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Title: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: iammrash on July 23, 2018, 09:16:05 AM
 What's gonna happen if crypto get ETF approval???  All about bitcoin ETF  
  


Recently there's not a single member of this community who didn't heard about the ETF thing.. But Many of them also Have Question..  What is ETF???  And many have Question..  What's the benefit of ETF??  Here is the answer..


 What the hell is ETF??? ???  


ETF stands for “exchange-traded fund ” and describes a kind of investment fund where the price of assets like gold, stocks and oil can be tracked. These assets can then be traded on exchanges, just like conventional stocks. What this means is that investors have the option of buying and selling their holdings in this exchange-traded funds to other investors via the stock exchange.Just Like the other stocks..


What's the Benefits of a Bitcoin ETF  :o ???  


Now that we’ve got the issue of “what is Bitcoin ETF?” out of the way, let’s explore some of the benefits of having Bitcoins as an asset class on an ETF. One existing drawback to investing in Bitcoin is the complexity surrounding it. However, with the advent of Bitcoin ETF, the cryptocurrency will become open to a diverse set of investors. in the Trillion Dollar market place..

This means that the richest peoples and investors who were willing but  unable of the trust can now invest in Bitcoin the way they would do for mutual funds and pension funds.



 What will be the results of this ETF??    


We’ve established that as a result of the advent of ETF, the crypto market will have new entrants new investors. New investment firms..etc.. It is then expected that Bitcoin ETFs will cause the value of Bitcoin to a high level.. This is same with the occurrence in the early 2000s where ETF for gold was set up and the price of gold surged Rapidly overnight..
The same thing gonna happen with the crypto market too.. And we'll be able to see 40k-50k$ price of bitcoin if we got approval in ETF. And crypto market will become Trillion Dollar Market Soon ..  


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: DooMAD on July 23, 2018, 11:08:10 AM
And now, let's explain why ETFs are just more of what Bitcoin was built to replace.  

In case anyone hadn't noticed, the global economy is in turmoil because all the banks and other big institutional investors are constantly gambling on derivatives and other such financial instruments.  These instruments largely consist of repackaged debt obligations and IOUs.  Then, when they inevitably get their bets wrong, the public has to bail the banks out, the pension pots get raided until there's hardly anything left, the stock market eventually crashes and the traders start throwing themselves out of windows again.  Rinse, repeat.  That's literally how it works.  The global economy in a nutshell.  But whatever happens, it's ultimately ordinary people who don't realise any of this is happening who end up being the ones who foot the bill.  Yet, despite how ridiculous it all is, no one who's actively involved in this game seems to want to change it.  It's a terrible system.  It's so insane that you couldn't make this shit up.  It's a farce.

So someone created Bitcoin.  A pure system, with no debt.  And it's great.  No one can take money they haven't actually got to gamble with on bad debts.  But, instead of embracing this superior model, institutional investors wanted more infinite debt to gamble with, so they eagerly await the launch of Bitcoin ETFs IOUs where they can continue to speculate from the sidelines in the worthless casino they seemingly can't find the exit from.  Apparently that's too "complicated" for them.   ::)

They aren't going to be holding any actual bitcoins, they're just going to be playing with the IOUs.  That's their loss.    


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Xester on July 23, 2018, 11:29:50 AM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Pursuer on July 23, 2018, 11:35:16 AM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.

I disagree. there is only one possibility, price will definitely increase in case ETF is approved by the SEC. and it won't be because ETF is a good thing or anything like that but it would be because of Fear Of Missing Out and pure speculation that bitcoin should rise because ETF was approved!
it doesn't have to even make sense, people have to believe in it and then act on this speculation for the price to go up. of course there is positive sides to such approval by SEC too but that will be more of a long term effect.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: iammrash on July 24, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.
There is only one thing that can happen.. The first one.. Because the investors will more assured to invest in bitcoin with minimal risk.. That's what will bring huge investment.  And investment means increasing of demands.  And demands make price increase


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: iammrash on July 24, 2018, 08:38:04 AM
And now, let's explain why ETFs are just more of what Bitcoin was built to replace.  

