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Ever since I was put on DT2 (around March I think), I've been thinking about how to use it without abusing it. So far, I've only used my DT2 red trust for hacked accounts, scammers and spambots. Yesterday, I left the first green trust to 8 people who joined my 10-10-10 altcoin experiment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024536.0) 10 months earlier, and paid when required. I left neutral trust for a nineth person (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1147688) who has 3 non-DT ponzi-accusations against him. It didn't feel right to leave him green trust, even though our deal went well.

I think I'm being fair with my trust, and if anyone disagrees, feel free to post here.

Today, user elsie34 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1398528) left me this feedback, which made me decide to open this topic:


I don't recognize the username, and I don't think I've ever interacted with this person. The Comments sounds positive, but the color is negative. I've left a PM earlier today from LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546), asking if this was some how a mistake, but so far without getting a response.

I kinda want to leave red trust in response, but it doesn't feel right to (ab)use DT-powers to do so. On the other hand, I obviously don't trust someone who leaves me random red trust without any reference link.
So, I'll leave this question for the community: what to do? This question has been answered ("do nothing"), thanks!

Update 2: it was a mistake (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4826180.msg43755405#msg43755405) and the red trust has been removed.


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Contrary to most of my threads, this one won't be self-moderated. I don't want to be able to censor this thread.
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Don't leave retaliatory feedback, even if they're wrong let them be. if you want to tag people like that then you are no different than ogy and other trust abusers. I can vouch for you to be fair with your trust ratings, you don't bully people, you don't use DT for financial benefit of your own business like almost every other DT.
IMO other DT members should ask the opinions of community members first before tagging anybody but they all think that they own this place and that they are always right.

My zero satoshi.

I would advise you not to leave a retaliatory feedback just for that.  If you were not on DT, it might be arguably OK but my feeling is that you have to pull back a lot when you're on DT.  I don't even look at my feedback much; I'm sure I've got negs from people I've never dealt with or even left trust for.

When I occasionally make sales threads, I usually specify in the terms that it'll be a neutral-feedback transaction so that I don't get people wanting to deal with me for a positive one.  I haven't given out a lot of green trust since I got on DT, maybe 3 or 4.  I think that's being prudent.

It's good you're asking about this.  When I got put on DT, Lauda made some very useful suggestions, but he/she doesn't seem to be around much anymore and it'd be great if she/he responded to your dilemma here.

I would ignore that person. I don’t give much credence to those who leave retaliatory negative trust. Those types of ratings are common and abbr ignored. If there is any evidence to backup his claims in his reference (he didn’t leave one, but if he did) you would want to respond to defend yourself, not leave a negative in retaliation.

In general, I would say a negative rating in response to any kind of criticism is inappropriate and would look at anyone who leaves a single such rating with skepticism. In extreme cases, this may be appropriate though.


In regards to your positive trust policy, I would suggest that you not give a positive rating for every transaction you are involved in. If you risked money in a transaction (intentionally or not), you should leave a positive rating. If you have traded with someone many times (either directly or as an escrow agent), and the person acts professional and otherwise appears trustworthy, you may want to consider leaving a positive rating— you need to use good judgment in these cases, and you should be confident this person is not trading with you to get a trust rating.

I agree with this; the people who took part in your 10 person experiment did not do anything notably trustworthy.

I wouldn't say I understand the trust system very well, if I would then perhaps I could save my account from the neg by hilariousandco. Anyway it's irrelevant here.

Being a DT is a great responsibility. You are one of those trusted member who are representing the entire forum reputation. It's good to see that you think twice before leaving a feedback and I hope all the DTs do the same, even after they leave a feedback (heads up to marlboroza (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4598987.0)). There could be situations where you could be wrong for your judgement and admitting it - is not gonna make you less respectful.

The feedback from elsie34 is an untrusted feedback so it does not matter. Seems like the person wanted to give you a positive one but end up selecting the wrong option. I used to leave a neutral trust if I felt that I was given red for a wrong reason (now a days I don't even care ever since I got the red and another neutral from Lutpin. The Lutpin one did not affect me much mentally but the hilari one destroyed me mentally) to explain why I was misjudged. I think leaving neutral is ok when you see you need to defend a red. Leaving red to defend an unnecessary red is kind of abusing the trust system especially when you are a DT coz your trust counts.

