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Title: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Disposition on October 07, 2011, 06:14:46 PM
we need a short announcement about bitcoin in the context of #operationbitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=45943.0) and #occupywallstreet so it can be presented at the general assembly mic check as soon as possible.

info: According to Yifu there's no Mic at wall street, all talks and announcements are repeated in segments by the people who are around forming a human mic, take this into consideration; in addition it can not be too long, I feel under 5 sentences is pretty good.

p.s.

there's no mic because cops took it and they aren't allowing the use of a sound amplifying device, so don't bother suggesting.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: evoorhees on October 07, 2011, 06:36:16 PM
Can you provide a bit more context? Is this supposed to be a quick "elevator pitch" to commoners there, or a specific announcement of something specific?  I'm happy to prepare something but need more details on the purpose, intended target, and any relevant background info.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 07, 2011, 06:37:49 PM
Somebody make a filthy Bitcoin dirty joke and use the time allowed to just tell that dirty joke, maybe work Bitcoin in an Aristocrats joke

Bitcoin will forever be remembered.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Disposition on October 07, 2011, 07:18:02 PM
Can you provide a bit more context? Is this supposed to be a quick "elevator pitch" to commoners there, or a specific announcement of something specific?  I'm happy to prepare something but need more details on the purpose, intended target, and any relevant background info.

I think it can be both, It is open mic to the general commoners so a "elevator pitch" type isn't exactly off, but I feel we should still make a general announcement about how bitcoin's role is in #occupywallstreet since they have similar goals.


draft notes Yifu gave me is something like.

"Good news everybody, I have free Bitcoins for you!" - attention grabber
"Bitcoin is ... decentralized, peer to peer crypto-currency" - what bitcoin is
... - why bitcoin is awesome
notes and good lines -
"There's already 3 locations in NYC that accepts bitcoin as a form of payment"
"30+ location world wide."
"Already can trade across 17 different other currencies"
"person to person transfer, low fees"
"Bitcoin is the medium, and medium is the revolution, bitcoin is the revolution"


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: evoorhees on October 07, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.

If you care to end the lecherous system that has grown fat off the toils of society, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: hello_good_sir on October 07, 2011, 08:46:48 PM
The Catholic Church used to dominate everything.  The Church was controlled by bankers and controlled the kings and other governments, just like Wall Street bankers control everything now.  Then an invention came along: the printing press.  The printing press freed speech.  That was the turning point.  Once speech was freed the old order was swept away and the power of the elite greatly reduced.  The elite was never completely eliminated and sought to get their power back.  They have it back.  However we have a new invention: Bitcoin.  Bitcoin is free money, not free as in "free beer!" but free as in free speech.  Money is speech, it is the way that we ask strangers to give us stuff or do stuff for us.  Right now the money is controlled by the elite and so they control the dialog, they control what happens.  With free money we control the dialog.  People use bitcoin to support wikileaks and occupy NYC.  With free money we can support causes without being censored.  We can buy things that we want to buy, whether it is contraception in Saudi Arabia, a banned book in China, a dildo in Texas, or a joint in NYC.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: jimbobway on October 07, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
Go to bitcoin.org!!!  Bitcoin is the answer to all your problems and our children's problems!!!  Bitcoin is decentralized and there is no bank to ruin your lives!!!  Bitcoin is the key to a non-wallstreet dominated culture!!!


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Steve on October 07, 2011, 08:53:01 PM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.

If you care to end the lecherous system that has grown fat off the toils of society, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********
Excellent.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitterTea on October 07, 2011, 09:00:23 PM
I recommend taking the advice on this page (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Public_relations) into account.

I like evoorhees' bit, but it may not work very well in the format.

Why not just announce that Bitcoin is a money not controlled by large financial and government interests, and anyone who wishes to learn more about it should meet at X place and Y time?


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: evoorhees on October 07, 2011, 09:05:07 PM
I recommend taking the advice on this page (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Public_relations) into account.

I like evoorhees' bit, but it may not work very well in the format.

Why not just announce that Bitcoin is a money not controlled by large financial and government interests, and anyone who wishes to learn more about it should meet at X place and Y time?

Lesson #1 of PR: know your audience.

The protesters are in the mood for high rhetoric and impact - the statement to them needs to be such. Given the demographic and tenor of the audience, I tried to imagine what Che Guevara would say, if he knew what he was talking about.

