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get a website and something with a little more informative so i can troll ur idea. definitely sounds cool

Wow, sounds great!!!!!! Don't sell machines at $5000. Sell the license to GE at $1 billion please!!!!!!!!!!! Write a paper about your invention and you will get a nobel prize!!!!!!!!You will be named as a hero of mankind!!!!!!!!!!!

Good thing University Physics 101 tells you this is completely impossible.

What battery does it take? I have some magnetically shielded AA's that I can sell for 1 BTC each + shipping.

Anyone?

 ;D

On this forum, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/obeylawsofthermodynamics.jpg

Aren't you a few centuries late with this Perpetual motion scam?

THIS!

THIS!

THIS!

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My thoughts exactly

In for 10!

free?

dont magnets and batteries COST MONEY?

iddiot

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I'm an architecture and engineering buff, specifically civil engineering. Have any bridges to sell as well?

Lololololololollmlk;ans

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_x-HoxsP0Jtc/SZ8qIVuhNDI/AAAAAAAAAEY/5khzEYUzK2w/s400/coolpillows11.jpg

I swear to god, guys! It's a cold fusion machine!!!

Shaggy Two Dope, is that you?

Wow, that's incredible, because I have an invention that takes electricity as an input and spits out perpetual motion machines!!! If we just use your invention to bootstrap the process, by my calculation we could convert all matter in the universe into perpetual motion machines by 2031!!!

I would definitively buy one, but I don't know how safe it would be to put a Cold Fusion machine on my head.

Perhaps you should build it as a backpack. I'd buy it then.

nice machine!

want one …  the pillow thingy i mean

cool story bro.. a Free energy machine! pictures? just give me your address and I'll send .0005 btc as donations right away.

Google is your friend. Here's one: http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm

I haven't read it; am merely providing a link.

I'm calling BS but here's their website if anyone is interested in wasting some time http://www.lutec.com.au/index.htm and http://www.lutec.com.au/how.htm

Paging bitrebel to come defend this guy

Nice but I think Nikola Telsa invented it like 100 years ago.

Bullshit.

This machine emits too much stupidity rays for my taste... way too dangerous.

ok, he's real... made it back in '01 i see. Where to order? I'll buy 10!

HILARIOUS!

Reminds me of a youtube channel I found not too long ago, where this guy just posted video after video of simple experiments with Magnets. People explained to him in the comments what was happening, but he still seemed completely baffled and just kept making more junk and more videos to show is experiments with magnets.

Edit:
Found it!

Posting my favorite one lmfao.

"My Magnet Motor Free Energy Study 2"
http://www.youtube.com/user/robgallagher#p/u/13/hoiReuIlqMI

Now, if he just keeps hitting that button he made over and over and over and hook it up to a generator.... he might make himself some e-leck-tris-it-y!

I wish this were actually real, though. :-/

Only in Sci-Fi, eh?

Holy Crap I had that idea in first grade.......

Deja vu.

Great, where do I send my money?

Btw, whereabouts are you in Aussie?

This is great stuff (I am an electrical engineer).  My favorite quote so far:  "The Lutec Electricity Amplifier (LEA) More than triples the electricity it receives!!!"

I also love the pictures of all the patents at http://www.lutec.com.au/patents.htm

It just goes to show that they will rubber stamp patent anything without any review at all!

I'm skeptical, but I'd be happy to help you with a page redesign!

So now you have *2* methods to raise funds without asking people.
1) sell electricity to the grid
2) use your 'free' electricity to generate bitcoins.

It just got that much harder to feel sorry for your victims.  
Just because people who give you any money are stupid doesn't let you off the hook though.
I hope you get locked up!