Well-done on the topic.

Correct, for a non DT it's ok to do whatever they want (use/abuse of anything), nobody counts but once someone become a DT then they are basically a role model/an example for the forum.

You're overthinking it. Nobody cares about those garbage negs. Nobody that matters I mean. Forget it.


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but I think that's wrong. The trust system should be used responsibly at any level.

No it's real. I did not mean that it should not be used responsibly at any level, my emphasis was on DTs  :)
A DT should feel (be) more responsible and accurate on leaving their feedback.

Thanks for sharing so many opinions already, it's much appreciated.
I like how there's more or less consensus not to respond with red trust. This answers my question, I'll just ignore the weird unexplained red trust I got.

I thought about this, and will explain my reasoning:

• I've seen hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164822) leave trust "Paid and participating in the BitcoinTalk Premier League betting pool." to a dozen users in a smiliar thing, and I've seen minerjones (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=346731) leave for example this feedback: "Won auction, paid directly. Good communication. Thanks!!"
  Since I'm new to leaving positive DT-trust, I used these users as my main example.
• I've read more discussion about whether or not DT should leave positive trust after deals, and the opinions seemed to vary. The trust I left shows "Risked BTC amount 0", which is supposed to be used to weigh the trust.
• All people involved joined before I was put on DT. My plan (from the start) was to leave trust afterwards, just like I did to the people who (last year) joined my airdrop sharing service for 3 months in a row (I didn't leave trust for people who joined 1 or 2 months only). I probably won't do it again after ROUND 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4597341.0), as I don't want people to join just to earn DT-trust.

Would I have left the positive trust to them if I would have started this thread earlier? I'm not sure now. But I do know I don't want to remove it now either.

Regarding the negative trust, I have seen people leaving only neutral "comment" like : "I've never dealt with this person."
You can do the same and explain what happen without painting it in RED.

Just to add >

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=elsie34

The users has one post and one Thread deleted. Maybe it is something in this direction.

LoyceV you are far greater than any other DT member here!

Especially those who are abusing the current TRUST SYSTEM..negative trust should be given to those scammers like what Theymos has told those fuckers to do so,SPAMMERS? this is just BULLSHIT spam wont stop and thats the fact tell me a forum which doesnt have spam ...merit abusers?FUCK THEYMOS..he already said that this is not moderated why Default trust users are giving redtrusts to those people who are giving their alts merits whats the fucking business? Theymos doesnt care why would these shitty little babies care?? SHITPOSTERS? oh hell the fuckin world was created not once,not with only one language,english shouldnt be the standard language of this forum yes it was created by a well trained native speaker,but he should know what others will fucking feel about these racism...MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS? if Theymos wanted to ban these multi-account users why he didnt put it on the rules?


These DT members are fucked up,they do have their own rules which clearly violate everyone's shitholes.

I dont blame theymos but i do blame these DT's for not being fair to users,these fuckers should listen to the bible of this forum,RULES OF RULES.
If these morons wanted you to have REDS....they would search for some good reason and if they have found a single good reason,the paint would yours.

I do only admire Hilariousco/etc and you LoyceV as a DT member which is quite fair for most of the users....others are fucked up by their own beliefs.

Stop whining.  There are forums that are English-language ones, and you're complaining about that?  Not to mention that there are many local boards where people can post if they don't speak English.

If people would stop trying to write in a language they don't know, there wouldn't be any problems, but we all know there IS a problem and we all know why it exists. 

You complain that we should only tag scammers (not prohibited by the forum) but complain that some spammers get tagged because it's not a forum rule.  Yeah, that makes sense.

Its a compliment to LoyceV,you should be telling this to the butthurt The Pharmacist.  ::)

Although one could argue with that by saying that the people who involved with Loyce here trusted him with their money for 10 whole months, and that sometimes is considered to be a fact,after all it is a trust system. The amount involved was fairly small, but nonetheless, I don't think anything would be wrong in giving those people a positive trust.

