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Title: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 07, 2014, 07:17:59 PM

topic is moved to:

https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=809#p3850


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: fmiboy on February 07, 2014, 07:27:01 PM
what kind of projects are we voting for?

clients/website/services/tools or all projects that are being developed ?


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 07, 2014, 07:41:19 PM

I think there are more candidates + can we see results? especialy from the exchange.

also we have to alocate money for the client developers mistafreeze, minusbalancer and marcus03


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 07, 2014, 08:44:01 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: fmiboy on February 07, 2014, 10:20:48 PM
Please consider Clienxt GUI (https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt) as well!

current working feature list:

overview - current market price in usd, btc. overall account balance in nxt, usd, btc (calculated sum of all unlocked account's balance)
console - output running NRS, context menu (restart, stop server when it fails, replace blocks.nxt and transactions.nxt with backup ones)
unlock - account list, unlock your all accounts, add accounts to watch, remove any account from database (table is saved in lib/accounts.dat)
send - send nxt, send msg, send nxt with attached msg, multisend nxt, multisend msg, multisend nxt with msgs attached. message encryptions are hex (curve is being implemented)
transactions - show transactions for selected accounts, messages are separated
alias - show aliases for selected account, assign/modify alias, simple search
asset exchange - limited APIs, after AE fully made public, this window will be fully functional
votings - not yet implemented.

menu
languages - english, russian
settings - set default values

will update this post if I have forgotten any features that are already implemented.
ps: never had or was considered for a bounty, received about ~3k donations which I am grateful for and will keep working on GUI


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Damelon on February 07, 2014, 10:22:23 PM
Currently with a few outside developers on payment modules for the main open source ecommerce and CMS systems.
First draft has been sent to wesleyh for review, as I want someone from inside to look it over before we go any further.
Hopefully he has will give some insights if he has time.

Still in initial stages.

CMS/commerce list:

prestashop
oscommerce
magento
Drupal
Wordpress
Joomla


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pandaisftw on February 07, 2014, 10:39:36 PM
I am developing, with a friend, a possible solution to gateway trust issues for the asset exchange. Initially, it will be somewhat centralized, but the project will be structured in such a way that when DACs are implemented in NXT it will be a seamless transition to trustless gateways.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Mistafreeze on February 07, 2014, 11:03:55 PM
Does my installer count after I took myself out of the running for the client bounty?

See my signature.

 :P


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 07, 2014, 11:05:34 PM
Does my installer count after I took myself out of the running for the client bounty?

See my signature.

 :P

yes imo


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 07, 2014, 11:09:06 PM
Sounds like a lot of great projects in the works!  

I believe we should start to limit bounties of unclaimed Nxt to finished open source projects.  Website are still eligible, but receive a smaller amount.  That way if the developer wants to take their Nxt and run, the community can take over development.  We could elect someone to review the code and then release funds.  Thoughts?


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: fmiboy on February 07, 2014, 11:18:50 PM
Sounds like a lot of great projects in the works!  

I believe we should start to limit bounties of unclaimed Nxt to finished open source projects.  Website are still eligible, but receive a smaller amount.  That way if the developer wants to take their Nxt and run, the community can take over development.  We could elect someone to review the code and then release funds.  Thoughts?

great idea!

I am optimizing latest feature (auto download/update NRS). currently it is hard coded, but it will change soon:

line 3668: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/src/b3a4dacfb2706d198f067993413ce7e19f14caf9/src/clienxt/ClienxtForm.java?at=master#cl-3668

complete project: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/src/


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: minusbalancer on February 08, 2014, 12:01:03 AM
Sounds like a lot of great projects in the works!  

I believe we should start to limit bounties of unclaimed Nxt to finished open source projects.  Website are still eligible, but receive a smaller amount.  That way if the developer wants to take their Nxt and run, the community can take over development.  We could elect someone to review the code and then release funds.  Thoughts?

I agree with you on that.

Just my 2 cents on current state of the development progress.
We are going the wrong way in terms of the NXT development as a whole.
The simple example is Messaging over AM:
  • We do have like 5(?) different implementations
  • We do not have any documents describing the Messaging system as a whole
  • We do not have any documents describing the protocol used for Messaging over AM
  • We do have the software fragmentation in 1 particular feature (there is no client which supports all of the messages created)
So actually we are shooting our own leg this way.

