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Do you think that some online gambling games fixed? How to spot such websites  ?

Ever heard of the phrase Provably Fair?

No.

I did a google research and now I have enough to read about it. For anyone lazy to search : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair

I will post my updated response once I have gone through all this.

Nice find. As an example, feel free to check the game in my signature. It is provably fair, because no one knows the last digit of the next block hash, before the miners actually find it.

These are the gambling websites with transparency and are therefore more likely to not be scams. Its the new trend in crypto gambling sites

I got the information like some of the poker site to scams like fixed and watch your moves in the backend server side itself. Please be sure you can do the good at the gambling before you investing on the concern games buddy.
If you do not have confidence on the any game, please do not invest on concern one. It will lead to loose your money only. I believe the bitcoins are needed to hodl not to waste all the time without knowing they are trustful or not.

If you're looking for a legit gambling site you can always try yolodice. It's a well reviewed and popular casino. It's always best to do some research and read threads about a site, user experiences and such.
Some sites are fixed. Many sites had bugs that allowed people to take advantage, some had vulnerabilities that allowed people to steal money (primedice). Some got caught cheating. If enough people use the site every scam will eventually be found so choose popular sites with hundreds of users and you'll be fine.

Yes, provably fair. By checking into their website you may know which gambling sites are fixed or always having bug site.
So, it is our responsibility to research first before putting fund to deposit on which gambling site you like. There are many gambling sites here in the forum which is having a good reputation and with thousands of users without scamming attempt issues.

To OP that is a good catch and research mate, as what the article says. It could also potentially expose the operator to hacking attempts if there are undisclosed security flaws in the open source software. So, thanks let's be aware of this.

Yeah i agree with you i think online gambling site are fixed their computerized program and put the amount and player how got win and how munch money can get playing in online games.
Example on that the dice rolled which always got low number combination every to spin the machine.

You need to ask a site or its members is it provably fair or no, secondly you should see what kind of games do they have and what kind of offers are they giving some give bonuses that're not possible to give and yet are given, plus their tacky script will also say it. However to save time just use the search button and if the site here shows its legit (High rank members reviews) then it's legit.

One group is kind of notorious in gambling for pirating netent slots and rigging them to pay less than normal netent slots.

http://www.igamingbusiness.com/affpower-brands-hit-lcb-s-blacklist-because-hosting-fake-netent-games

It's rare though and obviously a lot of invested interests police the gambling sites to not be total scumbags to players.

As a precaution, try not to gamble on sites that don't have checkers to ensure that a game is probably fair unless you trust the site and you're okay with the game potentially being rigged. It's extremely difficult to make sure that a game is legit without such a checker, and most sites should have probably fair checkers in at least half of their games.

A review doesn't really mean anything if there isn't a way to easily make sure a game is not rigged. Without a checker, every game could be rigged or every game could be fair- you just don't know unless there's solid evidence. The most easy way to avoid fixed games is to go to a site that offers the game you want to play, with some way of checking whether or not the game is rigged.

Fiat or not, the gambling site still liable on how legit are they operating online. However their games always remains enjoyable to play from different mode of online gamers preferences. So as long as their's a stable networks connection, the gaming online can have fixed services. And despite of how tough is the game was, there's always a reason to win or even loss in the same manner gambling is concerned.

I agree that personal experience on the site would weigh heavily on the verdict where if it is legitimate or not. If there are a lot of members that are a high rank, I think it would really mean that it's a site that is worthy of trying and depositing to but still keeping in mind that you are going to deposit the amount that you can afford to lose.

It can be! But as today, there is a provably fair system which we can use to check the fairness of a gambling site, then we shouldn't worry too much with such possibility. There are many trustworthy gambling sites which we can find it through this place. Pick one of them instead of playing on a brand new site that we don't have any idea about it.

The vast majority of them are not fixed because they don’t need to. As it has been said, House Edge does the trick while remaining (provably) fair to their customers.

Having a fair online casino is very profitable, if you are able to attract customers to the site, you are going to make a lot of money.

Provably Fair is a great gambling system, but sometimes it's impossible to explain to people that it actually works, especially to those who think that everything in the Internet is rigged. I personally encountered with this situation more than once, when after I explained how provably fair works, I was told that in reality they don't provide me with an opportunity to pick up a random client seed, but that I choose from a certain number of seeds, based on the multiplier I use (I'm talking about dice here) and on the my HI/LO preferences in the previous bets. This is especially critical when you do martingale and when it's almost certain that after getting several reds on HI you will bet HI next time.

I know they are wrong, for the most part because I don't think that "everything in the Internet is rigged", but I don't know how to explain to them that when I don't pick the client seed manually, it's actually a random number.

Yeah some casino got fixed games, its very important for a casino site that got provably fair to prove that the site are honest about the result, if the site doesn't provide any information about provably fair then stay away from it, its recommended for you to find a reputable casino to play, we don't want a casino with provably fair but got problem with the withdrawal, always check the site before deposit and play

Just play on reputable gambling website to avoid getting scammed or even in new if you don't mind as long as they have provably fair system. But if you are talking about the results if they are fixed. Nope, as we say there is provably fair system you can always check the result anytime if it's legit or not. I, myself actually don't check it because I play on reputable site.

No, and if there is some operators who do fixed games the will not last for long

I think some games might be fixed but it's hard to prove this if you haven't gambled for a long time to connect the dots and sometimes it just might be some bad luck and people might say some games are fixed when its just not your day, to avoid all this just don't gamble.

Never knew i just kept thinking everytime i lose that i dont have the luck to win that time. I never blame the website everytime i lose because i usually win in online casino, My stats in diff sites are most green or positive.

The online gambling were designed with the algorithm that may have the house will have the more odds of winning but there were lots of people are getting win from those sites that is how the gambling will works,so I don't think there is any kind of fixed activity on the online games.

I do not want to comment on the state of a website in a gambling game. Because for me there is something much more important that all things related to gambling game then need a luck. Nothing is certain and there is no cheating in the game of gambling, all the related things must have been reminded from the beginning. The gambling game is closely related to luck and that is why many people say that gambling game has a huge risk that it could destroy the lives of its players.