The wiki page is great general advice for a general audience, but this is not a general audience.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: jimbobway on October 07, 2011, 09:22:51 PM
I recommend taking the advice on this page (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Public_relations) into account.

I like evoorhees' bit, but it may not work very well in the format.

Why not just announce that Bitcoin is a money not controlled by large financial and government interests, and anyone who wishes to learn more about it should meet at X place and Y time?

Lesson #1 of PR: know your audience.

The protesters are in the mood for high rhetoric and impact - the statement to them needs to be such. Given the demographic and tenor of the audience, I tried to imagine what Che Guevara would say, if he knew what he was talking about.

The wiki page is great general advice for a general audience, but this is not a general audience.

I don't agree with Michael Moore all the time but go find him and convince him to use bitcoins.  Use his celebrity power so people will listen.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitcoinPorn on October 07, 2011, 09:27:02 PM
I don't agree with Michael Moore all the time but go find him and convince him to use bitcoins.  Use his celebrity power so people will listen.

Take this old idea https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25502.0 and run with it!  Make it work.  I no longer have the patience :(      I swear to all things holy that someone like Penn is going to be talking about Bitcoin five years down the road when he could easily be talking about it next week.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Shuai on October 10, 2011, 03:30:22 PM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.

If you care to end the lecherous system that has grown fat off the toils of society, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********


Wow this is absolutely excellent. Imma translate this and put it on flyers for the 15th demo in my country


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Indemnified on October 10, 2011, 10:09:22 PM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.

If you care to end the lecherous system that has grown fat off the toils of society, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********


+1  +1   +1 (and 3 cheers)


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: cypherdoc on October 10, 2011, 11:24:35 PM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support continue to buy their stocks and invest in their financial engineering them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.  It is not subject to inflation or deflation.

If you care to end the lecherous corrupt system that has grown fat off toils of society our backs, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********



Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on October 10, 2011, 11:42:39 PM
Remember everything needs to be echoed in short phrases.  Every (pause) will be echoed by the crowd.  Try this

***************

To those Occupying Wall St (To those Occupying Wall St) Please Listen Up (Please Listen Up)

You're upset with the banks (pause) yet you keep banking with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve (pause) yet you keep using its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St. (pause) yet you keep buying their stocks (pause) and their financial engineering (pause).

The banks may have built this cage (pause) but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative (pause) to this fraudulent scheme (pause) - it's called Bitcoin!

It's a decentralized monetary system (pause) no person controls it (pause) no corporation controls it (pause), and no government can control it.

It is without borders (pause)  It is not subject to inflation (pause) it is not subject to deflation.

If you care to end the corrupt system (pause) that has grown fat off our backs (pause), come learn about Bitcoin!

We're giving away FREE Money (pause) and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banking monopoly (pause) if you care to try it.

Thank You.
***********


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on October 11, 2011, 12:45:08 AM
you can use Dylan Ratigan's speech as an example of how the echo works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PSnCwCMp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PSnCwCMp4)



Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitterTea on October 11, 2011, 01:09:14 AM
you can use Dylan Ratigan's speech as an example of how the echo works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PSnCwCMp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PSnCwCMp4)



That's all I meant when I said it may not work in this format. +1 for getting it to work


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: ineededausername on October 11, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
Remember everything needs to be echoed in short phrases.  Every (pause) will be echoed by the crowd.  Try this

***************

To those Occupying Wall St (To those Occupying Wall St) Please Listen Up (Please Listen Up)

You're upset with the banks (pause) yet you keep banking with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve (pause) yet you keep using its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St. (pause) yet you keep buying their stocks (pause) and their financial engineering (pause).

The banks may have built this cage (pause) but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative (pause) to this fraudulent scheme (pause) - it's called Bitcoin!

It's a decentralized monetary system (pause) no person controls it (pause) no corporation controls it (pause), and no government can control it.

It is without borders (pause)  It is not subject to inflation (pause) it is not subject to deflation.

If you care to end the corrupt system (pause) that has grown fat off our backs (pause), come learn about Bitcoin!

We're giving away FREE Money (pause) and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banking monopoly (pause) if you care to try it.