It is important to have not only the source code open and uptodate but to have easy readable description of the processes.
I think that document should be reviewed by someone, edited, discussed by community in terms of functionality. Should be discussed at least some way by client devs.

Cfb mentioned that there will be some voting system functionality implemented soon. We need to get the details on that no to reinvent the wheel in our clients. Cause we already do have one implementation ...

Also Cfb mentioned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4875741#msg4875741) some time ago about the bips (https://github.com/bitcoin/bips) like process. I think that's really good idea.
Anyway i think it makes sense to start with SOME documentation at least.

What do you think about that?


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: EvilDave on February 08, 2014, 01:20:42 AM
It is vote by objection.

...small cut...

Also, should I even bother with the crypto algo review?  Sounds like Jesse James can help us with that.  On that note I recommend a 250k bounty for Jesse James from unclaimed dev Nxt.  If we still want a crypto review, I can use 10 BTC from my own wallet, but I need a very clear and concise response on what we specifically need from someone reviewing the algo.

Jesse James is DoctorEvil,  of  "It was a bright cold day in April..." fame?
+10 for him, in that case.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: salsacz on February 08, 2014, 01:27:00 AM
It is vote by objection.

...small cut...

Also, should I even bother with the crypto algo review?  Sounds like Jesse James can help us with that.  On that note I recommend a 250k bounty for Jesse James from unclaimed dev Nxt.  If we still want a crypto review, I can use 10 BTC from my own wallet, but I need a very clear and concise response on what we specifically need from someone reviewing the algo.

Jesse James is DoctorEvil,  of  "It was a bright cold day in April..." fame?
+10 for him, in that case.

He already obtained 10 Btc we were having for algo review. He also agreed to become a dev condultant


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 08, 2014, 05:34:24 AM
Sounds like a lot of great projects in the works!  

I believe we should start to limit bounties of unclaimed Nxt to finished open source projects.  Website are still eligible, but receive a smaller amount.  That way if the developer wants to take their Nxt and run, the community can take over development.  We could elect someone to review the code and then release funds.  Thoughts?

I agree with you on that.

Just my 2 cents on current state of the development progress.
We are going the wrong way in terms of the NXT development as a whole.
The simple example is Messaging over AM:
  • We do have like 5(?) different implementations
  • We do not have any documents describing the Messaging system as a whole
  • We do not have any documents describing the protocol used for Messaging over AM
  • We do have the software fragmentation in 1 particular feature (there is no client which supports all of the messages created)
So actually we are shooting our own leg this way.

It is important to have not only the source code open and uptodate but to have easy readable description of the processes.
I think that document should be reviewed by someone, edited, discussed by community in terms of functionality. Should be discussed at least some way by client devs.

Cfb mentioned that there will be some voting system functionality implemented soon. We need to get the details on that no to reinvent the wheel in our clients. Cause we already do have one implementation ...

Also Cfb mentioned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4875741#msg4875741) some time ago about the bips (https://github.com/bitcoin/bips) like process. I think that's really good idea.
Anyway i think it makes sense to start with SOME documentation at least.

What do you think about that?


Totally agree with you.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 08, 2014, 06:50:48 AM

As I see it QBTC (nxtcrypto) - 100k, and Passion_LTC (Nxtvote, Nxtion, etc) - 150k are marketing they already received bounty there.

I agree with salsacz, jesse james already received 10 BTC, and will get more along the way when he delivers.

so lets reserve this thread for clients and other NEW projects

if you think your project should get a bounty, list it here.

Pin


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: allwelder on February 08, 2014, 07:26:12 AM
Plz count in this Nxt Chinese website.
www.nxts.org (http://www.nxts.org)

Another project about Nxt Chinese community is being implemented www.nxts.info (http://www.nxts.info)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 08, 2014, 07:44:33 AM

As I see it QBTC (nxtcrypto) - 100k, and Passion_LTC (Nxtvote, Nxtion, etc) - 150k are marketing they already received bounty there.


What do you mean with 'are marketing'? :)

QBTC is running a whole server just for us. She should get the bounty. About me, I can't be neutral here. ;) I have 3 other projects in the pipeline, funds are always welcomed. :p


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 08, 2014, 07:57:19 AM

As I see it QBTC (nxtcrypto) - 100k, and Passion_LTC (Nxtvote, Nxtion, etc) - 150k are marketing they already received bounty there.


