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Hi guys
I have mined at two sites since yesterday using 7970 GPU.
This one: http://doge.netcodepool.org/, i mined there for about 6 hrs and only got 7 coins.
Then i joined https://www.suchcoins.com/ and left my pc on all night. I had a quick check late at night and saw few coins confirmed.
But can't access this website anymore, because its down.

Can anyone from experience plz let me know how many coins should i expect using 7970gpu per hr?
and any good pools which i should join? Thanks

I got some at doge.hashfaster.com tonight and then tried multipool.us which switches between coins. At ~725 kh it mined 544 dogies (or whatever you call them) so far in about 3 hours...

It seems like some pools get swamped as the rate of doge goes up.

Thanks I will try both.. Multi one website seems to be working.

They both took a while to report any profit, compared to LTC pools I've been in. Like, over an hour.

edit - oh and my card is an R9 280x, but you should be able to estimate based on the khs in cgminer.

Ya same  ltc and btc unconfirmed profits were shown within an hr.. but not this doge coin.. Gona leave it for for few hrs, if nothing is report.. I am done with this mining.

It's working for me... It's 622 now, 0.0015 BTC. I don't even know how to cash out of it yet.

You need to get a doge wallet and then put your wallet address in the payout section. That's how its done on all pools.

Well, yes, I know that, but I don't have an account with an exchange that trades doge yet.

The reason the pool sites might be down is that doge went from being worth almost nothing to (almost nothing)x5 in several days. That's why I tried it, obviously...

Ok ...
Btw how many dogecoins are you getting per block?
I am getting 0.98. I have been mining for the past 2hrs and only got 3dogecoins. Doesn't look right to me.
Speed is 516khas/s.

I use multipool.us to but i have http://doge.poolofpools.com as backup

mulitpool have been down multiple times but at those times poolofpool.com have never let me down :)

if you use multipool you get a lot of different coins then you need to get a acount on:
https://www.cryptsy.com/users/register?refid=112918 (https://www.cryptsy.com/users/register?refid=112918)

Its nice to let multipool auto send to cryptsy
You can tell cryptsy to auto sell the alt coins to btc when they arrive!

Try https://www.dogepool.net - its there since day 1 - running without flaws, finding blocks and never had a downtime or a problem.

Shit attracts flies. Big shit attracts more flies.

Doge is the biggest pile at the moment - so it attracts all the flies (aka scammers).

I have not found A SINGLE pool that pays out correctly. imho they are all scammers. More or less.

Consequence: I stay away from that coin. Because what's the point of having 100.000 coins a day in theory - when in reality all you get is 30.000 coins?

I get payed on both pools i use...

No doubt.

Question is: Do you get payed as much as you mined?

All Dogecoin pools pay way less as they should. For several reasons. One for sure is that they get hammered with miners - and can't cope with the high load.

I haven't found a single Dogecoin pool that runs smooth.

Have you?

They seldom report the same speed as cgminer but i do seam to get the same amount as dustcoin think i should get ;)

I got 5 doge per block from multipool. Hashing at @220kh/s

Wow did you ever hit it right, you said exactly what I have been saying. Most all coins pay out about what coinwarz or pool estimate shows. DOGE coin does not, with 5 M/h I get about 30% of what I should according to pool estimates and coinwarz. Doge is the only coin I have this problem with, I believe the pool owners are skimming off the top, I think all these doge pool owners are crooks! Don't assume you are making ll this money mining dogeshit because you are probably getting far less than half of what you should, pool owners are the ones getting rich!

RAD is much more profitable.

How do I do that?

I mine at 720 khs and the amounts per block vary from 1 to 35. Hard to see a pattern.

At which point I can lose doge coins on multipool?

i let it sell at 1000-3000 doge

here are the settings at cryptsy:
http://prntscr.com/2lhgmo

this is my settings:
http://prntscr.com/2lhgfy

that has been my experience with 95% of the pools are apparently stealing about 1/2 of the miners coins, not just doge its all pools , all coins. multipool.us is notoreous. i just started with lot.nut2pools.com for Lotto (the new Doge up 500% in a day) and it pays ok, it only steals about 30% so i get 70% not so bad. compared to netcodepool and multipool and dedicated woof those guys are brutal they leave me a thin bone out of my $2500 mining rig working hard and $150 electricity bill.

i even started a thread here but no one replied.