You are one of the people on this forum who I respect and trust although I have never left you green trust. You don't really need to explain to anyone why you left positive trust to people you trust, they can find link in reference, and even if they can't...
As for this account with neutral feedback, have you lost your mind  ::)  This guy is scammer, read "non-DT accustions" pointing to ponzi threads operated by them.

As well you become DT member, now you need to grow a thicker skin to accept this kind of untrusted feedback. Because when you leave red trust to some one , may be they will also leave a negetive feed back. It doesn't reflect on your trust rating you know very well. So forget aboutunteustes feedback, let them do it.

You can send green trust any one if there is appropriate reson. If some one have green trust there is reason on comment. It might be for dealing crypto or for behavior. You leave green trust means you trust him/her for a specifics reason. If you leave green trust for like "Helping new people to understand forum"  or " Fighting against scam/spam " , This green trust doesn't mean some one can dealing money with him/her. Absolutely it's not abuse of green trust. Because you leave green trust appropriate and a specific reason.

I would like to propose a new voting system, pick 3 neutral forum members and post a poll everytime you want to tag somebody with red, ask these 3 individuals to vote, if they voted against a red tag then don't leave a negative trust.

Polls can be abused.  ::)

Stupid idea. Basically you're suggesting to reduce the trust system to 3 members.

There's an update on the red trust I received. I received a PM from elsie34, saying it was a mistake and should have been positive trust. It's now deleted.

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Thanks, I guess :P

I'm glad you got that off your chest! Now chill ;)

Thanks!

Positive trust can be left for 2 reasons:
I left it because I had a successful trade.

Isn't that what "Neutral" is supposed to be?
I didn't want to leave him positive trust, but leaving negative trust after a successful trade doesn't feel right either. No other DT-member felt the need to tag him, and in general I don't tag people who run ponzis.

I think my skin thickness if just fine. But that doesn't mean I look away when I feel something isn't right.

That's happened to me only once. And that's why I leave a reference link with my red trust (except for my very first one, more than 3 years ago), while their retaliation feedback doesn't have one.

It's going to be a lot of work to check evidence on all cases. I think the large majority of all DT-trust is valid.

I meant for you to pick 3 neutral members and ask their opinions about a negative trust rating. it would be a great contribution if those 3 selected neutral members could spend their time voting but that's just my humble opinion.

Go ahead then. Pick 3 members, ask them via PM, or post a thread about EACH AND EVERY neg trust rating.

Perhaps you can see now that there's a bit of a problem with this? No?

I misinterpreted that, I thought you meant for everyone in general.
This won't be needed, as I can stand behind the red trust I left without any doubt. So far, only one person (mrjoy15 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=834384)) asked me to remove it. I told him to create a thread in Reputation, bump it daily for a week, and see what the community thinks about his case. He didn't want to do that, he stopped posting instead of contributing to the forum, and after he asked me the same thing every month for a few times, I put him on ignore.

The bolded part is the reason why I vouch for your trust ratings, IMO every DT member should do that but they really don't care, I have posted several threads in reputation board and some of the trusted members have already said that leaving me negative trust is not needed but since the DTs who'd tagged me are trust abusers they never cared about what the community members say. of course, your way could also work, first tag people and then ask them to post their appeal for the community and if there were enough votes against the tag, simply remove them.

However why I said that you should select 3 people which you completely trust is because people could use their alt accounts to shill for themselves and vote no.

Would it be frowned upon if I leave trust from my alt? I'm in doubt, because technically my alt account didn't do anything, but it would be a nice "workaround" to be able to leave less heavy feedback.

I'm asking because I recently participated in a $50 giveaway (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4798259.0), which only required writing a review after trying the site. This was paid as promised. I want to leave feedback, but not DT-feedback, as my little experience with the site doesn't justify that.

Update: I'll leave trust from LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546).

I think that it isn't something that is frowned upon. You can send a neutral rating from your main account as it would still mean that you got paid as promised for your review about their site but you are not in a position to trust because of "little experience with site".

This is new:

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I'm not sure if those are complements, but just in case, I'll collect them here :D

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Counter evidence:

That's it, you're a bot, you took ~4 minutes to dig my post up and post it here. I'm now gonna go out of my way to get you banned for wearing that hat,not because you're a bot.

