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So, the latest buzzword in Bitcoin is manipulation. Has anyone worked out how much money and bitcoins is needed to trigger

a change in the buy and sell behaviour of traders on exchanges? I know the Silkroad Auction did not make a significant impact

on the price and the same goes for the odd coins that were sold from the MtGox hoard. How many coins can individuals dump

on exchanges to push the price down like this? How long can they sustain such an action to sabotage the price? These are

questions that are very relative at the moment.  ::)

If the SEC says that the high price increase of last year was manipulation, then they must bring the proof. Let's do our own

informal assessment of the situation and determine what would be needed to cause that kind of a spike in the price.  ;)

I think maybe it could be up to $ 1 million to be able to affect the price in the market

I think manipulating bitcoin price is not easy anymore but with couple of hundred grands you can manipulate altcoin prices.

It's more difficult now because bitcoin has a large market cap, but for lower MC altcoins it would be very easy. Mt Gox isn't just about them dumping their coins, it's about panic sellers learning about gox moving their coins that causes the jitters

I think you need billions. But only a huge company can do that. Those who has the most Bitcoin could ever manipulate the market and that scares me a lot.

Hard to give a exact number on it but I remembered that in a few occasions if someone or some group sold over or around 10,000 BTC (which is worth 67,685,650.00$ now) in one exchange in just less than an hour it could affect the price tremendously lets say about 7-10% in day change, the influence of that quantity of Bitcoin being sold will not only influence the traders in that exchange to sell their cryptocurrencies but will also influence other cryptocurrency exchanges as traders tend to use more than one exchange. Not to mention that other traders also observe other exchanges when it comes to their price action especially to the cryptocurrencies they are watching.

Interesting topic to discuss because this may help the people to understand about the manipulation is real or it is just a panic word doing all the damages.But I don't know how much amount of bitcoin needed to manipulate the prices but it maybe be around 1% of total supply I think.

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If we just for example purposes assume that Bitfinex heavily contributed to the peak of last year, they practically only needed a few hundred million in Tether to do so. They can just use the same Bitcoins and Tethers to repeat the purchase of thousands of coins without problems. In the same way other exchanges can apply this method of artificially inflating the market. Bitfinex isn't stupid enough to provide buy support with non backed Tethers when it comes to eating through genuine dumps from large players. If these large players would ever cash out and they can't, the end of Tether is only a matter of time. The likely scenario would be that Bitfinex allowed genuine dumps to happen, where they then used their own coins and Tethers to buy the market up again.

Its not to totally ignore the conclusion made by SEC because the facts that surrounds it even suggested such not in totality though because at that time, a lot of people were also skeptical on the forum too with discussions surrounding the sustainability of such increase and how it would be better for the increase to be systematic rather than sporadic that was witnessed at the time. I personally preferred the former than the latter.

On the amount of money that would be needed, I think its not only the amount of bitcoin but rather the surrounding and timing effects. For example, if SEC made a pronouncement on the negative, a dumping of 100bitcoins is enough to cause damage as other people will have to fall in line not relying on the 100 bitcoin, but the pronouncement by SEC which does not even have any effect in the first place.

To trigger the price you need to a big stock of bitcoin or you one of the riches man in the world and you invest your whole stock to bitcoin for sure bitcoin will be little manipulated.

I'd say 2k + btc is enough to influence the markets.  You don't even have to actually sell your btc, al ot of these whales just place fake orders to scare people and lower the price.

I’m thinking the same actually and confused if this manipulation issue are can be done by single individual person or mostly by one company owner behind this huge exchanges. We can assume that this is possible, your question is valid of who or on what quantity of money needed to sway the market movement. I don’t want speculate numbers as it won’t be necessary as it won’t be have enough proof.

In a current situation of BTC, I don't believed anymore in manipulation. The required money to shake a market is really huge with the big market capitalization bitcoin has now. Even whales will act, they can't literally manipulate the bitcoin market.