I didn't know about this until today but if that is in indeed the case, I want to know if there is anyway to prove that some online casinos use that kind of algorithm to ensure that the game is really fair.

The purpose of me opening this thread was to spot the websites or games that are actually fixed.

I never meant that all websites do that. There are genuine websites with reputable team working behind it. They are already making good revenue on tables as commissions and they will not put their reputation on stake by cheating.

As many suggested you need to look for probably fair mark on a site as that allows you to verify the hash of your roll and tells you if the site knew about the result or not.
Well currently most famous casinos like fortunejack doesn't have a probably fair mark and they also have a fake license so i would suggest to stay away from online casinos

A mixed situation is always there, to me i play gambling for a long long time in physical casinos, now even play gambling online but still i never feel like that, may be in some cases or places online gambling games may be fixed but hope we are not expecting such thing everywhere. I think that in most places we can play online gambling very confidently.

It's a mixed situation because you can never know how much it is rigged or fixed and how many percent. I see in online casino sites that they have 1% - 5% fairness in their sites and I don't know how to verify that, and not verifying it means more mixed emotions about it. As long as there are people who believe in the site and has a great community with it, then it can be trusted in my opinion. Still, don't trust so easily and do your own research.

I also believe that every casino and online gambling sites has a percentage where it is rigged. The percentage that it is rigged grows higher the longer you play because I know the management has ways to monitor who is winning so much so they will surely do something to reverse the results that is slight unnoticable.

I think more companies outside the crypto space started to take a look at it as well. Provably Fair gives gamblers a hope that they are not getting screwed, hence people are looking for casinos they can trust, having provably fair on crypto gambling casinos are something we are used to right now because it has been around for years but regular casinos are trying to implement that and show people they are fair so they can attract more customers as well.

They are not fixed unless they don't claim they are provably fair. When they claim that they are provably fair, you can check with the use of provably fair verifiers. There are gambling sites that are not provably fair, I suggest that you stay away from them and there are also sites that claim that they are provably fair but in fact, they are not.

This is a good remark. Indeed there are such sites and that's why we shouldn't take any claims at face value, especially when dealing with newly appeared sites. Fortunately, it's not that hard to verify several bets. And reading reviews also helps, because we can't verify every bet (well, we can do that technically, but that would be hell of a game). Some gambling sites have such a good reputation that it seems unnecessary to verify any bets there at all, but of course you can do it from time to time, just in case.

Just be careful with a site that is less popular/not a lot of enthusiasts in it, and well., till now in my opinion looks more gambling sites such as the two-faced mask, looks so elegant/that attracts many people till many visitors and eventually., on the sidelines of many of their visitors do the cheating in the game, anyhow sometimes the game system can be changed by the admin. For me, I choose a site that's already lasting longer and more preferred by many gamblers.

One of friend on telegram said that poker room online games being watched by the support team guys and move who is doing sometime may be the bot also. Please be careful on investing card games. Then dice roll also most I do not have faith on investing and taking returns.

As my knowledge mostly sports betting only goes perfect than other gambling option you see online. If you think and want to go with the good gambling in sports betting integration there are many here, you may notice their signature here and there on this forum itself.

Dice is usually provably fair, despite the fact that some aren't really faie, you can check very popular websites which are really fair and their provably fair system makes them popular among others.
Also I want to mention that if you didn't win after some bets, for example 0.01btc High roll for 15x and still lose, this doesn't means game isn't fair, if you know math, everything is possible, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Personally I wouldn't trust Slots, they are real money making machine for casino owners.

Slots, dice, roulette etc - it's just a shell, which has pretty same math algorithms behind it. Literally any game can be made for cheat players from the code side. I'd say much depends on software developer and casino as the trusted ones most likely won't ruin their reputation for some extra profit as in long distance they make profits even providing fair game.
Constantly playing dice you may get bored, which is the opposite of the idea of gambling. :)

Sport betting is not fixed and the card and dice games were fixed? I don't agree with you,id the support team of the dice and poker site can change or manipulate the game then they will be the millionaire now then why they are working under someone?

Sport betting is highly fixed but it is not an online game we can bet online on any game that is going to happen.

Yeah dice machines and softwares can very well be manipulated by casino owners and operators. You really won't know since the results run pretty randomly, or so we think. Though i know most are legitimate, luck based games are more prone to this.

I don't think so. Because as what I have observed most especially to those dice game, they mostly rely on luck. So whether your lucky or not, I don't believe on a fixed games on online gambling.

Lol well looks like you are not aware about the site you are promoting, it also doesn't have a probably fair mark and it also makes several fake claims.

So are you suggesting us to avoid that site because of all the fake claims it is making and also claiming to he a registered casino but at the end has a fake license

Some of the gambling companies out there, especially the big on-line casinos, have a synchronous slot jack slot, given the scale continues millions, at least progressively. This is great for consumers, because when they get into a slot machine, they can become millionaires in every game.

Usually I trust on community feedback.

How do I search them ?
Well, I'm usually find on forum and social media. Since crypto gambling still new industry, we must be more selective before try to trust and start to deposit

I can't believe there is no site they won't have human intervention in the process even those that pride themselves as probably fair would want to make some decent returns to their investors especially those who have some crowdfunding system in place. But because they have garnered the trust of the community, after they have been tested several times, people focus on other issues like delayed withdrawals, change in policies, suspending accounts under the guise of security checks etc. Until one of them is caught unaware, we assume they don't manipulate the process.

However, I believe its not necessary to start doing those calculations because of waging some few amounts of satoshis and won't be needed if one had settle his mind to lose from the point of engaging in gambling in the first place as that would solve some high form of heart breaks.

I think its no . coz gambling in online is like in a gambling in persons the deferent thing that i know is you will buy a chip in online through money and you will pay it to them .