I have a feeling that after somedays no one will remember your username "LoyceV". People will know you as AI. Therefore, you should talk with piggy so that his notification bot can notify you whenever someone mention you as AI. Otherwise, you will miss most of the notification where you get mentioned.

Congratulations LoyceV!   You are the first recipient of a BPIP Award!

You were the author of the most merited post for Jan 4, 2019.  :)

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(Look at the Meta log for now)

Thanks :D
I don't know what to say, this is so unexpected I didn't prepare a speech :D

You don't have to make it really long. A short one will suffice too.  :P

I've been reading some of your posts/threads. Amazing work and congratulations. Looking forward to reading your speech if you decide on doing it. heh

Very helpful, after all this years. Appreciate your stay in fórums. Hope to see you much longer. And maybe have future interactions further.

Bump and test:

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6. Foxpup (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55384) (322 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=55384)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/55384.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Foxpup))
7. TMAN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986) (DT1! (15) 865 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=98986)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/98986.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TMAN))
8. Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872) (DT1! (17) 847 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=101872)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/101872.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lauda))
9. mOgliE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=107200) (115 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=107200)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/107200.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mOgliE))
10. yogg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827) (DT1! (10) 302 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=140827)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/140827.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yogg))
11. TheQuin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143168) (439 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=143168)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/143168.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheQuin))
12. dbshck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153634) (154 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=153634)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/153634.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=dbshck))
13. TheNewAnon135246 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153656) (DT1! (10) 393 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=153656)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/153656.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TheNewAnon135246))
14. Bitze (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=157000) (13 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=157000)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/157000.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bitze))
15. stompix (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164749) (388 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164749)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/164749.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=stompix))
16. hilariousandco (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164822) (DT1! (29) 442 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=164822)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/164822.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=hilariousandco))
17. MadZ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=174480) (144 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=174480)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/174480.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MadZ))
18. Avirunes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=175302) (134 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=175302)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/175302.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Avirunes))
19. DooMAD (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=175361) (258 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=175361)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/175361.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DooMAD))
20. Initscri (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=186520) (99 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=186520)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/186520.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Initscri))
21. vit05 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=194811) (366 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=194811)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/194811.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=vit05))
22. Lesbian Cow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=206143) (DT1! (13) 248 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=206143)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/206143.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lesbian Cow))
23. cryptodevil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=224980) (DT1! (10) 95 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=224980)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/224980.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptodevil))
24. suchmoon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771) (DT1! (27) 1682 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=234771)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/234771.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=suchmoon))
25. JayJuanGee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=252510) (600 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=252510)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/252510.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=JayJuanGee))
26. NeuroticFish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=257071) (145 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=257071)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/257071.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=NeuroticFish))
27. teeGUMES (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=307884) (164 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=307884)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/307884.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=teeGUMES))
28. owlcatz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313016) (DT1! (17) 171 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/313016.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=owlcatz))
29. examplens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314792) (24 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=314792)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/314792.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=examplens))
30. nutildah (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=317618) (329 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=317618)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/317618.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nutildah))
31. minerjones (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=346731) (532 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=346731)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/346731.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=minerjones))
32. tmfp (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=351569) (DT1! (9) 242 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=351569)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/351569.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tmfp))
33. yahoo62278 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355846) (DT1! (10) 417 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355846)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/355846.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=yahoo62278))
34. bill gator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=370611) (DT1! (5) 438 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=370611)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/370611.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bill gator))
35. LFC_Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379487) (490 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=379487)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/379487.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LFC_Bitcoin))
36. mocacinno (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=405464) (417 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=405464)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/405464.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mocacinno))
37. MaoChao (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=410541) (59 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=410541)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/410541.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=MaoChao))
38. kken01 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=415400) (7 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=415400)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/415400.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=kken01))
39. bones261 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=452769) (358 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=452769)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/452769.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bones261))
40. actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=465017) (DT1! (22) 424 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/465017.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=actmyname))
41. WhiteManWhite (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=485285) (DT1 (-1) 54 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=485285)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/485285.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=WhiteManWhite))
42. The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418) (DT1! (28) 1493 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=487418)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/487418.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=The Pharmacist))
43. LeGaulois (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507856) (DT1! (5) 478 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507856)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/507856.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=LeGaulois))
44. DarkStar_ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=507936) (DT1! (22) 620 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=507936)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/507936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DarkStar_))
45. SFR10 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=521899) (189 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=521899)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/521899.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=SFR10))
46. jackg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=543626) (211 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=543626)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/543626.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=jackg))
47. DeathAngel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554812) (54 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=554812)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/554812.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DeathAngel))
48. TryNinja (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557798) (537 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=557798)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/557798.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=TryNinja))
