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So bitcoin just keeps going up and down and still not reaching much lower than 6k but everytime these surges with bitcoin happen alt prices keep taking a dive. Even though it seems like when bitcoin takes a dive alts take a dive when btc raises alts take a dive.

Does anyone know why this keeps happening like this usually once money comes out of btc it goes back into the alts and the price raises again but it does not seem to happen like that now. I have lost a lot more % in alts than if I were to just hold btc.

Looking for opinions and suggestions on this subject?

I think the buyer and player jump on bitcoin market. So when bitcoins pump and dump, many players enter the market and start leaving Altcoin. we need to learn, That we should know when we are in altcoin market and when we should be in market bitcoin.

The current market worries me so much for its low speed of restoring. I believe that altcoins' prices will increase soon and there will be more chances for working.

Lesson, invest most with bitcoin and not with altcoins.

There has been significant movement with bitcoin market and as you can see, when bitcoin pumps alts are going to pump too.

Yes, I had observed that this is not the same market movement as before where btc goes up, alts may had followed next. However, in the current scenario, market movement is different since altcoins has not been pulled up as bitcoin was increasing. For now, the market improvement seems to be adjusting on its own and no longer has a correlation with each other same as before.

The problem is that Bitcoin offers little in the way of utility and its only use is as a store of value based on scarcity. This leaves it open to speculation. The fact that it exists only as an option on financial markets makes it easy for people to profit by shorting Bitcoin and offers little opportunity for by and hold investors to invlove themselves because the SEC keeps shooting down attempts to create a Bitcoin ETF. Unfortunately the Altcoins still trade under Bitcoins shadow.

Well, I also noticed the same think and I think the reason for this is probably due to the fact that there is low demand for altcoin as investors are selling and buying bitcoin rather than giving more support to altcoin but I believe when the bull run starts, altcoi price will increase.

The best suggestion is to HODL and wait patiently. If you decide to sell than sell shit coins and get good ones that will tank once everybody transfer their btc to alts , and that will happen for sure one day. i dont believe that bitcoin will continue to tank so much more . its already 50% of the whole crypto market. Maybe little more and than boom all in alts

nobody knows exactly WHY this is happening but there are a lot of guesses, some of which i agree with. but the only important thing is to remember this trend exists and will always happen, or at least in 99% of the cases:
bitcoin up => altcoins down
bitcoin down => altcoins down

nothing else matters, knowing this you can always make profit.

Investing in altcoins are also a good way to gain profits, there are many altcoin with a promising features and great potential but of course bitcoin will be the best than altcoins. Invest in different coins not just focus in one.

I think now a lot of people who are now at a loss, I myself really look forward to when the growth of alts will go. I would like by the end of this year at least to reach the same level in my portfolio, which was at the beginning of the year.

I can not determine the reason
But the market is volatile and there is news here and there
But it is certain that Bitcoin is King and the Altcoins beyond
However, one of the altcoins sometimes wins against bitcoin

Yes, now there is a lot of panic sell on altcoin. they are scared and switch on bitcoin until bitcoin can be a little pump.
now bitcoin is so volatile and I think it is still a game for popes.
just hold it and we will know someday bitcoin achieved its glory again.

Bitcoin takes the lead and when it wants to gain price, it is faster than any other coin or token. But that has not taken the shine off other altcoins. The major issue I see is a glut in the market. Investors are torn between existing tokens and coin, between new ICOs and the existing one.

When mainstream currencies begin to rise, especially Bitcoin and ETH, they will rise a lot, and of course they will rise even more. It's not so the Shanzhai money. You have to be good at analyzing.

Maybe not the right time altcoins pump. I have the same opinion with you, do not understand what is happening to altcoins.
In return, when the price is low altcoins is also an opportunity to invest.

I agree with your opinion that this also bothered me, my portfolio sank very much because of such situations. Last year, bitcoin pampilsy and with it and all the crypto-currencies and right now a very healing picture on the market is drawn. Bitcoin grows all the coins are falling, bitcoin drops everything falls. Only if bitcoin is kept in flat altcoin grow.

When people move money from alts to bitcoin, alts go down. If bitcoin goes up doesn't necessarily mean alts will go up, it could simply mean money is being transferred to bitcoin and people are changing their position.

Altcoin price are depends on Bitcoin growth because all the investors are buying the Bitcoin as well as altcoins so if they move to downward automatically altcoins are moving down. But current scenario all the investors are buying and selling the Crypto because trading is the profitable business. But some peoples are panic to participate on Cryptocurrency so who believe the altcoins they will succeed in trading.