Thanks so much blodyx, I set it up.

This is just what I wanted for now.

cgminer setup, cgwatcher setup, multipool getting the most profitable coin (if it's down cgwatcher will fall back to a LTC pool), auto convert to BTC on cryptsy. Obviously something will go wrong but whatever - I don't have to babysit it.

What does the 2nd highest bid mean? I think I understand the other 3.

How do you guys determine what the pools are stealing?

It will sell for a little higher then what the value is now, i have one auction that didn't get through: DOGE @260 satoshi

Oh, OK. The first batch I just insta-sold to see it's working. Would be nice if it all worked together...

Watch how many coins you get in say a six hour period, including the unconfirmed ones. Multiply that by 4, that's what your pool is paying you in a 24 hour period. Difficulty changes dramatically sometimes but mostly it doesn't.

Then go to coinwarz, plug in your hashrate from cgminer, to be conservative use the hashrate on the right side in front of WU which is always lower, that's actually what's accepted. Scroll down on coinwarz.com to your coin of choice and see how many you are supposed to get on avg in 24 hour period.

This is harder to do with crazy coins like doge. Or coins with suddenly high payout like lotto.

I didn't know about the WU. The pool stats seem to indicate my hashrates  similar to what cgwatcher reports. So my rates are 720 and the WU is like 620...

edit - work utility is shares / minute. Not that i understand exactly what it means but it's not directly related to khs and I do need to maximize it.

topxeq.iego.net:22550
use your dogecoin address as user and any password is ok
user-specified difficulty is possible
be patient for the first 2 days since it's a p2pool, then you will get more than expected
dogecoin is currently the hottest altcoin, maybe

i got 320,000 in about 10 days.

Yes doge pools are the biggest crooks, you will only get around 30-60% of what you should, they have to be skimming off the top, I have been mining in Hashfaster and  Poolerino, forget about estimates, you will be lucky if they let you have half of what you should get for your hash rate!!!!

I am going to do a test on this pool to see if it pays out better than the others. I mine at 5.1 m/h, so lets just say 5 m/h. Coinwarz says I should get 39537 doge coins per 24 hour period. I am going to run 6 hours starting at 4 pm Pacific time U.S.

 I will have the pool hold all my coins for the 6 hours and I will see what I should have at 10pm. I expect to have, according to Coinwarz, 9884 coins in 6 hours. I bet I have no more than 6000 if that. We will see.

im getting almost 20 coins per block @700mhs from multipool

So I have my workers , 5.1 m/h running on dogepool.net, started exactly at 4pm and will end test at 10pm. My worker name on there is tester1  So, Coinwarz says I should expect 39000 per day, Dogepool says at 5100 k/h I will only get 8900??? wth, already a problem. Either they are stealing and letting me know right up front or there is an error in their estimation. Coinwarz says 39k a day and Dogepool says 8k a day. These gd pools!! I bet this one is just as much scam as all of them are.

Sorry, I am dropping this test, I am not wasting 6 hours mining for nothing!! If they say I will only get 8k in 24 hours, effem!! At least on Hashfaster and poolerino it estimates me at 39-40k a day. Dogepool.net is a scam in my books. Not testing this shit!

dogepool.pw was great for me for a while -- but they lost alot of hash rate and I got 25,000 orphaned coins yesterday... prior to that the pool was awesome for about 4-5 weeks.

I had went back and forth with putting 50% of my workers on fast-pool.com -- now that they have their issues resolved it has been working quite well for me; much less orphaned work and payouts are fine.

Well I know from experience that I will only get around 40-60% of what the pool estimate says I should, so if the estimate is 39k a day then I know I will get around 21000 a day, but if the dang pool starts out saying only 8k a day, I just give them the finger and go away like I just did. No thanx, I ain't mining just so you can skim my coins. Wish I was back mining the good coins which actually pay out what the pool and Coinwarz says, like Netcoin, Worldcoin etc. If the prices go up I will. But for now as long as the doge price stays high enough to make even the scamming pools profitable for me I will stay with doge mining and selling.

