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Title: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on May 28, 2018, 01:24:34 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: pxo.011 on May 28, 2018, 01:28:13 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
i thought this kind of topic was probihibited here, well actually i dont know the answer i dont even use bitcoin cash. but bitcoin now has a development it was fast and low fees in transaction.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: kastara on May 28, 2018, 01:49:10 AM
I will choose bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do meaning it will be more efficient because we when doing transaction with bitcoin we live only exchanged it but if Bitcoin Cash have to convert back to bitcoin in transact it in my opinion.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wheelige on May 28, 2018, 02:48:08 AM
I will choose bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do meaning it will be more efficient because we when doing transaction with bitcoin we live only exchanged it but if Bitcoin Cash have to convert back to bitcoin in transact it in my opinion.

If you preferred to use BCash though why would you convert it into bitcoin after a transaction? Thats adding a lot of unnecessary friction to a friction-less payment system.
You can store BCash in the same way as Bitcoin and send/receive in the same way to (unless you consider lightning which then you cant).

I don't know enough about BCash to make a call on how good it could be. Arguably its more in satoshi's vision as he suggested that on-chain scaling via bigger block size was the way to get closer to Visa amounts of transactions (however this would be at like 1gb block size w/o Segwit). There are drawbacks to this considering the amount of time it would take to communicate a block to the network, size of actual chain etc.

I like the way bitcoin is going by refining itself and being a more efficient machine. If Bitcoin wanted to develop with a larger block size it would be best to do that with the most efficiencies in place first (walking before it runs).


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: pooya87 on May 28, 2018, 02:51:13 AM
the answer is way too obvious that it feels silly even saying it! of course it is bitcoin.

bitcoin cash put aside all the second layer solutions and all the other solutions for scaling and even attacked them by spreading a lot of misinformation about it. their view is that the ONLY way of scaling is to increase the block size.
with that in mind, we have bitcoin that has all these solutions for scaling (SegWit, Signature aggregation, Schnorr,...) and the second layer solution (Lightning Network) and if we feel the need to increase the block size we will increase it in the future!

so on one hand we have BCH which only has 1 solution: increasing block size and has already exhausted that solution which has a lot of downsides
on the other hand we have bitcoin which has the solution that BCH used in the back pocket while other solutions are put to action.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: ralle14 on May 28, 2018, 04:16:37 AM
Bitcoin all the way because not everyone uses Bitcoin cash making their solution not that useful. Imo Bitcoin Cash's solution seems a bit rushed because if Bitcoin Cash was better a lot of people would've switched and their blocks should be flowing with transactions by now. The solutions we have with Bitcoin seems to be enough for now to maintain the low miner fee and if transactions starts to increase in the future there will always be a solution ready to be made.

i thought this kind of topic was probihibited here, well actually i dont know the answer i dont even use bitcoin cash. but bitcoin now has a development it was fast and low fees in transaction.
Afaik it's not, topics like these are only prohibited on r/bitcoin cmiiw.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: hao98 on May 28, 2018, 04:23:45 AM
I think in bitcoin it is still better than bitcoin cash


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: shafi alam on May 28, 2018, 04:47:35 AM
Its tough to say which one, we spent a few months where if you invest it could be profitable project.  but now market is too much difficult to know which is better. so as my opinion BITCOIN CASH is better for long term investment.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Zin-Zang on May 28, 2018, 05:12:09 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)

It all depends which you think is more important in the long run,

If you believe onchain scaling is more important, you pick Bitcoin Cash.

If you believe Lightning Network scaling is more important, then you pick Bitcoin Core.

Why did I say Lightning Network Scaling instead of offchain scaling.

Because any 3rd party can provide offchain scaling for any coin, with offchain transactions capacity that could rival visa.
LN is not the only way to scale offchain , that is the fallacy being promoted by many confused people.

So if offchain scaling is your pick then any coin with a 3rd party can scale,

if you believe specifically in LN only, then Bitcoin Core is your pick.

But to be perfectly honest both bitcoin core & cash are ignoring the elephant in the room, both use insane amounts of electricity and neither see that as a problem.
https://s16315.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2-10-14-the_elephant_in_the_room-380x230.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: sakuragi21 on May 28, 2018, 05:17:51 AM
I think if promotion and promotion and consumers are winning bitcoin rather than bitcoin cash and if they look at their two more likely bitcoins are far from bitcoin cash not only the bitcoin price is higher than their future


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Akiko on May 28, 2018, 05:54:37 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)

The answer are obviously, of course it's bitcoin.
We know that bitcoin we used all the way and it's good through the transactions. But if you believe in onchain scaling are more important, you may choose bitcoin cash.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: KrakenZ on May 28, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
Differences Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin in terms of security, Both have a high level of security. It's just that with the existence of hard fork or block that can not be validated in Bitcoin, of course safer Bitcoin Cash. The evidence shows that Bitcoin still has a gap. It also indicates that the Bitcoin block is unstable. Unlike the Bitcoin Cash that does not need to worry about the hard fork or any disturbance. That is why the price of BCH (unit Bitcoin Cash) soared. Usually, when Bitcoin is experiencing hard fork, the transaction will be paused. Well, here's where Bitcoin Cash comes in to support it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: crypto.legend on May 28, 2018, 06:19:59 AM
Bitcoin cash much younger then bitcoin.Bitcoin works like real currency on the other hand  bitcoin cash work like digital currency.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: SUDARMONO on May 28, 2018, 06:25:58 AM
For the future between bitcoin and BCH that have a bright future but I think BCH is better for the long term which has good potential in the development of block.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Kakmakr on May 28, 2018, 06:51:23 AM
When Roger Ver gets confronted by the question that Bitcoin Cash will not scale, he always respond with the same answer like a parrot. "Bitcoin Cash can also implement the Lightning Network"

So, they are just waiting for Bitcoin Core developers to do all the work and then they want to copy what Bitcoin does. In the end, if the Lightning Network is hugely succesful on Bitcoin and on-chain scaling over at Bitcoin Cash fail, then Bitcoin Cash will just implement the Lightning Network. <According to Roger Ver, Bitcoin Cash can implement the Lightning Network without SegWit>  ::)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wind_FURY on May 28, 2018, 06:54:49 AM
Everyone should read this article about Ethereum blockchain's exponentially growing size and its other anticipated problems. I believe it will also apply on Bitcoin Cash.

https://hackernoon.com/the-ethereum-blockchain-size-has-exceeded-1tb-and-yes-its-an-issue-2b650b5f4f62

The article also discusses about block propagation, network latency, node centralization and network demand.

When Roger Ver gets confronted by the question that Bitcoin Cash will not scale, he always respond with the same answer like a parrot. "Bitcoin Cash can also implement the Lightning Network"

So, they are just waiting for Bitcoin Core developers to do all the work and then they want to copy what Bitcoin does. In the end, if the Lightning Network is hugely succesful on Bitcoin and on-chain scaling over at Bitcoin Cash fail, then Bitcoin Cash will just implement the Lightning Network. <According to Roger Ver, Bitcoin Cash can implement the Lightning Network without SegWit>  ::)

They will need Segwit. I hope they implement it. It will be a win for the Core developers. 8)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: cryptorTUX on May 28, 2018, 06:58:03 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)

Well when you think about it both have the possibility to be scalable for the long run. If bitcoin cash will need higher blocks devs will increase the capacity of blocks even further although bitcoin with layer two have the possibility to provide faster transactions not to say instant ones with LN once implemented and used by majority. You also have other solutions that are not strictly tied to blockchain tech if we look at other altcoins out there such as NANO and IOTA who not only have the potential to scale but also have free transactions.

To my mind every coin out there will have to scale and will upgrade their code base, we have yet to see what solution works the best.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Jet Cash on May 28, 2018, 07:10:51 AM
Why do you have to choose between the two? They are different systems. and they can co-exist in the emerging financial world.

If the question was ' which would you choose as a store of wealth?', then I would answer - Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: avary18 on May 28, 2018, 07:11:36 AM
For the future between bitcoin and BCH that have a bright future but I think BCH is better for the long term which has good potential in the development of block.
For fast and reliable transaction bitcoin is the best.Bitcoin can handle hundreds of thousands transaction per second and cannot encounter any problem at all.BCH and Bitcoin is good for a long term investments


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: forumsehat on May 28, 2018, 07:32:37 AM
To be first or foremost until later I think bitcoin will always be the main one, but BCH with a cheap price also has a good chance for investment.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Zin-Zang on May 28, 2018, 08:01:47 AM
For the future between bitcoin and BCH that have a bright future but I think BCH is better for the long term which has good potential in the development of block.
For fast and reliable transaction bitcoin is the best.Bitcoin can handle hundreds of thousands transaction per second and cannot encounter any problem at all.BCH and Bitcoin is good for a long term investments

Max Transaction Capacity

Bitcoin Core Onchain Transactions per second , If they could scale up to 4meg, then 28 transactions per second or 2419200 transaction per day
, but in truth they are most likely less than half at ~12 transaction per second or 1036800 transactions per day.
 