There are a lot of online games that are really fixed or rigged, but there are also a lot of sites or gambling sites that is not. You just need to be careful and always investigate the site for some loop holes you can see.

Most of the popular sites are mostly the most trusted sites so I guess you can use that as a way of telling.

I think there are way more gambling sites out there that are fixed than what you would think. The house always wins, and with online gambling, they can take advantage of this fact easier than ever. I do believe that many online sites are fixed, and even many provably fair sites are not really fair. I also believe the same thing with those digital slot machines that they have in casinos. I do believe some of these are definitely fixed. Even if they arent fixed perse, they are all really just random algorithms. And with computer science, nothing can ever really be truly random. So in some way, these algorithms could be fixed to greatly affect the randmoness.

Fixed gambling games do not exist, otherwise gambling sites would lose to the players and probably go out of business, because people are always searching and figuring thier way around the system and finding strategies that let them exploit things in a way to make them profit from gambling in them,

Not exactly. You can use bitcoin as chips if you are playing in a casino that allowed bitcoin deposits. Its not that you have to buy chips with bitcoin though that is also possible in some casinos. Its easier just to use bitcoins directly for betting. Also most sites which are provably fair has a clear algorithm of how to verify rolls. If you are having even the slightest doubt of the casino rigging the game then verify the rolls on a third party verifier.

A the casinos being advertised here are provably fair though some idiots tend to spread lies that some of them are not without any evidence whatsoever.

Many are newbies who lost money and because that they come here create account and complain about casino, gambling and everyone else. They don't have evidences, screenshots, nothing, only they word.
Casino don't need to scam people, losing reputation because of few dollars isn't smart, they lose customers and money for that. They have their ways to earn and more people on the site means more money, with bad reputation they can't grow.
I believe that casinos are probably fair, many times I lost and won, there isn't something strange about it, it's gambling, you need to win and lose. People shouldn't cry after every lose, before I deposit money in casino I'm ready to lose it all, to go to the end if necessary because that is gambling, play with what you can afford to lose.

That's the point, gambling house need to make sure that they have a fair system and they needed to established trust between gamblers, if they won't deal with that for sure they will lose every players around, since there's lots of options online it is needed to take it seriously and I guess they won't messed with this just to earned some dollars as they can earned that using the proper system.

Normally I restrain myself from promoting in my posts the sites I currently work for, but since you've challenged me about this, I will show you some information to consider.

Again, I'm not going to tell you with my own words how great the site is because from my point of view it may look tenuous considering that I'm wearing their signature. So what I'm going to do is show you what others think about the site.

1. Here's some articles about FortuneJack on CCN:

https://www.ccn.com/fortunejack-com-makes-online-gambling-fair-fun-easy/

https://www.ccn.com/fortunejack-offers-new-users-9-btc-free/

https://www.ccn.com/fortunejack-anonymous-gambling-professionally-run-and-provably-fair/

You may argue that those are sponsored stories, but if you are not aware of this I will tell you that sites like CCN, where "All journalists and editors follow the Code of Ethics of the Norwegian Press" would not risk their reputation by publishing articles without checking the information first.

2. Bitcoincasinokings in their article "TOP 16 Bitcoin Casino Reviews – July 2018" puts FJ on the first place giving it 96 % rating.

https://bitcoincasinokings.com/bitcoin-casino-reviews/

3. Gamblingbitcoin.com in their FJ review write the following:


and another quote from them:


https://gamblingbitcoin.com/fortunejack-review/

4. And another quote, but this time from Cryptoclarified.com


https://cryptoclarified.com/2018/02/14/the-best-bitcoin-gambling-sites-casinos-sportsbooks-the-official-2018-list/

5. Bitcoinchaser.com in their article "Best Bitcoin Gambling Sites of 2018" puts FJ among top 3 in the category "Best Cryptocurrency"

https://bitcoinchaser.com/best-bitcoin-gambling-sites

6. In their article from July 17th, 2018 Bitcoinplay.net ranks FJ #1 with 52 user ratings, saying the following about their license:


https://bitcoinplay.net/

Of course, if so inclined, you can find negative reviews about FJ online, but so you can about Apple, Coca-Cola or any other company big enough to have haters.

It's really hard to know, especially if at first look it looks like a fair fight, but in the end, it was just a trap. Basically, it is really easy to cheat when doing online gambling, unlike in the actual gambling game. Because it's really easy to find out if you are being cheated by someone in the actual gambling game unlike in the online gambling, you are being played while playing. You should really watch out for the hackers on the online gambling so that you can prevented on being cheated on.

They call it collusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collusion

I can't really recall but there are a lot of accusations going on about this on some online poker sites that indeed there's some collusion going on from behind.

As far as online this, as someone has said, usually online crypto games is provably fair. I'm sure that the OP is already reading about it by this time.  ;D

Lol man you seriously made me laugh today, you mentioned that ccn won't do some fake review just for some few extra cash. Well looks like all you did is copy paste some bullshit about your site, if you read the end of articles i saw this line

This is a sponsored story

Just a heads up all the articles you posted is a sponsored story so basically all that site has done is bought good reviews lol

But seriously thanks for making me laugh today and promoting a scam site or a site which buys good reviews lol

Go for Provably fair casinos where, you can verify your bets and can find out the legitimacy of every bet you make. If you ask me how do i spot scam casinos, I would say I don't bet on every every casinos available. I only play on a few casinos which are popular and trusted by users. Gambling board on bitcointalk is a best way to see user reviews and feed backs on popular online gambling websites.

The truth is..... Some of them are fixed. These are typically the newer sites that are looking to do either an exit scam, or slowly rig the games for as long as they can get away with (before then exit scamming). The older, more reputable casinos typically use the provably fair system to prove that the game is fair. If an online casino has been around for more than 2 years, you can be pretty sure it's not a scam.

There are sites available out there that are definitely fixing their games to win in their favor and one way to spot such sites is by looking if they have the provably fair "feature". It is a technical way of saying that every roll of dice, every outcome of their games and any lose that you acquire comes from the fairness of their website. You can search for it and see a more detailed explanation about it.