I've been using dogehouse.org.  They accounted for about 1/4 of total network hashrate until recently,  now it's about 1/10th but still finding blocks pretty often.  Mined about 200,000 doge from there over the past couple of days.

Oh, so I figured out why I shouldn't use multipool to transfer to exchanges:

"please do not use CoinEX deposit addresses as a target for P2Pool payouts. P2Pools generate uncommon transactions that do not include target address thus making us unable to identify account where those transactions should be credited to."

Sounds like  a reasonable warning... You live you learn... But it kind of worked so far both for cryptsy and coinex...

i think the point of this post was to find a trustworthy pool, not to bash on the stealers.... so has ANYONE found a good pool paying the correct ammount?

please link i wanna put my 3 mh/s in THAT pool ;)

Check out www.localminers.com (featured in my sig)

Great pool ran by BAC and NIX.

I use multipool.us and have fast-pool.com on backup. Working well so far.

I can confirm that Multipool.us is definitely skimming a good 30% to 50% off.  I have about 15MH/s there even using the highest peak difficulty I should have mined over 120K coins in 24 hours but only got paid for 71K worth.   That would be acceptable if it was a small pool and had high variance but the pool has over 15GH/s.

No point to mining a 200% profit (compared to LTC) coin if the pool steal 50% of your work - you're basically making somebody else rich.

So what would you recommend instead?

I definitely get more bitcoin on multipool compared to LTC pools I've been using (remember there's a Newbie written under my name)... Not by 200%, but maybe by 20.

Hey folks,

the problem is, with DOGECOIN you can make no "real" prediction what someone makes in 24h.

It greatly depends on luck how many blocks the pool finds AND how large the Blocks are which are found is this time.

So drop coinwarz or any estimate you get, it all depends on luck. If any other pool tells you you get 40000 in 24h hours and after 24h you only got 10000 because there were only small blocks found what do you think ? scaaaaaam, the pool is stealing my coins !

But if dogepool.net is telling you you earn about 10000 coins but got 20000 in reality, what is better ? :-)


There are many ways to "tweak" the estimates of the pool software to show crazy values like > 1.000.000 coins a day with 5mh/s, but should I really use that as a pool op to attract people to my pool ? :)


The best thing you can do is, search the forums for scam accusations, for downtimes, problems and for reputation of the pool. is the admin actively supporting the pool ? if not, you found the right pool.

https://www.dogepool.net will surely not steal your coins or give you too positive estimates - simply try it out, you'll get exactly the portion you've mined of the block in percent your hashrate is/was. Guaranteed.

To make it even clearer, here an example with variance, luck and payouts with someone mining at roughly 6mh/s at https://www.dogepool.net :

He earns about 37.000 doge/24h:


https://i.imgur.com/VxIq0Z9.png

As you can see, he earned a lot on Block 67219, very little on Block 68602 and again a resonable amount on Block 68830.
Why is that ?

Here is the explanation:

https://i.imgur.com/W5Yb7xn.png

Block 68602 was only around 26.000 coins.. But he still earned > 35.000 coins in 24h.. with about 6mh/s..



If all three blocks would be around 800.000 coins he would have earned 80.000 DOGE in 24h !

If all three blocks would only be around 25.000 coins he would have earned about 2.400 DOGE in 24h..



Do you now understand why these "predictions" are useless with DOGE ? You simply need to choose a reliable, stable, hacking proof, honest pool.. The rest is luck.


oc
https://www.dogepool.net

Hello,

i can confirm that behavior too. I tested the 4 biggest doge pools. Everywhere i get 60-70 % of the estimated coins. I hate this so much, that im thinking about selling my hardware (3 sweeet sapphire trix-x oc r9 290). The pool shows my correct hashrate and i have 2 % rejected at a pool and 7-8% at another, but always loose more than 30% of the estimated coins. No Hardware Errors. And yes i know i must be lucky and the difficulty raises, but thats no explanation for me, because i use the raising difficulty in my calculation. I mined a few weeks and my daily payout is alway around 30% under the estimated. When i only need luck for a payout that is the estimated, im asking why there are no days where my payout is 30% over the estimated. I think the pools are getting very rich....
Maybe the solution is the formula for calculating the estimated coins. But i cant find it in the internet. Every calculator seems to use the same formula. Maybe someone here knows the formula?
Sorry for my bad english...

is this a normal behavior?

https://i.imgur.com/Bs8su0Y.png

So this problem is unique to doge.Other coins I get are real close to pool and coinwarz estimates everytime! I think these pools are scamming coins from miners.Why is doge pools so different then????