This time, many left the altcoins to buy bitcoin .. Generally, if you look at the general atmosphere in the cryptoworld now, many are already tired and are afraid to do any actions... sell or buy, most just wait ..

yes indeed in the current situation all that can be done is just waiting as I can't do anything but wait for the altcoin price to rise

As usual, you will not learn anything new. While the bitcoin is moving up and down, the altcoins are always at the bottom. As soon as the bitcoin price is in flat, the price of altcoins goes up.

This is not the first time we have this kind of situation in the cryptocurrency market and I could remember back in the year 2016 when market correction then, the altcoin market was experiencing the samething as now. However, majority of people bitcoin surge in price was the caused which I pretty disagreed and I want you to know that altcoin will pump when the time is right but not all altcoin will surge cause some altcoin will crash out of the market soon.

Hope you invested in the right altcoin though.

When the Bitcoin price is high, people will sell Altcoin to buy Bitcoin. That is normal. If you want to invest in an Altcoin then invest in altcoin top 100

Altcoin does have a significant degree of risk compared with Bitcoin. Altcoin prices are very easily influenced by various things and also when the price of Bitcoin increases automatically, the price of Altcoin will decrease as well. This is a thing that cannot be avoided. For anyone who wants to try investing in Altcoin, they must be able to make decisions well and also determine the right momentum in making decisions.

This is a nature of crypto market. This period every year i saw btc and altcoins are down lot. But thrid quarter ithink market will be stable and prices will be up. This days made panic sellers and market getting down. But now suitable for buy.

The price of altcoins at the moment is tending to decrease due to the impact of negative news, especially news from the SEC. This time there was a BTC rate increase, but altcoins fell dramatically. So be calm and continue to hold altcoins until the end of this year. Because the cryptocurrency market will recover soon!

This is a tough question to say with certainty.
If bitcoin goes up alts could go down. And alts can still go down it Bitcoin is down.
Looking forward to the day when market based on really utility and less on speculations.

     Yes that is true Bitcoin price as of now was already out of the crash and it climb to almost $8500 then it goes down to $7400,so this movement shows the volatility behavior of Bitcoin but still dominant the cryptocurreny and regarding to Altcoins like Ethereum are still stagnant at lower price since it is not dependent to Bitcoin.

Of course it depends on their capital to put an investment. Bitcoin is good for long term investment and altcoins it might be short term or long term, more percentage of investment in bitcoin will be great decision. But you need to split your money in different altcoins not only in one coin like ethereum etc.

Well, the altcoins price still follow the BTC all time long so far. Seen from the coin market, the movement of the altcoin price is still very small. Today, some coins started to be green although actually they don't reach their price as some days ago. They really drop immediately in that fluctuating market.

Besides that I also agree with your opinion that this also bothered me, my portfolio was very sinking because of such a situation. Last year, bitcoin was featured and with it and all crypto currencies and now a very healing picture in the market is taken.
Bitcoin spawns all the coins that fall, the bitcoin drops it all down. Only if bitcoin is stored in altcoin is it flat growing.

It's also a good way to profit but don't forget that if you don't add bitcoin on your portfolio.

When btc dominates the market which happens usually, your coins are going to suffer like what happened.

Altcoin prices today decreased too much but we are still hoping that someday for the near soon it would rise again like a bull run for sake of my fellow investors who are seeking to have great profits in the future.

I have lost a lot more % in alts than if I were to just hold btc too. And I'm still waiting and I believe that soon the bitcoins will turn into alcoins.

I don't think altcoins are worth investing because they have large price fluctuations. There is a huge risk, you may lose a lot of money.

The problem is that the price of bitcoin has not yet stabilised, when it starts to go flat then investors will switch to altoins. As bitcoin is going up and down so frequently they are trying to short it and accumulate more.

Most of the investors, I think 49% of crypto investors are into bitcoin right now that is why bitcoin is taking a little raise while on the other hands alts keeps declining cause I what I have said that investors are into bitcoin they are keep selling their alts to make an investments for BTC.

The bear market does not end once the coin reaches the bottom, it may stay around for even years so $6k might be real bottom but btc can still keep fluctuating there.

I think we should be calm and patient.
If someone worries and sells their altcoins off at this moment is a huge mistake.

A lot of altcoins depend on Bitcoin's price. When the bitcoin rate starts to increase, investors' interest to the whole crypto currency market increases and they also begin investing in altcoins.

