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Writing or Laughing at so called "nocoiners" (socialists, lawyers MBA economists) in new york times square

http://cyberblock.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/DU0OtDgOIEii_JlRbuePHv207hQ-qFB6W7g9Q8kie1U.jpg

will not just get the bitcoin even more unpopular as it will be seen by many as arrogant.

it will create more and more cryptocurrencies, cryptocurrency indexes and so on.

it will be more and more be question why the energywasting bitcoinsect itself had legitimacy to out of audacity take the first move of creating something and calling it decentral money,

bitcoin will sooner or later dissappear in the conflict that many of its arrogant owners are sparking.

the main issue is that bitcoins initial support came much less from its appeareance but much more from the unsatisfaction with the national banking cartels, as they were causing poverty.

bitcoin marketing moved from

we are a good solution against the established unefficient banking cartel

towards:

Bitcoin is King of all Coins.

just look what vitalik said:

https://i.imgur.com/XPuXNAP.png

reagards

It's a huge exaggeration that it will somehow kill Bitcoin or cause any significant damage to its reputation, but I agree that it's a negative tendency and people should avoid it. It's okay to call out ignorant Bitcoin critics who use false arguments, but "nocoiner" is a poor term, since it's so easily misunderstood as shaming for not owning Bitcoin. Maybe it's better to call them "anti-coiners" or come up with some other name for them, to stress out that they don't understand Bitcoin and hate it for some wrong reasons.

It's Economists, MBA Economists. What you wrote literally means Master's of Business Administration business administrators.


How can Nocoiner signs make bitcoin unpopular AND create more cryptocurrenices? Those two things oppose each other.

Majority of people already don't care about bitcoin, so people making flyers about it doesn't make change the prevailing winds. Let people talk shit. Let them do what they do. Let them be the people who in 20+ years say "at the time, people thought it was crazy...turned out to be an incredibly wise investment."

there are always idiots around. idiots who make dumb advertisements like that and idiots who think these things can kill bitcoin.

someone who doesn't have the brain to understand the difference between bitcoin and the person making that sign should really stay away from bitcoin and if you say they will then that much better.

a lot of shitcoins are being  created already, they are not waiting for a sign to start doing so. they are doing it to make money by pump and dumping that shitcoin.

another dumb statement which was argued to death and yet it is repeated as the new FUD

because it is a decentralized currency. if you don't like it nobody is forcing you to use it. you know where the door is.

there is no conflict, only idiots arguing with each other while bitcoin is doing what it has always been doing and growing more and a being adopted more and becoming stronger every day.
and shitcoins are the ones that are disappearing....

Americans like coining new words and phrases and want to be the first to be 'politically correct' lol. I lived in NY for a few years so this is just typical NY speak. I wouldn't give it much notice but the fact that some peeps might actually think about getting Bitcoin or other altcoins by seeing that could actually spark a positive wave of new buyers.  ;D ;D. Maybe some Wall ST kids might spend their bonuses on some Bit.  ;D ;D

I think this is nothing but a negative publicity. But as per usual, negative publicity is still publicity. Putting up a nocoiner will only expose bitcoin to people who doesnt even know it exist. So let them put it up and then let's enjoy profits later. I don't think it won't give any negative effects on bitcoin, instead it will spread it.

I really don't get what the intention was with this advertisement. It's just implies that the advertisers are mocking the people who doesn't have bitcoin. They don't want to use it/invest in it, so? Let them be. There's enough hate in this world like what the hell. It just gives us a bad rap. Now people are going to think that crypto investors are a bunch of crybabies.

hate?
it is not insulting people. in fact the term is vague at best. this term did not even exist 7 months ago! as a matter of fact the term "nocoiner" was invented recently (about 6 months ago LOL) and if anything this picture is just advertising this newly created word.

what does it mean? someone who doesn't have bitcoin. who will be offended by this? :D

It doesn't look good ,but it's just advertisement, I think Bitcoin will be more popular if someone advertise it like that, but it will create negative label on Bitcoin, and to be honest I don't understand the purpose of the ads, I think it's the attempt to weaken Bitcoin, but this is a free world, I don't care what people write, as long as we used crypto with good intentions then one day people will change their mind about bitcoin

I definitely think that no one would be offended or insulted by this, but it seems like that that was the intention of the advertiser(unless they say so otherwise); to sort of insult the people in to them actually buying bitcoin. It's an attempt at best, as I definitely couldn't think of a reason to make such an advertisement. Also knowing that you'd actually have to spend good amounts of money to get an advertisement at that location. Juuuuuust my opinion.

The stupidest part of the sign is that bitcoin isn't meant to be held. Its simply meant to be used as a digital financial instrument to make money liquid. Cash in, cash out. Just imagine how much money people had lost if they bought in on Jan 1st and held till now.

It was never meant to be an investment, and that's not a matter of opinion. The people who made these signs just prove how there is absolutely no correlation between wealth and intelligence.