Most of dogecoin pools are scams , whichever pool i tried , i am only getting 50% of coins that i should have made. On multipool.us , i have unconfirmed coins even after 5 days. wtf

On any pool block % is luck based. During the period you mined we found a lower coin block by luck, next one had thrice as big coin reward.
This is common to all pools, it gets averaged out once you mine for all 24 hours.

Any issues on netcodepool, email:  inaun@netcodepool.org

Btw netcodepool is in mining business since more than a year, much older than any other pools you will find here. We have payed out over 70,550+ LTC over this period to users. 1.1 Billion DOGE have been payed out to miners, that accounts for more than 1% of the total coins.

Also, note that netcodepool is an admin on Dogecoin's official sub-reddit, /r/dogecoin so even the creators trust us :) You could have just dropped a mail or approached any online admin on chat.

During the major hack before last week due to which there was one week downtime, our hot wallet was stolen, but we made sure all users got their coins and paid them from our pocket (never made an issue of that) - thus maintaining the record of never loosing a single user's coin.

---

Always calculate the amount of DOGE you will earn in 24 hours based on your hashes on a website like coinwarz, then based on that join a pool which gets you the closest amount to that.
Make sure you spend atleast 24 hours on a single pool to get correct statistics.

Always research about the pool's history before you mine there for longer duration time, because it involves your "real money".

Hello everyone, this is not my node but I have been on it for the past few days with great success. Would like to see a few more miners of course though!

Pros

• No transaction fees
• Low Mining Fees
• No Registration
• More Doge / Khash
• DDOS Resistant
• Pools Cannot be conned by pool owners (Since they don’t touch any of the Doge)
• Pools cannot be hacked (Since there is no running balance in any pool wallet)
• PPLNS so that pool-jumpers will pay the price to jump in when the price rises and loyal miners get the benefits
• It CANNOT perform a 51% attack on the system since it is decentralized

Cons

• Smaller mining rigs (<200Khash total) operate less efficiently since the payout is smaller
• Payout is not very consistent, (3-4 hours apart sometimes)
• Just like any other pool, the more miners, the better it works.
• Connecting to a node requires you copying your DogeCoin address

If you do not live in the midwest, check out http://p2pool.jir.dk/dogecoin/ to find a list of close P2Pool servers and then ping them from the CMD promt to see which has the best ping to you.

If you have any questions please ask!

Doge pools are scams  in regards to how much they pay out, I mine for 72+ without stopping and am only at 60% of what coinwarz and the pool estimates, percentage is not based on luck after enough time has gone by. Bottom line, doge pools are taking some of your coins and pocketing them. SCAM

Read my post above you bro. No scam there :)

So your pool will payout close to what Coinwarz estimayes over a 24 hour period?  Your pool won't be 50% or 60% of that???

If you need a worthy DOGECOIN pool try http://doge.pool.mn!
also get 5000 DOGECOINS if you'll find a block!
also see my signature for a bitcointalk.org thread where you can get 100 dogecoins just coz we love you  ;)

The payout has to do with you my man.

You did not understand what me and some others wrote before.

You're probably better off mining something else

I am perfectly capable of deciding what I mine, thank you very much. I along with many others believe that dogepools are scamming unsuspecting and suspecting people. Sorry, I don't buy your snakeoil, I know when I am being scammed.

Lol.

well keep palming your face instead of that other thing your mama told you to quit doing!! I understand averages, you don't! If the average is 500k, of course you won't hit 500 k every block, duh!! The longterm average should still work out to coinwarz estimates longterm, duh! so no I don't buy your snakeoil either, use it for lubing your facepalmer!