In Theory LN Offchain Transactions will allow a scaling of transaction to exceed Visa, but offchain only.

Bitcoin Cash Onchain Transactions with a 32mb block : 224 transactions per second or 19353600 transactions per day

Using multiple 3rd parties offchain transactions also allow Bitcoin Cash/(any coin) scaling to exceed visa.  (No segwit or LN needed.)




Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: wndrbr3d on May 28, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?
I think that BCH is right answer but remember that it is just a fork of original BTC.
The amount of people which support BTC or BCH is extremely influence on coin`s importance also.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: buhna on May 28, 2018, 08:14:14 AM
I think we should invest in both coins because we never know who will be winner. Now I see that bitcoin cash has more volatility then bitcoin. Because bitcoin has more capitalization. But if you want trade, with Bitcoin cash you can earn more money and faster.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: binbim229 on May 28, 2018, 08:18:34 AM
I think bitcoin cash. In the long run it will be worth more than bitcoin. But not now. 2022


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Svafnir74 on May 28, 2018, 08:37:39 AM
I think in the long run, bitcoin has a better chance. BTH will not stand the competition with bitcoin and will disappear. I believe that this will happen in 2-3 years. BTH speculative coin with no real application


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: quanahri on May 28, 2018, 09:11:08 AM
I think bitcoin is still the strongest currency. The price increase of BCH is very big but to get top 1 of BTC is too difficult


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: franky1 on May 28, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
anyone thinking LN is a feature locked to bitcoin core network would be dead wrong. its not going to be something that renews bitcoin core network with anything that other networks will not also have.

this is because LN will be its own network that many other currencies will use. the core devs admit this. that is the whole point of segwit address format BC1q.
so that other networks can have their own currency identity. such as LTC would have LC1q on the LN network

so while many coins would all be using LN, the question still will be, what has bitcoin core devs done specifically to upgrade the bitcoin core network to make it more feature filled, and atleast more scaling proof than other networks that too will use LN.

emphasise this in your mind when thinking of the answer:
when all currencies use LN. what has the bitcoin core network alone got as a scaling advantage that othr networks wont have?



and to those who hate that people define the network as the bitcoin core network should read some code about what caused the segwit activation. and the new block structure acceptance and the new network topology, the new transaction formats. and that it had to be a mandatory signalling, rather than a consensus choice

    bool fVersionBits = (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) == VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;
    bool fSegbit = (pindex->nVersion & VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(), Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) != 0;
    if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {
        return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit");
    }

the code shows that blocks NOT signalling for cores NEW segwit protocol will get rejected. this included rejecting any legacy(bitcoin 2009-2016) block versions that would have been mined on august 1st 2017

yep bitcoin core network rejected blocks on august 1st that were not signalling cores new protocol. again for emphasis including block formats of bitcoin 2009-2016
which if people could read code shows that bitcoin core is not a continuation of the bitcoin 2009-2016 network but a fork away from it by rejecting blocks of that format known as bitcoin 2009-2016..

also. if cores new protocol was truly backward compatible
(not needing new nodes to translat as a upfilter/bridge node to old clients)
(not refusing to relay unconfirmed segwit transactions to old clients)

then the upgrade could have occured by not changing the versionbits and not have to reject legacy blocks. and instead get the opposition to set a version bit. in which the feature would only activate if there was less than 5% showing the version bit change (95% acceptance).

but no the segwit code is NOT backward compatible. it requires a middleman translater in the form of nodes (as gmax calls upstream filters, luke JR calls bridge nodes) to translate and reformat the blockchain. and the network topology had to change to put the old clients on an outer ring of the network. whereby they are not part of the peer to peer relay network, but downstream/bridged from the relay network

in short analogy english speaking nodes of 2009-2016 do not understand the dutch speaking blockchain of 2017-2018. core/segwit nodes can speak dutch and english. the network of 2017-8 is now dutch but the new population can translate and cut down the dutch informtion into a short version that any remaining minority race(old clients) left can be handed. but english speaking nodes cannot be part of the unconfirmd dutch transaction relay postal service because they wont understand dutch.

emphasis. even the core devs admit to this

now to those that still think that core are kings and deserve the power. where will you stand when they retire, decide to do other projects
EG if all the core devs decided at mid day tomorrow to all stop coding. and then 10 minutes later a bug was found that affects all nodes running cores segwit code. what would your attitude be.
would it be calm collected "its ok" or would you panic

you might think core are your kings. but they are not immortal.

if any of you core defenders actually cared about "bitcoin" as a decentralised network. you would not defend core. you would request they disband their mantatory rules and never use mandatory upgrades again(unless network killing bug found) and only use consensus of a open decentralised network for upgrades. whereby the community combine idea's to a unified compromise that all node client software would release a version of that would require less than 5% opposition to activate.

emphasis: consensus, compromise, community
de-emphasis: mantatory, contentious rejection, control



also bitcoin cash are not backward compatible.
this is why its called a bilateral split. NEITHER side is a true backward compatible continuation of the 2009-2016 network. which is where the debate begins of who should own brand "bitcoin"..
to which the easy answer is NEITHER. no one should own the brand.

instead its much simpler to say
bitcoin core
bitcoin cash

...
i now expect the standard onslaught of reddit script rebuttles defending core, then pretending its not core its bitcoin, then defending core again..
but ultimately not defending the true ethos of bitcoin as a decentalised everyone on the same level playing field of consensus network

have a nice day.
remember core are not immortal. where will you stand if CORE they stopped coding in 24 hours


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: PawanAggarwal on May 28, 2018, 10:24:24 AM
There is nothing else except itself Bitcoin cant be replaced by anyone. There are lots of feature that make it invulnerable. These are :

1. Fast in Transaction.
2. Worldwide acceptance of  crypto.
3. Low Transaction Fees.
4. High Security feature acceptance.



Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: BrewMaster on May 28, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

when you look at things in this perspective you can see that bitcoin can always implement the "block size increase" solution anytime we wanted in the future and have that side of bitcoin cash. but bitcoin cash can never implement SegWit and Lightning Network because if it does then they will be negating the first and only reason they forked off which was because they said 1) no changes like SegWit 2) scaling should only be done on-chain. if you break your only reason for existence then you should not even exist.

in short if BCH implements SegWit and LN even if they call it something else and mask it in different ways, BCH price will drop down hard because the little number of believes they have will dump it and go away.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: royalparade01 on May 28, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
I think in bitcoin it is still better than bitcoin cash


Bitcoin  and bitcoin cash is I think it's the same cryptocurrency. The bitcoin is a worldwide payment system  and decentralized digital currency while bitcoin cash it's brings sound money to the world.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: franky1 on May 28, 2018, 03:04:07 PM
Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

when you look at things in this perspective you can see that bitcoin can always implement the "block size increase" solution anytime we wanted in the future and have that side of bitcoin cash. but bitcoin cash can never implement SegWit and Lightning Network because if it does then they will be negating the first and only reason they forked off which was because they said 1) no changes like SegWit 2) scaling should only be done on-chain. if you break your only reason for existence then you should not even exist.

in short if BCH implements SegWit and LN even if they call it something else and mask it in different ways, BCH price will drop down hard because the little number of believes they have will dump it and go away.

this is why i am not in team cash.. but yes i also detest core. .. many people cannot see the big picture of the whole ecosystem to see beyond the 2 team drama of finger pointing.

the end result though.
bitcoin core WILL NOT have LN as its sole feature to rival other currencies.
bitcoin core really will need to decide to do something to the core protocol that adds something that other currencies do not have.
bitcoin core will need to step back and publicly announce that they will never again use a 'mandatory dated consensus bypass' upgrade
bitcoin core will need to work as a level playing field, allowing other nodes to use consensus.  no bilateral split, no REKT campaigns



Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: korobitsyna96 on May 28, 2018, 05:13:32 PM
Bitcoin is more promising and reliable than bitcoin cash. The same can not fork bitcoin to overtake this coin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: franky1 on May 28, 2018, 05:34:23 PM
Max Transaction Capacity

Bitcoin Core Onchain Transactions per second , If they could scale up to 4meg, then 28 transactions per second or 2419200 transaction per day
, but in truth they are most likely less than half at ~12 transaction per second or 1036800 transactions per day.
 
In Theory LN Offchain Transactions will allow a scaling of transaction to exceed Visa, but offchain only.

Bitcoin Cash Onchain Transactions with a 32mb block : 224 transactions per second or 19353600 transactions per day

Using multiple 3rd parties offchain transactions also allow Bitcoin Cash/(any coin) scaling to exceed visa.  (No segwit or LN needed.)

