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As we all know since the merit system It has been very controversial fact on this forum. According to my experience, it is not easy to get merits on BTT. I have got 9 merits so far but I am dying to get one more merit to be a member. meanwhile, there are plenty of people who have not got even single merit.

I think BTT followed Reddit karma system introducing the merit system But I am afraid whether it works in a similar way to Reddit. Obviously, getting karma on Reddit is not this much harder. Therefore, even though the intention is good everybody doubts now, whether the merit system works as everybody thought at the beginning.

I admit it is important to maintain the quality of this forum But I am not sure Merit system is the answer for it. Will BTT introduce any other system in future instead of the merit system?

NO!

And never been controversial. It works fine from the day 1.
Update>
Looking trough your post history is enough for me. Better move to Reddit if you like the system there

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New update > Your Merit history, thanks to LoyceV

Fri May 11 03:52:32 2018: 1 from Your Point Is Invalid (history)for Re: I got merits, lots of them - do you want some??
Thu Feb 22 17:55:04 2018: 5 from QuestionAuthority (history)for  How should digital accounts be handled after you pass away?
Mon Feb 12 10:20:15 2018: 2 from JayJuanGee (history)for Re: Merit & new rank requirements
Tue Jan 30 03:37:50 2018: 1 from miang (history)for Philippines SEC Plans to Regulate Cryptocurrencies, ICOs

Working link here> http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/1402754.html

Nobody has a crystal ball that can look into the future so nobody can answer that, but what is more likely to happen if the merit system fails is signatures are to be removed completely and that will then solve all our troubles with the ranking system here because people only care about ranks for signature campaigns and bounties. So that is something you should be more concerned about because I'm guessing if that happens you will leave and never return anyway, so instead of hoping and dreaming that one day the merit system might be removed and everything goes back to how it was before, I'd be more concerned about the quality of yours and everyone else's posts here.

I have to disagree and say that the Merit system is VITAL for this site. Can you imagine the numbers of people joining if they could get to the proverbial top of the tree by posting spam and crap? Unimaginable it really is.

While i take pity on some people who are struggling to get some merit when you can see they are actually putting the effort in, the flip side is that if it were removed, this site would become shambolic and literally a free-for-all and virtually impossible to moderate.

All of the people who complain about the Merit system have one common denominator- their post history! Why should they be able to rank up when they aren't here to do anything other than sponge from it?

As for yourself my friend, if you're on 9 merit then you know its possible to get it, just post some good content and i'm sure you'll be rewarded soon enough!  ;D

In recognition of this grave injustice, and hoping to correct it, I decided to go through your post history and merit the first post I found that showed the slightest evidence of original or useful thought. Unfortunately, I gave up after 15 pages, which consist almost entirely of bounty spam, with the balance comprised of quotes of blog posts and articles. That's 300 posts of nothing but spam! How much more is there? Well, I don't have time to go through it all, so I guess it's up to someone else to give you your one lousy merit point.

Why it has to work the similar way. Getting merit is not impossible but harder for a reason. If these members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4104852.msg38101766#msg38101766) can do it then why cann't you?  You are trying to find holes in merit system (I have been there) where you HAVE the holes in yourself. Better improve yourself then complaining about anything else.

So that you can easily start posting your non senses and move forward? LOL
Learn to live with what you have.

Merit system is the best idea to prevent spammers from making free money(bounties). I would suggest that there should be a merit requirement or rank to enter the bounties section for further spam prevention.

Merit prevents shitposters from ranking up. It does not control the spam. Spam and shitposting is controlled by our mods who have to clean up the diarrhoea of the bounty spammers. What is ironic is that some people come to this forum to make some cash through these bounties and feed their lowlife families - but if you ban them form the forum for shitposting then they start complaining and call it "racism"

This is promote more merit trading because of the people who want to join the campaign but is being opposed from doing so because of merit requirement.

In my opinion it's better this way. It improves the quality of discussion on the forum and weeds away the spammers and shit posters.
Most of the concern around merit is I guess raised by bounty hunters who may be losing out on signature bounties.

