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Title: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on August 31, 2011, 04:30:38 PM
I understand the admin of this BBS is only trying to keep the spammers down and for that i congratulate them but these newbie restrictions are a bit much IMHO.

Simple Q&A CAPTCHA can keep out most bots in SMF.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: EducatedHero on August 31, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
But paid trolls do exist !!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on August 31, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
But paid trolls do exist !!

Sure but if someone where paying me money to troll here then a 4 hour 5 post limit wouldent do much to stop me.

All it really does it makes this forum very inconvenient for new users.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: EducatedHero on August 31, 2011, 04:45:49 PM
aye, I do agree but there are some seriously dumb people that take advantage of the newbie forums. Just to allude that bitcoins is an obsolete option as an alternative currency. We need math, lol.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on August 31, 2011, 04:49:18 PM
Alright admins, i have been online for over 4 hours and made 10 posts now so why cant i post a new thread in the marketplace section??????

I just have some xbox360 games i want to sell sheesh :-\


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: EducatedHero on August 31, 2011, 04:50:23 PM
lol! i'm surprise no-one made a video game involving bitcoins.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on August 31, 2011, 04:56:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/Gn2BE.jpg


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: greyhawk on August 31, 2011, 04:57:46 PM
You will need to have 4 ACTIVE hours logged. Check to the top left to see your logged in time. It is not enough to just let the site sit in the background. You need to actively surf on the site for 4 hours.

EDIT: And as I'm writing it seems you just reached "Jr. Member". You should be able to post elsewhere now.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on August 31, 2011, 05:03:11 PM
yep its working now YAY!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: kenjiro on August 31, 2011, 05:36:39 PM
Hello. I agree that these restrictions are annoying, but if it is good for the site then OK to be inconvenience a little the new users.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on August 31, 2011, 06:00:21 PM
Stop being skids and Lurk Moar!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: vernik on August 31, 2011, 07:06:39 PM
;D ;D really! Postman, help us!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: castlegoat on August 31, 2011, 10:21:26 PM


aahhhhhhhhhhahhah you a genius


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Stalin-chan on August 31, 2011, 10:35:06 PM
Its extremely annoying because the total time logged in never increases. I understand its "active" online time. But frankly the newbie forum is not that active and there isn't anything I can do to be active short of reading threads that I can't even reply to yet.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: castlegoat on August 31, 2011, 10:58:15 PM
Its extremely annoying because the total time logged in never increases. I understand its "active" online time. But frankly the newbie forum is not that active and there isn't anything I can do to be active short of reading threads that I can't even reply to yet.

Yeah, it's SO FRUSTRATING. Gaahhhh just wish I could pariticipate in all those other threads out there, but I'm  stuck in the kiddie pool hoping nobody takes a shit in it.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Stalin-chan on August 31, 2011, 11:01:29 PM
Its extremely annoying because the total time logged in never increases. I understand its "active" online time. But frankly the newbie forum is not that active and there isn't anything I can do to be active short of reading threads that I can't even reply to yet.

Yeah, it's SO FRUSTRATING. Gaahhhh just wish I could pariticipate in all those other threads out there, but I'm  stuck in the kiddie pool hoping nobody takes a shit in it.

The worst part is sitting there refreshing the page waiting for someone to at least reply to you so you can actually type out a post.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: castlegoat on August 31, 2011, 11:09:42 PM
Exactly, this is pretty much just forcing low-content posts just to get your count up.  What a short-sighted policy.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: BurntSnow on September 01, 2011, 01:41:38 AM
I think it's a good idea to weed out the trolls and spammers. It's a bit harsh on newbies that are active, but if they're active 4 active hours is nothing.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Bitobsessed on September 01, 2011, 01:49:12 AM
I usually don't have alot to say.  But certain recent events have me wanting to say a few things in some of the forums above!   


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: joulesbeef on September 01, 2011, 01:52:56 AM
I didnt like it at first, i like it now, I even think some people need to stay in the noob section longer.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: helloworld on September 01, 2011, 02:11:42 AM
Exactly, this is pretty much just forcing low-content posts just to get your count up.  What a short-sighted policy.

Agreed. Even worse than 'low content' would be wrong or mis-leading content.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: gibson042 on September 01, 2011, 02:26:03 AM
I usually don't have alot to say.  But certain recent events have me wanting to say a few things in some of the forums above!   