I've been mining with doge.hash.so recently:

https://doge.hash.so/ (https://doge.hash.so/)

My reject rate at dogehouse was about 5%, and it dropped to 1.5% with this pool.  Plus they have tons of interesting statistics, the ability to switch between a few coins, and seem pretty stable. 

Dang, the forum logged me out and I didn't copy my post, so this is a summary of what I said:

I ran a simulation of a 1440-block chain (i.e. one day) with a uniform distribution of random numbers between 0 and 1,000,000 to represent doge rewards. Then I set up ten pools, each with a random 2% chance of getting any given block reward. That's a fairly small pool, so the variance should be high; Multipool should be closer to the nominal rate where you assume a constant 500,000-reward block.

Even as a pool representing only 2% of the hash rate, the worst pool still returned 76.2% of the nominal balance. The best was over 130%. Any real pool with more than 2% of the doge hash rate should return over three quarters of the expected rate in any 24 hour period.

Instead, as reported here and by my own experience, I've tried a number of pools that have far underperformed in 24 hour tests. Any pool operator can easily skim off the top, there's not really any reason to trust any of them. Pools with 0% fees are particularly suspicious, but even Multipool's 1.5% off the top apparently isn't enough to keep them honest. And clearly isn't enough to keep their website consistently up.

I never had particular issue with doge.pool.pm

well neither with doge.scryptpools.com until what you know .. I assume that a 100% sure pool is not possible

Congratulations to be the first on my ignore list :)

check out www.elitter.net

Suchcoins.com is the pool iv been mining at latley.

1% fee and assume they take some off the top, but not much, iv been getting 75-90% of what im expected to get daily.

You are welcome to join mining at: http://teamdoge.com 0% fee pool

We are focusing on bringing the best support/community/security for miners

That was a quick failure, Prolificmining gave up on PPS already. I got a couple thousand doge out of them before they failed, and I thank them for that, though it was clear that they weren't very good at running a pool. Payments didn't work right and they can't even keep the website up. They complained about people doing payouts of a couple coin, but the transaction fee is set to 0. No wonder. They're now 0.0026% of the Doge hashrate, completely inconsequential. Also now refusing to do a manual payout of my remaining balance, which is the true mark of a scammer.

I've gone back to pool.dogechain.info; I figure being part of the Doge project they're at least a little bit less likely to be a scam. Though the payout for the last 24 hours has still been under 50% of nominal, which is statistically unlikely to just be unlucky.

Does anyone have anything against doge.hashfaster.com?

Doge doesn't look like their main business...

Hashrates on https://www.dogepool.net are rising steadily.. Finding decent amount of blocks too.

Aight. Giving dogepool a try overnight. See what gives.

edit - no... it estimates like 2,300 doges a day for 1.4 MHs... The hashfaster  was over 12,000 payout over the last 24 hours. Huh? I'm just looking at the numbers, I have nothing against either one...

Dont trust the estimates, See What You really get.



Hmm..  Maybe i should simply fake the estimates by multiplying them with a random Number between 5 and 15

EDIT: Fixed :)

Maybe somebody else goes first... I might give it a try when I get a couple more cards this week.

https://fast-pool.com - is Ok for me - 2 weeks

I am so tired of doge scam pools, new ones pop up everyday and they last for a month or two then they shut down and run away with all the funds.

Thats because People are switching so much, Dogepool.net was one of the First and it lasts

I have yet to find a doge pool which doesn't skim off the top at least 30-40%. Most people are to ignorant to realize this and are such believers in the coin that they don't care.

Want an honest pool?  Look no further: www.netcodepool.org

We don't tolerate crookish behavior and we are always watching.  

Well with all your fancy Powerpoint presentation there, can you show me anyone who got paid way over their 24 hour estimate, see luck, and estimates, and averages go both ways, if everyone is always being underpaid, then that proves scamming. So who has gotten significantly more that coinwarz, coinchoose or pool estimate?