The other day I was served an advertisement from Google that was something like: missing on the Crypto boom? Start not and get rich!
Not to mention that this was an advertisement from an exchange i honestly can't belive that such things exist as they are trying to gain customers by saying you will get rich quick, this sound like a scam. Plus all the ads out there from various ico people can get a feeling that this is all to milk his money and from the first agenda we are moving to scamming people and presenting this as a shady thing.

Controversy is also good advertising and when people see signs like that, then they might think.." Damn, I never knew Bitcoin was that popular, maybe I must buy some " - The keeping up with the Joneses reaction kicks in and the next thing you know, everyone is buying Bitcoin again.

Some people might even have thought that Bitcoin was a fad and when they see this, they will say "Oh, Bitcoin is still a thing, let's buy some"

Do not underestimate the power of controversial advertising. You have to stand out to make a statement under all the noise that are out there.

I agree that this most likely is the intention for the ad. To actually make people think that they're missing out on something so they buy/invest in it. But they could've chosen a different approach in my opinion, rather than trying to be mock-ish, for a lack of a better word.

corrected, and added why.

oh and look what vitalik buterin tweeted:

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin

he sees it the same i do.

bitcoinsect is killing their bitcoin with their arrogance.

regards

The literal definition of "nocoiner" isn't someone who doesn’t own Bitcoin, but one who doesn’t own, but also have a great sense of resentment towards Bitcoin, a few economists and people like Warren Buffett and Bill Gates somewhat does fit the bill. Yeah, if the intention is to mock the ones who don't own any coins, rather than making them curious, the ad does seem to lean more towards the us vs them mentality, IMO.


And if it's to a take a dig at the literal nocoiners, then it simply comes down to feeding the trolls/skeptics. Yeah, different approach, rather than using the term "nocoiner", something meaningful, along the lines of why Bitcoin, not someone who has no Bitcoin would have been a better utilization of the ad space.

I definitely agree with Vitalik. Bitcoin already has a bad rap due to the "bitcoin is only being used by drug users and criminals" FUD. These companies should be advertising in a good manner. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it though, they could advertise however they want.

Vitalik's Tweet:
https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1002755040354787328

I wonder how this will get Bitcoin killed. Things like these even end up making bitcoin popular. People who fail to make income from bitcoins end up attacking bitcoins and say bad and negative things about it.

of course they will,

rememeber all popularity bitcoin has is because people are tired of the mistakes and unperfection of the banking cartels, plus a slight part because of the tech itself,

but mainly the support comes from unsupport from the banks, becausae many people and companies live in constant unsecurity from the banking cartels

besides you have this bitcoin is a ramcoin (https://www.cryptoproductivity.com/single-post/2018/04/10/bitcoin-just-temporary-ram-coin) effect, with the other icos and economy increasingly will fight bitcoins popularity and influence.

Saying that bitcoin will get "killed" because of this bad advertisement is over exaggerating. This won't kill bitcoin. It's just really really bad publicity in my opinion(yes, I understand. Publicity is publicity). But they could've probably done the advertisement better.

bitcoin popularity comes from the unpopularity and tiredness of the people with the banking cartel, not from beeing bitcoin.

bitcoin investors unfortunately think and are forced to think the later and so they are marketing the later thinking bitcoin is valuable because its bitcoin

but they are wrong and they will fail

This will not affect bitcoins (im)popularity, you are bitcoiner or not. It will not offend people who don't have bitcoins. They simply do not care about cryptocurrencies and just wonder what nocoiner means. And it will not increase bitcoins popularity either.

Yes, chances are no one(or a very small amount of people) will actually be offended by this advertisement. But my point is that it still gives them the impression that people who hold and invest in bitcoin are sort of arrogant crybabies.

It may or may not result in people getting offended, but that is immaterial. If a few people are drawn to trying out Bitcoin, either due to curiosity or due to fear of missing out, then its purpose is served. There is no such thing as bad publicity.

well vitalik took it as an unpolite slur, and used his social capital to oppose it.

i think we can say that this commercial has backfired

I agree that bad publicity is still publicity, but I kinda disagree with "there is no such thing as bad publicity". I definitely would not prefer bad publicity in a FUD level, on articles like "bitcoin has been hacked" or something along those lines. Sure it still helps people know about bitcoin's existence, but those kind of publicity would most probably push them away from actually reading about bitcoin and giving it a chance.

Well, considering the growth of Bitcoin user base in last few years and the momentum of it. I don't think we need to give **** to these people. I am not against constructive criticism but such campaign is not a wise example of it. These people should come on board and help us to make Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies better instead of wasting time and money in this way.

has it really grown?

when the alternatives get better and better?

regards

You're missing the entire point of bitcoin. It's not designed to be a moneymaking opportunity. Its designed to be a digital financial instrument to increase the fluidity of money and make it easy to transfer from point to point around the globe.

This slogan is a pathetic, uninformed plea to get the general public to buy into bitcoin, probably coordinated at the behest of huge bagholders who bought in earlier in the year, or late last year.

Bitcoin is not meant to be an investment. That's not a matter of opinion.

I think some peoples are occurring this negative publicity. I don’t think it will affect bitcoin. So don’t afraid you can invest on bitcoin.