Gentlemen,

I am trying to raise capital for a very important invention that will benefit the world, and negate the effects of all prior ass-raping that we have given the environment. It is a jet powered surfboard, which will allow fat people to actually surf waves, as well as travel across still AND moving water, which will necessary when Kevin Costner's Waterworld happens on zombie apocalypse - may 21, 2012. Americans in particular should be interested. Please send BTC to 19VyZNPFUq7cH5zhBxXk46wSt32ymvSsax. It will be used to develop a prototype, which should then be brought to mass production by the end of next week or so. We have a very crack team of Nobel laureates of both the sciences, and poetry. You will be paid back one kajillionfold by Q1 2012, guaranteed.

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/jet_surfboard.jpg

Also, is this hoverhand?

http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/magen.jpg

To bad they'd only buy it to kill it, they don't want the average person with free electricity.

WRONG.

They don't want the average person to have a jet powered surf board. The freemasons are trying to troll them into obscurity.

And poetry?

sounds cool!

1. Perpetual motion - impossible due to friction. You cannot completely eradicate the force of friction in any closed system that does work. This will lead to eventual deceleration back to rest unless an external force of equal magnitude is applied in perpetuity to counteract it. And the wear and tear on components will cause the system to fail eventually. That is not perpetual motion.

2. Free energy - you used this phrase out of correct scientific context. Free energy=total energy - entropy, i.e. the energy in a system available to do work. Free energy does not mean energy that you can get for free (i.e. without doing work), and to use it in this way is just misleading. Erwin Schrodinger would be appalled:


3. 500% efficiency - un-freaking-believable. Do you know anything about thermodynamics whatsoever? Entropy? Conservation of energy? Are these phrases ringing any bells? I honestly doubt it... where is all that extra energy coming from? And how have you managed to create a system that does work but does not create any entropy whatsoever, i.e. wasted energy / heat? In fact, what you allege to have created is a machine which must actually ABSORB entropy / atmospheric heat. Needless to say, this is not be possible with a machine made out of a few magnets and a small battery. I mean, for crying out loud, a system cannot even be 100% efficient, let alone 500%. Our most efficient CFL light bulbs only get about 10% efficiency, and regular incandescent bulbs are only 2%. If you had truly created a 500% efficient system, you would have won the nobel prize for physics. And you would have solved global warming, because your entropy absorbing machine would be able to absorb all that heat and use it to generate electricity.

I'm sorry, the only thing you manufacture is bullshit and spurious claims my friend.
Peddle your crap-o-matic elsewhere.

He doesn't want nobel, he want money. That's why he is spamming that bullshit

Nobel prizewinners are awarded $1.4 million in addition to the fancy medal.

I'm genuinely annoyed at this thread. I thought all the nonsense about perpetual motion and "free energy" had been put to bed decades ago, yet this guy is still peddling this bullshit to idiots who are willing to pay $5000 a pop. It's unbelievable.

But he know he is spamming bullshit and isn't going to win nobel, he just want to scam people

Many stupid make-believe "free energy" engines/generators/converters spend the housing or casing material. For example some magnetic generators might generate excess power while in use, even with 0 input energy but will slowly decay the magnets due to Eddy currents and other processes. You basically spend magnets like you spend fission material in a nuclear reactor. Sure, you get energy output from no energy input but it took energy to build those materials (magnets, uranium). Another example would be hydrogen supplemented internal combustion engines, where the engine casing is losing carbon mass and basically becoming useless soon, but people can claim improved efficiency in the short term.

Green energies do not rely on human technology or interaction to reverse the energy producing reactions in solar panels, wind turbines, hydroelectric turbines, tide turbines, etc. The Sun brings all the energy needed to reset the energy potential to it's previous state. Even coal and oil is rebuilt to some extent, just very very slowly. Some things will not be restored or rebuilt during our solar system's existence, mainly radioactive materials.

more fixed

I don't remember where I read about this machine but if I remember correctly, magnetism of the magnets deteriorate over time, that's where the energy is coming from. I even remember a debate about the viability of using magnets instead of batteries.