But because whales are whales, they can shake the market at start then panic sellers follow. They have the ability to start some panic so in other words, it will be like manipulating price but with help of panic sellers.

Oh, I believe that if only for your own money, you will not be able to influence the price of bitcoin, bitcoin with huge value and capitalization as well as volume of liquidity is the biggest, because So you can not control the bitcoin price. You can only influence the price of altcoin, the coin has a low trading volume, this is easy for you if you have 100 BTC.

I'd always believed  that the market has been manipulated but you made me shook my head after reading your point about this topic.

$1 billion isn't enough and even $10 Billion will only give small impact to the price of bitcoin which can move for about +$100 to it's price. (IMO)

Can't say on how much money is needed to make the price move and start manipulating it. I'd say if there is, then it can be a big group that has more $50 billion.

Not less than 2000 to be honest, because it would be too little if you have less than that amount.. so i think that it will be enough for having some influence

Manipulation or not but reaching out those prices is somehow questionable because certain things reaching out that range on a shorter timeframe cant be achieved out by traditional assets that why people who are engage into non so volatile things will have those jurisdiction.


As of writing BTC had overall marketcap on those value below.

$114,948,065,347

How would 1M usd would affect the price? We are talking billions here. BILLIONS!

I  do not have any idea about it,and i that that it is also not so easy to estimate the amount of money or bitcoin to influence the whole market, but to me i think that it will really require a very good amount of money, because there are so many big whales are present who will not let you to influence the market so easily.

It depends if you want to do short term influence or long term influence. Short term I would say even 100-200k could do the trick right now because of the low volume and low price. But if you want to affect things long term (where the big boys play) you would need somewhere around 10-20M. Take away a couple zeros if you are able to use margin websites.

Come one man. Reaching a price of $19K with a investment of $2000? I don't think it will be that much of a ripple if the money being invested is that low. If we are talking about this big of a price, the stone thrown is obviously a big one, we might be talking about a hundred million or higher it might be a billion we do not know but all we know is that it is a large sum of money and I think that certain person earned a good profit out of it since the price dumped quickly.

Agree with you here. Many whales don't actually intend to sell so many of their own btc today I believe. They're simply placing these sell orders as a form of manipulation. And sometimes maybe sell a fraction of it just to speed things up. But the sad reality is that the masses fall for this trick every single time. And when prices dip to a good level, the whales come in and buy them again. It's an ongoing cycle from what I know since last year

I'm pretty sure that they need  B20 - B30 to surely affect the price. Based on my observation on coinmarketcap, whenever the prices make a sudden change, I always see either 20-30 billions injected or removed from it.

to influence the price is to create a trend, even a trader who have moved a huge amount will not even tap the price, what is more dangerous is if others will follow, trending matters, create a panic selling trade will surely make the price go deeper, we can take diamonds as an example of how powerful creating trends are, it was originally has no value just like an ordinary stone, but since the manufacturer saw a potential in that stone, they marketed diamonds as an accessories for the royalties. and now look at its price. trending matters.

There are way too many factors to accurately estimate such a figure. It has to be noted that even a small slump can cause panic traders to sell, so it might not even take that much to begin with for as long as enough people go with the flow. Another factor is the actual amount of circulating coins; lots of them are lost forever, and lots of them are in cold storages, so we have no idea how much Bitcoins are actually on the market, making market cap even less reliable of a metric. Manipulators won't come out in the open either, so we won't get to hear their side of the story.

IMO the best place to begin is with the Mt. Gox trustee. People found out that he unloaded $400 million worth of Bitcoins, and they were so quick to say (some even had numbers IIRC) that that sale caused the price slide then. It turned out he had nothing to do with it, but it may be reasonable to believe that such an amount could drop Bitcoin's price by a couple of thousands by itself.