49. eddie13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=580327) (355 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=580327)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/580327.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=eddie13))
50. Jet Cash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=698159) (DT1! (6) 1041 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=698159)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/698159.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Jet Cash))
51. condoras (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=740502) (92 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=740502)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/740502.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=condoras))
52. bL4nkcode (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=765632) (127 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=765632)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/765632.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bL4nkcode))
53. Slow death (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=783422) (159 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=783422)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/783422.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Slow death))
54. Lafu (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=805820) (DT1! (11) 411 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=805820)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/805820.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Lafu))
55. HCP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=867786) (630 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=867786)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/867786.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=HCP))
56. Hhampuz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377) (DT1! (15) 661 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=881377)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/881377.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Hhampuz))
57. xtraelv (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=897509) (DT1! (14) 1006 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=897509)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/897509.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=xtraelv))
58. Alone055 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=945923) (167 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=945923)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/945923.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alone055))
59. HiDevin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=964397) (26 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=964397)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/964397.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=HiDevin))
60. aundroid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1015954) (233 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1015954)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1015954.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=aundroid))
61. roycilik (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1051955) (556 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1051955)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1051955.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=roycilik))
62. CryptopreneurBrainboss (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1052091) (196 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1052091)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1052091.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=CryptopreneurBrainboss))
63. Halab (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1053119) (DT1! (6) 154 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1053119)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1053119.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Halab))
64. hugeblack (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1059082) (309 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1059082)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1059082.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=hugeblack))
65. micgoossens (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1067333) (1508 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1067333)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1067333.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=micgoossens))
66. eldrin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068482) (33 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1068482)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1068482.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=eldrin))
67. tweetbit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1086882) (10 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1086882)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1086882.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tweetbit))
68. mosprognoz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1094569) (31 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1094569)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1094569.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mosprognoz))
69. amishmanish (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1107844) (205 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1107844)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1107844.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=amishmanish))
70. Steamtyme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1112531) (510 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1112531)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1112531.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Steamtyme))
71. Untold (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1121520) (44 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1121520)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1121520.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Untold))
72. Coin-1 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1133335) (314 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1133335)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1133335.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Coin-1))
73. Veleor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1177936) (360 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1177936)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1177936.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Veleor))
74. theyoungmillionaire (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1180530) (DT1! (3) 604 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1180530)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1180530.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=theyoungmillionaire))
75. o_e_l_e_o (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188543) (DT1! (8) 1332 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1188543)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1188543.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=o_e_l_e_o))
76. nc50lc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1237156) (195 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1237156)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1237156.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=nc50lc))
77. iasenko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828) (DT1! (9) 801 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1291828)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1291828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=iasenko))
78. coinlocket$ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1339716) (DT1! (16) 686 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1339716)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1339716.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=coinlocket$))
79. mdayonliner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468) (344 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1432468.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mdayonliner))
80. r1s2g3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1446224) (289 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1446224)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1446224.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=r1s2g3))
81. Heisenberg_Hunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1564795) (198 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1564795)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1564795.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Heisenberg_Hunter))
82. asche (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1580039) (DT1! (9) 457 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1580039)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1580039.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=asche))
83. DdmrDdmr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1582324) (1846 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1582324)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1582324.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DdmrDdmr))
84. tracyspacy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1640315) (11 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1640315)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1640315.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tracyspacy))
85. Alex_Sr (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404) (DT1! (9) 544 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1762404)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1762404.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Alex_Sr))
86. bubbalex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1775670) (47 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1775670)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1775670.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bubbalex))
87. morvillz7z (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1825672) (382 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1825672)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1825672.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=morvillz7z))
88. taikuri13 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1855828) (DT1! (5) 435 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1855828)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1855828.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=taikuri13))
89. madnessteat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1894120) (144 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1894120)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1894120.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=madnessteat))
90. Coolcryptovator (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1980983) (DT1! (10) 542 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1980983)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1980983.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Coolcryptovator))
91. DireWolfM14 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2003859) (251 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2003859)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2003859.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=DireWolfM14))
92. mikeywith (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2033515) (449 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2033515)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2033515.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=mikeywith))
93. 1miau (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2143453) (443 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2143453)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2143453.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=1miau))
94. S_Therapist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2423416) (263 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2423416)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2423416.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=S_Therapist))
95. cestmoi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2505963) (133 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2505963)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2505963.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cestmoi))