Other information that you could use in checking if these online gambling games don't provide fixed games is by looking at the legitimate feedback provided by different users across different forums. This way, you'll know if the website that you're using right now is rigged and should be avoided or not.

No doubt there are many rigged and unfair gambling sites out there. As a safe measure, just assume that every site is rigged until they can prove their fairness (provably fair). Almost every decent and big dice site offer a way for their user to prove the fairness of the game. That's where you should gamble your money.

So don't find the rigged ones but rather find the fair ones.

As a part of two gambling companies, I can say it's not, if it's a trusted site. There's definitely some scammers.

It is possible that we may have some good companies which are genuine to great extent and other where it is rigged and winning of the company owners are higher than yours or the participants. Also at the end it is a business for them and they want to earn money.

Correct but there are casinos that are long standing in the community and if you are going to play on some casino then you should visit those only. Not those new casinos which pop up every now and then - you never know which one was built for being scam.

Those who are making up stories with false claims about casinos will keep doing so only because they lost money there because they were greedy. If you cant control your greed then you will end up losing all your money. That does not mean the casino owner is a scammer.

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People are more interested in self-gains > when they dont get that they start complaining about the same thing that they put their trust on in the first place.

Yeah, those who made false statement about trusted casino are those player that can't accept defeat. They don't really understand how gambling works. Even if they know they are convincing theirself that the site is rigged because of their losses.

Oh brother when you know this is all about luck then why you aren’t making anything better in your life. Why you don’t leave this gambling and adopt some respectable and sensible way to earning. There are hundreds of sources of earning through which people are just making amazing money. You can do that too. Why to play with luck every day and getting defeat in a row.

The thing about gambling addicts is that they are aware of all these. They don't even need our advice for they have heard all of it. Now you asked, why don't these people leave gambling and do something worthwhile? The answer to this question is that they are bored and they have nothing better to do. Despite the consequences, they are still gambling just because that's what they are used to do when there's nothing to do. They are already comfortable in the amount of things that they know to the point that they do not feel the need learn a new thing. They got comfortable with their salary that they don't try to start learning new ways to earn more money.

To answer this thread's question, "Are online gambling games fixed?" Yes, they are fixed. They are fixed in a way that you're going to lose by the end. Why? Because as people, we only stop gambling when we have lost our money. When we're in profit, we don't really think of quitting. We keep on betting, thinking that we might be on a roll. The end result of gambling for us is fixed. We always go home thinking, "I should've cashed my money out when I still had that much profit. Now I lost it and I lost my bankroll as well. Well, nevermind, I enjoyed anyway. (now for justification of losing both the profit and money, we tell ourselves:) Isn't gambling for entertainment anyways? :)"

Many bitcoin gambling sites will allow you to verify the results so you see that they did not changed the results after the fact, however the most common way in which I have seen casinos to scam their users is by simply not paying what their users won, if you take the time to look at the scam accusations board you will see that is the most common complain among those that complain about casinos, however sometimes the casino is right in not paying their customers since they cheated or violated the terms of service of the casino in which case they are completely justified in not paying the cheating customer.

Its because humans want to say only what they want to hear. They wont say that the they were gambling and hence they lose. Nobody wants to make them-self look guilty in front of others and thus they will say that the casino was rigged that was why they lost.

Those who say so are idiots in the first place because if the casino was going to be rigged why did they even put their money in? The answer is simple - they were greedy for making money. But nobody wants to reveal their vices to public, do they?

Good question.
I think most are.
This is why smart-contract based gambling is growing in popularity.
However it has to be said that not everybody is instantly able to verify the nature of a smart-contract..

Let me share the experience related to this. There were two friends of mine whom I introduced to a card game websites. They both enjoyed playing there and then after some time, they decided to play together on same table. They used to pick games and then sit on consecutive positions on the table. Then they used to help each by sending cards the other person needed and so on. They were caught and all their balance was suspended. Both of them appealed and one of the account was given back. You know why the site did this partiality because that account spent about 100 times the other.

Some could be fixed and i am not holding brief for them but you can't also expect to get everything 100% fair without bearing some risk because the bookies are also there to make money and just like they are able to tilt the tables in the casinos they can also fix games or fizzle with some software code to their advantage.

I do agree with that knowing that the chance of the sports to be fixed are low (except on low leagues) but there are a lot of factors at play that could be of a factor to the betting sites and bookies. They take a percentage of something with the bets but with casinos, they have all the power and it could be fixed.

When a person gets into casino, either he wins or loses, this is all about a plan. The house has such strategies that this person gets attracted if he is a newbie. This attraction keeps on continuing and this man is about to be a victim of this destruction. Brothers, we lose here just to make someone else winner. Why we are doing it? don’t we know this is totally wrong?

Those people who lose money in gambling always think like that. They think that they have been scammed by the gambling sites, but I think that very little number of gambling sites may do that, if they will continue scamming people then people will not visit their gambling sites to play gambling there, people will then lost their trust on their gambling sites.

Maybe the fiat currency ones could be ?
We honestly wouldn't know if it was fixed or not, the movie runner runner with ben affleck and justin timberlake actually talks about an online casino that is shady and stealing from the customers itself.

However I don't know how feasible it could be, people who try to scam their users and make money by shady ways can get less users by time and slowly die, if that happens as a casino owner it is hard to continue your life the way you do and there could be some type of issues created by other shady people that allowed you to exist for so long. I think if you take into account how many shady stuff you need to do to scam people than you will realize that it is not an easy life to be in.

Some of these sites got their Source code leaked and you get white label copies of others, so you can go through the source

code, if you have the knowledge. Here is a guy who are trying to sell the Bustabit Source code,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3281183.0 - I also heard that some sites claim to be provably fair, but they are not.

I know for a fact that Brick n mortar casinos have some slot machines that are rigged and this is no secret.  ::)

Most of the reputed gamling sites were doing this,just holding the users fund after he win huge rewards and asking for the too much of documents to prove the ownership of that account.This shows that those sites are not manipulating the winners,if they can they will never allow anyone to win like that.