With magnets you still need a rather bulky generator, if you want energy storage, Aluminum is quite light and Hydrogen is quite energy dense. Both of these can be used in reversible reactions using a vast array of methods for both energy binding and energy unbinding.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Energy_density.svg/800px-Energy_density.svg.png


Now if you ask me, the best battery available NOW, is your bitcoin wallet. For every kWh of electricity used you can store with some video cards up to twice the current value of a kWh. Also you don't have storage and transmission/transportation costs :)

Now that is a great picture!  I have always wanted to have exactly this picture.  It immediatly shows why gasoline is used in cars (over lower energy density options).  Where did you get this diagram?

The bitcoin forum is the perfect place for scam artists to peddle impossible technologies, since our bitcoins are generated by what might be termed "free money" machines. This forum is crawling with starry-eyed optimists who love to believe in the impossible, myself included.

I love contemplating ideas for perpetual motion machines for many of the same reasons I love contemplating the future of bitcoin, although thankfully the laws suggestions of physics will not limit the growth of bitcoin values for a long time.

I amused myself by reading through the info posted about this invention until I came to this killjoy who actually performed an independent test:

No - your memory has just been sucked into playing their game by thinking there even *is* any energy produced.
If they can get you arguing about where it's coming from - they conveniently get you ignoring the fact that it isn't even there.

My latest free energy device is 501% efficient. Yours sucks.

I agree it is a total waste of time to try to convince these inventors that their invention will not work.  I had a run in with a guy named Dennis Lee a few years back.  He was trying to advertise his product on the television show of a friend of mine and my friend had me look over the product specifications before he would allow the advertisement to run on his show because he thought it “looked suspicious”.

I got the plans from Dennis and actually had some very nice conversations with him about the product.  He was very excited to have an electrical engineer prove out his concept for him.  After wading through and stripping away all the techno babble and paranoid ramblings about persecution in his documents it turned out to be just the idea:

You can convert electricity to heat using a heat pump, right?

You can convert heat to motion using a heat engine, right?

Motion can be converted to electricity with a generator, right?

So if you connect up these three devices to each other and run the wires from the output of the heat engine/generator to the input of the heat pump the combination will run forever!  Not only that but he claimed that in his design the efficiency of the devices was (actually will be – given enough money for research) so good that there will be electricity left over!!!  He then went on to envision a world where everyone bought one of his refrigerator sized devices, cut themselves off from the evil grid, and simply plugged in their house to the device to get all the electricity they would ever need directly from the heat content of the air!

Not only that, but get this:  the design was given to him by a revelation directly from God himself!

Cue the evil oil/gas/coal/nuclear empire and all its attempts to protect itself from him and to suppress his every move, throw him in jail, etc. (which only proves he is on to something – right?)

I then spent HOURS on a final report to my friend and Dennis which I crafted to meet Dennis’ level of understanding, using only the absolute minimum of math, using mostly metaphors and analogies that I knew even he could understand.

After reading my final report which surprisingly proved the entire concept would never work he simply lumped me in with all those other evil narrow minded people who believe in the first two laws of thermodynamics who are always out to get him and never talked to me again.  After all doesn’t a revelation from God trump man’s understand and laws?

To this day he still believes in his world saving vision from God and is still attracting and fleecing new investors with his machine which is still “almost there” but just needs a few more tweaks and a few more dollars to get it to work.  Read more at http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Dennis_Lee/ especially interesting are all the positive comments at the bottom of the page!

commenting to follow this thread for the lulz.

oh crap!

This thread is still going.   :D So much lulz.  Admit it, we love getting trolled around here. 

You cannot create energy from nothing

seems legit tbh. why no ones ever belive in betters

I'm about to burst the bubble of both the original poster and of those who are trolling the original poster due to the abject impossibility of conservation of energy.  If this is what I think that it is, 1) it's not a 'free energy' or over parity device and 2) it's already patented, but the details of how to do it is considered so dangerous that it's been redacted long ago.  Hardcore government types, who wouldn't give a moments thought to the risks involved with global warming, will be more than happy to burn you at the stake should  they discover you know how this device works.  This is because, once I explain the device, the risks to life on Earth should be obvious to any rational person.