This is crypto market for you - there really isn't any logic behind what happens here. BTC goes up -> people sell alts for BTC for some gains. BTC goes down -> alts go down 'cause their value is really tied to BTC. You just have to wait the bull market in this mess.

the short answer is people are cashing out and we desperately need investors to cover all that sell-off. btc is still the safest place to be in crypto, so a lot of people are moving to btc, and that's why it doesn't drop too much.

If you're an investor in bitcoin then you don't have to worry about a thing because this is only the start of bullish market these BER months. I think bitcoin's fluctuating price is due to companies investing with a lot of money that, in my observation and opinion, they only want to make profit for a short period of time, then it turns out that they got tired or somethin, it was just a matter of timing and who goes first or something.

In my opinion, all those related to crypto must have a risk, especially the market conditions that are still not improving and all coint prices have decreased, and we certainly hope this condition does not last long, so keep patient

To be honest most of the altcoins perform based on the performance of bitcoin as the fluctuations in the value of bitcoin fluctuates the value of altcoins because most of the exchanges takes place through bitcoin.

I think that prices for crypto change always, which makes it difficult to follow them. You need to be aware of the fluctuations but don't take it seriously and don't have negative emotions

Bitcoin still remains the No. 1 crypto currency. This is why all the altcoins are subject to his influence. Many more traders sell altcoins paired with bitcoin, this also affects the course.

I do not agree with you. The price does not depend on the ETH's only Bitcoin rate. So all based on this technology. Here you can see dependence strongly.

This is new market. Too many coins that we don't need, so while they are useless, their price will dump. I can't wait to see when my alts will gain profit and give me some X.

At the time when I was making this post, the altcoins rate was in the downtrend phase with the price down to $ 400, a reasonable exchange rate could be invested in. And by Q4 2018, the exchange rate of the whole market will recover, and I believe that I will be profitable.

It is obvious that bitcoin is the determiner of the prices for all the other coins in the crypto market. A change in the price of bitcoin significantly affect the prices of almost all the coins. Bitcoin nowadays has been experiencing price decrement and this has had a negative impact on the altcoins.

I think all the worry about alt coin prices is getting a bit outta control.  The good alt coins will surely rise by a large amount once the bear market is over.  If you have a solid project then sit back and relax and ride the upcoming wave.  Good alts will outperform bitcoin. 

I feel altcoins should not be generalized because every project have its own different price and uniqueness, there are some projects that are really doing well, while some not doing anything. So I will conclude by saying altcoins are good. we only need to study a project well before investing thats all.

When people see a 'bullrun' in btc, they usually cash out their altcoins into btc

Even most of my coins reduced its value more than 500% of its original bitcoin investment but still I am optimistic on this . I have seen several worst dip the major one was when bitcoin bull run happened and reached 20000$ most of the altcoins value reduced more than 10x of its original vale then after few months it given more than 2x profit . So still I am telling patience is the key of your invested in right altcoin. The major mistake people are doing in crypto market is not researching enough for investing in proper alt coin. If you have confident enough and you know the solution behind the altcoin then no need to worry .

They have been thinking to take the opportunity from the bitcoin bullrun and then if there will be a little signal about the price of bitcoin gets decrease and they will be moving their funds to the altcoin again. But it's still unpredictable and this was based on the usual chart of the bitcoin itself.

i believe it is mainly because each time that bitcoin makes a move (rise or a fall) all the traders in the whole market (note that i said traders not newbie bag holders!) turn their attention to bitcoin. this can be moving their bitcoins to BTC/USD market to sell before the bottom is reached and buy back at the bottom or moving their money there to buy bitcoin at the bottom if they have money which can be the money they gain by dumping their altcoins.
pulling money out of altcoins means they can easily go down. which is what happens each time.

The market of crypto currency is constantly changing. And every time he begins to behave differently. Therefore, it is necessary to constantly adjust to the market. And if it's done, success will be.

If there are good coins you can make a good profit. I like that too. we must be able to choose coins

Alts are bleeding right now due to panick selling, my hunch is because of the recent bitcoin ETF. Nonetheless, this is a good time to accumulate as we know that this state of the market will not last long. Altcoin season might just be just around the corner.

i would invest a lot in bitcoin if i were you and hold it for the time being. if you knew you would lose better hold it or you can sell and buy again.

I think that they will reach the top, the main time that must be tolerated. Altcoin and bitcoin are some of the most stable and fast-growing coins. It depends on how you do it, you need to do everything with your head and study it. What they want to block, of course, is not correct.