LN is not a feature locked to bitoin cores network. the bitcoin core developers admitted this as part of their segwit address format BC1q proposals for LN

as for bitcoin cores ONCHAIN tx/s. again. admitted by the bitcoin core devs. even with 4mb "weight" allowance. the dependancy of the legacy restraint on the blockchain, has stistically made it so even if there was 100% transaction utility of segwit format tx's. only expect 2.1x tx capacity boost compared to the norm.

as for the 7tx/s(never achieved in 9 years by the way)
thats based on 2009 theory of IF every transaction in a legacy block being a lean 1input 1 output tx to allow for 4200tx(=7tx/s). but the reality is that will not happen. on average its only ~2100tx a block(3.5tx/s) not 4200tx a block(7tx/s).

thus IF everyone used a segwit tx format expect (~2100 legacy*2.1) segwit at ~4500 tx a block.. but again thats only an IF everyone used segwit tx format.  so again dont expect 7tx/s as a norm

the reason for "weight" being x4 but not offering 4x capacity is for other bloaty features to come. which dont help transaction count increase but will fill the remaining "weight" buffer without havingas much impact on decreasing tx capacity.
take this as an example. of how you wont get 4x tx capacity.

2mb data. but only 225 tx's in the block
https://blockchain.info/block-height/505225

and what i just said is words from those in the core team. thus feel free to laugh if core fans try to rip their own teams stats apart to then try over promoting features the propagandists dont even understand.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: lulutika on May 29, 2018, 04:26:59 AM

I'm sure it's boring Bitcoin, it's valuable from the beginning, can expand, more development bitcoin cash


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: bitcoinskyrocket09 on May 29, 2018, 04:42:26 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
As for me, I will choose the use of bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do. That means, it will be more efficient because when doing transactions with bitcoin we can have easier transactions but if bitcoin Cash, people still have to convert them back to bitcoin then transact it once again. That is my opinion.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wind_FURY on May 29, 2018, 04:58:25 AM

"Segwit is not compatible with legacy nodes".

If you are going to be technical about it then discuss it in this topic, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3670474.0

As the network as it is now, it is backwards compatible. Legacy nodes "read" the Segwit transactions with the witness data stripped off and accept the blocks according to the consensus rules.

Quote
have a nice day.
remember core are not immortal. where will you stand if CORE they stopped coding in 24 hours

Then that is where you should look for good developers to follow. Not the developers that Roger Ver uses for his politics.

Plus Bitcoin Cash does not Roger Ver. They would be a better community without him.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: anon.ph011 on May 29, 2018, 05:00:57 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
i thought this kind of topic was probihibited here, well actually i dont know the answer i dont even use bitcoin cash. but bitcoin now has a development it was fast and low fees in transaction.
i saw it too and high ranks comment on this and saying it was prohibited.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: amwer on May 29, 2018, 09:34:59 AM
I have the feeling this will become a bigger war about which of the both Coins will survive this as the leading coin if it get's pumped that huge. I hope it will not affect the market too much again like the regular BTC pumps, but I am afraid, if this will go on for a while it will have a big impact on the altcoin market.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: LeGaulois on May 29, 2018, 09:57:36 AM
Just see how Bitcoincash promotes their product. Misleading people to think Bcaash is Bitcoin. Some people buy Bitcoin cash thinking they're buying Bitcoin. Then they discover they bought the wrong coin. Everything on the website bitcoin.com is done to confuse people.

Outside, buying the @bitcoin handle on Twitter to promote Bitcoin Cash and deny Bitcoin. Using the Bitcoin logo (lol?) Using sockpuppets accounts on the web.
If you have a real product, you would not need to use such marketing methods

Who is interested to use an altcoin like this one?


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Kertmu on May 29, 2018, 10:12:58 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)

I think that Bitcoin Cash is certainly an improvement on BTC copy, but because of Bitcoin's popularity, it loses.
The increase in the size of the BCH block is also positive, but for investors the main thing is that the investment would bring income. They do not really care about the structure of BCH. As soon as all the news announce that Bitcoin is worse than BCH, then the Bitcoin Cash era will begin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: iagyei259 on May 29, 2018, 10:32:18 AM
Bitcoin is crypto currency favorite and no other coin line bitcoin cash or ether can match it regardless of scalability issues.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: pentix on May 29, 2018, 10:34:00 AM
Both lose to some alts, especially ETH in terms of speed and utilization. But for trades, we can't skip them, BTC controls the minds


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: nicko122 on May 29, 2018, 10:44:17 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
Of course, the original bitcoin is more expensive and more popular, and bitcoin cach is cheaper and not so known to people. But bitcoin cach is also one of the most popular among the cryptocurrencies today.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: marn6767 on May 29, 2018, 11:47:47 AM
The answer is unquestionable bitcoin. Because it can be easily and conveniently done in processes other than being accepted and attracted by everyone. That's why this bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: buiduc on May 29, 2018, 11:52:31 AM
I think only bitcoin is king of crypto, bitcoincash doesn't become king of crypto. Bitcoin will go to the moon in this year. ;)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: taranbam on May 29, 2018, 12:24:52 PM
On the one hand, you can not simply take out cash from the market. Completely digital money is possible and will dominate on our planet, but only not exactly in the next decade. A person can not give up what he is used to.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: collision00 on May 29, 2018, 12:52:27 PM
Bitcoin the distance on the grounds that not every person utilizes Bitcoin money making their answer not that helpful. Imo Bitcoin Cash's answer appears somewhat hurried in light of the fact that if Bitcoin Cash was better many individuals would've exchanged and their pieces ought to stream with exchanges at this point. The arrangements we have with Bitcoin is by all accounts enough for the present to keep up the low mineworker expense and if exchanges begins to increment later on there will dependably be an answer prepared to be made.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: alishah19811 on May 29, 2018, 12:54:42 PM
it is obvious its bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: crypto3644 on May 29, 2018, 12:59:29 PM
bitcoin will be the number 1 currency forever and nobody can beat it, on the other hand bitcoin cash will have a good future but will not beat bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: xuv500 on May 29, 2018, 01:00:04 PM
I always go with Bitcoin on the scale able and the best crypto currency for all time, Bitcoin Cash is a good and potential crypto next to Ethereum but cannot even come closer to Bitcoin since Bitcoin is the king of all crypto currencies. I think Bitcoin Cash can compete with Ethereum and these two coins have close competition in terms of price and market cap.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Aragorn_125 on May 29, 2018, 01:00:14 PM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
I don't expect bitcoin cash is so good. All the same, I think that the cryptocurrency should remain in electronics and there is no need to transfer it to any further because it is off-the-shelf for this sphere of activity.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: ranman09 on May 29, 2018, 01:07:07 PM

But to be perfectly honest both bitcoin core & cash are ignoring the elephant in the room, both use insane amounts of electricity and neither see that as a problem.
https://s16315.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/2-10-14-the_elephant_in_the_room-380x230.jpg


I agree we must also put attention to efficiency and the stability of the network providers. What will happen if it so happens bitcoin miners are finding it hard to process bitcoin transaction vs electricity consumption?


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Rodeo02 on May 29, 2018, 01:11:27 PM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
I don't expect bitcoin cash is so good. All the same, I think that the cryptocurrency should remain in electronics and there is no need to transfer it to any further because it is off-the-shelf for this sphere of activity.
Bitcoin cash has it own side on why is it to be good but unfortunately there is such reason why people dont love bitcoin cash cause they find bitcoin is more good on it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wedgrow on May 29, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
I would still choose bitcoin in the first position of all bitcoin cash and altcoins.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: BitGunner on May 29, 2018, 01:46:31 PM
I don't have any doubts that this will be bitcoin, it is the most wanted and popular coin among all others. I am sure that this is the best way to change our traditional system. I think thank btc has a great future


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: saeroji92 on May 29, 2018, 02:23:04 PM
In my country Bitcoin Cash is quite blooming frankly I have not really understood it so I would still choose bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do meaning it will be more efficient because we do transactions with bitcoin we just exchanged but if Bitcoin Cash have to access back to bitcoin in transactions in my opinion more complicated.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: martaga on May 29, 2018, 02:37:29 PM
There is no comparison between these two. I strongly recommend members here to stay away from bitcoin cash especially for long term investments as there is huge manipulation there.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: laluna24 on May 29, 2018, 02:47:24 PM
Among on the given coins bitcoin is still my answer. Bitcoin cash is not that on top until these days and this was also a hype coin. I don't trust with other coins except bitcoin this will lead as cryptocurrency in the future.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Denker on May 29, 2018, 02:53:06 PM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)


I'm no technical expert. But even in the early years of Bitcoin I believe that Hal Finney said that scaling will have to happen via several layers.
The biggest problem for solely on-chain scaling is the bandwidth. Furthermore the larger the blocks get the harder it will be to run a full node. We would lose decentralisation if we would try to scale on-chain only. And this would offer a huge attack vector to shutdown Bitcoin.
Second and third layer solutions imo are the only way not to mess up with Bitcoin as a decentralized censorship resistant protocol, platform and future currency.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: tomkat on May 29, 2018, 03:25:05 PM
For the future between bitcoin and BCH that have a bright future but I think BCH is better for the long term which has good potential in the development of block.
For fast and reliable transaction bitcoin is the best.Bitcoin can handle hundreds of thousands transaction per second and cannot encounter any problem at all.BCH and Bitcoin is good for a long term investments

Bitcoin has never achieved "hundreds of thousands transaction per second" - the best tx rate was 15 at the end of 2017
https://blockchain.info/charts/transactions-per-second?timespan=all (https://blockchain.info/charts/transactions-per-second?timespan=all)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: bellmen08 on May 29, 2018, 08:39:09 PM
There are so many people who get confuse bitcoin with bitcoin cash. But, they are two seperate coins with different features and advancements. However,Bitcoin cash is quite new to market and it'll take much more time to be bitcon's competition.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: funchiestz on May 29, 2018, 08:41:56 PM
I do not think you might really have asked this question. Bitcoin Cash is a coin that will never replace Bitcoin. Now even the greatest supporters are not standing behind.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: loveinberlin on May 29, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
Bitcoin has the largest network, and its practical value is growing simply because it has the most users. For example, it is much easier to find accessories for a popular phone than for an unpopular one. The ecosystem of bitcoin makes it possible to buy and store it much more efficiently than transactions with some altcoin or a token resulting from the ICO.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Findingnemo on May 29, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
There are so many people who get confuse bitcoin with bitcoin cash. But, they are two seperate coins with different features and advancements. However,Bitcoin cash is quite new to market and it'll take much more time to be bitcon's competition.