What do you mean with 'are marketing'? :)

QBTC is running a whole server just for us. She should get the bounty. About me, I can't be neutral here. ;) I have 3 other projects in the pipeline, funds are always welcomed. :p

I don't say you don't deserve a bounty, I am only saying it should be handled by the marketing commitee.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 08, 2014, 08:22:54 AM

As I see it QBTC (nxtcrypto) - 100k, and Passion_LTC (Nxtvote, Nxtion, etc) - 150k are marketing they already received bounty there.


What do you mean with 'are marketing'? :)

QBTC is running a whole server just for us. She should get the bounty. About me, I can't be neutral here. ;) I have 3 other projects in the pipeline, funds are always welcomed. :p

I don't say you don't deserve a bounty, I am only saying it should be handled by the marketing commitee.
I was mainly talking about QBTC. :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: EmoneyRu on February 08, 2014, 11:57:05 AM
Nxt-kit: Helping tool for VPS deploying. (https://github.com/nxt-ext/nxt-kit)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Ola on February 08, 2014, 12:38:03 PM
leave a spot for me...will make an announcement with a demo soon


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: rriky92 on February 08, 2014, 12:46:22 PM
If you want to add my iPhone app i never had a bounty for it! Someone took a bounty for the iPhone app but never released it!


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: marcus03 on February 08, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
For the sake of completeness: NXT Solaris :-)

To be open-sourced until February 16th.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: minusbalancer on February 08, 2014, 02:33:57 PM

It is important to have not only the source code open and uptodate but to have easy readable description of the processes.
I think that document should be reviewed by someone, edited, discussed by community in terms of functionality. Should be discussed at least some way by client devs.

Anyway i think it makes sense to start with SOME documentation at least.

so lets reserve this thread for clients and other NEW projects
if you think your project should get a bounty, list it here.

Pin

Please see quote above. It is really important IMO. So probably it makes sense to add this kind of "rule".


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Bitventurer on February 08, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
please , reserve a  bounty up to a Million coins, for me and Passion_ltc.

 :-*


don't ask for what and it's not  FUD


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 08, 2014, 03:46:50 PM
please , reserve a  bounty up to a Million coins, for me and Passion_ltc.

 :-*


don't ask for what and it's not  FUD

Confirm. Definitely NO FUD! Will be huge and you all will love it. It will make the Nxt ecosystem appear much more professional. :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: drsnuggles on February 08, 2014, 04:17:00 PM
Currently with a few outside developers on payment modules for the main open source ecommerce and CMS systems.
First draft has been sent to wesleyh for review, as I want someone from inside to look it over before we go any further.
Hopefully he has will give some insights if he has time.

Still in initial stages.

CMS/commerce list:
prestashop
oscommerce
magento
Drupal
Wordpress
Joomla
Oooh, that sounds good! :) Would love to see Nextcoin payment plugins be released. This could start real use of the coin as currency.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: pinarello on February 08, 2014, 06:04:32 PM
please , reserve a  bounty up to a Million coins, for me and Passion_ltc.

 :-*


don't ask for what and it's not  FUD

what for?  :D

Well if its worth it no problem.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Damelon on February 08, 2014, 09:19:35 PM
Currently with a few outside developers on payment modules for the main open source ecommerce and CMS systems.
First draft has been sent to wesleyh for review, as I want someone from inside to look it over before we go any further.
Hopefully he has will give some insights if he has time.

Still in initial stages.

CMS/commerce list:

prestashop
oscommerce
magento
Drupal
Wordpress
Joomla

Just a small update.
wesleyh has looked at the proposal and I will be sending his feedback to my guys.
As soon as I am back from my week at the Frankfurter Messe I will be getting more energy into this project.
I want to be able to show something so everyone can look at it (especially the devs) to poke and prod at it, hopefully with one of my devs on a BCT account, too. Feels a bit silly to be in the middle, as may be project leader, but not technically minded, so I'm at best a hindrance in that process. :)

I want to thank wes out here, so he gets public credit for being an overall nice guy!

Oooh, that sounds good! :) Would love to see Nextcoin payment plugins be released. This could start real use of the coin as currency.

That's exactly the plan.
The idea is to make it simple for people to start implementations of payments in Nxt.




Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Anon136 on February 09, 2014, 04:25:38 PM
I'm going to be offering a silver bullion gateway in the nxt decentralized asset exchange system. Shipping and profit will be built into the price of the asset when i first issue it so then it will be able to circulate through the economy freely until someone decided to redeem it. Since shipping and profit will be built into the issue price, the process for acquiring silver with nxt will be as simple as going onto the market in your client, buying the cheapest unit available at the time and then send the token to my nxt address along with a message specifying where they would like the silver to be shipped. To the end user there will be no complications with paying for shipping or anything, or going to a website and filling out information and placing order, it will be totally seamless.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: scor2k on February 09, 2014, 07:58:27 PM
Hello!

My project is Wordpress plugin, that allow log in with NXT token. Plugin name nxtAuth (http://wordpress.org/plugins/nxtauth/) .

How it's works:
  • Click on the image with NXT logo and enter valid NXT token
  • If NXT server online and token valid - you log in to site with subscriber account
  • On the Wordpress settings page you can change address of NXT server. By default - localhost

ToDo:
  • Adding modal jQuery window
  • Add User page with additional Info, such as transactions, etc
  • Integrate with my AM project - http://nxtdb.info (http://nxtdb.info)

How to test:
  • Go to http://nxtdb.info (http://nxtdb.info) and click "Authenticate with NXT token" in header
  • On the top-right corner click logo and enter valid (or not) NXT token for site: nxtdb.info
  • Or you can install this plugin on your Wordpress blog. Find nxtAuth plugin, install and activate it.


Bug report:
If you find some bug, send me PM with description and I pay you 100 NXT :)

P.S. Sorry for my bad english :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: BaiMangal on February 11, 2014, 03:43:11 PM
We are ready to launch our Nxt Assets gateway which will start to issue BTC and LTC valued assets.
The module for issuing EURO assets is done and ready to be launched too (the legal stuff around it is almost done) but we would like to start without FIAT and have no fees on the gateway for a couple of months.

To do so we would like to claim some bounty to be able to cover our expenses and work for the no fee period.
The bigger the bounty the longer the no fee period will be.

Here is the site: www.quicknxt.com (http://www.quicknxt.com)
There are no real assets on it yet but as sson as the AE is done and tested we will add BTC and LTC valued assets.

The site will most likely host l8orre's AE Client and we will try to help him with whatever we can..

BTW
We are almost ready with our windows client which aim is to be easy to install and use by none cumputer literate people.
Hopefully we will announce it tonight..




Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 11, 2014, 05:37:12 PM
We are ready to launch our Nxt Assets gateway which will start to issue BTC and LTC valued assets.
The module for issuing EURO assets is done and ready to be launched too (the legal stuff around it is almost done) but we would like to start without FIAT and have no fees on the gateway for a couple of months.

To do so we would like to claim some bounty to be able to cover our expenses and work for the no fee period.
The bigger the bounty the longer the no fee period will be.

Here is the site: www.quicknxt.com (http://www.quicknxt.com)
There are no real assets on it yet but as sson as the AE is done and tested we will add BTC and LTC valued assets.

The site will most likely host l8orre's AE Client and we will try to help him with whatever we can..

BTW
We are almost ready with our windows client which aim is to be easy to install and use by none cumputer literate people.
Hopefully we will announce it tonight.



+1 Great work BM, I would definitely recommend a bounty for QuickNxt.  Also, Anon136's project for Silver Bullion is very interesting and worth funding.

Pin, perhaps we can compile a list of projects in the OP.  All of the projects here are great, but I do agree we should stick to new projects for funding in this thread.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 12, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: minusbalancer on February 12, 2014, 07:05:59 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Anon136 on February 12, 2014, 07:29:21 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: minusbalancer on February 12, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.
If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 13, 2014, 11:36:01 PM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.
If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.


It's not about the spam to the network. It's a problem for my site.

First you argue why should you pay double and then you say I can vote for free? I also have to pay double. Also all the money will go into the reddit marketing campaign. I won't earn money with this.

So a critical decision about the future of NXT isn't worth 10ct for you? Also 5ct for the transaction which will distribute the NXT among forgers and support the network, and 5ct for the marketing campaign which will raise interest in Nxt. It's not like you pay 10ct to me to be able to vote.


It is possible to make it free to vote. But then A) everything gets more complicated and B) more spam.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 14, 2014, 03:10:40 AM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

When I wrote that you were still working out bugs, I realize its fully operational and definitely deserve a bounty.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Anon136 on February 14, 2014, 04:27:14 AM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.
If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.


Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Passion_ltc on February 14, 2014, 06:38:23 AM
Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).
What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational. :)

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote :)

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.
If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.


Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA
+1

It is possible to make it free to vote. But then A) everything gets more complicated and B) more spam.

It would be nice to have more options when voting.  Have you considered using authorization tokens?  Would make it possible to do account-based and stake-based voting.  For example, the user of account 1492674458095041639 would generate the following authorization token for website tipnxt.com/vote345 :

Code:
3iiso4mjifm0048bpftfb0pvgcs2snpqodqa9129sebb8u18de4ne1pa9qla63o0j0vukrr1bl139oeoq2ifa23ob7fkllh2k96kc93vbblg29of2h1dd57k2221u52pldjuck49qnppr5vusomdejpj5h66j2j2

You can then decode the token using the API (or /admin.html in NRS) with the token and website: tipnxt.com/vote345 to get JSON.
Code:
{
    "timestamp": 7047543,
    "valid": true,
    "account": "1492674458095041639"
}

For your consideration.

Yea I already worked with the token system and know how it works. :)

This would be a possibility to implement different voting options. Currently the site is not used at all. Please respond if you are DEEPLY interested into this kind of voting. I have many other projects running and can't waste time on something nobody is using. ;)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: CoinTropolis_JustaBitTime on February 15, 2014, 03:22:12 AM
Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.






Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 15, 2014, 05:25:56 AM
Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.


I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: CoinTropolis_JustaBitTime on February 15, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.


I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I'd be happy to address it since this is one of my specializations. If you want to break mainstream news, you need to give writers a story. In our own Nxt bubble, it's easy to get frustrated about the lack of coverage we get when we send out news... but to be honest, that's just not how the world works. Dogecoin understands this intimately with their recent charity drives and news.  I've made the phone calls (my experience can be tracked through both Feathercoin and Peercoin) and it's always the same thing... they want something big to write about.

There's a reason professional poker focused so much on charity events as it fought to become more mainstream. The goodwill generated from events like this make life much easier for PR teams.  If this community decides to pass on it, that's fine.. but it's a mistake from an ROI perspective. It's not about the event, it's about everything around it.

As for Blue Cantrell, well, that's entirely different point. While I appreciate (and live) geek culture, mainstream news that covers mainstream audiences is exactly who I would like to target.

Check my history with Sunny King with Peercoin, I know what I'm talking about in this realm. Either way, I appreciate the consideration.



Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: msin on February 16, 2014, 05:17:08 AM
Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.


I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I'd be happy to address it since this is one of my specializations. If you want to break mainstream news, you need to give writers a story. In our own Nxt bubble, it's easy to get frustrated about the lack of coverage we get when we send out news... but to be honest, that's just not how the world works. Dogecoin understands this intimately with their recent charity drives and news.  I've made the phone calls (my experience can be tracked through both Feathercoin and Peercoin) and it's always the same thing... they want something big to write about.

There's a reason professional poker focused so much on charity events as it fought to become more mainstream. The goodwill generated from events like this make life much easier for PR teams.  If this community decides to pass on it, that's fine.. but it's a mistake from an ROI perspective. It's not about the event, it's about everything around it.

As for Blue Cantrell, well, that's entirely different point. While I appreciate (and live) geek culture, mainstream news that covers mainstream audiences is exactly who I would like to target.

Check my history with Sunny King with Peercoin, I know what I'm talking about in this realm. Either way, I appreciate the consideration.



I still don't get it, maybe its just me but I see no results from this.  I mean the website lists "hobocoin" as a donation option, this isn't a creative or unique opportunity to spread the word.  We don't need this kind of marketing at this point, and your response didn't address my first post at all.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Damelon on February 16, 2014, 07:26:41 PM

I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I still don't get it, maybe its just me but I see no results from this.  I mean the website lists "hobocoin" as a donation option, this isn't a creative or unique opportunity to spread the word.  We don't need this kind of marketing at this point, and your response didn't address my first post at all.

I'd like to explain why I chose to back this, which may answer the question.

It's basically a way into the mainstream media.
This has several advantages, even though it may not be our target audience yet.

Mainstream media have a wider audience than the crypto community. I myself came to crypto not by specialised media, but mainstream. It wouldn't have come on my radar as easily without them, even though it fitted my profile, so to say.

People who "can use" Nxt, but are afraid to step into something like BCT forum, because it can be daunting, can see there are likeminded people on there and decide to make the step. The more people reached, the greater the chances of that. Sometimes even a small article on the right site can accomplish that goal.