In case anyone hadn't noticed, the global economy is in turmoil because all the banks and other big institutional investors are constantly gambling on derivatives and other such financial instruments.  These instruments largely consist of repackaged debt obligations and IOUs.  Then, when they inevitably get their bets wrong, the public has to bail the banks out, the pension pots get raided until there's hardly anything left, the stock market eventually crashes and the traders start throwing themselves out of windows again.  Rinse, repeat.  That's literally how it works.  The global economy in a nutshell.  But whatever happens, it's ultimately ordinary people who don't realise any of this is happening who end up being the ones who foot the bill.  Yet, despite how ridiculous it all is, no one who's actively involved in this game seems to want to change it.  It's a terrible system.  It's so insane that you couldn't make this shit up.  It's a farce.

So someone created Bitcoin.  A pure system, with no debt.  And it's great.  No one can take money they haven't actually got to gamble with on bad debts.  But, instead of embracing this superior model, institutional investors wanted more infinite debt to gamble with, so they eagerly await the launch of Bitcoin ETFs IOUs where they can continue to speculate from the sidelines in the worthless casino they seemingly can't find the exit from.  Apparently that's too "complicated" for them.   ::)

They aren't going to be holding any actual bitcoins, they're just going to be playing with the IOUs.  That's their loss.    
Yes there is possiblity of that too..But the bitcoin future trading is also same as you explained.. The Bitmex.com I'm talking about.. On the other hand getting this ETF will make bitcoin more reliable to invest to the new investors who were scared to invest before.. And that is really needed.. We can't claim bitcoin as a currency if it doesn't compete with other currencies in stocks.. That's what this ETF will do. So there is more positive expectation than negative i think.. and believe


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Haslett5236 on July 24, 2018, 08:50:04 AM
What is more update is that even the eth is also having its own etf and we also do see more and more funds are getting into the shorting or longing of btc. These are great funds and systems for fresh funds to get into crypto without a lot of knowledge about crypto.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Herlina on July 24, 2018, 09:54:38 AM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.
I think the first possibility will happen If the Bitcoin ETF is approved, I doubt the second and last possibility will happen because I have seen amazing facts about this

https://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2013/03/28/Photos/ME/MW-BA853_gold_e_20130328112552_ME.jpg?uuid=ceaa20e8-97bb-11e2-9d5e-002128040cf6

ETF approval will allow Bitcoin to get new investors and the history of the ETF's tremendous impact will make speculators more passionate


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: sitnibtc on July 24, 2018, 10:26:58 AM
I think the price will increase drastically. The approval of bitcoin will surely encourage more and more to invest.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Red-Apple on July 24, 2018, 10:52:57 AM
it is all speculation right now. ETF is different but i feel like at the same time it is similar to Bitcoin Futures that we had last year. by that time everyone was repeating basically the same things as big players gonna come in and bitcoin gonna go to the moon ($100k) and things like that.
i believe ETF will come and hype the market and we can see a mini bubble and a mini bear market afterwards.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: cuong1610 on July 24, 2018, 10:54:03 AM
What's gonna happen if crypto get ETF approval???  All about bitcoin ETF  
  


Recently there's not a single member of this community who didn't heard about the ETF thing.. But Many of them also Have Question..  What is ETF???  And many have Question..  What's the benefit of ETF??  Here is the answer..


 What the hell is ETF??? ???  


ETF stands for “exchange-traded fund ” and describes a kind of investment fund where the price of assets like gold, stocks and oil can be tracked. These assets can then be traded on exchanges, just like conventional stocks. What this means is that investors have the option of buying and selling their holdings in this exchange-traded funds to other investors via the stock exchange.Just Like the other stocks..


What's the Benefits of a Bitcoin ETF  :o ???  