Bitcoin and bitcoin cash are similar but bitcoin cash is in the starting stage but both have a huge future so the investors need to patience and calm for long term if you do that it will be profitable.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: felicita on May 29, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
iam still goging with the Bitcoin Core i convertet all my BCH back to BTC .
was a nice money making think not more in my way ;)




regards


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: franky1 on May 29, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
Then that is where you should look for good developers to follow.

follow.. like a sheep
nah

much better to have a open network of multiple node implementations of all different languages and all offering features on the same network which if they dont get consensus alone quickly they accept that not everyone likes it and then they all discuss in the community a compromise where they all can agree on a bit of this and a bit of that and a bit of the other.. then all produce software for all their implementations that the majority can agree on..

none of this follow one team centralised bullcrap you have decided to defend
you seem to stuck in the mindset of, if you dont like teamA go walk sheepishly over to team B

since you are a post 2013 bitcoin user where the only thing you have experienced is civil war.
many of use remmber the times before 2013 when there were more then one node type and there was no battle..
when decentralisatin and consensus was truly used

but anyway.
"to follow" now thats the comedy punchline that made me laugh today..
one day you will see the big picture




Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Astvile on May 29, 2018, 09:01:19 PM
its just like comparing 2 siblins of yours,bitcoin and bitcoin cash is in a different way,they will make all new brand new news of their own in their platform and price.Bitcoin cash is just a fork from bitcoins so you cant expect that much about it yeah it will have good price but it cant overcome bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: blockman on May 29, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
I don't like the attitude on how bitcoin cash is promoting and besides why they can't accept that it's an altcoin?

If you are a bitcoin casher then you are okay on how bitcoin.com fooling the new investors that makes them believe bitcoin cash is bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: abderrazak belkhir on May 29, 2018, 09:11:20 PM
I would like to said stop compare bitcoin with auther cryptocurrensies...biycoin will always be the best and the king
Thanks


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: boty on May 29, 2018, 09:31:53 PM
it seems like bitcoin will be very expensive and bitcoin can also be very rare because bitcoin has a very high demand and has a very high delivery technology that makes people who use bitcoin for transactions very safe and convenient. bitcoin cash can never beat bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: GaryCynthia on May 29, 2018, 10:15:26 PM
Of course, Bitcoin is more scalable and efficient. Bitcoin is already working on its improvements and has developed a lot. Bitcoin cash, on the other hand, is itself forked from Bitcoin. That’s why, I don’t like Bitcoincash.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on May 29, 2018, 10:24:33 PM
Bitcoin all the way because not everyone uses Bitcoin cash making their solution not that useful. Imo Bitcoin Cash's solution seems a bit rushed because if Bitcoin Cash was better a lot of people would've switched and their blocks should be flowing with transactions by now. The solutions we have with Bitcoin seems to be enough for now to maintain the low miner fee and if transactions starts to increase in the future there will always be a solution ready to be made.

Exactly. Bitcoin Cash has less usage than Bitcoin in the real world. Even if it has managed to successfully upgrade its block size to 32mb, not even a single block has been mined to date which has reached such capacity. This also applies to its launch in August 2017, where blocks didn't even reach the 8mb limit. As such, the space available for large transaction capacity is wide open for users to enjoy, but at the cost of centralization as the bigger the blocks, the less nodes would be able to maintain their storage costs.

On the other hand, I believe that Bitcoin is the way to go with SegWit and Lightning Network since it safely scales the blockchain without harming the decentralization of the cryptocurrency's main chain. In addition, sidechains will extend the functionality or use cases for the Bitcoin blockchain, and allowing Bitcoin to perform as an All-in-one cryptocurrency for everything blockchain in the mainstream world.

Despite everything, it would be interesting to see how the future of both Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash would turn out to be. They have their unique features and distinct visions to make cryptocurrency scalable and accessible to anyone in the world. If decentralization remains as the value proposition of these cryptos, then there should be nothing to worry about. Just sharing my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: rodel caling on May 29, 2018, 10:27:27 PM
I will choose bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do meaning it will be more efficient because we when doing transaction with bitcoin we live only exchanged it but if Bitcoin Cash have to convert back to bitcoin in transact it in my opinion.


I agree to you mate bitcoin are establish currency than bitcoin cash, and bitcoin are recognized by many's country as legal currency than bitcoin cash i use bitcoin to convert into fiat money in the authorized money changer and banks. very convenience to use all the time even if i use directly paying my utility bills such as electricity consumption.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: 7788bitcoin on May 29, 2018, 10:28:51 PM
now to those that still think that core are kings and deserve the power. where will you stand when they retire, decide to do other projects
EG if all the core devs decided at mid day tomorrow to all stop coding. and then 10 minutes later a bug was found that affects all nodes running cores segwit code. what would your attitude be.
would it be calm collected "its ok" or would you panic
I do accept with most of the things you said here and i really do not think that core team is immortal nor does any other team, any project dev can call it a day any time or anything might happen to them but that does not mean that the project will stall, it will go on and someone will come up and fix the issues, it is the case with majority of the projects.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: brylle34 on May 29, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
Since its inception, there have been questions surrounding Bitcoin’s ability to scale effectively. Bitcoin is a cryptocurrency that exists within a network of computers, within the blockchain. This is revolutionary ledger-recording technology. It makes ledgers far more difficult to manipulate for a couple of reasons: The reality of what has transpired is verified by majority rule, not by an individual actor. And this network is decentralized; it exists on computers all over the world. The problem with this technology is that it’s slow. Like, really slow, especially in comparison to banks that deal with credit card transactions. Visa procees 150 million transactions per day, averaging out to roughly 1,700 transactions per second. And their capability far surpasses that, at 24,000 transactions per second. How many transactions can the Bitcoin network process per second? Seven. Transactions take about 10 minutes to process. And as the network of Bitcoin users grows, waiting times will get longer, because there are more transactions to process without a change in the underlying technology that processes them. The latest debates around Bitcoin’s technology have been concerned with this central problem of scaling and increasing the speed of the transaction verification process. There are two major solutions to this problem, either to make the amount of data that need to be verified in each block smaller, making transactions faster and cheaper or to make the blocks of data bigger, so that more information can be processed at one time.  



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For all we know the bitcoin cash comes out from bitcoin because of Fork’ or ‘Forking’ generally means a kind of software upgrade/update which is done in such a way that it can be backward-compatible or cannot be backward-compatible.(We will talk about compatibility further in this article). In short, ‘Fork’ is just a fancy name for a software or a protocol update, and then there is diamond etc etc. why this is happening because every coins or altcoins ofcourse wants to beat bitcoin but that is not happening for now. bitcoin has established itself for a long time and there are theories that bitcoin can be like an antique in the future


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: boy130 on May 29, 2018, 10:36:26 PM
On chain scaling does not increase as fast as the block size increases. Eventually you're just going to have huge blocks with no priority. I think the off-chain solutions offered by Bitcoin, or even Ethereum's Raiden network pose a much more plausible solution to the scaling issue. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see some amalgamation between a sharding type and off-chain solution.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: alisadoll on May 29, 2018, 10:48:41 PM
Well, I will not tell you which one is better but personally I support Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a good platform to invest and it has a very good potential to make you profitable. Moreover, I believe Bitcoin is far away better that Bitcoin cash.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: jpnl0003 on May 29, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
It is true that Bitcoin cash is a fork of the original Bitcoin in the name of de-congesting the network but then the originality of the bitcoin framework is immeasurable compared to other networks that exist on the framework. thanks


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: BitHodler on May 29, 2018, 11:23:42 PM
I don't like the attitude on how bitcoin cash is promoting and besides why they can't accept that it's an altcoin?
I don't like everything around Bcash, but Roger has always been a great source of marketing for Bitcoin in the very early days. Too bad he has completely lost his mind in the worst possible way.

The reason he doesn't consider his Bcash project to be an altcoin is because of his plan to surpass Bitcoin at some point in the future. It's his only option left after having failed to take over Bitcoin with other toxic beings.