Still, I'd say most of the manipulation going on at the moment has more to do with questionable buy and sell orders rather than a whale or two dropping or gobbling up an absurd amount of coins.

Lol! What is $ 1 million? For you it is a lot but any exchange sells several thousand bitcoins every day. In order to manipulate the price of bitcoin you need to invest a lot of money in fake news in the media. Then you need to capture the dominance of all the most popular cryptocurrency exchanges. I think this amount is several billion dollars.

Your guess makes the best sense, because I have made a similar observation. The thing is such manipulation will not go

unnoticed, so they will gradually dump these coins on multiple exchanges over a longer period. You do not want to create a

Sell or Buy Wall that draws too much attention, when you dump all at once. The dump must also be just enough to trigger a

panic wave amongst investors.  ::)  I think this is also the current strategy with the prolonged decline in the price. {I see a

"cook a frog" scenario here}  >:(

If I had $ 1 billion, I would be able to pump in bitcoins and help the bitcoin increase to $ 15,000. But if I have $ 1 billion I just need to send a bank and not have to work for the rest of my life ;D

I heard there is a large whale living in China. He is holding over 90,000 BTC in his wallet. If he hates bitcoin and sells bitcoin at a low price, then I think the crypto market will collapse

You can manipulate altcoin prices in the top 200-1000. But you can not use a few hundred dollars to altcoin price in the top 100. Because if you want to manipulate altcoin, then you must have over $ 100,000

$ 1 million is still a very small number that can manipulate bitcoin prices. I think you will need 30 times the amount of $ 1 million. Only whales can manipulate bitcoin prices

I do not know how much money can control the price of bitcoin and the crypto market. I have seen some whales pump in price in recent days. 3 million USD will It is probably the most reasonable number

I think to be able to manipulate / affect the bitcoin price, now is quite difficult. because bitcoin has a large market capitalization. this must have a lot of money. the best way to influence bitcoin prices is to make negative news about bitcoin.

it's hard to find the exact answers regarding this question because crypto market from all of bitcoin users in this world were very huge currently and possibly to increase for each day and for those who want to influence the price then it took billions dollar to do so

I guess selling 200 btc at once in a day could affect the price of the coin. That's roughly around $1.4m. It's a lot of money that only whales can afford. If a bunch of whale friends will come up into a consensus of manipulating the market then it is very possible that they can do pump and dump but very risky as well for they can lose their money in the process.

They have got some plans, definitely and they are moving accordingly. These whales are so strong that they can afford big losses as well to manipulate bitcoin and their market according to their own wishes and desires. So just forget about their loss. But yes as you have said, this is right. Big amount of bitcoin is removed or injected whenever prices get a sharp downfall or sheer.

i think with 1 000 BTC you could start to manipulate somehow the market, but i don't think it is inaff, you need serious cash for such things.

If there is manipulation in bitcoin price last year, i think peoples like us, a small investor can not do that. From what i thinking, its must be a financial firm with large funds can manipulate market.

There are some rumours doing the rounds that Wall Street investors are involved in the manipulation of the Bitcoin price,

because it has a impact on their positions on Bitcoin Futures investments. The SEC is also busy with an investigation on the

manipulation of Bitcoin prices.  ??? The drop in the price after this announcement was made, was a dead giveaway that it

was being done.  >:(  The scale of this is unknown, but I think it must be huge, if people are withdrawing cash and bitcoins

from exchanges. If these people stopped, because they might fear prosecution, then we are going to be in for a boring ride

in the future.  ::)

If you want to do that, you need a lot of money, maybe $1milion? Really, really big you need to influence the price, although in a small percentage.

If you want to influence the price or to change the either it will be dumping or pumping then it will be depending on the coin, the prices of bitcoins today is dumping because there are a lot of people who prefer to sell their coins on the market more than investing.

1 million is chump change for these kinds of moves in my head. I believe you need at least 10 million, if not 100 million with a few other individuals. Then you can really move the needle, whereas 1 million may only cause a small intraday swing.