As the scientificly educated here have already pointed out, a closed system cannot produce more energy than it requires to operate.  These are the two laws of thermodynamics that prohibit 'free energy' devices from working, as there must be a higher energy state to lower energy state even occuring in order for (useful) energy to be harnessed.  Said another way, there must be an energy flow from a condition of high energy into a lower energy state sink.  Once the two states are of equal potential, the ability to harness useful energy is lost.

So, in general, let me explain how this device "works".  (Full disclaimer, I've never seen this device actually produce over parity, only the credible theory on how it could, and why it would be bad even if it never achieves over parity)  The device is basicly a magneticly levitated flywheel, of mostly non-ferrous construction, with an array of magnets embedded into it's outer ring.  The array of magnets are aligned in all three axis.  Some of these magnets are used to keep the device leviated and centered, while others are used as an inverted brushless motor armature.  The entire device needs to be in a near total vacuum to reduce friction, for it needs to spin very fast.  Now, I've just described a magneticly levitated energy storage device, and one that has been invented and reinvented by multiple people, but has not and will not ever reach mass production.  Not because it doesn't work well for that use, but because of the (largely unintentional, and theoretical) side effects of large number of these fast spinning magnetic disks on the surface of the Earth. 

Here's the problem in a nutshell, the only way to build such a maglev flywheel is to have it spinning parrallel with the surface of the Earth, as there are many reason why any other oriantation is difficult to build.  The disk, being basicly a flat, spinning magnet can and does, however small the effect might be, interact with the magnesphere of the Earth itself.  This fact, taken alone, means that the magnetic field of the Earth is a drag on the motion of the spinning disk, as the disk is a moving magnet inside another stationary magnetic field.  Relative motion is what creates electomagnetic current.  This is how most people would look at this.

However, the magnesphere isn't the only magnetic field of concern.  The Sun also produces a magnesphere, which interacts with the Earth's.  It is thus theoreticly possible for such a disk, of the perfect set of size and rpm's, at an unknown resonate frequency, to draw an incrediblely small amount of momentum from the relative motion of the Earth's field spinning inside of the Sun's, even while itself sitting on the face of the Earth and not in any real motion relative to that field from a macro viewpoint.  This would be akin to those quantum level 'eddys' that plague researchers trying to develop room temp superconductors.  This would be a rare and unlikely event if the device was not tuned specifily to do so, but if tens of thousands were built for electic vehicles, or any other reason, the odds that someone will, by accident or intent, stumble across the perfect resonate frequency required to draw off large amounts of 'free energy' from unkonw sources increases.  That source would then be the spinning of the Earth itself.  Obviously, this occurs naturally, and the spinning of the Earth does gradually slow down on it's own.  Ever wonder how the Earth's spin could slow, even though it's an object spinning in open vacuum?  This is how.  The observation is known as the Corrillus (sp?) effect.  Taken to it's logical conclusion, such magnetic objects spinning in open space eventually 'lock' their spin to their orbit, thus presenting only one face to their host object.  We have a number of celestial examples of 'locked' moons in our solar system, not limited to out own.

Now, obviously, drawing momentum off of the rotation of the Earth itself would be a very bad thing, if it were to ever to occur as a matter of course.  A collection of tens of thousands of such devices, used over generations, and the slowing of the Earth could become considerable.  Granted, the momentum of the Earth is astronomical compared to the energy needs of humankind, but once this kind of tech were loose, there is no way to know for certain if it can be used to spin up the Earth later on.  The long term effects on terrestial life would be unpredictable at best.

Then again, an extra hour each day might help me to get things done.