I don't hate him. I think he is mentally challenged and actually believes he's following the right path. It makes him look like someone badly in need of professional help, and every serious investor can see that.

No one in his right mind will pump millions in Bcash other than Roger himself.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: mary_55 on May 30, 2018, 12:11:24 AM
Bitcoin is far ahead from bitcoin cash. Bitcoin is the market leader of this market and they are less risky than bitcoin cash. Bitcoins transaction system is also easier from bitcoin cash. So i suggest you invest on bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abdullah.dhariwal on May 30, 2018, 01:17:43 AM
With out any doubt i'll choose bitcoin. Because father remains father. High five


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Shreek on May 30, 2018, 01:26:55 AM
both have similar advantages, and I prefer to Bitcoin Cash
in trading, I do not like the expensive coins, because to get profit, I have to wait a long time
because I am a fast-paced trader


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: iASIC on May 30, 2018, 03:51:11 AM
I will choose bitcoin because bitcoin is easier to do meaning it will be more efficient because we when doing transaction with bitcoin we live only exchanged it but if Bitcoin Cash have to convert back to bitcoin in transact it in my opinion.
People often use bitcoin rather than bitcoin in cash. Bitcoin is trusted by many investors and used in payment services in developed countries around the world. The bitcoin price is rising because of its usefulness for everyone. Bitcoin cash is not as popular as bitcoin, but in the future they will also grow.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wind_FURY on May 30, 2018, 06:37:55 AM
Then that is where you should look for good developers to follow.

follow.. like a sheep
nah


Unlike you we know who to follow. We know who the good developers are. You follow Roger Ver and believe in his propaganda. You are the sheep.

Bitcoin Cash will be better without Roger Ver and his friend Craig Wright.

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much better to have a open network of multiple node implementations of all different languages and all offering features on the same network which if they dont get consensus alone quickly they accept that not everyone likes it and then they all discuss in the community a compromise where they all can agree on a bit of this and a bit of that and a bit of the other.. then all produce software for all their implementations that the majority can agree on..

You can make your own Bitcoin impelementation if you like.

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none of this follow one team centralised bullcrap you have decided to defend
you seem to stuck in the mindset of, if you dont like teamA go walk sheepishly over to team B

Bitcoin development is not centralized. The Core developers have no power over the users, the miners, the WHOLE community? If they did then Segwit would have been implemented in a few days without the drama.

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since you are a post 2013 bitcoin user where the only thing you have experienced is civil war.
many of use remmber the times before 2013 when there were more then one node type and there was no battle..
when decentralisatin and consensus was truly used

I already did my research. I was confused in the beginning. In this forum I asked questions and learned from you and Fyookball. But I also learned from achow and Danny Hamilton.

You know my position and we can debate all day.

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but anyway.
"to follow" now thats the comedy punchline that made me laugh today..
one day you will see the big picture

Yes to follow, like how you follow Roger Ver. You are the only people who call Bitcoin "Bitcoin Core".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeOwZ84UQAEVGak?format=jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: sureblinks on May 30, 2018, 07:02:45 AM
i think bitcoin is still more efficient than any other and it will still do well in future


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Visbay on May 30, 2018, 09:53:34 AM
There are so many people who get confuse bitcoin with bitcoin cash. But, they are two seperate coins with different features and advancements. However,Bitcoin cash is quite new to market and it'll take much more time to be bitcon's competition.


Bitcoin and bitcoin cash are similar but bitcoin cash is in the starting stage but both have a huge future so the investors need to patience and calm for long term if you do that it will be profitable.
Bitcoin is good as currency and as investment at the same time, we can now buy all kind of goods we can even save it for our future, bitcoin is best to hold for long time we can trade with bitcoin we can invest and mine as well but this all needs patience if you have patience you will never lose at your investment, so keep on using bitcoin to buy good and to get profit at the same time.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: kulsuma on May 30, 2018, 10:37:26 AM
I believe bitcoin will become more scalable and efficient in the long term. because I prefer Bitcoin more then Bitcoin cash, it's more sustainable. strong and balanced in my eyes.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: mcqueen95 on May 30, 2018, 11:00:35 AM
Bitcoin was the first ever cryptocurrecy and today Bitcoin is the most valuable   cryptocurrency currently on the market. while other currencies are attempting to outrank Bitcoin and reduce it's dominance over the dogital-coin sector, few are getting close. However, Bitcoin cash may be an exception to that due to the difference between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash.!


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: mung_nasib on May 30, 2018, 12:17:24 PM
If I still trust bitcoin to experience rapid development in the next few years because the presence of many enthusiasts will certainly increase the bitcoin to be popular because long-term investments are most effective in generating profits.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: MiukoOk on May 30, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
both have similar advantages, and I prefer to Bitcoin Cash
in trading, I do not like the expensive coins, because to get profit, I have to wait a long time
because I am a fast-paced trader
In terms of advantages, I can not say for sure, but in terms of growth rate, I see that BCH has higher speed than BTC, and when decreasing, BCH is always lower. I find that BCH is quite a potential coin in the market, perhaps I will decide to buy some of the CCH holds for the future to come. They are really safe, I believe in the BCH.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: franky1 on May 30, 2018, 09:30:04 PM
Then that is where you should look for good developers to follow.
follow.. like a sheep
nah
Unlike you we know who to follow. We know who the good developers are. You follow Roger Ver and believe in his propaganda. You are the sheep.

Yes to follow, like how you follow Roger Ver. You are the only people who call Bitcoin "Bitcoin Core".

i dont follow ver.. which again is your failing to understand. you think people need to follow.. (facepalm)
you are so stuck in the follower mindset that you think its the only thing available. you need to learn the concept of decentralisation, urgently.
thats the problem with sheep they think if your not following the farmer you must be following the sheepdog.

what the sheep dont realise is the farmer and the sheep are working together

Bitcoin development is not centralized. The Core developers have no power over the users, the miners, the WHOLE community? If they did then Segwit would have been implemented in a few days without the drama.
segwit was implemented in a few days.. with their MANDATORY consensus bypass crap on august 1st!!

prior to the august event they didnt want to admit thir power. but at a cost to them only having 35% consensus.. so instead of backing off and finding a compromise that consensus would agree with.. they instead revealed their power.

real funny part.. you cant ignore the data, as its wrote into the blockchain.
you cant denie the core devs admitting their corruption. they even made pictures of it to make it obvious..

all you can try and do is to pretend im a ver fanboy..
what a silly pointless rebuttle that makes especially when its not the case.

P.S why are you not talking about BLOQ, the bilateral split.
why are you not taking about the up/downstream filers/bridging that TRULY makes segwit not backward compatible (in a network bug event. where segwit nodes cant translate, thus the segwit blocks are not compatible with legacy nodes)

and dont bother replying with just a point finger at a ver fanclub as your answer to anything anti core

..
P.S
when core defenders cannot rebut the obvious. all they can do is pretend a core opposer must be pidgeon holed into a fanclub of someone else..
but never do these core defenders ever consider that people can be decentralsied and hate cores centralisation.. all the core fanboys can comprehend is fanclubs of x or y. centralisation is all they understand because they have not experienced decentralisation.
...
the reason i dont follow ver is simple.  i have explained it SEVERAL TIMES to you specifically.
ver is on the same team those that want core to own bitcoin. (dcg.io)

its reserve psychology..

lets try it in another analogy. because real data, real quotes from core devs themselves seems to blow right past you.
womens hair.
no one should own the brand "blonde" but one brunette bleaches her hair blonde and wants to be the centre of attention as the one true and only blonde.
she gets her sister VERa whos a red head to scream out that strawberry blonde is the new blonde. all so that friends of the bleach blonde can argue that ginger is just ginger and will never be blonde and that bleach blonde is the one true blonde.

in my eyes neither are blonde.
there is
strawberry blonde
bleache blonde
but neither should own the brand blonde. and neither should say only they are THE blonde..

other blonde in the blonde community would get rekt and their hair forked out with scissors by the bleach blonde if they tried to say they were THE blonde. they would get told to dye off their hair to another colour if they tried to take blonde brand away from bleache blonde

so with bleache blonde now controlling the blonde community with her forks and scissor powers. we should still not let bleache blonde own the brand blonde.
and instead call the community she monarchs over bleache blonde until she backs down and declares to drop the rekt campaignes and forks and scirrors against other blondes. thus allowing othr blondes to as a community consensus go back to how things were a few years ago


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Zin-Zang on May 31, 2018, 02:55:35 AM
Bitcoin is the first digital cryptocurrency and it is the pioneer also. Bitcoin cash is the result of Bitcoin hardfork. Bitcoin is long term scalable and sustainable coin.


Both Cash & Core are forks of the original Bitcoin, neither is the original since the community split during the forks, some went with one some went with the other.