I would say, thousands of Bitcoin, hundreds of thousand to be able to manipulate the price of Bitcoin but my biggest concern is why the hell they should pay more to be able to manipulate the price? Does they get something in return while doing this? I think maybe because they wouldn't do it if they won't get any in return. And just like the news that's coming, did JP Morgan really manipulate the price of cryptocurrency?

Then it would really need to be a huge amount of funds. Because the manipulator needs to pump from the major exchange so as to make it reflect at at all markets. Anyways a group of people can do that as well. I also red an article that said USDT was used to manipulate the price in last year. Don't know how true that is though!

I don't know JP Morgan really manipulate the price of cryptocurrency .If they manipulate the price of bitcoin,they can make the new people panic and make them to sell at low price.And also they will get the bitcoin from the people who need money at the price crisis time.They are to force to buy at low price.

Well I think you really don’t need to work for this pumping or dumping thing. Reason is simple, these two things are quite helpful for you. When it comes to make some money, get some little money and buy bitcoin. And when prices start moving up, don’t just be panic and wait for the long lasting period of prices where high profits can be obtained. So just sell them and make handsome outcome.

A single person by himself can't move the price of a currency, no matter how much effort he is making. If many people are investing and trust the same currency, then with the help of all the people the price of a currency can move up or down. A currency must have its own properties and benefits so that people feel comfortable while using it, only then the currency can be successful.

Certainly whales can control and manipulate the market, because they can both buy and sell and they influence the market by 50%, the rest belongs to the miners.

No one can give you a precise answer as things get heavily complicated when you start to explore them in depth. There are many factors at play here which you simply can't consider in their entirety and interrelations. For example, when the price rises, there may be a tipping point somewhere on the price scale when any amount of coins sent into the orderbook will tip the scales in the downward direction, and then an avalanche of selling panic-orders will follow. And it is equally true when the price bottoms as even the smallest amount of new money can turn the trend in the opposite direction.

It is the same with the market sentiment, on a horizontal scale, so to speak. If it is strong and powerful (whatever direction), it would take plenty of money to turn in backwards. On the other hand, if there is uncertainty in the market and the trend is not established, small orders can easily change the direction where the price goes. As you can see, there cannot possibly be a simple and comprehensive answer to your question.

Its hard to say the exact amount needed to influence the market but I think whales can really do that. Actually, you can influence the market not just because of you money but also because of you career, job, or if you’re a well know person by just telling some word about cryptocurrency. This market can easily be influence, by money but mostly by the news.

to start or expect a price to go down or up, and only with money, I think you're wrong, the effect of this manipulation is greater than expected. The effects are given individually especially if they are easy to panic, it can make the market turn from what we expect the price

Yes we are talking billions, but what's really involved? What do you think a marketcap of billions really means?

I think that the price of bitcoin does not raise speculatively, it grows only due to demand ! but oldoini I think to raise will not be difficult !

it is not only about money to shake bitcoin price in market.we need to able manage negative news from any source in order to make investor and holder panic.both of them could not separate if we want to have influence to price.

it is not only about money to shake bitcoin price in market.we need to able manage negative news from any source in order to make investor and holder panic.both of them could not separate if we want to have influence to price.
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Exactly! We should engaged and use bitcoin so that we can spread its name that bitcoin is not only using for investment but there are lots of ways where in we can use it, even if we have little amount of bitcoin if the number of demands is high then for sure that bitcoin will really hit the moon.

It is just a number. As such it is mostly meaningless, though it can be useful when comparing the market cap of bitcoin with that of other coins. Obviously, there are no hundreds of billions invested in bitcoin or any other coin, which is what some people think market cap shows. Some people bought bitcoin when it cost literally cents, some people didn't buy it at all. And if we count only what was actually invested minus disinvested later at whatever price, the number should be much smaller. Maybe, on the order of a few billion dollars all in all.