Wow Moonshadow you just upped this thread to a whole 'nother level.  What is your opinion on these theories:

1) Mars had intelligent life on it, millions of years ago, that reached an advanced stage of civilization far beyond our own.  Much metal was mined and brought to the surface.  But science destroyed the magnetic field of Mars that protected it from the Sun.  The atmosphere and life on that planet was destroyed without the magnetic field to protect it.  All turned to rust and eroded to dust, leaving no trace.

2) Tesla was trying to build a power generation/storeage device that used the entire planet earth as the resonator, essentially turning earth into a tesla coil.  Not only did he cause an explosion at his Wizard Tower lab while doing experiments on this project, but he also caused a giant explosion in siberia when the huge electrical currents exploded underground fuel deposits.

 :-*

I'd bet that Mars had life on it at one point, but I have no opinion about the intelligent part.  I'm still not sure that there is intelligent life on Earth.  As a aside, what if humanity evolved on Mars, and we are refugees.  That would explain the missing link issue.  I have no idea, just speculating.

The atmosphere of Mars was most likely lost because the molten (reactor) core failed criticality, and thus plate technonics failed.  The Earth wouldn't have an atmostphere to speak of either without the replacement effects of volcanos.  Given enough time, the vast majority of gases would be absorbed into chemical molecules until the pressure was no longer sufficient to maintain liquid water, at which point the oceans would slowly boil away into near space.  This would have occurred over millinia, and can't reasonablely be called a catastrophe, as it would have been long forseeable by intelligent creatures.  Can't be stopped, can be avoided.  It's possible that the life cycles plants and animals could slow down this process of atmostphere loss, but I'd doubt it.

To say that Tesla was a mad genius was an understatement.  The idea of turning the entire Earth into a tesla coil begs the question, what then is your low-energy sink?  In the case of a normal Tesla coil, it's the Earth and the energy source is the ambiant electromagnetic spectrum.  As far as the Earth as a whole, there is a substantial ambiant electromagnetic specturm to draw from, but where then would it go?  You still need a flow of energy in order to draw useful work.

The story about the explosion in siberia that destroyed his massive attempt to build a tesla coil, although plausible considering we now know that there is a great deal of natural gas in Siberia, still sounds like a cover story to myself.  The tower was destroyed, but it was more likely that it was destroyed by actual explosives.  There were many people who were afraid of Tesla actually succeeding, in much the same way that people today are afraid of the supercollider succeeding in creating a naked singularity.  Silly, to be sure, but fear of the unknown is a powerful motivator; and Tesla had some well heeled enemies anyway.  Not the least of which was the founder of General Electic.

And natural gas doesn't explode while in the ground, because there is no oxygen.  If there were enough oxygen to burn it, then the natural gas wouldn't have formed as it did.

So... how's that machine to turn trolling into electricity going?

Wikipedia. You can get a low to mid level understanding of any person/object/process/event just by reading a short article. In some cases, you can reach meta analysis and an overall summary of years of personal studies in just minutes.

Due to you being an asshole about 0-day exploits that happen to even top security companies who spend millions of dollars on research and development for security, I will be glad I won't have to read your idiotic posts in the future.

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When purchasing solar cells, you should look into the producer's specifications sheet for the voltage/current charts and the power curve.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/SolarCell-IVgraph3-E.PNG

By assuming you will get maximum voltage when you have maximum current draw you may get the wrong numbers, making a converter apparently display over-unity efficiency. Only when charting the output against loads between minimum and maximum, are you able to calculate efficiencies for the device, according to usage scenarios.

How did the Big Bang happen then? Everything came from nothing. Nothing goes in, everything goes out, you can't explain that!

1. Lots of ifs and buts, not even a theoretical model, just a make-believe story about how the Sun's magnetic field can have higher intensities than our Earth's magnetic field at ground level. Allow me to smirk.

2. You seem to conveniently forget or knowingly exclude the magnetic field depletion from the "fuel" magnets that are constantly moving through powerful magnetic fields. These magnets will decay their power orders of magnitude faster than your perfectly aligned solar magnetosphere resonating positive feedback field increase. Do you understand this?