I'm not sure about that and I'm not a gambling player either. What I have in mind is that gambling games are a waste. It just makes the time we have. so do not ever think that gambling will get yourself close to success. Think that there is still a lot to do. Websites gambling is very diverse and has a high level of progress, but remember again that this will not be beneficial for the future that we will go.

Provably Fair. Anything not using Provably Fair I would be suspicious.

At the end of the day, gambling sites that have invalid logic, or aren't being fair fail quickly. All it takes is one person to whistleblow, and the reviews will take the site down.

Some gambling sites have their own verifier to make sure all bets are fair and if you think it's still not enough use a 3rd party verifier like dicesites (https://dicesites.com/provably-fair) they have multiple verifiers from different popular dice sites.

From my experience not all online gambling games are fixed there are games that are suspected to be fixed because you can't verify the bets. Few examples that can't be verified are slots and live casino games from 3rd party providers (those games you see on multiple casinos). I've read different opinion on these 3rd party games saying they're fair and some claiming that it's not. All I can say is that you always have the option to stay away if you think it's rigged.

I've heard of rogue online casino operators, and believe me there are so many out there. I've also heard of pirated online casino games that operate in favor of the casino. But I've never heard of "fixed online gambling games" although I don't doubt that they exist.

If you follow the bets / rolls, streaks and guide yourself from a probabily fair code check you will be able to verify your bets.
Try that in first place before assuming some Cassino is rigid / has fixed bets.

Well I think the question must not be like this. Everyone knows these gambling games are fixed. Even houses have proper algorithms with which they are moving every single day. They are much more generous to newbies because they want to attract them. But later on, when they start following this game just because they have earned good money in few days, fixed game starts.

When it comes down to losing money in casino everyone thinks that the casino is rigged and they wont be able to win back their money. While mabye a few minutes back they were the same people who trusted that casino with all their money.

Its human nature to be self-centered and thus this happens with every liberty seeking person out there. They know that the casino's bets are provably fair but will continue harassing mods and support team with complaints which ultimately have zero effect.

This is so hilarious to even think like this. Gambling isn’t about scam rather it is totally a scam. A scam that is open for everyone and people, although they know about this one, still getting into this world. They aren’t making themselves aside from this scam. I don’t know what is good in it, but I consider it a total waste of money and time and valuables that is attacked with gambling.

I think fixed can only be possible in sports gambling, casinos has house edge so in the long run we will lose.
We should accept that reality that we are just burning our money if we play in casino, instead of longing to be profitable, just accept the reality and enjoy what you spend.

any games that isnt provably fair can be fixed, casino's having house edge doesnt mean they always win in long run some people can be lucky and get away with it.
money is meant to be spend whether its gambling or not, money needs to circulate from people to people.

I am hearing of the word smart contract for the first time. Looks like it is not common in betting sites in my country as I never saw it mentioned on any site here.

One of the features that catches my attention is that they claim to have some certificate from an independent agency regarding the games being fair. But in the current age, even that can be altered or they may start to cheat after getting certified. Only government can ensure transparency with regular and surprise certifications of these sites.

Games in general aren't fixed because every casino owner does the math and that math is very simple. If you get 51% chance of winning after a million games you will always be on top, provided that you have high enough bankroll to deal with small, temporary losses and can run without being hacked or abused in any way. You will always make money and can keep running for years because your bank will keep increasing, so the whole system will become more and more robust.
If you start stealing and cheating somebody will find out and the money earned won't be as high as it would be if you could run the casino for a year or two.

With online gambling I don't find the events to be fixed even before the start of the game. May be this could be a true fact with some casino events, because it functions upon a programed way which has got more math in it. Also everything takes place behind, and none has a transparency of what is happening behind. Everything happening needs to be agreed on trust.

I'm not sure i don't judge to the online gambling owners  have a games fixed until there are no solid evidence No case because is anfair to them accussing without proof of evidence to a void this stay way playing online gambling.

Casino does not need to fixed games, their reputation is at stake, they have the edge and that is enough for them to win.
Gambling industry is a very profitable industry so we have to realize that reality, we gambling for fun because we will just loss our money anyway.

Very small or new casinos can be fixing games which is the reason why people stick to the well known ones that were reviewed by many people and have good reputation. Those will never scam you because the reputation is worth a lot of money. Much more than they would be able to steal from you. Be aware of exit scams though.

Just stick with reputable sites that have a long history of fair gaming.   You can find information and reviews right here on the Bitcointalk Forums. New Gambling sites may be questionable so it's best to only gamble with a small amount at first to test out their casino.

You can always use this forum as basis in finding game site where you can comfortably play your game, there's a lots of game house and we can't generalized if all of them are fair or if there's something like a game fixed site, its much better to play where you can find peace of mind and nothing
to doubt while playing the said type of enjoyment.

this could be good news for new people which want to try playing gambling. they can find on other websites too, and besides that, they can read the reviews from each people, so they know what site that they were searching. maybe you can try one by one the games so you will know the games that you want to play and I think that it will need many times before you can find what you want. but I think it is difficult to spot such websites because every gambling site will have their unique games, so we don't know until we've played the game.

I think the new casino's usually people not believe because once we lost our money there is no way to get back our lost. and yes some people will create a site to cheat people that's why always prefer old reputed sites. If you face any problem just report in this forum they will solve asap and i don't think all online games are fixed.

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Yes, this is a good strategy when moving to new websites but in theory most, if not all gambling websites should have fixed games, though this is not entirely applicable to all sites. This can also be check on their website under the section when they speak about provably fair games.

I couldn't agree more. We've seen that numerous times either here, on bitcointalk, or in the chat boxes on gambling sites. It is so common that people have even started saying it jokingly. I was saying it couple of times myself, but of course always with a smiley. :)

As long as provably fair casinos are around it shouldn't be even a question (I mean the OP).

Just make sure that you've find the trust site based on community feedback.