I agree, the true market cap is surely nowhere near as high. There's may not be as much money in Bitcoin/Crypto as people think there is. I suspect that even daily volume is just as blurry.

I admit that my money is not enough to influence the price, but I will just keep on hodling as much as possible and as much as I can so I can contribute with the value even in a little way I can.

In my opinion, it must have been more demands on the market to influence the price. So, let us encourage people to adopt or involve in bitcoin for us to build market demand.

If we are talking about minor exchanges for sure 1000+btc and something like 100k+USD and u can easily manipulate the price on minor markets.
Id you wanna be huge whale marketmaker so maybe 20k+ bitcoins and 2-4M USD will be fine to start  :P

if asked how much, I can only answer as much as possible, but if the current situation can attract new investors even if they invest in small capital, but the number of investors may be a lot of influence on price increases, besides that we must continue to provide support and motivation for the old bitcoin holders are not tempted to sell bitcoin at least in the near future, and also actually if it is possible bitcoin attracts large companies or millionaires to join here, maybe it's good we continue to convey positive information about bitcoin and suppress the existence of FUD even though this it has reduced its influence but at least this is one of the efforts we can do to pump prices back up again

You need an amount of bitcoin that worth billions for a guaranteed change in the price movement. These can't be done by only one man or whale and it needs to be an organized group. They might have done it before but regulations are strict now so that is why we rarely see a large fluctuation today.

they can work together to achieve common goals. with action they are working on, it will certainly affect the psychology of other traders. and finally have a broad impact, so they succeed

This question is really hard to answer, we can not exactly know how much we should invest in it, if anyone knows it will no longer be called the bitcoin market anymore.

manipulating the price of bitcoin, it might only take around 15 BTC plus the luck factor. 15 BTC is used to pay mass media around the world to post things about bitcoin, and even though it is a hoax. The main purpose of this false news dissemination is, to create an atmosphere of panic throughout the community, whether it is panic sell which will cause prices to fall, or panic buy which causes prices to rise. If this fails, then the price will not change, because manipulating the price of Bitcoin is not as easy as manipulating altcoin prices that have a small daily trading volume

It depends on which coin we talk about. To influence Bitcoin's price by your own, you would need a lot of them for sure, which I think not many Bitcoin investor has. And also, as I heard, big whales trade in OTC markets, which does not influence Bitcoin's price.

   How much money and Bitcoins do you need to influence the price? A Huge some of investment for one single transaction would influence the trading price market put in by investors on specific coin as posted on the market. Market investment by the consumer's into Crypto Currency Market would change the market structure dependent on the Volume of investment made. To the price as to much still it is dependent on the investors decision if he has the Million whom willing to lost for a single transaction.?

It should not even be about minor exchanges, it basically just has to do more with the volume of the market in any of those exchanges. Manipulating is actually not an easy task as you will really need to be reading some emotions on the charts, and this is how manipulators tend to do their thing.

Look for the perfect moment, instigate bullish momentum, get people to participate, and then before you know it, you will see the volume increasing the more until you get to a point where you are able to offload. But at the same time, you will also really need to be careful which market you are actually trying to manipulate, so as a whale, you do not eventually get burned.

Market is to much down and i don't think it come back with the invest of $1000 or $2000. We need more investor if we want to make bitcoin more unstable. I think only big companies can now do something.

I don't think we need any kind of invest to bring back the last price of bitcoins. We should stop listening the false news about bitcoins and the fomo which government makes. I believe panic selling are the only fault which makes bitcoin fall down.

Which is very important for what coin you trade in the market. While this figure can be incredibly high in Btc trading, you can also determine the price in the market with very small numbers in a newly entered coin.

That is not what this is about. Sure, more demand will most definitely affect the movement of the price upward, but in this case, the OP is referring to manipulations and how much you will really need to be able to achieve that, assuming you are a whale. You will need a lot actually, but how much you will need, will depend on how big the market you are manipulating is.