I myself used to do the same. Made my share of mistakes and realized after a long time that the need and purpose of this forum is
bigger than each one of us. In the future, when crypto becomes main stream, this forum will be known as the place where it all started.

Modifying my comment. Yes. In fact, after the introduction of merit system, the number of alt accounts has increased exponentially, which in
turn has increased the spam. In almost every bounty you find people entering with 10s of accounts and its very sad when they brag about the
number of accounts they are maintaining.

Hoping not, is a great system needs only few adjustments (reduce the smerit needed to rank up shitposter will never rank up anyway without abusing and a better spread for merit sources)

IMO, its better for the forum to continue the merit system. More members are not just targeting the post count, interaction to members in the community is more important.

I took a look at OP's posts and I'm amazed he got 9 merits in the first place. His post history only consists of endless bounties quotes and it seems he's only interested in making money here.
I am glad the merit system works here but we still need an improvement to stop the bounties spam.

He even received merit for a post copied from somewhere and just posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2999491.msg30845750#msg30845750
There were no replies to that thread either.

Not sure why someone would merit something like that...

This is a very wrong decision if merit will be removed. I used merit to become my inspiration to become a good quality poster to contribute something good here in forum.  Their are lots of merit farming but it's more violent on MASS MERIT FARMING like sending 50 merits to a shitposts. This will never be remove because it's more than 120 days of the existence of merit that make a lot of people to be encouraged to make good quality posts in order to rank up amd to LEARN.

I don't think it will remove. In my opinion merit system working fine to prevent spam. You didn't got merit It's your weakness. It dose not mean merit system not good. There is no chance to earn merit without quality post. Yes we know some corrupted member's here to abuse merit. That is different case. Every there on the world is corruption. So it's not different on bitcointalk. Forget complain and make quality post. Sure some one merited you. Best of luck.

I have the basic answer to your question. NO, Merit System will not be remove no matter how many times you make complaints about it. If you don't like Merits System, then it is much better if YOU will be the one who will be remove. if you wanna stay, then please, for your own sake, stop making nonsense threads like these. People will only hate you because of what you're doing. Geeez.

It only seems controversial from the bottom. Yes the rules regarding ranking up changed, but that was just the system catching up with the times. Just accept the system and work within it.

Your question is valid, the system will only go away if it turns out to be a massive failure, which so far it does not. Some supporting evidence is this:


You had every chance here to get yourself that oh so important merit point, and failed. This tells me you are making it hard not the system, and those who don't even have one will get it when they deserve it.


Well until someone comes up with a better system this one is working quite well. I thin there is room for improvement or adjustments in regards to amount of Merit needed, but overall I thin kit's a success.

Just to drop a little honesty on you, it won't matter what the system introduced is, you won't be happy. If you can't write a quality post the system will keep your rank where it is until such a time that you deserve to rank up.

NOOO!! It must not be removed!

Although my stay in the forum is very short I have seen really primitive posts, asking the same thing over and over again, Users who do not even read pinned messages in the respective boards, Users who think this is Bountytalk.org not the Bitcointalk.org (They think the sole purpose of this forum is hosting bounty campaigns and I am pretty sure most of them haven't even heard of a board called "Meta" or "Ivory tower")!

If someone is ranking up by just posting weekly bounty reports or posting "Very good project!" "This go to moon sure" "Great team with potential" "Very promising project" is simply a disgrace to the forum! Merit system must be protected and rules and regulations of the forum must be tightened as much as possibel since "Learning" is far more important than "Earning!"

Members must earn their position and the reputations in the forum! It won't be and it must not be presented in a silver tray. This is not armed forces just to rank up by seniority!

PS: Currently I possess 3.5 sMerits and if and only if your post history enlightens me or I feel it has given something valuable to the forum I am more than happy to give you that one merit !

PS2: As far as I can see this post is just a trick to senior members with merits to go through your post history not to construct a valid discussion over the merit system.!
 