Thank You.
***********


I hope this speech actually gets delivered.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Shuai on October 11, 2011, 03:19:09 PM
I made it a little more compact by removing redundant parts, so it gets easier to deliver.

***************

To those Occupying Wall St (To those Occupying Wall St) Please Listen Up (Please Listen Up)

You're upset with the banks (pause) yet you keep banking with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve (pause) yet you keep using its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St. (pause) yet you keep buying their stocks.

The banks may have built this cage (pause) but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative (pause) to this fraudulent scheme (pause) - it's called Bitcoin! (either remove the middle part or have no pause between the beginning and the middle)

It's a decentralized monetary system (pause) no person controls it (pause) no corporation controls it (pause), and no government can control it.

It is without borders (pause)  It is not subject to inflation (pause) ((I don't think the part about it not being subject to deflation is relevant - deflation is almost only used as something to describe product price trends, where bitcoin will actually lead to deflation. How about adding "It is not subject to arbitration" at the end instead.))

If you care to end this corrupt system (pause), come learn about Bitcoin!

We're giving away FREE Money (pause) and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banking monopoly (pause)

Thank You.
***********


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: genjix on October 11, 2011, 03:52:53 PM
http://bitcoin.witcoin.com/p/1807

Quote
It's always the same story. So much talking and bitching, yet so little action to make things change!

People bitch ALL THE TIME against the governments and banks, how bad and how much of a scam they are, etc. And then when we FINALLY offer them a concrete alternative, something that is already here and that COULD work for all of us, they just shit on it and bitch about how much of a scam it must be, how it will miserably FAIL and all that pessimistic stuff.

If we decide that it will fail, and reject it before even giving it a chance, well then yes OF COURSE it will fail. I think the concept of Bitcoin is brilliant, but I'm saddened by all the negative things I already read about it. Why don't we just all give it a try and see, instead of snobbing it right away? No need to invest huge sums into it, but why not all give it a try, do some small exchanges, etc, and see if it eventually takes off and become big? Things like MP3s, Linux, Firefox and Torrents took off, because people embraced it and started using it massively and spreading the love about it. The same could be true for Bitcoin. But If you just reject it right away thinking that it will inevitably fail, well then yes, of course it will!!!

But then after it does (fail), don't come back to us and bitch against banks and how evil they are and how we need to take them down and everything. You had your chance to do just that and you blew it... :-P

Another pessimistic thing I often hear is how it will be made "illegal" by "official" authorities, or how mainstream sites will never adopt it. That's possible, but even then so what? Why can't we start a NEW parallel economy on its own and make it OURS? Screw Amazon, Paypal and eBay if they don't want to support Bitcoins. We'll simply create new sites to replace them!! People need to learn how to think OUTSIDE of the box! Another world is possible if we all work it out together! It's all up to us to create it.

Revolutions don't just happen when people don't do anything folks!!!


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: osmosis on October 12, 2011, 12:58:16 AM
Needs more bite... try this:

**********
To those currently occupying Wall St. - Please Listen Up

You're upset with the banks, yet you continue to bank with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve, yet you continue to use its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St., yet you subsidize and support them every day.

The slave who merely grumbles while he endures his enslavement does not advance his own freedom. The banks may have built the cage, but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative to this fraudulent scheme that imprisons you - it's called Bitcoin

It's a decentralized monetary system - no person, corporation, nor government can control it. It is without borders, agenda, or undue influence.

If you care to end the lecherous system that has grown fat off the toils of society, we invite you to come over and discuss.

We're giving away some free donations of this new currency - and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banks, if you care to try it.

Message finished.
***********



As performed by a cute futuristic cartoon girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y0wDzoSomU


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on October 12, 2011, 07:40:35 AM
I like the part about the fraudulent system.  Even add a little dramatic pause before you offer the solution...

***************

To those Occupying Wall St (To those Occupying Wall St) Please Listen Up (Please Listen Up)

You're upset with the banks (pause) yet you keep banking with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve (pause) yet you keep using its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St. (pause) yet you keep buying their stocks.

The banks may have built this cage (pause) but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative (pause) to this fraudulent scheme! (pause)(wait a second) It's called...Bitcoin!

It's a decentralized monetary system (pause) no person controls it (pause) no corporation controls it (pause), and no government can control it.

It is without borders (pause)  It is not subject to inflation (pause) It is money controlled by the people.