For example : I play primedice ,4 years ago and it still not get my trust until I find bitcointalk community putting positive attitude toward them !

If they have provably fair, no.

Although, I'd be suspicious of every single website you use. Don't just believe the provably fair, test it out.

Well in the end you should lookout for those scam sites giving out lots of profits (income) where in normal Cassinos you knew you would not get any.
Lets say for example "SPIN to WIN" sites like you get instant profits... That's like pure scam already.

If anyone is worried about online casinos fixing the players game result, the players should always try to search and play on a casino that have a legit provably fair system implemented on their games, that would allow the players to be able to verify all the games result and thus avoiding wasting their money playing on casinos that are scam.

Trust is the most important when we play in the casino games, and if every player should gamble straight it's certain to gain higher profit. There's no fixed potential winnings, because most of the time it varies depending on how good is the game you're playing of. Scam casino's will totally steal your money despite of how good are you in betting. Most importantly know what you're going to deal specially online casino, always had anonymous involvement to every unknown players.

You can use a dice site verifier provided by third parties to verify you rolls. All the big casinos out there are transparent about their code and they would allow you to verify each and every roll to be mathematically unbiased. They even allow you the chance to change seeds if you want. If a site is not provably fair, there is a high chance of it running away with your money so you should not cautious of such sites.

Sometimes people are not looking at the gambling industry from the other side. They tend to blame the casino for every loss while in reality it was just their luck.

Absolutely,they were blaming the gambling sites for their loss,they even know that they can't win all the times but they were still accusing them later for their loss,but we can't change that this is the human nature.

If games were reach then why the sites allows the high rolls to win,I saw there were lot of big rewards also win in the gambling sites.

How do you mean 'fixed'? Do you mean that there are websites for online gambling where a player never wins? Well, I'm on the side of saying 'the casino never loses'. I can't call any particular gambling site, I think each of them have this sin, but they give to win to some people in anyway, cause of if there is no winner at all the site won't be popular, and the target of every gambling site or place is to attract as much players as it is possible.

They house has always got the advantage but It is worse in the online casino Industry. I have gotten some shady hands and been beaten some shady ways. I do not trust slots or etc. I like to play cards and places with real cards so I know it is fair!!!

Casino industry completely doing many fixed games mate but most on crypto paying sites seems legit only. Here sometime you will find that online casino also doing the fixed games or back end monitering cum player in that game.
So please be careful while you invest on the gambling field. I do not suggest to anyone on investing on poker or casino. Betting may be your choice to get the fixed kind of games but not fixed one.

Yes indeed they give some winnings in some gamblers, they need to attract more players to visit their site, in some ways they can take the advantage since house edge already there then after that gamblers who will stay long have a chance to lose everything and get addicted no need for them to fixed and ruined their business.

Isee your point there and i agree on it when you mean basically that you like to play / gamble in a way you can see your odds as in real life viewing without any hideouts

On paper, trustworthy casinos cannot afford to cheat with games. There are heavy audits on the random generator system. However, I prefer live casino even online opposed to those "fruit machines".

Yeah it is good to verify the legitimacy of bets if we found something odd. I always does that. Provably fair is really a good technology. Most online casinos would stay so much long if they didn't have provably fair system implemented on their platform.

Yes it may be but in some cases and not in every match, otherwise the people will lose their trust and will then take no interest in online gambling games, for attracting more and more gambling to online gambling world it is necessary to provide them a fair gambling opportunities and to facilitate them.

Exactly. There are many gambling games which claim that are provably fair, but, they’re rigged. You just need to experiment with them, to determine if they're indeed provably fair or not. This applies to regular online gambling games which are controlled by a central operator. However, with the newest iteration of smart contract-based gambling games, it's nearly impossible to rig the game or cheat on it.

I've known of several online gambling games which rely on the Ethereum blockchain and are indeed provably fair. They're based on a coded mathematical formula which serve their purpose of being fair. Speaking of this, you should check out FunFair as it's based on the Ethereum blockchain with a few provably fair games.

To be safe, test out the game or simply read reviews about it, before placing your bets. If the gambling game is not rigged, then you can win if you keep trying. Just my thoughts ;D

There are big wins and there are big losses as well. If we watch only one side we would have a biased opinion. Both profit and loss happen and thus if a person is thinking of gambling they should consider the fact that even if the games are provably fair, the chance of win or loss is 50-50. Hence they should not gamble with their saving money or their monthly salary. If they do then its their decision to play. The casinos never force anyone to play.

On online as well they are trustworthy. You just need to make sure the games are provably fair. Thats all.

I think not all sports gambling can be consider as fixed. I am playing sports gambling for a long long time. even my more interest is in sports gambling, for most of the time I found sports gambling very fair and even make a lot of money from it. Therefore I do not think that sports gambling are always fixed.
 

As for me online gambling varies on their capabilities depending on how the game earns profitable winning. However players always trusted the game host as well as the team players came along the gameplay situation. Thinking about fair games, it doesn't have the assurance at all times because the game online has its own plans and strategies to follow.

Some newly and with low capital funded ones might really be scary and scammy however those are really showing themselves. However, the bigger ones, the huge casinos that makes a killing from just existing do not require to fix games to be honest.

First of all they mostly have provably fair which means there is no way they can be fixed because you can check if the seed is true or not and the result can be double checked if you are scammed or not. However they are already making a ton of money from just letting you gamble all your money away with the house edge protecting their rights, why would anyone want to ruin that ?

Why would they risk insane amounts of profits with something as silly as fixing small games?

Good comparison. Why should they damage fairness if they can make big profits in the long run. Maybe sites that intend to deceive their users with games that aren't truly fair are sites with overly greedy admin who want to make a profit in the short run.

Every game will have profitable winnings if they are lucky. If they are not lucky then they lose. As simple as that. Online or offline is irrelevant because that does not "vary" your luck in any manner.

True, but then fixed games cannot be discerned from non-fixed games. In most cases the games are played in such a way that audience will never understand the nature of fixing but the conspiracy theorists will always be there.