3. Supercooled materials, or even a supercooled machine of similar design COULD work at close to 100% efficiency, but certainly not over, again, same reasons as above. A non over-unity machine is useless, and maintaining supercooled temperatures requires significant power. It's useful if you want to transmit power over long distances, but this use scenario is not profitable.

Again, people seem to forget that "big magnet" can magnetize "small steel piece", but they never think that the big magnet is affected as well. And we're talking about a machine that uses all strong magnets. Nothing really vanishes, everything transforms.

I'd like to iterate, if I may:

How did the Big Bang happen then? Everything came from nothing. Nothing goes in, everything goes out, you can't explain that!
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Argument fallacy, you are implying that the big bang created things from nothing and that then it is still possible to do the same

We cannot explain the big bang, easy. Does this means we can create energy from nothing? No. So, stop trolling  :D

ahh... the famous troll energy  :D

That will be fifty trillion ixcoins, please!

LOL

http://www.ripoffreport.com/electronic-manufacturers/lutec-australia-pty/lutec-australia-pty-false-dis-cwa92.htm

fools and money = parted

Australia, eh? I wonder if i can find among their granted patents a "method and apparatus for attracting and capturing tooth fairies"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g59cGTswGCI

A perpetual motion machine by any other name still smells like shit.  ::)

Argument fallacy, you are implying that the big bang created things from nothing and that then it is still possible to do the same

We cannot explain the big bang, easy. Does this means we can create energy from nothing? No. So, stop trolling  :D
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Of course we can't, God did, and in 7 days too.  It's amazing!

I thought scams/fraud is not allowed on this forum?

 ;D

E=MC2
Nuff said.

Pahahahal;aopslsol;ol;ololololololololololololololol.

You're joking, right?

Hey guise, my UPS takes 2 hours to charge, but can run for up to 5 hours with no load attached. Clearly 5 > 2. Free energy!!!

Dude, don't blow up my secret to free power. Now everyone is gonna be mining bitcoin.

I believe you mean E=mc² (or using the forum's markup, E=mc²)

Yours looks much better. I'm no Einstein.  ;)

Pedantic? Yes. But I was just about to post the exact same thing.

Maybe someday it will turn into the truth...

+1  ;D

The infinite is possible at zombo.com...

Higher field densities are not required....

http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/physics_update/water_s_response_to_ultralow_magnetic_fields_comes_as_a_surprise

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"Stefan Hartwig, Martin Burghoff, and colleagues at the National Metrology Institute of Germany have now discovered that in fields of 1 µT and lower, water responds to a magnetic perturbation even faster still. To see the increased relaxation rates, they had to measure water’s magnetization in fields less than 1/500 the intensity of Earth’s geomagnetic field—a feat made possible in part by a superconducting quantum interference device. Hartwig and company haven’t yet pinpointed the detailed mechanism underlying the fast spin dynamics, but they suspect that coupling between H+ and 17O nuclei plays a role."
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I understand this, but I disagree that this is the root source of any unexplained energies.  The breakdown of the magnets is certainly a drop in the potential energy of the magnet, but there is no explaination as to how the slow collapse of the magnetic field can transfer it's energy to the momentum of the device in a net positive way.  The individual molecules are equally likely to dump their magnetic energy in a net negative way, simply because when the molecules lose their magnetic alignment with the field, they can lose it in any direction whatever.  Said another way, the failure of the individual molecules that comprise the magnet are just as likely to oppose the overall flow of energy of the device as to contribute to it, and there is no way to bias the process in favor of the desired flow.


What use scenario are you referring to?  I offered a general explaination as to why we we will never see horizontal maglev flywheels used as storage devices for electric vehicles.  I never claimed that this effect was large enough to develop an over-parity "free energy" type of device.  I did imply that, should this ever be accomplished, men in black suits are going to kick the inventors' doors down and they are going to fully understand the term "extralegal enforcement".