal you can do if you've sent them Bitcoin, If you have their Bank details contact the bank they're with ASAP and hope the Police catch up with them before all the monies gone. $3000 is a lot of money but it would never buy 1.1TH/s cloud mining for a long long time.

why is there site still up? every one help me to take it down b4 they can steal other peoples money. Let me here your battle cry brothers!!

Im sry to hear about what happen to you Groupcoin i just dont know what to do now i cant believe i was that dumb. here is all the info they gave me if it help any one track them down.

You Sent

2.74420323 BTC ($ 2,216.58)

Value at time of transaction $ 2,245.69

Hash
f5eec48051df46ab2a7a889cb...
Sent Time
2014-02-01 20:41:35 (+3 minutes to confirm)
Confirmations
328 Confirmations
Double Spend
No Double Spend Detected
Transaction Fee
0.0001 BTC

Your order has been received and is now being processed. Your order details are shown below for your reference:

Please contact our Sales Department to get the payment details for Bank Transfer.
Include your order number in payment reference/description (“Order #XXX”)
Payment Details

    Account Name: NH Equipment Ltd.
    Account Number:
    Sort Code: 20-52-74
    Bank Name: BARCLAYS BANK PLC
    IBAN: GB93 BARC 2052 7413 0298 59
    BIC: BARCGB21 (*some countries requires 11-digit Swift Code. In this case please use BARCGB22XXX)

Yea.. I got owned for USD 70. I tested the waters first (it looked too good to be true). I thought what the hell.. let's rip :D

I would never give a unknown company with no track record more than that (70 was too much in any case).

Supposedly pay out is 30 days after contract was activated, so in 5 days time I'm suppose to get payment. I'm not getting my hopes up, but lets see.


But I see a scammers paradise with bitcoin mining. You can make insane amount of bitcoin with little repucation.  Post a few group buys or just fake website, decent prices and voila. Easy bitcoins.


edit: Reading about the change in banking details (or not accepting all of a sudden) tells me it's 100% scam.

Me and my friends made an order together for 650ghs on 11.january, so first bitcoins should arrived to my wallet next week :)

I changed some emails with "BRIAN", and he was quite polite and english was also pretty good.
I asked him, why they keep coins so long, why they dont offer at least a weekly pay out, but his answers were diplomatic.
The price per ghs was extremely good - i was thinking, that the reason for that is, they have a possibility to sell them via MtGox for very good prices and then buy another via bitstamp or so + if they manufacture the HW, the cost of machines are much lower, than BFL or KNC.. I dont know why i was so greedy and stupid..

After 2weeks, my good friend called me - Hey they changed their contracts, 1ths+ contract have wekkly pay out scheme, WE HAVE TO order one..
I was very surprised and lucky, but i had also bad feel from ordering another power from them  -especially when we didnt received coins from first contract..
Unfortunatlly, after few days, i agreed with his proposal and ordered another 1ths contract for 2250usd -- 50/50 Me/friend. I paid in BTC of course..

Now, i found this topic.. :-/

+ i lost 1.49btc, which i sent from my Multibit wallet to another personal wallet, so hell yeah - good days for me in bitcoin field :-/.

Btw - let these mothf----- down!

PeeT

Can i report it to the police online? I'm from Poland.

So, there is no way to get your money back now? To bad this scammers can get away with all of it..
I see now their facebook page and twitter account are gone.. I was logged in when it happened and
i saw they changed their facebook account to qwe*** something, i did not see it all thou i was in a
hurry reading this scam-rapport..
I was really looking forward to get in to cloud mining, but now all my invest are gone..  :( guess we
need to learn the hard way..
If any has some tips to some nice mining contracts i´m all ears.

And also, i´m a little bit confused about the thread starter, screaming scam but the user itself has a
-4 in trust.. Can we trust him/her?

Sure, everybody´s assuming scam, they don´t deliver and the whole "to good to be truth" thing going
on, but i still think it is so confusing nobody has anything to complain until now, what happened to all
the ones ordering from them? Why haven´t we heard anything until now recently?

Where they good until one point or scammers all the way?

Sometimes it takes a scammer to know a scammer :)

Guys, rly.

Why did u actually sent BTC or real money to them? Don't u think it's strange, that this page is selling 2TH/s miners much lower and "in stock" compared to other "real" companies telling they will send them out on march/april this year?

That page is claming to sell bitmine.ch miners. So i emailed bitcmine.ch support, asking if they know that shop and if they are cooperating with it.
Here is the answer i got:


I hope this is helpfull for someone.

Check out groupbitcoin.com if you're still looking into cloud mining, I happen to know it's genuine because I run it !

Thanks. I would've liked to rent a miner from them. It sucks cause they had good prices :P If only it was true

ALmost fell for the 1Ths weekly pay scam. But no way I'm handing USD 2000+ over on the web without knowing a company at all.

i called the police and the FBI are looking into them. its international theft i guess. i sent them one last email saying "When your buba's b***h I'll buy you a honey bun to take the taste out of your mouth"  ;D

take it from me being a ripped off for $3000 sucks!!!! but lesson learned and i hope that know one else has to go though this with theses guys

Dear Forum,

I am wictim of that website, too.
I ordered totally 50GH/s bitcoin mining for 3 months at January, 22, 2014.
I wait to my order will be processed. They said that it is processing.

