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Title: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 15, 2014, 04:35:55 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/15/paying-for-a-dominatrix-sex-human-need-kink

As a professional dominatrix, I'm often drenched by two firehoses of moral invective. One torrent comes from some fellow kinksters, saying that ours is an art to be practised for love, not money; moralists, who say that sex and fetish are unimportant and vulgar, point the other. I feel it is time to speak up about my work's necessity, and about its joy and beauty. Sex is a human need, and kink can be a meaningful part of the sexual spectrum. We sex workers turn the erotic into a humane and powerful art.

Not every sex worker chooses it; I'm fortunate to have freely and proudly decided to practise kink. Too many of us, particularly escorts, are miserable slaves, and we must fight tirelessly for their freedom. Nevertheless, I believe that the opportunity to pay legally for an encounter with an ethical, independent sex worker is a safe, essential way to help people meet their obligations and cope with a sexless life.

A few clients have shared stories that are no less sad for being ordinary. "S" lives with his estranged wife so he can preserve his Somerset farm for his sons; "M" arranges respite care for his mother when he comes, monthly, to see me. Each of my clients has a right to a private life, and to his choices and agency. And not all of my clients are cheats. Couples in an open marriage might prefer the emotional distance I can offer, rather than risking the potential complications of another relationship. A busy single person might prefer the simplicity of a professional encounter.

Then there's a certain type of unattached person who visits me. He is one of the many losers in the harsh, zero-sum game of dating that capitalism offers. Maybe he is too plain, or too fat, or simply too shy to find dates easily. Having a fetish, and an accompanying load of moralist shame, only makes his life harder.

For someone like him, I can sometimes offer a way out. If he comes to play with me, I won't shame him for his fetish or recoil from his body. I will gladly show him how his fetish – anything from the release offered by tight bondage to the exhilaration of being transformed into a beautiful woman – can be a blissful and intense experience to be treasured, instead of a source of shame. I truly enjoy the reactions of those I dominate, and when I play with a nervous or shy client, I make certain to share my genuine pleasure in our connection. For our few hours together, I make him comfortable in his own skin.

Many of the sadomasochistic arts become richer and deeper when two people play on an ongoing basis, and the majority of my work is with repeat clients. The intensity and connectedness brought about by our play can kindle a broader friendship. With them, the unique combination of distance and trust afforded by my position allows me to gently share a few home truths, and support them in addressing a case of bad breath or untreated social anxiety.

I'm proudest of the clients that I've brought from isolation and shame, to fully fledged membership in my local kink community. At this point, they sometimes graduate from being my clients, and I find myself overjoyed to see them on the arm – or over the knee – of a new partner. Perhaps, with each "graduate", I'm bringing us closer to a world where kink will be accepted, and, happily, my job has become obsolete.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Spendulus on January 16, 2014, 12:34:02 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/15/paying-for-a-dominatrix-sex-human-need-kink

As a professional dominatrix, I'm often drenched by two firehoses...

But have you actually ever been drenched by not one, but two firehoses?

:)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 16, 2014, 07:15:42 AM
Oh for fucks sake, the Guardian comment section was bad enough LOL :P


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 16, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
No, but i have been inundated by the business end of a water cannon.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 16, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
@lethn I had been warned about the Guardian comment section - could have been a lot worse :)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Wilikon on January 16, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
I always thought bondage was for rich kids and the bourgeoisie. Leather this, leather that, custom made this, custom made that, secret dungeon room with cameras, ropes previously used on boats in the America's Cup and a random dude in a gimp suit waiting in a corner for no reason.

Not to forget: safe words found in the Oxford Language Dictionaries only.

But I am glad you exist. Not all can speak up and defend themselves in this hmm... whipping world.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 16, 2014, 11:36:31 PM
Thank you Willikon for your comment, and for making me laugh :)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Elwar on January 17, 2014, 09:22:44 AM
Congrats on getting published in huffingtonpost. They are one of the highest read sites on the Internet. I e-mailed them about two years ago asking to be a writer for Bitcoin related articles.

I often wonder if societies where sex workers are prominent have a more machismo male culture. The thinking being that the men can get their sexual needs fulfilled by sex workers and do not have to treat women as well (with the reward of sex) since that's the only way they have of getting some. Just a thought.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 17, 2014, 11:32:15 AM
Huffington post?! Where am I in the Huffington Post?  :)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 17, 2014, 01:28:41 PM
Congrats on the article. How did you get the opportunity to write for them? Did you just submit an article or did they scout you?


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 17, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
Well done, Magpie. Will you be writing any more pieces? I know you mentioned you submitted one about using Bitcoin as a sexworker but was rejected?