While the miners just play both sides by mining both.  :P



Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Gyromancer on May 31, 2018, 03:17:07 AM
I prefer bitcoin cash. Is it not the presence of this bitcoin cash to improve the weakness of transactions on bitcoin? The presence of bitcoin cash is motivated by the slow ability of bitcoin in conducting large-scale transactions. Bitcoin is only able to process approximately 6 to 7 transactions and it takes 10 minutes. An old process is not it? Compared to banks, banks are able to process VISA credit card transactions of 1,600 transactions per second. This is what motivates developers to make improvements. If not, then bitcoin will be increasingly abandoned. Although bitcoin cash is relatively young but I prefer bitcoin cash rather than bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Jihuny23 on May 31, 2018, 03:38:14 AM
I also prefer with bitcoin cash (BCH) rather than bitcoin (BTC). I chose BCH because BCH able to accommodate block of 8 MB while BTC only able to accommodate block of 1 MB only. Besides that, in terms of security, I prefer BCH. When hard fork occurs, the bitcoin network becomes instable so sometimes bitcoin transactions will be temporarily suspended. While BCH tends to be stable and transactions can still be done even though it is in a hard fork.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: tikanima on May 31, 2018, 04:27:44 AM
I think bitcoin will be much more effective than BCH, you should consider


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: novsali on May 31, 2018, 05:17:29 AM
There is lot of manipulation going on with bitcoin cash. Avoid it if you are a long term investor.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: huryu on May 31, 2018, 05:28:58 AM
Bitcoin is far ahead from bitcoin cash. Bitcoin is the market leader of this market and they are less risky than bitcoin cash. Bitcoins transaction system is also easier from bitcoin cash. So i suggest you invest on bitcoin.

What do you mean by bitcoins transactions system is easier? Could you please explain it?
thanks


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: SHAWN-MIDWAYS on May 31, 2018, 05:49:09 PM
Look there is some improvements in the technology of bitcoin cash vs bitcoin but I strongly believe that it will not over take bitcoin nor stand a chance against bitcoin as It seems that its trying to be a bitcoin 2.0. I think there are much better coins like ETH, monero that you should look at.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: dupee419 on May 31, 2018, 05:54:23 PM
Apparently bitcoin cash is nowhere bitcoin is right now, it's not a fair fight and I think bitcoin cash has a long long way to go, aside from the price value and everything in the market bitcoin cash may be a bit advanced and their platform shows more advancement over bitcoin, but bitcoin still heavily is the king of crypto.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: motionerror on May 31, 2018, 05:55:35 PM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)

Much prefer the BTC and not bitcoin cash, BCH was created by Jihan et al to try and corner the market and dupe new users into thinking it's the real bitcoin. It's not.

Lightening will kill most altcoins.

Long $BTC.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: insikko0413 on May 31, 2018, 05:59:23 PM
Apparently bitcoin cash is nowhere bitcoin is right now, it's not a fair fight and I think bitcoin cash has a long long way to go, aside from the price value and everything in the market bitcoin cash may be a bit advanced and their platform shows more advancement over bitcoin, but bitcoin still heavily is the king of crypto.
Both choices are plays important role in our lives and choosing what will be mine is really depends on our needs because if i dont need money i must prefer stay invest in bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: samuraijin on May 31, 2018, 06:12:17 PM
I prefer bitcoin, satoshi nakamoto no longer here to hold it fully but bitcoin cash is rogerver and jihan wu, i think it's more real that everyone chooses bitcoin because it's owned by everyone since the first established faucet site and other free bitcoin sites , but not with bitcoin cash it seems only big guys, no one downstairs who owns it and I think it's not interesting


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: King Bounty on May 31, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
I still choose Bitcoin as the best, because until whenever there will be no one can beat Bitcoin


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: atom2080 on May 31, 2018, 07:30:37 PM
More like bitcoin because Bitcoin was the first ever cryptocurrency and for many years it wasn’t very known. It is just like any other real currency. You can use it to buy, sell and trade for goods, services, investments and more.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Gab192 on May 31, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
More like bitcoin because Bitcoin was the first ever cryptocurrency and for many years it wasn’t very known. It is just like any other real currency. You can use it to buy, sell and trade for goods, services, investments and more.
UNTIL we have lightning BTC cannot be used for what you just mentioned. Fees are so much greater than good old fiat.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: coinwizard_ on May 31, 2018, 07:41:16 PM
Bitcoin is always the best option versus any coin, especially bitcoin cash. This duplicate is taking the shine away from bitcoin and the investors with it. Support the original, and let the market grow with it


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: laryillary on May 31, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
Those who in 2010-2011 did not have time to jump into the Bitcoin train and make a profit of several thousand percent, today have the opportunity to jump into the train eBitcoin.
Although no.
It's not a train. This is a space rocket that will take you to the cloudless future of new technologies.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: AliErkic on May 31, 2018, 08:12:34 PM
Bitcoin cash is a cheap cast of bitcoin only promoted for profit reasons. The worst case is Bitcoin cash stealing marketcap from bitcoin so it is more marketcap away. This is not good and since almost one year. Two acrobats can not dance on one rope.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: blockman on May 31, 2018, 08:43:06 PM
I don't like the attitude on how bitcoin cash is promoting and besides why they can't accept that it's an altcoin?
I don't like everything around Bcash, but Roger has always been a great source of marketing for Bitcoin in the very early days. Too bad he has completely lost his mind in the worst possible way.

The reason he doesn't consider his Bcash project to be an altcoin is because of his plan to surpass Bitcoin at some point in the future. It's his only option left after having failed to take over Bitcoin with other toxic beings.

I don't hate him. I think he is mentally challenged and actually believes he's following the right path. It makes him look like someone badly in need of professional help, and every serious investor can see that.

No one in his right mind will pump millions in Bcash other than Roger himself.
That's how he believed on his coin after the failure he got with Bitcoin Unlimited.

I admire Roger for his support with bitcoin start ups before and whatever is leading him to leave bitcoin (did he left already?) and support bitcoin cash there's a personal interest on it. If he's mentally challenged and wants to surpass bitcoin that's too much for him.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: yoseph on May 31, 2018, 09:24:31 PM
I don't like the attitude on how bitcoin cash is promoting and besides why they can't accept that it's an altcoin?
I don't like everything around Bcash, but Roger has always been a great source of marketing for Bitcoin in the very early days. Too bad he has completely lost his mind in the worst possible way.

The reason he doesn't consider his Bcash project to be an altcoin is because of his plan to surpass Bitcoin at some point in the future. It's his only option left after having failed to take over Bitcoin with other toxic beings.

I don't hate him. I think he is mentally challenged and actually believes he's following the right path. It makes him look like someone badly in need of professional help, and every serious investor can see that.

No one in his right mind will pump millions in Bcash other than Roger himself.
That's how he believed on his coin after the failure he got with Bitcoin Unlimited.

I admire Roger for his support with bitcoin start ups before and whatever is leading him to leave bitcoin (did he left already?) and support bitcoin cash there's a personal interest on it. If he's mentally challenged and wants to surpass bitcoin that's too much for him.
That guy has been consistent with his support for Bitcoin Cash all over social media and one cannot deny that he has some good points though and Bitcoin Cash has shown that it is a wealthy competitor as well.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: imapd on May 31, 2018, 10:12:01 PM
For me - Bitcoin cash sounds like a carbon cope of bitcoin to ride on a known brand name, like Gucci - Cloths - name of new compane


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: allezbitcoin on May 31, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
If the investment factor I prefer bitcoin compared with bitcoincash, because now many people make bitcoin as a future investment assets. Volume in exchanger is also very large compared to bitcoincash, so in my opinion bitcoin stay better.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: alroys on May 31, 2018, 11:49:22 PM
My choice fell on Bitcoin, because Bitcoin is a digital coin that has a higher value than other coins including Bitcoin Cash. Bitcoin is the highest Trusted Coin of all communities and users of Kriptocurrency in particular, so Bitcoin will be the most scalable and Efesien coin in the future.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: infer on June 01, 2018, 12:03:49 AM
BOth are good, but i believe that bitcoin cash brings more profit than bitcoin. If you want to be rich in a short time and you can take a small risk, try to invest your money in bitcoin cash, it will never fail you. ANd if you do not have the ball to invest in bitcoin cash, bitcoin is the safest investment on the cryptoucrrency market


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Wind_FURY on June 01, 2018, 06:15:38 AM
Then that is where you should look for good developers to follow.
follow.. like a sheep
nah
Unlike you we know who to follow. We know who the good developers are. You follow Roger Ver and believe in his propaganda. You are the sheep.

Yes to follow, like how you follow Roger Ver. You are the only people who call Bitcoin "Bitcoin Core".

i dont follow ver.. which again is your failing to understand. you think people need to follow.. (facepalm)
you are so stuck in the follower mindset that you think its the only thing available. you need to learn the concept of decentralisation, urgently.
thats the problem with sheep they think if your not following the farmer you must be following the sheepdog.

what the sheep dont realise is the farmer and the sheep are working together

Of course you are. You have the same script as him. You support 32mb blocks and think that it's a brilliant solution for scaling. You also tell us that "Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin" or Bitcoin is not Bitcoin anymore or there is no Bitcoin. Anything to confuse everyone.

You support him and his propaganda like Roger Ver's little pet sheep.