Now that we’ve got the issue of “what is Bitcoin ETF?” out of the way, let’s explore some of the benefits of having Bitcoins as an asset class on an ETF. One existing drawback to investing in Bitcoin is the complexity surrounding it. However, with the advent of Bitcoin ETF, the cryptocurrency will become open to a diverse set of investors. in the Trillion Dollar market place..

This means that the richest peoples and investors who were willing but  unable of the trust can now invest in Bitcoin the way they would do for mutual funds and pension funds.



 What will be the results of this ETF??    


We’ve established that as a result of the advent of ETF, the crypto market will have new entrants new investors. New investment firms..etc.. It is then expected that Bitcoin ETFs will cause the value of Bitcoin to a high level.. This is same with the occurrence in the early 2000s where ETF for gold was set up and the price of gold surged Rapidly overnight..
The same thing gonna happen with the crypto market too.. And we'll be able to see 40k-50k$ price of bitcoin if we got approval in ETF. And crypto market will become Trillion Dollar Market Soon ..  

If this happens, I think this will be a positive sign for the future of BTC and crypto. People still need to wait until August 16 to see whether the BTC is approved by the ETF, I believe the value of the MOF in the coming time will increase continuously.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: a2zC on July 26, 2018, 10:41:11 AM
This discussion will help thousands to know deeply regard ETF what actually every BTC and Crypto enthusiasts will need to know now or tomorrow. ETF added a new flavor in BTC market which by many will develop the BTC market and make it easier to transact and trade. We just need to get the approval.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: alyssa85 on July 26, 2018, 10:58:47 AM
I don't think the ETF will get approved. All the same problems that existed last year (the unregulated and manipulated exchanges setting prices) still exist.

Volumes at the regulated exchange arn't yet big enough for the SEC to feel that the regulated exchanges are setting the prices.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: dothebeats on July 26, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.

I disagree. there is only one possibility, price will definitely increase in case ETF is approved by the SEC. and it won't be because ETF is a good thing or anything like that but it would be because of Fear Of Missing Out and pure speculation that bitcoin should rise because ETF was approved!
it doesn't have to even make sense, people have to believe in it and then act on this speculation for the price to go up. of course there is positive sides to such approval by SEC too but that will be more of a long term effect.

It still depends largely on what would the market reaction be. While most people are banking on the bitcoin ETF to be approved, without enough support on a possible push, it wouldn't be an increase at all. Most people see the approval of an ETF to be somewhat magical, while in reality if a large group of traders aren't believing on the effects of such, there would be a stalemate and no real crashes or increase at all. As you've said, it's pure speculation, and even with the approval of a 'big' event, what happens in the price will still be pure speculation, so assuming that it will definitely increase is somewhat wrong.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: bitfocus on July 26, 2018, 11:36:37 AM
they are stalling about Bitcoin ETF approval since years - I don't think they will allow it soon.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: bct9t on July 26, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
If Bitcoin gets ETF approval, then Bitcoin will be more profitable since it will be more secure. I think the demand will increase after getting ETF approval in many crystalline demand in the crypto market.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Pursuer on July 26, 2018, 02:32:27 PM
There are three things that are possibly going to occur if bitcoin ETF will be approved by the Securities and Exchange COmmission. The first is that bitcoin may increase in value because of the good news, 2nd is that bitcoins value will decrease in value or 3rd there will be no effect. So today what we have is only a possibility but we will see what will really happen only after it was approved.

I disagree. there is only one possibility, price will definitely increase in case ETF is approved by the SEC. and it won't be because ETF is a good thing or anything like that but it would be because of Fear Of Missing Out and pure speculation that bitcoin should rise because ETF was approved!
it doesn't have to even make sense, people have to believe in it and then act on this speculation for the price to go up. of course there is positive sides to such approval by SEC too but that will be more of a long term effect.