Most of the members worried about the Merit system and their rank are the perfect example of users who have no interest in cryptocurrency other than using the forum as a cash cow. Everything else doesn't matter as long the fishes can swim in the sea, The day the sea is dry the fish will leave because they can no longer be fed

Thought I'd just put your quote in bold for those who have trouble reading.

OP struggles with English, and in addition his post uses far more words than are necessary to get his point across.  That could be why he's not receiving as many merits as he thinks he should have gotten. 

There are other fixes that can be tried before the merit system is declared a failure, but that's obviously up to Theymos.  More merit sources in general, more in the local boards, etc., might alleviate some of the frustration of people who've been waiting to rank up.  I'm sure there are people who make good posts and don't get merits when they should, but I don't know if that's rare or not.  Sometimes I think the good posters get merits consistently, while the awful ones locked in their rate of merit-getting right at the start.  The latter seem incapable of improving.

Merit system must be protected? Yes of course but there's a possibility that it will be abused and it happen already like farming merits, trading merits and other ways that may called as merit abuse, it's the same as "In Light there is Dark, and in Dark there is Light".

This was the top question right after the merit system started to work and if you didn't read it - No, merit won't be removed from the forum or became easier to earn. All top users of the forum said so and Im used to believe in that.

I would like to know what was your rank before the merit system introduced?

Your experience is not the only viable point of view. It probably wouldn't have been implemented in the first place, if there was a chance of it getting canceled. Previous replies explain exactly why. It was for a reason, is and will be there for these reasons. It's probably getting changed, but never canceled.

The Possibility to take the power of merit is the possibility to ruin the appetite of those who really have the heart to learn more about cryptocurrency in this forum,  haven't you see the people that has merits even without reaching the specific suited rank to their account? They earn merits because their post is a contribution to learners and is not eye irritating to read.

 Heard about nullius? That guy post is really worth reading and is really deserving to earn merits.
 Check the whole section of this forum, don't be a lost sheep.

you are saying that you are good quality poster , look at your post history , you are bounty hunter and how you quote the post to take part and creating long threads. i was checking your post history , if your any thread is worth let me share 1 merit for you. but you did not deserve for this as it comes under twitter bounty spammer.

your post before feb 2018 was good dont know how you become spammer now. please make quality post.

you have received 5 merit points for copy paste post in bitcoin discussion main thread (but this post related to press section )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2999491.0

and read what you wrote here


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg30148962#msg30148962

please follow the rules and do not Argue with others. get some knowledge about crypto by reading it not copy pasting

He never said his quality is good.
He just made the thread most probably in order to beg for 1 merit that he is looking to rank up.

I was a regular member with 10 initial merit.
Now it seems today I reached my activity for Sr. Member and I need a 9 merit to rank up. I don't really care when/if I'm gonna get those merit /I'll be happy to change my avatar, tho/, but I can say from my experience, the merit system is working good - if someone like me - just an ordinary guy can get 230 merit from Jan til July with my gibberish English, that sounds worse than cockney, I'm sure that everyone can do it.
There is one difference - I'm not a bounty freak.
The signature campaign I've joined are to collect some coins to open some LN channels when my LN node is up and running... Wife is not happy if i use money from the family budget. (Well, I have bought some BTC last summer with real money, not by shitposting)
Maybe there's one more difference, I have a well paid full time job, and the crypto is just a hobby!
So guess what, we have different priorities here.

So why did you leave your bounty reporting activity and created a thread here about merit system? You have wasted your time, you could have made 2 more reports instead of this thread creation.

A common attribute observed among all the members who are creating some random threads in meta complaining about merit

1. Create a thread in Meta complaining about Merit.
2. Never reply to any of the harsh criticism they face in their thread.
3. Resuming their bounty reporting work.

Even after facing such criticism why don't you guys lock the thread?

Please use snip while quoting long replies. He was a member when merit was introduced and he received over 200+ merits in a span of 5 months. Now what are you gonna do by knowing this?