Bitcoin development is not centralized. The Core developers have no power over the users, the miners, the WHOLE community? If they did then Segwit would have been implemented in a few days without the drama.
segwit was implemented in a few days.. with their MANDATORY consensus bypass crap on august 1st!!

prior to the august event they didnt want to admit thir power. but at a cost to them only having 35% consensus.. so instead of backing off and finding a compromise that consensus would agree with.. they instead revealed their power.

real funny part.. you cant ignore the data, as its wrote into the blockchain.
you cant denie the core devs admitting their corruption. they even made pictures of it to make it obvious..[/quote]

But it was the miners that activated Segwit through BIP91. The Core developers did nothing. In fact, most of them thought that Segwit would never activate.

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all you can try and do is to pretend im a ver fanboy..
what a silly pointless rebuttle that makes especially when its not the case.

But you are. Listen to yourself. You sound as if you follow him dearly.

Maybe you have the same hairstyle? 8)

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P.S why are you not talking about BLOQ, the bilateral split.
why are you not taking about the up/downstream filers/bridging that TRULY makes segwit not backward compatible (in a network bug event. where segwit nodes cant translate, thus the segwit blocks are not compatible with legacy nodes)

and dont bother replying with just a point finger at a ver fanclub as your answer to anything anti core

There was no bilateral split. That is a Roger Ver script.

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when core defenders cannot rebut the obvious. all they can do is pretend a core opposer must be pidgeon holed into a fanclub of someone else..
but never do these core defenders ever consider that people can be decentralsied and hate cores centralisation.. all the core fanboys can comprehend is fanclubs of x or y. centralisation is all they understand because they have not experienced decentralisation.
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the reason i dont follow ver is simple.  i have explained it SEVERAL TIMES to you specifically.
ver is on the same team those that want core to own bitcoin. (dcg.io)

its reserve psychology..

"Rebut" what? Your Kim Kardashian conspiracy theory?

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lets try it in another analogy. because real data, real quotes from core devs themselves seems to blow right past you.
womens hair.
no one should own the brand "blonde" but one brunette bleaches her hair blonde and wants to be the centre of attention as the one true and only blonde.
she gets her sister VERa whos a red head to scream out that strawberry blonde is the new blonde. all so that friends of the bleach blonde can argue that ginger is just ginger and will never be blonde and that bleach blonde is the one true blonde.

in my eyes neither are blonde.
there is
strawberry blonde
bleache blonde
but neither should own the brand blonde. and neither should say only they are THE blonde..

other blonde in the blonde community would get rekt and their hair forked out with scissors by the bleach blonde if they tried to say they were THE blonde. they would get told to dye off their hair to another colour if they tried to take blonde brand away from bleache blonde

so with bleache blonde now controlling the blonde community with her forks and scissor powers. we should still not let bleache blonde own the brand blonde.
and instead call the community she monarchs over bleache blonde until she backs down and declares to drop the rekt campaignes and forks and scirrors against other blondes. thus allowing othr blondes to as a community consensus go back to how things were a few years ago


I cannot comment anything to that. It's a word jumble that I cannot make sense of. It would be best to stick to the issue.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Memeicomel on June 01, 2018, 06:20:19 AM
Which of the leading cryptocurrencies will become more scalable and efficient in the long term?

Will it be Bitcoin with its Layer Two solutions such as the Lightning Network and Sidechains?

Or Bitcoin Cash with its on-chain scaling solutions by increasing the block size limit?

I would like to know your thoughts about this. :)
i thought this kind of topic was probihibited here, well actually i dont know the answer i dont even use bitcoin cash. but bitcoin now has a development it was fast and low fees in transaction.
Bitcoin is a coin that has the number one development in the Cryptocurrency market, and becomes the coin with the highest price among the others. while for Bitcoin Cash is Altcoin which has a high enough price but not as high as Bitcoin. so they have the difference but they are equally increased and struggling.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Herbert2020 on June 01, 2018, 06:40:46 AM
BOth are good, but i believe that bitcoin cash brings more profit than bitcoin. If you want to be rich in a short time and you can take a small risk, try to invest your money in bitcoin cash, it will never fail you. ANd if you do not have the ball to invest in bitcoin cash, bitcoin is the safest investment on the cryptoucrrency market

everything you said here is wrong!
- bitcoin is good not both
- bitcoin can give you a lot more profit with a lot less risk than BCH can with its possible pumps. and if it is profit that you want then any much smaller shitcoin can have much bigger pumps so they can give you more profit in short term.
- if you want to take a big risk and want top become rich then invest in a super cheap shitcoin that  can get pumped for example from 10 satoshi to 10000 satoshi. it happens a lot more often than BCH can be pumped ever.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Nimblecrown on June 01, 2018, 06:51:27 AM
Do the "improvements" of BTC Cash open the door to a monopoly in the profits of mining by big companies such as Canaaan etc are doing with BTC mining? The increased rewards for mining etc would be enough of an impetus for big companies to control the mining market for their own profit?


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: blockman on June 01, 2018, 11:49:37 AM
That guy has been consistent with his support for Bitcoin Cash all over social media
Yes he does and very supportive to that coin.

He's even fooling the people and especially the newbies that are visiting bitcoin.com. He is making it look like bitcoin is the altcoin and his bitcoin cash is the real bitcoin.

one cannot deny that he has some good points though and Bitcoin Cash has shown that it is a wealthy competitor as well.
Can you tell me what are those good point he does?


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: hihitao50 on June 01, 2018, 02:16:31 PM
Its tough to say which one, we spent a few months where if you invest it could be profitable project.  but now market is too much difficult to know which is better. so as my opinion BITCOIN CASH is better for long term investment.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on June 04, 2018, 06:42:19 PM
I prefer bitcoin, satoshi nakamoto no longer here to hold it fully but bitcoin cash is rogerver and jihan wu, i think it's more real that everyone chooses bitcoin because it's owned by everyone since the first established faucet site and other free bitcoin sites , but not with bitcoin cash it seems only big guys, no one downstairs who owns it and I think it's not interesting

Yes. It seems that Bitcoin Cash is only controlled by a few entities, in contrast to Bitcoin which is controlled by its community and the Core dev team. What's worse with Bitcoin Cash is that Roger Ver keeps fooling newcomers into cryptocurrency by making them think that Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin when it is just another altcoin. By using Bitcoin's name or branding, it could bring a lot of confusion in the mainstream world, especially to those who're new into the field of cryptocurrencies.

I think that the best name for Bitcoin Cash would've been “BitCash” to prevent confusion and let people know that Bitcoin Cash is indeed an altcoin and NOT the real Bitcoin. While both coins are similar in terms of supply, and other factors in the technical side, they have different visions and purposes in real life. As Bitcoin Cash aims to be used as "electronic peer-to-peer cash" it will take the necessary measures to make that happen even if it must sacrifice its decentralization. Right now, they've upgraded to 32MB block size limit, but I believe that they will keep increasing the block size over time until there's an unlimited block size on the blockchain, or a dynamically adjusted blocksize according to the network's transaction load.

This in effect, will make Bitcoin Cash extremely centralized over time, as once blocks start to become filled to their maximum block size, the storage and bandwidth requirements for a node would be greater, leaving an average Joe with small powered devices such as the Raspberry Pi, out of the network. Not to mention, Bitcoin Cash has a conman called Craig Wright who thinks he's the real Satoshi Nakomoto.

On the other hand, Bitcoin (although criticized by many) is taking the right direction to preserve its network security, reliability, and most of all, decentralization by implementing off-chain scalability solutions. This seems like the safest route to go (although not perfect) as anyone would still be able to run a full node for Bitcoin, and a LN node (if the user has enough capital to open/close a channel). Once the LN becomes active and stable on the Bitcoin network, then it will render most altcoins (like Bitcoin Cash) useless, since transactions would be instant, and fees would be negligible, having a positive effect over Bitcoin's dominance in the market.

Nevertheless, only time will tell whenever on-chain scaling or off-chain scaling will work as intended in a blockchain system. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Haunebu on June 10, 2018, 01:06:11 PM
There is no point in comparing Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash at the moment since everyone can clearly see that Bitcoin Cash is being manipulated by a handful of individuals which is not the case with Bitcoin. It is true that Bitcoin gets manipulated now and then, but I doubt it gets manipulated in the manner that Bitcoin Cash gets manipulated by the same group of individuals.