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 17, 2014, 03:34:21 PM
I used a bit of networking to get in touch with the editor and sent a pitch :) I will indeed be submitting more pieces! :)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 17, 2014, 06:14:47 PM
I used a bit of networking to get in touch with the editor and sent a pitch :) I will indeed be submitting more pieces! :)

Are you going to be writing any on Bitcoin?


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Elwar on January 19, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
Huffington post?! Where am I in the Huffington Post?  :)

Oops, sorry. Wrong liberal online news site with comments.

Still, congrats :)


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 19, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
Very much interested in writing about Bitcoin!


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 24, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
Very much interested in writing about Bitcoin!

I'm sure you are interested but are the Guardian? lol.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: practicaldreamer on January 24, 2014, 10:53:35 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/15/paying-for-a-dominatrix-sex-human-need-kink

As a professional dominatrix, I'm often drenched by two firehoses of moral invective. One torrent comes from some fellow kinksters, saying that ours is an art to be practised for love, not money; moralists, who say that sex and fetish are unimportant and vulgar, point the other. I feel it is time to speak up about my work's necessity, and about its joy and beauty. Sex is a human need, and kink can be a meaningful part of the sexual spectrum. We sex workers turn the erotic into a humane and powerful art.

Not every sex worker chooses it; I'm fortunate to have freely and proudly decided to practise kink. Too many of us, particularly escorts, are miserable slaves, and we must fight tirelessly for their freedom. Nevertheless, I believe that the opportunity to pay legally for an encounter with an ethical, independent sex worker is a safe, essential way to help people meet their obligations and cope with a sexless life.

A few clients have shared stories that are no less sad for being ordinary. "S" lives with his estranged wife so he can preserve his Somerset farm for his sons; "M" arranges respite care for his mother when he comes, monthly, to see me. Each of my clients has a right to a private life, and to his choices and agency. And not all of my clients are cheats. Couples in an open marriage might prefer the emotional distance I can offer, rather than risking the potential complications of another relationship. A busy single person might prefer the simplicity of a professional encounter.

Then there's a certain type of unattached person who visits me. He is one of the many losers in the harsh, zero-sum game of dating that capitalism offers. Maybe he is too plain, or too fat, or simply too shy to find dates easily. Having a fetish, and an accompanying load of moralist shame, only makes his life harder.

For someone like him, I can sometimes offer a way out. If he comes to play with me, I won't shame him for his fetish or recoil from his body. I will gladly show him how his fetish – anything from the release offered by tight bondage to the exhilaration of being transformed into a beautiful woman – can be a blissful and intense experience to be treasured, instead of a source of shame. I truly enjoy the reactions of those I dominate, and when I play with a nervous or shy client, I make certain to share my genuine pleasure in our connection. For our few hours together, I make him comfortable in his own skin.

Many of the sadomasochistic arts become richer and deeper when two people play on an ongoing basis, and the majority of my work is with repeat clients. The intensity and connectedness brought about by our play can kindle a broader friendship. With them, the unique combination of distance and trust afforded by my position allows me to gently share a few home truths, and support them in addressing a case of bad breath or untreated social anxiety.

I'm proudest of the clients that I've brought from isolation and shame, to fully fledged membership in my local kink community. At this point, they sometimes graduate from being my clients, and I find myself overjoyed to see them on the arm – or over the knee – of a new partner. Perhaps, with each "graduate", I'm bringing us closer to a world where kink will be accepted, and, happily, my job has become obsolete.

  I just want to say that you seem like a genuine and compassionate person. You are certainly articulate. Unfortunately I would not, personally, benefit from or enjoy the services that you provide. But if I did you would be the woman that I went to.

    Why is it, do you think, that there is a market for men requiring such services - but not a market for women requiring the same ? Or is there ? Is it to do with trust - and the different levels of trust between the sexes ? Or don't women harbour the same desires ?

     Anyhow - all the best - and I for one hope you are able to continue in your work for as long as you are able or see fit, unencumbered by anyones prejudice.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 24, 2014, 11:03:44 PM

  I just want to say that you seem like a genuine and compassionate person. You are certainly articulate. Unfortunately I would not, personally, benefit from or enjoy the services that you provide. But if I did you would be the woman that I went to.

    Why is it, do you think, that there is a market for men requiring such services - but not a market for women requiring the same ? Or is there ? Is it to do with trust - and the different levels of trust between the sexes ? Or don't women harbour the same desires ?

     Anyhow - all the best - and I for one hope you are able to continue in your work for as long as you are able or see fit, unencumbered by anyones prejudice.