Their orphan rate for the last week is 18%, which is insanely bad. Losing 18% of your work because the pool is poorly connected to the network is just as much a waste as losing it to fraud.

pool.dogechain.info's is 1.6% in comparison, over an order of magnitude better.

my orphan rate is 12% or so, but I still get 120% more than I should

lol, stop using the open source MPOS pools

It depends, the orphaned block were pretty small ones, so overall it is not THAT bad.

If you compare the luck and size of the last found blocks, it evens that out without problems:

https://i.imgur.com/8hqSaQu.png

https://www.dogepool.net

I set one 280x card to your pool, ocminer. To see how it compares with hashfaster, which has been ok so far.

Take a look here and youll see some analyzis of some pools that might give an indication of which pool to use and which scams:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450271.0

do you understand what "long term average" means?

In a process with 1 datapoint per minute, 24 hours (1440 samples) is more than sufficient to be considered a long term average.

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I ran a card overnight at dogepool and it only made 300 coins at almost 700 kh. So I stopped the experiment, granted it probably needs more time. Coinwarz thinks I should be getting over 13K a day with 1400 kh and I'm getting more than that at hashfaster, today at least, with one of the two cards mining at another pool for several hours. So for now I'm a happy camper. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Testing out dogepool so hopefully they continue to be legit otherwise I'll be totally done with doge pools.

netcodepool has been awesome!

i made my own p2pool at last, then i can cheat myself of the doges :P

i doubt my router will manage very much traffic but you are welcome to try it :D

http://doge.farstad.se:22550
user: dogecoin_address
pass: whatever

On one thing I have to agree, I also found out that Pools must be skimming off the top.

The other day I compared blocks found from my miners (and coins generated) vs actual payout from the pool. I got more than 40% less payout than if I would have been mining solo. I am talking about a different coin (earthcoin), but the problem seems to be universal. Since then I switched to solo mining, and I got actually at least 3 times more coins than my hashrate's estimate.

You should also check out if you find blocks regularly on the pool you are mining. Maybe it is worth a try (with a decent hashrate) to try solo mining. (By the way I have no idea about Dogecoin and solo mining, but with earthcoins it worked.)

I was on a pool, (name withheld to not cause a flame war) and was paying a 2.5% fee. Researched solo mining, and that was not a good fit. Ran across a P2P Pool idea, where it is decentralized. You probably already know about it but I am new to this.  I followed the instructions here and created a "node": http://doges.org/index.php/topic,5586.0.html and it went smoothly except for a typo on my part which drove me crazy looking over my work. Running it under VirtualBox so I can sandbox it and test, and revert to snapshots when I mess it up!

Can't testify to Hash Rates or if it is stable, but I am mining with just myself, pointing to my payout address and getting shares in my wallet. Kind of cool to see it as "Mined" instead of "Received with" from a pool. Not sure how the performance will compare to a typical pool.

Apparently you can allow people to join your node. I haven't tested it to see if my internet connection can take it, but anyone is welcome to try. If it gets crazy I can turn it off or get a bigger pipe.  What I like about it is you can connect to someone that is close to you or create your own node (I am in Fort Worth, TX). Set it up this morning, so I will see. Running for about 3.5 hours and have 322 shares on a 3.64 Mh/s rig. Anxious to see what it does in a week.

If you want to test it, I have it set for .5% (didn't think anything higher was fair, and may lower it. I just wanted to see if it paid the fees for my test.)

The instructions create a "Front end for the node" http://doge.joinaparty.com:22550 so you can see how it looks. Kinda of different from a standard pool. Probably should create a landing page for http://doge.joinaparty.com with instructions to everything.

Pulled these connect strings that you can try and connect I use sgminer:
cgminer --scrypt -o doge.joinaparty.com:22550 -u YOURDOGEPAYOUTADDRESS -p anypassword
bfgminer --scrypt -o doge.joinaparty.com:22550 -u YOURDOGEPAYOUTADDRESS -p anypasssword

Don't count on this being a forever node to connect to, I am just testing it and if two people connect it might even bring it to it's knees! :) Do me a favor and connect so I can test and then go create your own node! If it works out, who knows.

Thanks!
DaZ

Till now the best pool I mine with is coinking. http://coinking.io/register.php?r=237