It still depends largely on what would the market reaction be. While most people are banking on the bitcoin ETF to be approved, without enough support on a possible push, it wouldn't be an increase at all. Most people see the approval of an ETF to be somewhat magical, while in reality if a large group of traders aren't believing on the effects of such, there would be a stalemate and no real crashes or increase at all. As you've said, it's pure speculation, and even with the approval of a 'big' event, what happens in the price will still be pure speculation, so assuming that it will definitely increase is somewhat wrong.

yeah, I agree. I actually have changed my mind in the past 3 days. I no longer say "definitely" increase any more. I think we may even see a drop although that depends on how the market reacts up until that point. the drop that I am talking about is the "sell the news" kind of drop which means there should first be a big rise prior to the statement from SEC regarding approval or disapproval of ETF.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: angelakrasnova on July 26, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
In my opinion, if approval does happen, bitcoin will go up rapidly, as the market expands for investors, and will be able to reassess itself and give people confidence, as a result of which there will be a large influx of investments.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Wall_Streeet on July 27, 2018, 10:07:52 AM
I think there's been too much talk about ETFs lately, but the rate isn't rising from that. I think you should be careful


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: FedorIzmailov on July 27, 2018, 10:13:54 AM
I hope that the cost of bitcoin will increase and reach new maximum values, but I agree that only after acceptance we can see what will happen to him in fact, perhaps this is another manipulation


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: xanaxxx on July 27, 2018, 10:20:45 AM
And now, let's explain why ETFs are just more of what Bitcoin was built to replace.  

In case anyone hadn't noticed, the global economy is in turmoil because all the banks and other big institutional investors are constantly gambling on derivatives and other such financial instruments.  These instruments largely consist of repackaged debt obligations and IOUs.  Then, when they inevitably get their bets wrong, the public has to bail the banks out, the pension pots get raided until there's hardly anything left, the stock market eventually crashes and the traders start throwing themselves out of windows again.  Rinse, repeat.  That's literally how it works.  The global economy in a nutshell.  But whatever happens, it's ultimately ordinary people who don't realise any of this is happening who end up being the ones who foot the bill.  Yet, despite how ridiculous it all is, no one who's actively involved in this game seems to want to change it.  It's a terrible system.  It's so insane that you couldn't make this shit up.  It's a farce.

So someone created Bitcoin.  A pure system, with no debt.  And it's great.  No one can take money they haven't actually got to gamble with on bad debts.  But, instead of embracing this superior model, institutional investors wanted more infinite debt to gamble with, so they eagerly await the launch of Bitcoin ETFs IOUs where they can continue to speculate from the sidelines in the worthless casino they seemingly can't find the exit from.  Apparently that's too "complicated" for them.   ::)

They aren't going to be holding any actual bitcoins, they're just going to be playing with the IOUs.  That's their loss.    

this is completely right. On the one hand, with ETF, Bitcoin price will grow indeed. But do we want to that growth? Are we here to earn money or support a movement? Majority choose the first option, I'm sure


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: erickkyut on July 27, 2018, 01:56:24 PM
According to ICO journal, there is 90% chance that bitcoin will have ETF approval. Demand for BTC will surely increase with big investors participating in the market and price is likely to go up as well as there will be less FUD in the market. All we can do is wait and hope for the best.


It's true. Once the ETF is approved, Bitcoin price will surely skyrocket! The Lambo dreams of the majority will be more possible. Aside from that, it will be highly recognize worldwide. The Crypto Era is now beginning! Let's hope that everything will be alright.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: bigdude on July 27, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
they are stalling about Bitcoin ETF approval since years - I don't think they will allow it soon.
Agree with you, it means sec is serious about it and really considering all safety nets
approvals take time, rejection is quick


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: darkangel11 on July 27, 2018, 07:07:09 PM
Don't take what OP is saying for granted. It's not going to jump to 40-50k USD just like that purely because of one ETF getting approved. There are various companies trying to achieve it because whoever will be the first will get the first wave of investors and we all know that this first wave consists of people who were eying this opportunity for years. There's big money at play on both sides and I believe that even politicians and members of agencies are playing the market. Nobody will miss an opportunity to make money, especially on a secure and regulated platform. If they approve 1 ETF the others will use the approved project as a template to make sure they'll get approved too.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: almaroof on July 27, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
Thanks alot  for this piece of information as I was ignorant of what bitcoin ETF was.. My question is why was this idea rejected by SEC??  Are they enemies of cryptocurrency?