If you care to end this corrupt system (pause), come learn about Bitcoin!

We're giving away FREE Money (pause) and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banking monopoly (pause)

Thank You.
***********


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: cypherdoc on October 12, 2011, 10:41:26 AM
I like the part about the fraudulent system.  Even add a little dramatic pause before you offer the solution...

***************

To those Occupying Wall St (To those Occupying Wall St) Please Listen Up (Please Listen Up)

You're upset with the banks (pause) yet you keep banking with them.

You're upset with the Federal Reserve (pause) yet you keep using its fiat money.

You're upset with Wall St. (pause) yet you keep buying their stocks.

The banks may have built this cage (pause) but you have locked yourself inside.

There is an alternative (pause) to this fraudulent scheme! (pause)(wait a second) It's called...Bitcoin!

It's a decentralized monetary system (pause) no person controls it (pause) no corporation controls it (pause), and no government can control it.

It is without borders (pause)  It is not subject to inflation (pause) It is money controlled by the people.

If you care to end this corrupt system (pause), come learn about Bitcoin!

We're giving away FREE Money (pause) and we'll teach you how to use it.

Bitcoin will end the banking monopoly (pause)

Thank You.
***********


i would vote for this being the final iteration.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Nesetalis on October 12, 2011, 08:32:08 PM
looks very nice... though "Free money" will make everyone think its a scam.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on October 13, 2011, 03:19:13 AM
looks very nice... though "Free money" will make everyone think its a scam.

good point.  "We're giving away some bitcoins" will work.

I have a girl in NYC that can go deliver this on the stump.  Is anyone else actually close to Wall Street?


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: evoorhees on October 13, 2011, 03:30:19 AM
looks very nice... though "Free money" will make everyone think its a scam.

good point.  "We're giving away some bitcoins" will work.

I have a girl in NYC that can go deliver this on the stump.  Is anyone else actually close to Wall Street?

Do it! But make sure there's a high quality video!


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: BitPay Business Solutions on October 13, 2011, 03:40:24 AM
looks very nice... though "Free money" will make everyone think its a scam.

good point.  "We're giving away some bitcoins" will work.

I have a girl in NYC that can go deliver this on the stump.  Is anyone else actually close to Wall Street?

Do it! But make sure there's a high quality video!

yes!  I will call Stephanie tomorrow.  if she's in town I will have her deliver it and get a friend to video tape it.  She's great!


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: supertubes on October 14, 2011, 12:34:47 AM
I have a girl in NYC that can go deliver this on the stump.  Is anyone else actually close to Wall Street?
Do it! But make sure there's a high quality video!
yes!  I will call Stephanie tomorrow.  if she's in town I will have her deliver it and get a friend to video tape it.  She's great!

I'm really glad that people want Bitcoin to be a part of the OWS movement, but I would beg you to reconsider this.  I've visited Zuccotti Park three times over the past several weeks and I can tell you this would not go over well.  The General Assembly is *not for speeches* (even if celebrities sometimes derail it).  The GA is how the organizers arrive at day-to-day tactical decisions.  They figure out what to do next in response to the ever-changing conditions, and how to resolve any problems that have come up.  They are at an especially critical moment right now as a stand-off with the city is developing, ostensibly over who is in charge of cleaning the park.

As for as advocating solutions to society's problems – that is what happens all day, every day.  As you might imagine, every single person and group with a non-mainstream agenda is down there promoting it right now.  Bitcoin should be in the mix too.  People are extremely receptive when approached as individuals, so by all means bring down those cards and any other literature and get people involved.

But let's be honest.  Yes, Bitcoin could very well make the entire nation-state system obsolete, it is just that profound, but that doesn't change the fact that you're all looking out for your ROI.  This speech reeks of it.  If the human mic is fed a sales script being recited by a girl that you "have," it will just plain crap out and leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth wrt Bitcoin.

Basically, there are no short-cuts here.  If you want Bitcoin to play a role in the movement, join it.  I for one will definitely be there talking about the role that Bitcoin might eventually play as a network starts to develop between the popular movements cropping up in various cities and countries.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: tvbcof on October 14, 2011, 12:57:56 AM

I'm really glad that people want Bitcoin to be a part of the OWS movement, but I would beg you to reconsider this.  I've visited Zuccotti Park three times over the past several weeks and I can tell you this would not go over well.