I think the main problem with the merit system is that we don't have enough threads complaining about it.

Do you know how Satoshi created Bitcoin? He complained about it on the intertubes and someone did it for him. True story. I made it up myself.

Here's the question that intrigues me - will the merit system cause all the pinheads to eventually fall away or will wave after new wave simply continue smacking their heads against brick walls in the dogged pursuit of merit forever?

It has made the decent posters stand out. It unquestionably is working in that aspect. It hasn't stopped the torrents of mindless feculence in any way I can detect.

I think at some point merit has to be taken a little further in terms of it being a gateway to accessing certain areas. I never really got why newbie jail is no longer a thing. There's hints of it with certain sig campaigns only accepting certain levels. It feels more like a beginning than the full solution.

Yeah, I admit, last few months I contributed for bounty campaigns to earn some free tokens. So I had no time to make posts regularly. Sooner I will stop hunting bounty campaigns and hopefully looking forward to contributing for the forum as before. everyone's comments warmly welcome. Thank you.

It’s obvious that Merit system helps to maintain the venue much cleaner reducing posts with rubbish. Anyway still possible to make a spam for anyone and that’s not yet controlled. Due to the fact that there are a number of bounty hunters striving for easy money, it’s the source of different kind of rubbish. In my opinion to make a rounded environment it’s necessary to setup a strict rules in terms of posting with limitation for non-history users.

I know it's not easy to rank up (I know the struggle dude) but now look what you are, you finally become a Member so congratulations! After all of these, can't you still see that Merit System is working and is not a hindrance at all? If so then ask yourself again :).
I respect your opinion but if merit system is not the right answer then may I know your suggestion? ;D If you don't have or you have one but less feasible then much better if you will now start accepting and getting used to what we have right now. 

Oh that's a great achievement, you have ranked up to Sr. member from member. You have done well

It's obvious that you dont know why the merit system was created and what its original objective was. Cleaning up diarrhoea posts is the work of mods and is not controlled by merit system. The latter is for ranking up.

Merit was not created to control spam. Like you for example.

Stop blabbering like an incoherent monkey. If you keep posting shit like this then dont expect to get any merits but welcome to the ignore lists of all the merit sources.

Now that you have got that 1 merit, will you take this suggestion back ? Coming back to your suggestion, don't you think that this should be implemented based on overall picture and not just because of difficulty faced by one member.

In case a new system is introduced here, it should be in addition to the merit system. So much work done for merit system will go in vain otherwise.

My thoughts exactly.  The only people complaining about it are the ones who do not care about this forum.

I think merit like a natural selection. although I'm stuck on Jr. Member but it's okay for me. It mean I need to help other member to solve some problem or made a good quality post on this forum :D

The merit system has recently been implemented at Bitcointalk.org and is well aimed at improving the quality of this forum. Therefore the merit system is not possible to be deleted at this time as long as the effect is positive. And if the merit is difficult to obtain the possibility we still need guidance from the seniors to get merit.

Agree to this one.  The merit system is only active for just a few months (we can say that this is just its honeymoon period) hence we cannot judge as of the moment if it is effective or not.  I think we need more time to make our conclusion regarding the merit system.  However, the question is how long will that time be?

I have 0 Merit but I believe in the merit system to be good unless abuse by users beyond control so do not think it should be removed.  our site is for us to give and receive good quality information so it is up to us users to maintain that and Merit is a good system, before its just activity which could be manipulated, merit can be manipulated also but at least it helps our site has another level of preventing easy manipulation. so let Merit system say but of course our seniors knows best in regards to this. just my two cents. lets make this site the best!

Abusers are being caught and marked with red thanks to the detailed merit distribution trees that some members here have developed.

No one is manpiulating the merit system. Its based on the merit source to merit worthy posts and people like you are going to go around spreading lies that its manipulated for certain people. If you are not getting enough merits for ranking up then there is nothing that can be dont because everyone else is also facing the same issue.

The forum is already the best crypto forum in the universe.

I do not think it should be removed. What will we have in meta section then ?