Most times, low volume coins are always easier to manipulate than big volume coins, so in that case, the volume of the market you are trying to manipulate will somehow be directly proportional to the volume of your own pocket.

A investment with millions can effect the market and bring back the real price which was in December.Better to invite more people to invest with bitcoin to make it influence.

We have to spared bitcoin everywhere so people come back and invest with bitcoins make the supply decrease and increase the demand. More the demand, better it is for the bitcoins.

individual investors could influence to bitcoin price in market.it would need huge money to did it and only big speculators that have several consortium member able to make price move up and down.

Yes that is very right, I think we need to remain positive and should spread good news about the project, I do not think that now it is so easy to influence the bitcoin price, because now the bitcoin investors area increasing from time to time.

I think they are quite different stuff. If you have money (enough money) than you do not need influence and if you have enough influence over people than you do not need money. Now money is "easier" part, not that its easier to have that much money but it is easier for me to explain honestly.

If you have couple hundred million dollars that you can spend on bitcoin that is enough to actually put stuff over the ressistance or support, whenever bitcoin is close to one of them you can spend some money to throw it to the other side and it will keep moving that side quickly.

Influence on the other hand is a difficult one. Crypto currency world is a very decentralized world, we are so decentralized that we can't really trust on anyone and there are really very few people that could change the crypto world. Maybe if satoshi comesback and says something but we may not even believe that, maybe vitalik could say something that would drop ethereum but even that could be temporary.

I think it depends to a investors if he want to put a big or small amount of his money to influence the current markets value and I think having your own investments to offer in bitcoin is enough to support and make his value increase no matter what happened.

any amount of money coming to market could make bitcoin price move,although maybe just give small influence.this is not important for us.better to think how to make bitcoin price recovered again.

This data shock me for that big amount of money needed to influence the bitcoin price. If it's correct then it shows that no single person could manipulate the bitcoin price with the use of his own money. It should be a group of whales that can influence and those bad news that will panic the investors to sell their bitcoin.

To manipulate and influence the price of bitcoin you need a huge amount of money hundred million i think and also a influence people in crypto like jp morgan etc, but for sure bitcoin will recover and will recover if someone manipulate it.

To be able to influence the market prices, like Whales do, you need very big share of the market. As long as you do not have enough capital invested, you would not have the ability to bring changes in the market by making shifts in the funds you have.

The people who do so owns as high as but not limited to a range of Bitcoins from 1000 to 30,000. This is no doubt very big amount of coins and one can change the face of the game by using the power.

You must have 50% of the total market cap to really be able to pump or dump,
but not necessarily in that way your money will come back, because the world of cryptocurrency is full of risks that are not expected to diga
or even you can use 1000 USD to pay for some of the top media in releasing false news, that is the most effective way

Only by sell 2500 btc is enough to make big fall in bitcoin market. Many people only have few bitcoin in their wallet and few people who hoarding a lot of bitcoin now. This gap makes the market is playable by those whale. Bitcoin price move too fast last year and give very big chance for those whale to maximize their profit bu sell their bitcoin gradually, until now.

this is feared if they continue to sell it gradually, as if the downward trend will continue to occur gradually as well. it means that it is still long enough to wait for the bullrun to occur, maybe the government is one key to saving it

  Maybe not necessary or good idea to put billions from your wallet to manipulate the price of bitcoin, invest a little then hold it a year if thousand people do this im sure it will be big impact on  bitcoin price we need unity..

It actually depends on what you are influencing really. In most cases, if you are trying to influence a market with a small market cap, there is every chance you may not need so much to do that, but you also have to consider the possibilities of actually getting to see market participants when it comes to such coins.

I have seen some coins with trading volume most especially of less than 2BTC, so in such cases, these are markets that can easily be manipulated and moved by any whale after accumulating a lot, but like I said, you will still need to be sure of the market you are trying to move, which in most cases, markets in conditions like this, are usually more of shit coins.