I don't think bitcoin can get killed so easily. Everyday the popularity of bitcoin is rising and people are adopting bitcoin gradually. It has provided so much conveniency to people.

Nocoiner ad is just an extension of the Bitcoiners that accept Bitcoins like a false religious fanatic and not as it truly is just a technology product.

Reason and logic is not their strong suit as they are unable to understand the obstacles that faces their tech product.

Bitcoin's
1.  Energy Waste is not sustainable.
2.  Has become centralized and therefore vulnerable to government control
3.  Utility usage can be manipulated by a vulnerable fee system  
4.  If Bitcoin Network Costs exceed the Production Cost & Transaction Fees, then the network can't survive for long.

* Many of the religious zealots think the warehouses full of asics make bitcoin more secure, but since thinking is not their strong suit ,
 they fail to realize that much centralization now means that Governments can decide who is & who is not allowed to confirm bitcoin transactions. *

*So any Bitcoin Miner that includes a transaction from a Government blacklisted address, will automatically get their power turned off.*  :P

Mention the following to a bitcoin religious fanatic , and all you get back , that is fud , or you don't understand bitcoin, or Bitcoin is King.

Bitcoin is a tech product , nothing more , nothing less and as such is vulnerable to real world situations that can arise.

They’re just making a fool of themselves. Or maybe they just want to earn from royalty fees from that word. Either way, it’s not gonna kill bitcoin. Good or bad, it’s still publicity.

It has nothing to do with making bitcoin unpopular.People who were crazy towards bitcoin would just turn a deaf ear to such things and the bitcoin rally would still continue.

Bitcoin is one of the best cryptocurrencies available in the market. It is the 1st cryptocurrency invented and still ranks 1st among all other cryptos in the market. Though the prices are dropping nowadays, but soon the market is going to be stable again.

basically I don’t believe this because after shatoshi a few number of people developed this system and this is fully false news I guess because there is no controlled in bitcoins few developer may works for developments but no one can monitor this huge system because its blockchain system of btc.

I do not think it will not give any negative impact on bitcoin, instead it will spread it.
This will not kill bitcoin. It really is really bad publicity in my opinion

Based on this in here no one is going to force you to invest money in crypto market where as many people adapt this system for their better future and profit based on this types of comments may harm to the users of crypto currency also btc is already developed no need to compare or bulling anything.

A lot of negative news about Bitcoin
We need reason to face these news, not to be influenced by them, and insist on our own beliefs.
This will allow others to change Bitcoin.

I think this is a bad poster, LOL. Probably the real purpose of advertisers is to tell people not to buy bitcoin or anti bitcoin but it will be hard for the layman to understand it, because the diposter is written "nocoiner", meaning without coins, I think it will only make the layman curious about bitcoin and tend to be interested in buying it.

Definitely, but the investment aspect is an inevitable side effect of Bitcoin's success in terms of adoption. The whole world is literally trying to obtain as many Bitcoins as possible, while the availability of Bitcoins is decreasing due to its finite supply. If you also add that the adoption will keep increasing, the next batch of adopters will enter at higher levels than the previous batch of adopters, and this cycle will repeat itself in the forthcoming years.

Don't forget that Bitcoin growing larger means nothing more than the regular economy experiencing an outflow of capital due to trust issues and whatnot. I am fairly sure that there will even be a time where people don't want to sell their coins for fiat anymore, unless a crazy premium is paid to motivate them. Eventually when Bitcoin becomes a developed asset in every way, stability will make sure that Bitcoin's currency aspect will get the use it deserves to have.

there is sadly no getting away from it no coiners (if they have never owned cc and had at any point a few hundred bucks spare to invest after essentials) are almost complete losers for missing out on the best opportunity in the last 20 years or perhaps of their lifetime. 

Although this is nothing to laugh at at all.

However they can remedy this still since we are not yet seeing such adoption that rags to riches is no longer possible over night.

Simply find the best projects that are still way undervalue - buy and hold.

Bitcoin will not be killed. TPTB want bitcoin now.

What I can see this is a rumor which is making a negative publicity to the crypto world. As cryptocurrency is a free world to everyone, we should use it with a good & honest intention.

Not everyone who has not bitcoin are uncool losers. Losers are those people who is trying to be on trend doing this and that just to be in and to look cool. There are people who are not smart but are wise enough to know that they shouldn't invlove themselves to the things that they don't fully understand.

i am running currently a thread with 6 identified columns that i think are vital for bitcoins survival.

Is the world getting overly sensitive?   I highly doubt Bitcoin will be destroyed because someone got called a nocoiner.  Are you guys even serious with this pesh?

the world is switching from supporting bitcoin (out of co-opposition agains the banking cartels)

to opposing it, (competition for consumption capacities)

You just cited a classic example of a very innefective ad campaign. Nobody in the crowd can ever get the message of the campaign since it is too cryptic to say the least too nerdy for the snowflakes.

I would say that they would be the losers.They are those guys who are very much frustrated on hearing the words bitcoiner or crypto holders.But we should note that nocoiner word would be forgotten but not crypto coiners.