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: cryptohunter on July 27, 2018, 07:42:59 PM
the commissioner wants it through anyway

her argument seems convincing and it seems the sec are over stretching their mandate to refuse it

the winkies may have had a weakness in their proposal that the others can null ie taking price from an average of the top exchanges and not just the price on their own exchange

that is what someone told me whether it is correct or not ... I have no idea.

Nice to believe that is possible though.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Tory-Tory on July 28, 2018, 08:42:51 AM
The excitement of ETF will definitely affect the growth of the crypto-currency market, it is inevitable. New players will come to the market, and this is a sign of market growth. It can not be otherwise.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: Aleshia696 on July 28, 2018, 08:49:40 AM
ICO journal predicted a 90% chance of bitcoin on an ETF approval. Price is about to rise in the market even more. Hoping for the best to happen.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: GoldenShark on July 28, 2018, 06:53:51 PM
First of all if it happen it will be great new for us. I think three think will happen if it approved by SEC. The value of bitcoin may raise. Secondly Many people try to invest in bitcoin. Finally it will change the market position. I believe sec will approve ETF.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: ShakingCoin on July 28, 2018, 06:54:32 PM
From my point of view I believe SEC will approve ETF. I think SEC have to approve this think because of three things because firstly value is increase, secondly new investor like to invest here and last but not the list market situation will change. So SEC will approve it definitely.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: muslol67 on September 04, 2018, 08:05:23 PM
Whether the ETF is positive or not. Bitcoin will keep going again. However, if it is negative, it will get stuck for a while. ETF expectant always pulled up the price. Moreover, this latter is much more important.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: drachman on September 04, 2018, 09:38:34 PM
We're probably going to get a spike in the price of bitcoin, however I really think this is going to be short lived but it is going to push the price higher than the current levels, this will be the perfect opportunity to exchange your bitcoin for altcoins because I do not think that altcoins are going to go up in value because this is a news that only involves bitcoin.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: pooya87 on September 05, 2018, 01:07:35 AM
this will be the perfect opportunity to exchange your bitcoin for altcoins because I do not think that altcoins are going to go up in value because this is a news that only involves bitcoin.

you meant to say "exchange your altcoins for bitcoin"! in other words sell your altcoins. which is what i agree with because i don't see any scenario that altcoins can be a good investment in the coming month. there is just a certain number of scenarios and each one are the same more or less.
if bitcoin rises, altcoins usually drop which means you shouldn't be holding them. even if they don't drop they still wouldn't be able to rise more than bitcoin which again means you should be holding bitcoin.
if bitcoin drops the  altcoins will definitely get dumped. this is the most obvious case which you shouldn't be holding any alt in it.


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: btcCoincart on September 05, 2018, 01:19:43 AM
Thanks for your information! But ETF is not the same purpose how bitcoin was born! With ETF, people get butcoin into one place, and make it not decentralized as its purpose at the first time. So I think ETF is impossible for bitcoin :)
How about you guys?


Title: Re: What's gonna happen if Bitcoin gets ETF approval??? All about bitcoin ETF
Post by: looking31 on September 13, 2018, 12:09:14 PM
 What happens in the case of fraud? ... and Europe if financial innovators aren't allowed to bring products to market that grow ... Bitcoin ETFs will make it far, far easier to buy Bitcoin in a space that is currently rather convoluted. ... Coinbase or try to get their head around digital wallets with encrypted keys, etc.