...

But let's be honest.  Yes, Bitcoin could very well make the entire nation-state system obsolete, it is just that profound, but that doesn't change the fact that you're all looking out for your ROI.  This speech reeks of it.  If the human mic is fed a sales script being recited by a girl that you "have," it will just plain crap out and leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth wrt Bitcoin.

+1 and +1

I would strongly suspect you are right on the first point, and I know for a fact that a part of my own interest and some of the work and money I've put in is in hopes of obtaining a more favorable ROI at the end of the day.

Basically, there are no short-cuts here.  If you want Bitcoin to play a role in the movement, join it.  I for one will definitely be there talking about the role that Bitcoin might eventually play as a network starts to develop between the popular movements cropping up in various cities and countries.

I agree with that and have stated so many times in several forums.  Let's try to make Bitcoin generally and obviously useful here.  That should successful and the rewards (and/or backlashes) will fall into place naturally if so.  If Bitcoin cannot make a positive impact in an effort like this then it's probably just as well that it fails generally IMHO.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: evoorhees on October 14, 2011, 02:05:15 AM

I'm really glad that people want Bitcoin to be a part of the OWS movement, but I would beg you to reconsider this.  I've visited Zuccotti Park three times over the past several weeks and I can tell you this would not go over well.  The General Assembly is *not for speeches* (even if celebrities sometimes derail it).  The GA is how the organizers arrive at day-to-day tactical decisions.  They figure out what to do next in response to the ever-changing conditions, and how to resolve any problems that have come up.  They are at an especially critical moment right now as a stand-off with the city is developing, ostensibly over who is in charge of cleaning the park.

As for as advocating solutions to society's problems – that is what happens all day, every day.  As you might imagine, every single person and group with a non-mainstream agenda is down there promoting it right now.  Bitcoin should be in the mix too.  People are extremely receptive when approached as individuals, so by all means bring down those cards and any other literature and get people involved.

But let's be honest.  Yes, Bitcoin could very well make the entire nation-state system obsolete, it is just that profound, but that doesn't change the fact that you're all looking out for your ROI.  This speech reeks of it.  If the human mic is fed a sales script being recited by a girl that you "have," it will just plain crap out and leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth wrt Bitcoin.

Basically, there are no short-cuts here.  If you want Bitcoin to play a role in the movement, join it.  I for one will definitely be there talking about the role that Bitcoin might eventually play as a network starts to develop between the popular movements cropping up in various cities and countries.


Well said... I'm sympathetic to your argument.

I think if we were not trying to give away bitcoins, then it would sound much less salesy... but perhaps much less effective if people don't get a take-away.  Not sure what the best course of action is. I'll default to the judgement of the people on the ground.

And again, you advanced your argument well. +10 points for you.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Sannyasi on October 14, 2011, 02:51:31 AM
it would be cool if some people went and sold things that could be useful to the them like food, blankets, tents or whatever and accepted bitcoins.... if they were being offered there and they had something to spend them on there it would help spread the word even more.... unfortunately all i can do is donate, which I've done otherwise I'd be there trying to do something like this.


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Nesetalis on October 14, 2011, 03:21:00 AM
earning and hard work rhetoric should work far better than the free lunch ideal with crowds like these.. the 99% is the working class of america... they want to be rewarded for their hard work... I know I do :p
Certainly a few of them are of the free lunch variety but they arn't likely to make bitcoin useful.

Perhaps something appealing to the small business owner, another way to take in income that isnt controlled by the states. (of course, you should still pay taxes and all that jazz.. :p )


Title: Re: #occupywallstreet #operationbitcoin GA Bitcoin Speech for Open Mic
Post by: Sannyasi on October 14, 2011, 03:51:00 AM
good point, might be counter productive to sell stuff there, especially things people need. just thinking in terms of breaking even or even taking a small loss in profits for the cause.... I have very little money myself so I'm just thinking how I might be able to help if i were able..... maybe something small like keychains that have #OccupyWallstreet. Then they could be bought using only bitcoins since we're all against the banks. perhaps direct someone who wants one to where they could get their free bitcoin/s to spend on it that is very close to where they are being given out. Or if people really don't want to just make sure they know what bitcoins are before handing them out for free. Maybe not that but something similar