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Or did Bruce make all this up?

Did anyone here actually contact the FBI?
Do you know if it's a fact the FBI was contacted at all?

I'm just wondering, considering the connections coming to light concerning Tod Williams and Bold Funding and it's possible relation to Tom Williams and MyBitcoin.com.

Are we absolutely sure that Bruce made this report?
Has anyone else been in contact with them?
Is it possible Bruce is lying about contacting the FBI and has an established relation with the so called "Tom Williams"?
 ???

My personal recollection is that no-one did, by the way. The Bitcoin Police lot also ended up giving up on investigating MyBitcoin because no one affected by it was willing to get law enforcement involved or file a lawsuit themselves.

(Full disclosure: I am a SA member; in fact Bitcoin convinced me to finally sign up.)

This is very interesting. Is there anyone here that contacted the FBI about MyBitCoin? I never used MyBitCoin in the first place, but watched the entire drama unfold. It just never felt right, but then again I'm an overcautious person.

I am pretty sure one of the more seasoned SA members is preparing a full report with citations as evidence to the FBI.  I remember reading about it last night, I will try to located the thread post.

It should be noted that SA has assisted law enforcement all over the country on countless prior occasions, regarding fraud and crime.

You don't have to convince me, that somethingaweful forums is FULL of law enforcement officers, most of whom work for the Banksters and hate bitcoin.

But I think you completely missed the point of this post. If Bruce never made the initial complaint like he claimed he did, then he's the dead ringer for the elusive Tom Williams, given this newly uncovered info.

BTW folks, who was ALWAYS the BIGGEST promoter of MyBitcoin.com?

None other than Bruce!

I just finished going over all the linked evidence and the first thing that came to mind is "Was The FBI Really Involved In The MyBitcoin.com" fiasco. The evidence is by far enough for any rational person to gain suspicion. The link to Tom Williams and Tod Williams quite the coincidence. This is a Dinosaur in the room and why aren't people talking more about it? I suspect something big is building.

Bitcoins were created to be used a certain way(no 3rd party). If you use them differently, you void the warranty.

That is a very good question, one I have been waiting to learn an answer to. Since brooce and Adrianne accused me of stealing the MBC, I've been expecting the knock on the door.

Really, I'm tired of waiting for the other shoe to drop. Perhaps I'll walk over with a lawyer to RCMP tomorrow and find out for myself. Better than than get rousted by a swat team or whatever.

No point in driving. I live almost next door to the main police station. Everyone knows where I live. And where my office is, and my country home and my phone number. In fact, even my aged mother is in the phone book.

Not running from scam victims or from the law. Not like brooce the con artist.

I wonder now what Adrianne thinks of her relationship with brooce. Still keen to protect those sources huh girl? Maybe it would be better for you to roll over on yer buddy now before your publisher meets my Bronx lawyers? No point in protecting that nest of vipers. You know how to reach me. Everyone does.

Call the FBI and ask them.  Let us know what you find out.

It was exposed that a TodWilliams posted positively about Bold Funding and was an avid supporter through a forum a few years back. It's an extreme coincidence that tod Williams is one letter off from Tom Williams, and with Bruce's history with MyBitcoin.com it sounds more than suspicious so needs investigating.
See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40322.0
and here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40317.0

I filed a report with the FBI. It was only 70 bitcoins, but I figure the more people who file, the better the chance there is they will do something - still unlikely

Did they indicate to you that you were the only person that reported this? Were you assigned a special agent to check on the disposition of the case?

I'm not interrogating you or anything, but this is important information. If only one complaint was filed, there's probably not much that will be followed up upon. But if there were several, there may be a case being put together and that is important to know if anything's going to be moving on this.

I got exactly what I expected from a government organization to which I have donated hundreds of dollars to involuntarily - that is, nothing.

What's more important though, is whether or not Bruce filed a complaint. Unless we know for sure that he did, we may assume now, that he did not.

At least, I will assume this, until I have proof he actually filed or contacted them.

Being a non-US resident, I suppose that it would be pointless myself contacting the FBI?