This charity run is meant to help us get that kind of coverage, apart from just helping these kids get some support.

Songs for Love is good for this, as they also WANT to be paid in crypto. In short, they show the "normal" world that cryptos are valid. This is also good for the perception of cryptos in general, which will help later adoption.

I myself have no idea who Blue Cantrell is. I don't need to know even. I can see there is potential here for us, just in the numbers. At least, that is my take.

Hope that explains why I think this can be a very good thing, and why I support this as a good marketing tool, as well as a nice charity :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Damelon on February 17, 2014, 12:47:37 PM
Hi people,

My developer is ready to start on the creation of payment modules for Nxt for all major open source platforms, starting with WP, because that will help quick adoption.

Basically the system consists of two parts: a module for the client and a module for servers. The client module takes care of giving payment details to the customer and sending out queries to a dedicated server that answers these queries.

The merchant can set several parameters like minimum number of confirmations before he considers a transaction "valid", amount of time that he will accept payment etc.

NO secret information is sent: the customer will pay via his own client.

The dedicated server is responsible for answering queries about the payments. Merchants can either choose to set up their own server (run a node) or use the services of a 3rd party server (paid or otherwise, depends on the node).

All software will be open source from the start.

I would like to know if a bounty is outstanding for this or if anyone is willing to offer a bounty for this. At this moment ETA would be end of the month for the first version to be used with WP.

i have ran the information that my developer sent already by wesleyh, to be sure it is good.  :)


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: ChuckOne on February 18, 2014, 06:26:50 PM
Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

Psychologically, even the smallest amount is far more than ZERO.

It is like a threshold to be overstepped.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: wesleyh on February 18, 2014, 06:33:13 PM
Working 24/7 on my nxt client http://nxtra.org/nxt-client

Will be packed as an app for all platforms soon too.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: Anon136 on February 18, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

Psychologically, even the smallest amount is far more than ZERO.

It is like a threshold to be overstepped.

yea i tend to think that the fee should be pretty low. If its too high than you open it up to more possibility for manipulation by rent seekers. so imagine that we are voting on whether nxt in the community fund should be spent on marketing. if the fee is really high than we would have low participation it could make it profitable for those who would be on the receiving end of this contract to spend less on buying these votes than they would receive in the payout.

1 nxt is probably higher than is actually desirable if you do not take into consideration the costs of blockchain bloat.


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: l8orre on February 19, 2014, 06:31:03 AM

Hey good Morning!

I'd like to file my project nxtFreeRider for the 'tech projects' roster.

I believe that nxtFreeRider will make a valuable and distinct contribution to the nxt clients ecosystem.

Features/Attributes:

- python3/PyQt4:  fully open source, code inspection extremely easy rapid development/modification possible by anybody,
- script language: no binary that must either be trusted or compiled from source
- developer tool: includes api access window for testing, new api calls can be added very fast
- using QThreadpool, query threads can be used for NRS backend load testing
- Focus on Asset Exchange     
- python provides scipy: scipy has become the single most powerful and versatile scientific computation environment available
- can be used as a tool to analyse node behaviour and counteract malicious attacks on the network.

The availability of scipy provides a unique feature that no other client has - I have the impression that this aspect is a bit underrated so far.

Best,
l8orre


Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: abuelau on February 19, 2014, 11:27:05 AM
Hello,

First fully online NXT wallet

I am about to launch the first Online NXT Wallet: https://wallet.mynxt.info and would like to apply for the infrastructure fund.

It's an online wallet similar to blockchain.info. This will enable anyone to very easily get into NXT without having to download clients, install java, connect to ports, etc.

- It's very easy to use
- It's secure: the wallet key is AES256 encrypted multiple times, passwords are hashed and everything is done via SSL.
- Works on PC, Mac, tablets, phones
- Completely free



Title: Re: NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins
Post by: bitcoinpaul on February 19, 2014, 11:37:05 AM
Hello,

First fully online NXT wallet

I am about to launch the first Online NXT Wallet: https://wallet.mynxt.info and would like to apply for the infrastructure fund.

It's an online wallet similar to blockchain.info. This will enable anyone to very easily get into NXT without having to download clients, install java, connect to ports, etc.

- It's very easy to use
- It's secure: the wallet key is AES256 encrypted multiple times, passwords are hashed and everything is done via SSL.
- Works on PC, Mac, tablets, phones
- Completely free



HUGE!!!