I agree with this, but don't see a way around it without some kind of "rookie" plugin for SMF that doesn't place posting restrictions on people unless veteran users censure them into the Newbie section during an initiation period. And that would be a fair amount of effort for which there is little incentive.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: didgydont on September 01, 2011, 02:49:54 AM
As annoying as the restrictions are. I applaud the idea I actually find it a bit amusing and there for hard to be upset about. :P


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Revalin on September 01, 2011, 08:44:22 AM
It also cuts down on FAQs in the rest of the board.

The only downsides for a highly-active site like this (which isn't dying for lack of users) is that it's annoying for those of us who're already conversant in the subject, and it makes the newbie forum's signal to noise ratio pretty low.

... due in part to posts like this.  :(  I'm doing my best to stay relevant until the hazing is over.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Surawit on September 01, 2011, 11:38:27 AM
What was that about low-content posts?


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Stalin-chan on September 01, 2011, 12:10:11 PM
As I said in another post there is a simple way to circumvent the newbie forums through javascript, however I don't want to encourage people to do this unless they can figure it out themselves.

Edit: apparently now encouraging people to learn javascript is trolling so I take back my statements and I encourage everyone to stay as far away from javascript as possible. It is too late for me but maybe you all can be saved.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: helloworld on September 01, 2011, 01:41:10 PM
What was that about low-content posts?

+1


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: TwistedPair on September 01, 2011, 02:01:11 PM
What was that about low-content posts?

+1


+1 Agreed


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Stalin-chan on September 01, 2011, 02:01:41 PM

+3


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: TwistedPair on September 01, 2011, 02:11:06 PM
Maybe some form a minimal bitcoin deposit which is refunded after a bit could work too. A sort of fasttrack registration.

A small portion could be kept by bitcointalk to pay for server maintenance.

My two cents.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on September 01, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
Let the admins tremble at the newbie revolution! lol  ;D


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Doedskvad on September 01, 2011, 02:49:37 PM
We will no longer be kept from posting all over the boards!

Newbies of all countries, unite!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: skilo on September 01, 2011, 03:02:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/1lHK1.jpg


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Doedskvad on September 01, 2011, 03:03:54 PM
Aw, Commiecat so cute!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: voodoo on September 01, 2011, 03:05:53 PM
Its extremely annoying because the total time logged in never increases. I understand its "active" online time. But frankly the newbie forum is not that active and there isn't anything I can do to be active short of reading threads that I can't even reply to yet.

Yeah, it's SO FRUSTRATING. Gaahhhh just wish I could pariticipate in all those other threads out there, but I'm  stuck in the kiddie pool hoping nobody takes a shit in it.

It's no big deal.  ;D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VwF6unx1NPY/SsNg87q7PkI/AAAAAAAAD1o/nIWiyRPX8sU/s400/caddyshack_baby_ruth.jpg


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Ustler on September 01, 2011, 03:11:08 PM
Please let me out of Newbie Jail.. Why not simply allow users to flag postings and if the number of flagged postings exceeds a certain number, then send them to newbie purgatory.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Ayukawa on September 01, 2011, 05:53:03 PM
Maybe there are too many trolls (which now stay away from the forum, thanks to the newbie rules), so the admins were not able to ban all of them as suggested :-)

Who knows, besides the people who implemented this approach?

So let's take it easy, the hurdles are not too high.
And ... can't you move your high quality posts later out of the newbie forum yourself, after you achieved accreditation? Or is this not possible?



Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: pollus on September 01, 2011, 07:45:29 PM
It is better to write five posts over here then to get content-less post later on.

You came over here to get proper answers and discuss particular subjects you do not want to get hidden advertisements and other funny thigns that will annoy you more :)


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Hatman on September 01, 2011, 10:52:45 PM
I have to agree. There are many other different ways to stop spammers and you can always mute people who post in the wrong section more than once, then ban if they keep on doing it.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 01, 2011, 11:55:22 PM
If you have a high quality thread/post let a user that is allowed to post on that thread, post on that thread with reference to your post.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: ira on September 02, 2011, 12:02:52 AM
I concur.

This is definitely not a low content post!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 02, 2011, 12:21:56 AM
I concur.

This is definitely not a low content post!
Your sub-comment is irrelevant unless you explain why you concur.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: tysat on September 02, 2011, 12:34:15 AM
Trolls spamming new accounts to spam post is annoying.

Newbie restrictions are great!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 02, 2011, 12:48:59 AM
Trolls spamming new accounts to spam post is annoying.