Thats a wrong assumption to make. Learn more about provably fair system of games before you say such things. Rest assured those sites which have been running from age old times are not fixed in anyway.

I think there are really scam sites but it's only a few but not all. There are sites which are transparent with transactions and you can check them legitimately. Also, friend referrals are a big help (especially if you trust this friend not to bring you to harm or be scammed). I guess you will know if you’re being played when you start to question the methods and once you have noticed a pattern.

What I understand about both online and traditional gambling is that their casino are mathematical setup. Although, we have a situations where some gambling site fixed their game but the only way not to be a prey is to go for licensed gamble site long existing with good reputation.


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Same as me, till now i have not faced such an issue like games being fixed.
I would just called them rather rigid.

That's certainly true, mate. It's always advised to check on a specific online gambling site before placing your bets on it. Some are fishy as they don't provide information related to bets placed by all the players, their bankroll, etc. However, others are transparent, which results in confidence from gamblers within a specific gambling site. There are many reviews available across the web which you can find related to gambling sites which accept cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin or even traditional ones which accept fiat.

While scam sites are usually associated with the acceptance of cryptocurrencies as the only medium of exchange, that's not the case, as there are a few which are truly legitimate (like the one under my signature). For greater transparency, reliability, and fairness, smart contract-based gambling sites are far superior than traditional online gambling sites. The probability of such games becoming fixed is very minimum due to the transparency of the blockchain. If you suspect that a specific game is not fair, you can always check its source code. The only downside related to games which rely on smart contracts, is the high fees of the blockchain network due to scalability limitations.

However, once they become perfect, then they could easily take the gambling industry by storm. Nevertheless, there are a huge variety of gambling sites nowadays which are provably fair and have little chances by being fixed by their owners. Just my opinion :)

Such things will be rare and the community around bitcointalk are quick to report such events. In case of any unscrupulous activity by any gambling site which is stealing their customers money, there are people who are vigilantly checking every site's provably fair algorithm. You can yourself do so in most of the sites.

Point is that some people dont accept the fact and claim that the casino stole their money when they actually lost their money for being unlucky but the rolls were fair.

yes, because sports gambling only relies on guess scores or the team we rely on. To win a match in a gambling sport really depends only on luck, although in other gambling games it depends on the same thing based on luck, but in sports gambling, we play not rely on special skills but only do research on the chosen team.

It's a known fact that some sport events are rigged, but gambling sites can do nothing about it, and, as far as I know, they has nothing to do with this malicious practice. I even read that Betfair, for example, has alerted dozens of sports about suspicious betting, helping to disclose some fraudulent activity.

Speaking of other games, like dice, plinko, roulette, slots, black jack, video poker and lotto, they are definitely not fixed on provably fair sites.

Yeah! Most of the sites that usually have fixed games, don’t last and this is the reason why it is always necessary to just make use of well-known sites to gamble. Sure, it might be a very hard thing for some people to understand what provabial fair even means and I have heard people say as long as it is an algorithm and it is manmade, it is subject to be programmed in a way that would always favor the house edge.

Well, it is still gambling and like you said, it is just a hard thing for people to realize that gambling is a game of luck and you are bound to lose more than you can win anyway.

That's certainly true, mate. Most of the claims made by gamblers where they have lost their money are simply mistakes from their part. However, there are some games which are fraudulent as they're programmed to make you lose every time without leaving you the chance to experience a winning streak. That's why it's best to check for reviews online about a specific gambling game you're interested or seek advice from reputable members of this forum.

For gambling games that are based on smart contracts, it's easy to determine whenever they're fixed or not by checking their code. However, most gambling games we know and love today, still rely on old technologies which rely on a central operator. Which is why, it is best to do your own research before deciding to place a bet on such games.

Hopefully, gambling games which make use of blockchain technology would become popular in the mainstream world as they're provably fair, transparent, and much more secure than regular or traditional gambling games which rely on a middleman. In the future, it's believed that gambling games would become fairer by using such technology for the benefit of everyone. Just my thoughts ;D

I am sure that there are some instances that these online gambling control the games. Maybe they just don't do it on every games but it could be on your way up where your winnings are so much that they have a feature that will alert them when it happens then they will make you lose or they could also make you feel lucky at the start so you'll just continue to bet but they already fixed it to make you lose in the long run.

What is generally important is to utilize gambling platforms with very good reputation for those who may want to gamble. There are some gambling platforms that are bad eggs and they are just there to fix their site in their favor even if they claim it is provably fair and those are the scam ones. However, for reputable ones, there is what the call provably fair with the usage of some mathematical algorithm to control the bets.

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The easy way is just to check if there are a lot of players playing and continues to, then that's the best way to see if it's fair.

Most online gambling dice sites or casinos are provably fair which is fair to gamblers. However, jackpot games are not provably fair and casino operators can increase the house edge by lowering the winning percentage of various prizes. Generally, it is safe to bet on games that are labelled "provably fair".

In such case i would always suggest you to go for the trusted gambling site rather than moving onto any such gambling platform offering ponzi schemes. This is  not the way gambling goes. Gambling has some certain rules and regulations and also the bets there goes on the demand factor which does not allow them to cheat but any ponzi gambling site which just want to scam their users can fix a match and can get the most out of you.

Untill now i have never came accross any such site so i think that there is no such site offering fixed games and gambles. The gambling should always go loyal because of some terms. You can predict a game before it is been played but you can't actually bet a exact gamble before the game starts.

A casino will always have the advantage atleast 52% of the time. They have to make money in order to give you money when you win. If you are worried about getting the disadvantage play a game like poker with other people. The only way Casino's make money this way is off of percentages of the pot.

You can also choose to do sports bets they make percentages off the pot this way as well. Thats what I do either your team wins or loses. No advantages!

A lot of people really do not understand the whole idea behind provably fair but the issue is that once they lose, they start assuming things are manipulated. This is gambling and it is a game of luck and really, there is absolutely no way anyone would want to invest their funds in creating a gambling site and want to run out in losses later on as it is a business for them. In this case, people should expect things would always be in favor of the owners at the end of it all but that does not make it less fair.