I think men are generally just far more perverted than women. Why? I have no idea but maybe Freud did haha.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: practicaldreamer on January 24, 2014, 11:14:06 PM

I think men are generally just far more perverted than women. Why? I have no idea but maybe Freud did haha.

Oh yes - I can see what you're driving at - I'd never thought of that angle to it  :-[

But didn't Freud also talk about the "Elektra Complex" ?  ;)

 [actually having just looked it up, it seems like it was Jung and not Freud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektra_complex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektra_complex) - don't tell Jungian on here FFS :o]


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 25, 2014, 01:01:48 PM
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    Why is it, do you think, that there is a market for men requiring such services - but not a market for women requiring the same ? Or is there ? Is it to do with trust - and the different levels of trust between the sexes ? Or don't women harbour the same desires ?

It depends on which part of the world you're talking about but there is in fact a pretty big market out there for businesswomen etc. that are paying men for sex then of course there's the gay guys out there, it's just you've got all the propaganda running around ( usually perpetrated or indirectly funded by the church wink wink ) where it's all just women and they're being horribly exploited and have miserable lives. Granted, it's not for some, I don't think I could do it either way but that's just me.

It also pisses me off as an open pervert that so many people automatically equate sex to drugs and alcohol what? You're seriously telling me all these 'married' couples don't get up to kinky shit and are completely pure minded? Fuck no, they may not do drugs or alcohol but they're as perverted as anybody else when you look at the evidence of how many children they often have, that doesn't happen by accident lol ;D.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 25, 2014, 01:23:37 PM
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    Why is it, do you think, that there is a market for men requiring such services - but not a market for women requiring the same ? Or is there ? Is it to do with trust - and the different levels of trust between the sexes ? Or don't women harbour the same desires ?

It depends on which part of the world you're talking about but there is in fact a pretty big market out there for businesswomen etc. that are paying men for sex then of course there's the gay guys out there, it's just you've got all the propaganda running around ( usually perpetrated or indirectly funded by the church wink wink ) where it's all just women and they're being horribly exploited and have miserable lives. Granted, it's not for some, I don't think I could do it either way but that's just me.

It also pisses me off as an open pervert that so many people automatically equate sex to drugs and alcohol what? You're seriously telling me all these 'married' couples don't get up to kinky shit and are completely pure minded? Fuck no, they may not do drugs or alcohol but they're as perverted as anybody else when you look at the evidence of how many children they often have, that doesn't happen by accident lol ;D.

Whilst of course certain institutions will paint men as evil and women as virginal saints, and there is also a market to cater for women's sexual desires, it cannot equate to the market for men and this is obvious to anyone who isn't a male and in denial.  Is the media subverting the fact that women kill and rape? Women only do 1% of the raping. Men are just far more perverse and usually dangerously so than women. Read some books or papers on human sexuality and psychology etc and this is a fact, not media bias.

And I don't get how many children somebody has correlates to levels of perversion.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 25, 2014, 02:48:11 PM
Oh dear, nobody has had the talk with you have they? Don't you know how children are made? :P


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 25, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Oh dear, nobody has had the talk with you have they? Don't you know how children are made? :P

Haha, but lot's of kids doesn't mean lots of sex, or especially perverted sex ;D.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 25, 2014, 06:49:38 PM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 25, 2014, 07:09:16 PM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 25, 2014, 07:30:16 PM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 25, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHH!! You haven't talked to women much have you? :D The only reason that people don't think women aren't as perverted as men is because they're better at hiding it, seriously I'm friends with girls I've known for a long time now and some of them are more perverted than I am, they can just play innocent every time, girls can get away with all sorts of shit doing that, it's just a fact of life :P.

p.s. in regards to the children thing while it's true there are some ridiculously fertile people there who can have totally bad luck and get a woman pregnant on their first go it normally takes a LOT of effort to have a large number of children


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 25, 2014, 09:43:32 PM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHH!! You haven't talked to women much have you? :D The only reason that people don't think women aren't as perverted as men is because they're better at hiding it, seriously I'm friends with girls I've known for a long time now and some of them are more perverted than I am, they can just play innocent every time, girls can get away with all sorts of shit doing that, it's just a fact of life :P.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or are you just going on the evidence of all these women you probably don't know or have never spoke to (and "women" you've spoken to online don't count  ;D). Tell me what makes these women more perverted than you? Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: practicaldreamer on January 25, 2014, 10:53:12 PM
Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.

LOL ;D


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: guybrushthreepwood on January 25, 2014, 10:54:59 PM
Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.

LOL ;D

I know that feel, bro. I've had GFs call me a pervert for merely joking about doing it. Prudes.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: practicaldreamer on January 25, 2014, 11:19:07 PM

 I've had GFs call me a pervert for merely joking about doing it.