The price of counterfeit COINS must have fallen with the price of BTC. The current declining market is no longer suitable for buying altcoin.

Wow this thread really blew up since the last time I checked (it had 1 reply) Thanks all for the interesting opinions.

Yea it seems like right now if btc goes up alts down btc down alts down. I remember back in jan btc went up alts down and then btc went down alts up. I'm waiting for that to happen again and I will be cashing in 90% of my alts for BTC or tether and waiting for the market to dip again :) I'm just not sure how much longer we will have to wait for the market to become bullish again I hope it is soon :)

A change in the price of bitcoin significantly affect the prices of almost all the coins. Bitcoin nowadays has been experiencing prices.

Basically, the thing that determines the price of BTC is the buy/sell orders amount on a given exchange(s) on a given moment by a person(s) who decide to buy/sell Bitcoins.
We have had a rough month 'cause people execute big BTC sell orders (1000+ BTC at once). The liquidity is just not there to comfortably sell this amount without moving the price too much.

Altcoin prices were very low compared to the ath price of each and every altcoin available in the market. The price drop doesn't mean a failure it show the lack of resistant to withstand. Such levels of price fluctuations over the past has helped it gain resistance and pump high. Maybe this time too similar price pumping can happen in the falling months as every year marks a big growth by the last quarter of the year.

Yeah, as time goes by crypto currency going down its value as the market are really affected. Also, we try to hold some altcoins that we have since it was so cheap ang hoping it will increase. Those users have more btc as well as eth are really have big rule in order to move tremendously the value but due to those users experience decreasing value they have no choice but to sell as they afraid they have more loss of their different shares.

Since cryptocurrency is so volatile, as of this day prices of altcoin is on low mode the market is colored red. It's the season for investing on the right altcoin. And how to choose the right altcoin? Read the details on this forum and trust your instinct.

There is no concrete answer on why alts go down while btc goes up, but it's pretty clear that investing in btc is way much better than investing in alts.

Alternative cryptocurrencies' prices are not increasing very fast now, they are not increasing at all I think, but there are a lot of predictions for thier jumps soon.

the price of altcoin has declined whether it will recover now is a phase of a lot of feelings felt and really hit with a situation like this

     Bitcoin price was going up and down,since it is very volatile, this is because of so many supporters and users but it is not similar to altcoin because alt have only few supporter and user , so it seems it is stagnant in low price.

this is what happened in this less than a year period. I don't do a lot of activities to invest. but the current market pattern can be learned because in every setback it is always tucked in growth even though it is small and does not last long. however, if you trade fast, you will have the opportunity to create profits. so you have to survive to reduce losses due to the past.

So the price of Altcoin is currently decreasing too much but we still hope that someday soon it will rise again like a bull run for my fellow investors who are looking for big profits in the future.

Everything is possible, but we can wait for the "green wave" a few months or even a year. But the times when the cryptocurrency earned 1000% for a month in the past.

When the ptice of bitcoin is cheaper than ussually.i think people interestedbinvest his/her money in bitcoin

it's time to invest in a number of potential altcoins because the price is still calm under the possibility that there will be an upward movement by the end of this year

investing in the Altcoin is an excellent way to make a profit, a lot of Altcoins with huge growth. as for me it is necessary to invest and have patience

Several reasons. Prices of altcoin (i am not talking about top altcoins) never goes higher in the shortrun unless there is an even that is taking place which benefits the crypto market. The event encourages the price to rise since people starts to invest on different altcoin as much as possible. Now, the main reason why altcoin price drops when the price of bitcoin rises is because, people sell off their altcoin to get those bitcoin. Thus dumping of altcoins causes the price to fall and buying those bitcoin causes the price of bitcoin to rise.

I still have my altcoins investment but haven't invested in anything. I think it will go down more and I can wait a little.

Altcoins been dumped a lot, and bitcoin dominance is more than 50%. However, today market represents well, alts growing more than btc, but they drop heavier also. Still many alts have a bright future, surely most of them will go nowhere and stronger projects will replace them, surely most of them are not on the CMC yet.

I'm also confused about what happens to some big altcoins with a very sharp decline now, because as you say a little down with Bitcoin is like 5%, then altcoin can drop by 15% then if Bitcoin still continues to decrease by 2% then altcoin still experiencing a decline, we see prices in January and comparing prices with current prices so far the difference is whether we have to keep holding BTC rather than having to hold the altcoin whose prices are always decreasing.