Newbie restrictions are great!
;D

I'm 100% behind that. I kind of wish the restriction was a bit tougher though.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: tysat on September 02, 2011, 12:50:13 AM
Trolls spamming new accounts to spam post is annoying.

Newbie restrictions are great!
;D

I'm 100% behind that. I kind of wish the restriction was a bit tougher though.

It did used to be 50 posts when it was first put in place... I remember that because I had joined then it was put in place and I was stuck in the newbie section for a little while till I could get white listed.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 02, 2011, 12:51:49 AM
Trolls spamming new accounts to spam post is annoying.

Newbie restrictions are great!
;D

I'm 100% behind that. I kind of wish the restriction was a bit tougher though.

It did used to be 50 posts when it was first put in place... I remember that because I had joined then it was put in place and I was stuck in the newbie section for a little while till I could get white listed.
It's still (or I think) 50 post before you can have images in your signature.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: dark_silverstar on September 02, 2011, 03:11:45 AM
well it's only standard rule on every forum. if you don't like it you can find another forum  ;D


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Dinoking on September 02, 2011, 03:49:47 AM
It's not to big of a problem  :D


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: gbone on September 02, 2011, 06:29:25 AM
so how long should I wait before I can PM someone ? i need to contact a person nickname DoubleC, I think he is admin of bitcoinpark.com, because I make a mistake: double sending to an expire address. That annoys me so much since you can use old address at mt.gox. And no email address or something to contact the site manager on the website!  :-[


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Arachnotron on September 02, 2011, 06:28:31 PM
Sure it's annoying, but how else do you expect to make someone earn *somewhat* of a reputation before communicating with the community at large? Think of it as a IQ test to get into something like mensa. It keeps most of the idiots out.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: gibson042 on September 02, 2011, 06:42:43 PM
Sure it's annoying, but how else do you expect to make someone earn *somewhat* of a reputation before communicating with the community at large? Think of it as a IQ test to get into something like mensa. It keeps most of the idiots out.

It's possible, but not nearly as annoying, to give everyone the benefit of doubt before applying restrictions.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Arachnotron on September 02, 2011, 06:46:22 PM
True, maybe a system like reddit would be better, let the community decide which posts and posters should be upvoted and downvoted, and individuals can then decide which posts they will ignore.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: DiaperedDynamo on September 02, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
True, maybe a system like reddit would be better, let the community decide which posts and posters should be upvoted and downvoted, and individuals can then decide which posts they will ignore.
Sounds good to me.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Richard Rahl on September 02, 2011, 07:53:37 PM
I can't say that I'm a fan of this procedure. I've seen many other forums do it in many different ways and most handle things much better. I have only seen one who has done it in this way, but I don't think they did it for the same reasons.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Dist on September 02, 2011, 09:43:33 PM
I usually don't have alot to say.  But certain recent events have me wanting to say a few things in some of the forums above!   

Me too.. Wrote a android app, wanted to reply thanks for the kind words from someone else on a thread and found out that I can't.. Not a good policy..

I've been on the site lurking many times, finally registered and found the 4 hour block...


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 03, 2011, 06:04:27 AM
I usually don't have alot to say.  But certain recent events have me wanting to say a few things in some of the forums above!  

Me too.. Wrote a android app, wanted to reply thanks for the kind words from someone else on a thread and found out that I can't.. Not a good policy..

I've been on the site lurking many times, finally registered and found the 4 hour block...
As much as you want to say "Thank You", you should know that there are 10x more people behind you to say "That Sucks!"...
People will create multiple accounts to slander a thread.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: platorin on September 03, 2011, 01:49:00 PM
Well, this might be annoying, but really, this is no such a big deal to spend 4 hours on forum and write 5 posts. Just put a little effort!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: rgraham on September 03, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Ya it really doesnt take to much to browse around and find something to contribute!


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Richard Rahl on September 03, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
Odd that my total time logged in isn't changing.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: NothinG on September 04, 2011, 01:35:34 AM
Odd that my total time logged in isn't changing.
Updates every ~30min-1hr.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: DiaperedDynamo on September 04, 2011, 03:42:04 AM
For those of us who are only on for a bit each day, it seems like an eternity.


Title: Re: Newbie Restrictions Are Annoying
Post by: Maged on September 04, 2011, 09:04:01 PM
Ok, I let this thread go on for too long. Please continue the discussion in the "Newbie Restrictions" sticky.

Thanks!