Joking ? Yeah right  ::)

You were dipping your elbow in the water more like  ;D


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 26, 2014, 07:59:52 AM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHH!! You haven't talked to women much have you? :D The only reason that people don't think women aren't as perverted as men is because they're better at hiding it, seriously I'm friends with girls I've known for a long time now and some of them are more perverted than I am, they can just play innocent every time, girls can get away with all sorts of shit doing that, it's just a fact of life :P.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or are you just going on the evidence of all these women you probably don't know or have never spoke to (and "women" you've spoken to online don't count  ;D). Tell me what makes these women more perverted than you? Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.


hilariousandco you're talking on a thread with a BDSM mistress >_> please tell me of a place where men can go to do that kind of shit and not get arrested or get judged a lot and I'll go there in five seconds. Also, I love all the fake assumptions you're making about me, it's pretty amusing and also says a lot about you.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 26, 2014, 11:39:21 AM
Good question.

Women are as kinky as men, but can usually get their needs met for free :)



What do you define as kinky?

I think that's a polite female term for being perverted. I'd say even the most kinkiest of women aren't anywhere near as perverted as the average man. What women think is perverse/kinky is completely different to what most men define as kinky by many many magnitudes.

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHH!! You haven't talked to women much have you? :D The only reason that people don't think women aren't as perverted as men is because they're better at hiding it, seriously I'm friends with girls I've known for a long time now and some of them are more perverted than I am, they can just play innocent every time, girls can get away with all sorts of shit doing that, it's just a fact of life :P.

Do you have any evidence to back this up or are you just going on the evidence of all these women you probably don't know or have never spoke to (and "women" you've spoken to online don't count  ;D). Tell me what makes these women more perverted than you? Most women seem to think anal is going a bit too far.


hilariousandco you're talking on a thread with a BDSM mistress >_> please tell me of a place where men can go to do that kind of shit and not get arrested or get judged a lot and I'll go there in five seconds. Also, I love all the fake assumptions you're making about me, it's pretty amusing and also says a lot about you.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm just sceptical of your claims. You seem to have a penchant for making claims there's no way you can back up. Usually when people boast on the internet about how tough they are or about all these perverse women they claim to know it turns out to not be the case or be mere fantasy or lies. But maybe you are a real-life tough guy and a chick magnet; I don't know, but I have no reason to believe any of this without evidence.

And I don't see your logic of a woman being a BDSM mistress or you claiming to know a few sexually liberal / perverted women therefore that makes all women equally as perverted. Explain the logic. One woman exploiting men's desires for her own financial gain doesn't make her just as perverted as men therefore all women are just as perverted. How many BDSM mistresses do you know? Or do all women secretly want to be BDSM mistresses now? Plus, she's a BDSM mistress, not a anything goes prostitute, and as she's stated before there are lots of things she doesn't do and bizarre requests she has to routinely turn down. And I'm not nor did I ever say women don't have fantasies or desires or are not perverse, but I'd be willing to be she's not even as perverse or would enjoy or be willing to do half of the shit many "average" males I know would like or want to do.

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please tell me of a place where men can go to do that kind of shit and not get arrested or get judged a lot

And I don't understand this. Do what shit? Go see a BDSM mistress? Go see Mistress Magpie and I reckon you'll be alright. And why would you get arrested for it? And what are fake assumptions, and please tell me what it says about me, Sigmund Freud  ;D.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: Lethn on January 26, 2014, 04:40:12 PM
lol hilariousandco the point I've been trying to make is something you've just proved in that big ranting paragraph you wrote, you're just like a news reporter where you ask somebody a question and then form the answer all by yourself and move on so really you may as well be having a conversation with yourself rather than letting me get in the way.


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 26, 2014, 04:58:35 PM
lol hilariousandco the point I've been trying to make is something you've just proved in that big ranting paragraph you wrote, you're just like a news reporter where you ask somebody a question and then form the answer all by yourself and move on so really you may as well be having a conversation with yourself rather than letting me get in the way.

I wouldn't really call it a ranting, more of coherently making my point and backing it up, and I'm still not sure what you point was/is, but whatever. 

Back on topic: Magpie, didn't you say you recorded a part for letstalkbitcoin? What happened to that?


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: mistress_magpie on January 26, 2014, 09:34:15 PM
@hilariousandco: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e78-bitcoins-boots-on-the-ground/


Title: Re: I've been published in the Guardian, defending sex work.
Post by: hilariousandco on January 27, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
@hilariousandco: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e78-bitcoins-boots-on-the-ground/

I can't see a link to listen to it anywhere  ???.