There is no exact amount of money that could help you influence the price of bitcoin. If so, I don't think that $1 million is enough. It must be more.

very much of course, currently the price of bitcoin is falling. and one of them is because one of the companies from the BCH manager sells more than 2k bitcoin at low prices. so the price of bitcoin becomes a dump.

100000 dollars, in that kind of capital we can say that we can manipulate the market. That is why whales are the manipulators of the market because even they want it or not, they pull the market based from they will do. If we can raise that kind of money in this industry, I think we can make profit easily. People are driven by price, therefore if there is a manipulation, they will follow also.

This would be very big I guess, only whales can probably do this in an instant. One good example of dumping that change the value was that of MT. Gox where the value was quite big to really create a change in price and cause a stir among investors that results in further more dumping of coins. I think collectively if people would have choosen the same option of holding or dumping the coin then it is also quite possible but this couldn't happen so easily.

You don't need to guess it, with every market can be manipulated, the bigger share of the market you have the easier for you will be to manipulate with that market. Take the total worth of the market and with 50% of the market in your pocket you can do what ever you want, you can control distribution and supply, you can control and demand if you know how.
When you don't have a big share of the market but you want to manipulate with the market you need to know how to use media's in that purpose and how to rise panic or fever among people, doing one or other you can affect the masses to do what you want and like that to change supply and demand in your advantage.

Since the crypto market is not united, the price manipulation is a comparatively less difficult task but still, it would require a comparatively high amount of money and I believe that the price rally took place in the last quarter of the last year was the result of the involvement of big whales and institutional investors which also caused the panic buying wave at the same time. However, such practices will reduce over the period of time.

I have observed that if there is pump and dump movements in the whole market within a day then its already involved Billions of dollars. So i guess the average minimum figure to move the market of each coin will be atleast $1 Billion. https://www.ccn.com/14-billion-wiped-out-of-crypto-market-as-all-major-assets-plunge-in-value/.

much money and bitcoin.
but, i think the best way to move bitcoin price is, try make offer price above if you want to rise, and low if you want to make it cheap. but, must be many people contribute this one. better if you gather people than you try hard to collect much money than change it

I don't why but I always think that you need to have millions to be able to influence the price. It will never be a small number.

I think that one person will not be able to influence the market in such a way that it grew as last year. This requires the actions of a group of people who have most of the coins in their hands or have enough money to buy a large number of coins. But I believe that the talk about market manipulation is not empty and it is worth to work on the analysis of this situation.

I need bitcoin to raise prices to be able to earn less money. I have invested in bitcoins for quite a while but their prices are falling sharply. Everything was too bad for me. My only joy at this moment is sending bitcoin.

Sadly, i don't think anyone of us here can come up with such amounts to influence the price even a bit. We're probably talking about millions of dollars here. And regular people like us can only do so collectively though a lot of times, we're also driven by the actions of whales.

Since the beginning I don't believed there are  manipulation of bitcoin because we are all participant and involve the trend of bitcoin but until almost no good development of price and it is gradually slowing down now I change my mine that there is something happen with bitcoin price. there is manipulation inside the organization of bitcoin. 

to shake up the price of bitcoin, of course very large money is needed, but there are many ways for  traders to boost the market, one of which is creating spectacular news that can make bitcoin owners panic , by itself bitcoin owners will sell their coins crowded and it will cause a sharp drop in prices , in fact there are many ways that can affect the price of bitcoin in the market , but all of these methods are not easy to do.

To actually influence an expensive coin such as Bitcoin or Ethereum, you'll need tons of money and I'm talking about anything north of ten million US dollars will surely make a dent to the price of crypto currency. But you have to take into consideration the price correction if ever that would happen and how much work it needs.