I feel like Bitcoin Cash is a centralized currency which cannot be trusted which is why I don't recommend investing into it. It is possible to earn huge profits through Bitcoin Cash due to its insane swings now and then, but this is a very risky option and is very unreliable.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: pelipurlara on June 14, 2018, 09:22:13 AM
I think Bitcoin cash can never beat bitcoin. Because bitcoin has a very high demand and has a very high delivery technology that makes people who use bitcoin for transactions very safe and convenient and it seems bitcoin will be very expensive and bitcoin can also be very rare


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: arthurgrand on June 14, 2018, 09:27:40 AM
For me I think I would choose bitcoin on the long term scale and bitcoin cash for the short term because it still has a lot of room to grow.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on June 26, 2018, 08:34:25 PM
I think Bitcoin cash can never beat bitcoin. Because bitcoin has a very high demand and has a very high delivery technology that makes people who use bitcoin for transactions very safe and convenient and it seems bitcoin will be very expensive and bitcoin can also be very rare

That's certainly true, mate. Based on facts, Bitcoin has more usage in the mainstream world than Bitcoin Cash itself. Ever since the split occurred on August 2017, Bitcoin Cash hasn't even mined a single 8mb block. Most recently, it has hard forked to upgrade its block size to 32mb, but the situation remains the same. This shows that BCH is barely used by anyone, even if it's capable to process more transactions at a cheaper rate than Bitcoin. Blocks haven't been filled to 32mb blocks yet, so it leaves BCH with plenty of space for transactions that will eventually become centralized if it experiences greater adoption over the long term.

However, that's not the case with Bitcoin, because even if it has a block size limit of 1mb, it will retain its decentralization over time. Layer-two solutions such as the Lightning Network will allow Bitcoin to scale safely without compromising decentralization. In case the LN were to fail, then the main chain will operate as normal in a decentralized fashion. On the other hand, increasing the block size would greatly affect the decentralization of the cryptocurrency (like the case of Bitcoin Cash), as blocks would become bigger and the costs of operating a node would become totally insane. Only big data centers, wealthy people, and corporations would be able to operate a node, as the blockchain data will increase in an unprecedented rate. As for BCH, the blockchain data will increase up to 32x than that of Bitcoin's, making it extremely centralized if blocks were to be filled at maximum capacity.

Despite everything, both cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash) have many things in common such as supply, block time, and halving rate. As such, both coins are rare by design which would have a positive effect in their price over the long term. It's interesting to watch how they would tend to become in the future, as they have their unique visions on scaling. Whenever it is Lightning Network with SegWit, or a simple block size increase, time will tell which scalable solution is successful to help drive Bitcoin's usage in the mainstream world. Just my opinion :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: lider1971 on June 30, 2018, 02:34:51 AM
The main Bitcoin is now supported by many financial institutions, in some countries it has already been accepted as an additional currency. Bitcoin Cash will not disappear either. Due to the large size of the blocks technically it has the best potential. Therefore, it will not be surprising if the rate of this digital coin will grow and as a result will be equal to Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: danceinthedunes on June 30, 2018, 02:37:49 AM
Right now, there is a good argument to be made as to why Bitcoin Cash is better than Bitcoin. When you take into account transaction speed and scalability, it is clear that BCH has the upper hand. However, let me emphasize that because BCH currently has the upper hand DOES NOT mean it always will. Understand that these blockchains are still largely in development and a lot can happen in the upcoming years. It is very possible the Lightning Network will be of exceptional use and be the all solution to the problems Bitcoin is facing.

I’m hesitant to definitively select a blockchain as the best because what is considered the best right now may not always be the best in the future. This is really a race between the blockchains. BCH has the upper hand right now but that doesn’t mean BTC can’t bring it back.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Skizzewizzie on June 30, 2018, 02:42:11 AM
Bitcoin cash is a continuation of bitcoin as a peer-to-peer e-cash item. It is a split from the Bitcoin blockchain ledger, which is an upgrade of its consensus rules so that it can better expand and develop.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Om George Kesurupan on June 30, 2018, 02:44:12 AM
I think Bitcoin cash can never beat bitcoin. Because bitcoin has a very high demand and has a very high delivery technology that makes people who use bitcoin for transactions very safe and convenient and it seems bitcoin will be very expensive and bitcoin can also be very rare
I agree with you BCH will never beat Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the main coin and becomes the benchmark of all coins so it is very difficult for Bitcoin cash to beat Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Lerosaeyan6 on June 30, 2018, 02:53:55 AM
I think in bitcoin it is still better than bitcoin cash
I prefer bitcoin because altcoin is already much enjoyed by people and so now bitcoin prices will soon come back and so even though now the value of Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash in the market is higher BitcoinCash I remain and sure prefer Bitcoin



Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on July 12, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
The main Bitcoin is now supported by many financial institutions, in some countries it has already been accepted as an additional currency. Bitcoin Cash will not disappear either. Due to the large size of the blocks technically it has the best potential. Therefore, it will not be surprising if the rate of this digital coin will grow and as a result will be equal to Bitcoin.

Agree. Bitcoin has first mover advantage, and it's the most widely used and supported cryptocurrency to date. Since it's the golden standard of cryptocurrencies, it'll be here to stay for years to come. On the other hand, Bitcoin Cash might survive and remain in crypto land for a very long time. Both cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash) have their unique approach to scalability, which are interesting to watch as time passes by.

Of course, I'm not comfortable with the level of centralization Bitcoin Cash has, but at least the coin itself serves as a testing grounds for scalability. By increasing the block size in BCH, we can determine how efficient it will be in terms of scalability over time. On the other hand, Bitcoin's Lightning Network takes a different approach to scalability, which is also experimental. Over time, only one scalable solution will become successful in bringing the blockchain to the masses.

In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt to buy and hold both cryptocurrencies for the future. As for me, I've been an early adopter of Bitcoin and had received free Bitcoin Cash. I haven't sold them yet, which is free money that may really pay off in the long term.

Nevertheless, Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash have a lot more than meets the eye. Over time, we'll see how everything will turn up with these cryptocurrencies. But in my eyes, Bitcoin will always be the original Bitcoin, and Bitcoin Cash will remain as an altcoin for years to come. Just my thoughts ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Aikolmu on July 16, 2018, 02:55:35 PM
I will pick bitcoin in light of the fact that bitcoin is less demanding to do meaning it will be more productive in light of the fact that we while doing exchange with bitcoin we live just traded it yet in the event that Bitcoin Cash need to change over back to bitcoin in execute it as I would like to think.


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on July 19, 2018, 06:30:07 PM
I will pick bitcoin in light of the fact that bitcoin is less demanding to do meaning it will be more productive in light of the fact that we while doing exchange with bitcoin we live just traded it yet in the event that Bitcoin Cash need to change over back to bitcoin in execute it as I would like to think.

Bitcoin is much more strong and resilient that Bitcoin Cash itself. It has been demonstrated, that the latter is centralized and controlled by a few players. As such, most people prefer to use Bitcoin over Bitcoin Cash for their daily transactions. The inability of BCH to mine blocks over 8mb, shows that there's virtually no interest in the cryptocurrency. Since it's usage is very minimal, it's no wonder why BCH is cheap and faster than Bitcoin itself. However, once it starts to gain traction (which I doubt it), then fees will start to rise, and transactions will become expensive as blocks become filled to their maximum capacity (just like what's happening with Bitcoin right now).

Even if BCH keeps increasing the block size over the long term, the results will be negative as it becomes more centralized due to the inability of node operators to maintain the blockchain because of the high storage costs and bandwidth requirements. Therefore, in the end, Bitcoin might win after all with its Lightning Network solution. ;)


Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: ps on July 19, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
Technically Bitcoin Cash is better. bigger block size, faster transaction speed, low transaction fee and it is already trading over $800+

But Bitcoin has “first-mover” advantage, you can buy almost anything with Bitcoin core. From coffee to apartments and it’s return is much more than Bitcoin cash.

A better idea would be a 70–30% investment in Bitcoin and Bitcoin cash respectively.

Also, if you’ll have Bitcoin then you are eligible for any free currency(like Bitcoin cash) comes out of any Bitcoin fork.



Title: Re: Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash
Post by: Abiky on July 22, 2018, 07:54:27 PM
Technically Bitcoin Cash is better. bigger block size, faster transaction speed, low transaction fee and it is already trading over $800+

But Bitcoin has “first-mover” advantage, you can buy almost anything with Bitcoin core. From coffee to apartments and it’s return is much more than Bitcoin cash.

A better idea would be a 70–30% investment in Bitcoin and Bitcoin cash respectively.

Also, if you’ll have Bitcoin then you are eligible for any free currency(like Bitcoin cash) comes out of any Bitcoin fork.

True. Bitcoin Cash may be better in technical aspects, but it's not in terms of long term security and reliability. This is because, it will become centralized over time as blocks are filled beyond the 32mb limit, making it expensive for an average person to operate a full node. However, if technology would somehow grow at a fast pace, and costs would become reduced over time (Moore's Law), then there should be no problem at all as people will be able to afford storage costs in the future.

In the meantime, that's not happening, and BCH would eventually become centralized because of the high storage costs and bandwidth it will require once blocks reach the 32mb limit. Despite this, Bitcoin Cash is ready to scale to a large user base, while maintaining low costs and fast transaction speeds.

In my case, I would prefer Bitcoin over Bitcoin Cash, due to its decentralization and unparalleled security. Even if Bitcoin is slow and expensive right now, it may not be in the future once it successfully adopts the Lightning Network. Once this happens, then it'll be a fierce battle between Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash to determine which is capable of scaling to many people while maintaining decentralization (which is the most important factor to consider IMO).

Nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to invest into BCH too, as it could give you a lot of profit if it skyrockets in price within the future. Just my opinion :)