Well i think one thing we should understand is that there are people with the means and influence to manipulate anything and these will go to great lengths to exercise that advantage over others. So im not saying most online gambling games are rigged but they can be

You can only make some statement / believe in it, if there is no available bets validation for you to check on.

I think so, sometimes the results are so surprising. You have high confidence in a game and you end up losing out.

A good casino doesnt have to fix anything unfairly, this type of business is highly profitable just with a steady stream of customers.   Thats the main argument against corruption, they would not choose to shoot themselves in the foot.

Generally the safest places then are also popular, well established with a line of regular customers.   There will be review sites also I think.

Ask a mathematics student about fixed games but short answer is no, the odds stated are for real  The house wins by general usage

I wouldn't place my bets on those new gambling sites. I am not into trying out new sites and give feedback if they are good or not. Let the others spot which gambling sites are fixed or gives a sh*tty service, but for nowlook at those that are online for more than a year and received positive feedback.

Many people say that online gambling is fixed. I think those sites are scams and they will never let you win the game. That’s why their games are fixed and they have programmed games which will never let you win the game. But there are some sites which are very good and there you will feel fun like physical casino. I think they are good and there is no problem there of fixing.

To some extent I think it is fixed because as I know nobody made money from online gambling. It means that online gamblings are fixed and they will never let you win the game. When you start gambling for the first time, you will win several times. It doesn’t mean that you are playing well but it means that they are allowing you to win and then they take all your money.

It is provably fair and nothing is controlled except for the computer doing its thing, but do not get your hopes up because as far as I am concerned, this is an algorithm that has been written by a programmer, and I am sure it has been designed to be in favor of the house edge the more than the gamblers so as to increase the chances gambling risk brings and make it based more on luck for anyone who eventually wins. Moreover, no gambling platform wants to be out of a business in a short time anyway.

It is not bad to try new sites but I guess you really need to study them first. This is the reason why new gambling sites is so hard to be popular.

They have a lot of other gambling sites competencies and that competencies are the used gambling sites by the users. They trust these sites and it is hard for thrm to try new gambling sites.

While the number of gambling games that are fixed is quite low, they still exist with the purpose of scamming gamblers. However, with the enforcement of regulations by governments every step of the way, it's becoming quite difficult for scammers to devise such a move. Now that everything is slowly adapting to the latest trends in technology, we're seeing a wide variety of gambling games to play online. In some cases, there are games which are purely derived by randomness and luck (which are provably fair). But in others, the gambling site owner manages the win ratio himself, making the games completely rigged.

I believe that with the advent of smart contracts and blockchain technology, more gambling games would appear that are provably fair without the inherent risks of a central operator or middleman. Once this becomes a reality, then online gambling games would become fair once and for all, adding greater credibility to serious gamblers. Which means that the future of gambling is online, whereas physical gambling sites would cease to exist in the future. Just my opinion :)

Maybe you got a point there, but looking at it maybe online gambling is programmed to let you win after several losses. There may be several games that you lose and then win after that losses. It's all business in the first place, so it's just enjoy gambling and just make it a past time hobby and not get addicted to it.

Yes it is not bad to try new gambling sites but simply people do not like to lose their money that's why they choose only old gambling sites. once the new gambling site started to receive good reviews then people show interest to play in new sites. But i don't think all gambling games are fixed, still sometimes when we lose money, in the long run, we feel like this.

I think for the new gambling site can give some free bonus for every people who visit their site so people can try to play the game and I see that there is gambling site which still using faucet for people to continue to get free coins. and if they can do this and many people play on their site, I think soon, they can get good reviews like you said and this will attract more people to come and play in their site. but I don't know if the gambling game is fixed because personally, I don't take attention to this and if I can play the game without any problem, I think it's enough for me.

some things we need to know to avoid things like that by way of browsing on sites that you really trust and have trusted, there are now some improvements that the evidence provides digital currency as betting material or by providing investment services to attract enthusiasts.

You are wrong about that. People have made money from casinos and there are proofs of that. If you keep thinking like that because you are yourself losing then you are in a delusion.

Looks like you dont know what is provably fair algorithm. Most reputed casinos here have this algorithm in place and you can use it to verify the rolls to make sure they are not baised and the casino never had extra chance of winning that the player.

That just luck. If you win then its your luck and its you lose then also its because of your luck. The lies spoken by people online are often because they were losers themselves or they never actually took part in it. Dont believe in those but rather try to verify your rolls to make sure they are not rigged. Some scam sites are there but the reputed well known ones are not.

It is good idea not to play in new gambling sites. Much better idea is that never play online gambling. There is no fun and entertainment in online gambling. Most of them are scams and you will always lose all your money there. If you are an addicted gambler you should visit regular casino for gambling. Atleast there are no scams and the games are not fixed.

It is not about sports game but about online gambling. Sports gambling are different thing. You are right that all sports games are not fixed but if you think about online gambling then you will understand that why people are not making money in online gambling? The main reason I think that it is fixed and you will lose all your money in online gambling. Think before starting online gambling.

If that's your impression of gambling sites, then you sure are gambling in the wrong websites. There's so much gambling sites that are provably fair and have been running for years already. Stop gambling in new gambling sites that promise you new things like free bets or money backs. Online gambling is safe and fair if you take the time to find the right gambling site for you.

Visiting an actual casino might not be a choice to some. Some likes gambling in background while they are working in their computer by running an autobetting script. Some are far from the city and casinos are pretty much inaccessible to them. Others simply have no casinos because it's illegal in their country. While most simply likes being in front of their computer gambling at the comfort of their homes while sipping some beer and munching some junk food. There are also the introverts who naturally don't like associating themselves with other people let alone people who are in casinos. The constant loud sound in casino, people cheering/yelling, and the sound betting machines make might overwhelm introverts.

At the end of the day, it still depends on the individual's preference.