I think more than money the influence is quite weird as well. For example if the president of IMF said to a president of a country "you should do this" that president actually listens to what she is saying, normally that is a very big and important person giving you some tips. However in crypto world when she said the governments and banks should start considering bitcoin a lot bigger and start printing their own digital currency, we didn't reacted as much as we react to hash wars.

The price didn't even flinch. However during the hash wars the price moved down further than we could imagine in just half an hour. Which tells me influence is a weird concept that changes place to place, I think donald trump/putin/macron or whatever saying something about bitcoin wouldn't make any change in the market whereas if Vitalik says he is leaving ETH it would make a lot of difference.

to be able to manipulate the price at the exchange only with the amount of money you have it seems that it will not be able to because you have to make good news or bad about cryptocurrency so that it can affect several traders and can make the price of the exchange affected by your strategy.

I believe that this is happening with high probabilty.
People have manipulated stock markets from the begining and BTC market is just too easy target for those who have liquidity.

The amount depeneds on the eny given momnet, what is the volume how tick are the buy books.

No one of the guys sitting here, on this forum, has enough money to affect the prices of the cryptocurrencies. Only the richest people in the world that own the largest part of Bitcoins, can do it.

Since its market cap is not so small necessary amount of money must be so much in normal circumstances but we all know that market prices are struggling with bear market over the past months and I guess a ten millions of dollars may change everything. It is a good time in order to seize traders' minds and influence behaviour of traders.

there must be a multimillion-dollar purchase transaction to influence prices, it is impossible that only thousands of dollars can affect prices and make prices rise. This is the reason why the WHALE group is created, is to manipulate prices for their mutual profit...

Regarding Bitcoin, to influence its price you will need tons of money, since the volumes are high. Instead, for many altcoins, you could influence the price with much smaller amounts...

Since this is a trillion dollar market, you need definitely billions to make things happen but I do not suggest it because the market is best influenced by the aggregate income put in the system and not by not individual putting all his money in the system.

I think its need billions dollar to increase bitcoin price. We know bitcoin market cap more than $80billions. I am think only institutional investment firm can make bitcoin rising again

If you want to influence the price of bitcoin then for you have the power to change the price behavior if you hold more than 50% of the holding and bitcoin market is very volatile so making decision for this is very critical and it's holders are not against of it but the new people are using wrong thoughts about it, I want to hold for long term.

You need to have billions. I suppose, the number of people that can really affect the price of Bitcoin is limited with dozens. These individuals are called the whales, the guys, who have the largest part of BTC.

Definitely, it involves a lot of factors which it includes the users and the developer. Also, supply and demand will always be there because this is the major factors that will surely help the value to change which it depends on how the market react.

Thats true, even though large capital is not necessarily able to manipulate and give a big influence on the market,
the whales uses many methods such as FUD, speculation, news and so on to influence the market, not just using big money

I don't know, i mean we'll be looking at millions of dollars to be able yo manipulate a market to the extent of seeing it increase its price. That is, without the fact that crypto currency has this price correction phase. So that means that if you're a whale, you'll need to look at your portfolio 24/7 to get chump change.

I think it can be predicted that the current market capitalization will decline, of course the big decline will make BTC back to dump. but I don't know how many whales move together

easily couple millions to billions and many strings to pull.

In reality you don't need much to move the market. Bitcoin just isn't that big.

It's not massive whales doing the heavy lifting, it's rogue players with no scruples.

The reality is that the exchanges are not regulated and the rogue players are having the time of their lives.

Not being regulated means that things like Wash Trading (banned in the 1930s!) are not illegal. There are exchanges that don't even know what Wash Trading is, let alone monitor or prohibit it. Wash Trading is when you buy and sell your own orders. Doing so manipulates volume, which in turn impacts and manipulates price.

If one can shift the price of Bitcoin with a 1000 coins in a legit buy or sell (just ask any serious trader), then know that you can heavily manipulate the market with a few hundred coins, leveraged and wash traded.