I didn't lose too many BTC's with mybitcoin, but I am willing to file a report if anyone thinks it is worthwhile.

Still no word from "You Know Who".....  :-X

The FBI has field offices in many countries. This page here will let you selcet contact info by country for them. http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/legat

That is something that I did not know. There is an office in London, and I will be contacting them very shortly (just as soon as the caffeine kicks in).

Thanks :)

The #bitcoin-police are interested in anyone who wants to pursue mybitcoin in meatspace. There is a fair amount of information that is not publically available that could help your legal case/discovery.

I never thought mybitcoin.com was a good idea lol.  ::)

Yeah, and he continued promoting them for weeks despite multiple people losing their coins and several public pleas for him to stop promoting them.

 Do you have some place you can link to where he made that claim? I am very curious because in the Bitcoin Show episode 33 where he talks about My Bitcoin he very clearly states he did not contact the FBI but that it was the FBI that contacted him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE  @ 31:10
 and back a few minutes at about 26:40+ he says the FBI "they're saying.. they're asking me to ask you if you've been affected by this...." to contact them.

p.s Here is the bitcoin addy Bruce listed to donate to Onlyonetv 14LhFtZu3aYYxpcKco3i6nRTW3ersuEqtq  no clue if its one he used any place else.
p.s.s  He states also that they only paid .60c each for the 25k bitcoin to stash, to umm, not quite stashing several hundred thousand there as I saw some people had suggested.


 Now, in my own very personal opinion and after spending way too many hours looking into Bruce and taking into account what little info there is floating around on Tom Williams/Mybitcoin I have a very hard time making the leap to Bruce having any connection any further than what has been stated by him. Saying that is not intented to rule him out but I am fairly confident that if you have any desire to get to the bottom of Mybitcoin it will be better served through getting a court order first in Nevis to get info from Morning Star Holdings on Mybitcoin LLC and not by trying to find a connection between tom williams and Bruce because it does not appear to be there.

 Though I have to admit seeing all the 'william(s)' references in the forclosure thing, positive poster Tod Williams, some names listed as plantiffs, 4 of them with the last name william and a very favorite spot to have icecream in a childhood since past, being named Tom's. The family of which has a maiden name of William shared among several is very very spooky to say the least. It is just as likely that the Mybitcoin perp found this info and there after made the decision to use 'Tom Williams' on his filings in Nevis... All creepy speculation without a lot more detective work than I can do in my 'spare' time, thats for sure.



Full Disclosure; I think SA smells like cheese bisctuis and has become full of newfags since I left their graces some 5-6 years ago...

BZZT.

Bitcoins may have cost 60 cents each when he bought them but they were north of 10 bucks each when they were "stolen." He has a rather sizable court judgment against him. The $15,000 that 25K bitcoin at 60 cents each would cost should have gone to the victims of Bruce's past fraud, not into an investment. The $250,000+ that 25K bitcoins were worth at the point Bruce supposedly lost control of them most certainly should have gone to the victims, especially since he was ordered by a judge to compensate them.

Can't say that I can disagree with you. I am simply pointing out how much cash was spent into them acquiring their bitcoins as a lot of people seemed to be very confused about it.

I apologize for the tone of my response to you, then. I misconstrued the intent of what you had said on that line.

There's a paradox in there.

if "The $15,000 that 25K bitcoin at 60 cents each would cost should have gone to the victims of Bruce's past fraud, not into an investment" was true
then "The $250,000+ that 25K bitcoins were worth at the point Bruce supposedly lost control of them most certainly should have gone to the victims" would be impossible

Yeah, it's impossible, which is kind of the point.

Bruce ended up with more than $250K that he could have put towards his past mistakes if he was actually sorry about it as he tried claiming in another post. The fact he even HAD that $250K proved he isn't actually sorry, though, because the $15K he invested belonged to his victims. Instead, he invested it for himself.

Even if he wants to try the argument "Well, that $15K wouldn't have made a difference, it wasn't nearly enough, I did take way, way more than that from the victims" the fact he sat on $250K and didn't use that to pay the judgments down is pretty good evidence that he had decided "well, screw the victims. AGAIN!"