Today is 5th February. It means that more than 12 days are gone out.
But they said “launch in 7 days”.
Fortunately, my waste of money cost is nearly 100 dollars valued as bitcoin.
I did not use Bank Wire Transfer. Because I live in Turkey.

I wish I would see your post before I purchased some b.s orders from bitcominers.com
I noted that their website is not opening at this time.
Also, some users may ordered 4TH/s contracts, too as their comments on BitcoinScammers link;
http://bitcoinscammers.com/bitcominers-com/#comment-1427

Unfortunately, that website has got best offer, but it is not real.  :'(

hey who was hosting Bitcominers? i found cloudflare but im just not sure

So their website went down  :-\. There goes our money.

Just very happy I'm out $70... and not more. Sorry for everyone that invested more...

Edit : I would love to know how much they made in 2 months. By the sounds of it, freaking  $100k + easily.

Let us know those personalities and we pay 50BTC.
We WILL find them and we WILL hunt them down  8)

Hi all, i'm from Italy,
unfortunately i paid 50 GH and now i think it's lost.
Is there a possibility to report the matter to the police in US?
Better with email...
Thanks.
Luca


ps: since yesterday website is down.
Two week ago, another problem with database connection broken... only a wordpress problem.

Time to dox

Recently i conducted a complaint on the boreau of investigation against internet crimes  in the UK. The website has been taken down. The process of investigation is ongoing ... I suggest you open more complaints so they will have more data to complete the case. A big hug to all ... and report right now!

http://www.actionfraud.police.uk

If you take the time to look at why Terrahasher's trust is low it's because he mistakenly called another site a scam and it turned out they were legit and fairly well known to others on the site who rallied to their defense and bashed Terrahasher.  He did apologize to the site he mistakenly called a scam and retracted his accusation, but the damage was done to his rep already and the people that gave him negative trust didn't retract.  I chatted with him a little shortly after this thread was launched and he seemed like a good guy that was just trying to help everyone out, but made a mistake on one scam accusation.

A tip for everyone is always take the time to do some searches on any company before you send any money.  I found bitcominers and was about to place an order, but did a search first and found this thread and a few others that warned me off.  I know it's tempting when you see a good price for an item that is never in stock to jump on it quickly before it sells out.  But that is exactly what they are counting on.  There are real losses and opportunity losses.  You are far better off risking an opportunity loss while you do some research than taking a real loss and sending money to a scammer.  If it looks too good to be true, it probably is, and tread very lightly.

I wish you all the best of luck in getting at least some of your money back, but I hate to tell you even if you do it will likely be years.  Any money is now "evidence" and you likely won't see it back until any legal proceedings against the "company" are finished.  Even then it will likely be a fraction of what you put in.  Occasionally people get all their money back, but it is rare.  I suggest you contact the bank listed previously, your country's law enforcement agency for this type of crime, the appropriate UK police agency, and the FBI in the US since they claim that's where they are located.

Sorry for your losses and best of luck in the future.

Korxax


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Your all welcome, it took a month, but the group made sure they website died. Sorry for ignoring you all for the month, i just got a little fed up with all the 10 yr olds on this forum and their dick measuring contests when not a one of them has over 1mm to speak of. Anyways, another scam dead and Interpol is still investigating to find the culprits.

I also mined some when it came out. Hope difficulty stays low because the value keeps going up

What do you want on the logo?

Thank-you for taking time to answer me! I don't have any idea on how to get my money back but I will try to look in to it!

Unfortunately, I also have bought  some contracts from them. Very Stupid!

They just used photoshop. its a Cooltek U2 case.
http://s13.postimg.org/r57qj546v/bitcoscam.jpg

Real case model.
http://www.alternate.nl/p/230x230/t/tdihcd.png


More shops where they still try to sell the fake products.
http://tornadoasic.com/
https://www.facebook.com/bitcoinMinersHardwareMalaysia?ref=stream


http://tgullen02.en.ec21.com/Original_Hot_Selling_Bitco_Forcer--8743480_8743539.html

Hi all, I got scammed by them for 2 btc... But, I just find this today,
http://minerwarehouse.com
So, what do u think? Looks familiar right. Who could help to dig them up... I am quite sure it's the same guys.

yeah most likley the same guys they got me for about 4 BTC when it was around $750. they have like 15 sites their using to steal so just watch your self. CEX is the one of the best deals there GHS is around $5 per GHS check it out https://cex.io/r/2/laxsmarts/0/
If any one would like to help me, any thing would help 1DkyNt8R1NDRmMPSU6Hr2A5j2XBZ3xGzB1

Also i would never buy a miner with a picture of it that you can plainly see has been drawn. like http://minerwarehouse.com/product/alpha-technologies-viper-scrypt-asic-25mhs-batch-1-spot-pre-order/

it's fake don't buy from them

you guys could look into https://bit-mining.co/?ref=22953 . but i'v kinda have had some trouble with them i sent a little coin there and then a couple weeks later the GHS i bought was gone. But other people seem to be doing ok with them

There's no relation between Nicehash and IPOMiner, stop calling them Scammers -_-

100% Scammer we lost USD 6770 on 3 month ago.
I send detail to IC3 ,Bank ,Police and follow to check same scam.