~LoyceV is Distrusted by:
1. peloso (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=81995) (65 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=81995)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/81995.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=peloso))
2. cryptohunter (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92110) (119 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=92110)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/92110.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=cryptohunter))
3. bamb (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=339386) (1 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=339386)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/339386.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=bamb))
4. Thule (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=355462) (24 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=355462)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/355462.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Thule))
5. endlasuresh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=906005) (3 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=906005)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/906005.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=endlasuresh))
6. Bazinga442 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1246188) (24 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1246188)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1246188.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Bazinga442))
7. tokneneng (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1926668) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1926668)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/1926668.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=tokneneng))
8. argio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2148256) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2148256)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2148256.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=argio))
9. H8bussesNbicycles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2472107) (8 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2472107)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2472107.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=H8bussesNbicycles))
10. ito-marketing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2535994) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2535994)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2535994.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=ito-marketing))
11. gwsukabokepjepang (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2536607) (0 Merit earned) (Trust feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2536607)) (Trust list (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-02_Sat_05.56h/2536607.html)) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=gwsukabokepjepang))


Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102296.0).
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust (http://loyce.club/trust/).

My account LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546) is on DdmrDdmr's Rank pipeline (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5122257.0). It lacks Merit for Full Member, because I don't type much on my phone. It got me thinking: I kinda want to make it rank up, would it be considered Merit begging if I use it to post my next big post? :P

I can't  see any point why should it consider merit begging if you make long post or analysis topic. To be honest merit deserve according to post or topic quality, not according to user account. And you are not abusing anything like signature or exchange merit etc. So my personal opinion is, you can make long or short post, its depend on other users they will send merit or not.

You are clearly a sunbeam of that forum.I really wish majority of DT members would have your character.

You can all stop speculating, after KYC has been implemented, I am now officially Verified human (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5124947.msg50403762#msg50403762) :D
https://loyce.club/other/human.jpg

#Fakenews..

Here is your real verification man, don't hide it :

https://i.imgur.com/cjVQNVW.png

No. I can't believe that.
By the amount of posts, activity and good work in and around the forum and bitcoin, by no means you could be human at all.
So I agree with @iasenko, you must be some very good AI, which most probably can also beat the "human" verification.

What can you expect when two AI get together..
Of course they will cover up their own tracks..

Well it's quite close to the truth, after a few thousand good reports.. ;)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6672b205261b146798279de1b772ea1f/tenor.gif?

Touché.
Great find.

It was a glitch!!!
Delete the previous image and put a real picture, let's see the truth, machine!!!!!

I tried 4 different titles till now using this method

LoyceV has made baseless accusations, one of which was that my (now closed) loan request was an exit scam attempt.

How is it baseless?  If your scam had worked, you would have exited.  :)

I'm curious: on April 22 user griffoninvest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=845203) left me red trust: "SPAMMER". On the same day, he left red trust to 2 other users too (archived (https://archive.is/C5MuN#selection-2077.0-2135.9)). I excluded him from my Trust list, and left neutral trust in return:
I don't think I've ever had any interaction with this user, and didn't really bother about it, until I noticed he was banned the same day (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=griffoninvest). What are the odds of a spammer calling me a spammer right before he gets banned (for spamming?)?

lol.  YOU are the statistician... not us.   :P

I've been thinking about a small contingency plan for a while now. Here it is, although I'll probably never need this.

LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546)'s signature reads: "Don't deal with this account, I use it on untrusted devices." This post is meant to confirm one exception.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I now carry a printed BIP-38 encrypted private key to address 1CeCVust2anquaTmN7ugcCnaVWkoLANHj4^* inside my phone cover. If LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546) (nobody else) signs a message (including the date at that time) from 1CeCVust2anquaTmN7ugcCnaVWkoLANHj4, I ask one person to give LoyceMobile a non-collateral loan up to the Bitcoin equivalent of $200, at up to 10% interest (loan and interest are to be calculated in Bitcoin, not dollar) and a negotiable duration.
Please take precautions: check LoyceMobile's feedback (including "untrusted" feedback) and leave a neutral tag to confirm the loan including a Reference link to the post. Make sure this can't be abused to get more than one loan.
This signature is created on May 29, 2019.
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1LoyceVGjMmUj6Na79M9Ju8N52KXkbKMQE
HPk81ERCZsJcpuBdkmE//Tc9Vm57gPDRSV6RZqEidiNpIZ5nmaY57GRro0qM5Iwjma1Et4oR2+jYkBXHqofToJY=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
(staked (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg50657403#msg50657403) & verified (http://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1LoyceVGjMmUj6Na79M9Ju8N52KXkbKMQE&vrMsg=I%20now%20carry%20a%20printed%20BIP-38%20encrypted%20private%20key%20to%20address%201CeCVust2anquaTmN7ugcCnaVWkoLANHj4*%20inside%20my%20phone%20cover.%20If%20LoyceMobile%20(nobody%20else)%20signs%20a%20message%20(including%20the%20date%20at%20that%20time)%20from%201CeCVust2anquaTmN7ugcCnaVWkoLANHj4%2C%20I%20ask%20one%20person%20to%20give%20LoyceMobile%20a%20non-collateral%20loan%20up%20to%20the%20Bitcoin%20equivalent%20of%20%24200%2C%20at%20up%20to%2010%25%20interest%20(loan%20and%20interest%20are%20to%20be%20calculated%20in%20Bitcoin%2C%20not%20dollar)%20and%20a%20negotiable%20duration.%0APlease%20take%20precautions%3A%20check%20LoyceMobile's%20feedback%20(including%20%22untrusted%22%20feedback)%20and%20leave%20a%20neutral%20tag%20to%20confirm%20the%20loan%20including%20a%20Reference%20link%20to%20the%20post.%20Make%20sure%20this%20can't%20be%20abused%20to%20get%20more%20than%20one%20loan.%0AThis%20signature%20is%20created%20on%20May%2029%2C%202019.&vrSig=HPk81ERCZsJcpuBdkmE%2F%2FTc9Vm57gPDRSV6RZqEidiNpIZ5nmaY57GRro0qM5Iwjma1Et4oR2%2BjYkBXHqofToJY%3D))

^* Don't send any funds to this address, I don't have a backup and this address is only meant to identify myself "on the road".

Hey Loyce

If you ever find yourself in need, feel free to PM me and I would be willing to fill a loan request for you anytime. I say PM just to alert me to the fact you need the loan in case I don't see a post.

Thanks :) I don't expect to ever need a loan on my main account^*. The only scenario I can think of is if I some day wake up on an unknown location with only my phone and no money :P

^* If I do ask for this, make sure to ask for and verify a signed message from a staked address.

Well if you ever wind up in a " The Hangover" type situation now you're a little more prepared  ;)
I'll definitely take the precautions before firing out any loan.

ROFL... If you need a 200$ buck and I'm still alive at that time, just get in contact with me I'll help you man, we are in the same time zone :)
Nice scenario but most likely if you wake up on an unknown location probably your phone won't be there anyway.... as I said probably (don't forget to get a solar charger except if you are traveling to North Pole in the winter you need a hand charger).

Judging by your avatar, this is more likely to happen to you :P

If I wake up on the North Pole without knowing how I got there, no amount of Bitcoin can help me :D

I bet many users here wouldn't hesitate to lend you $200 myself included, but I'm having a hard time imagining a scenario where you have your phone and don't have access to money. Are you one of those anti-banking nutjobs individuals with no bank accounts/money transfer apps etc? For me it would be much more hassle to cash out BTC than to get some fiat.

Guilty as charged, I don't do banking on my phone.

The last time that happened to me I was 19 years old, woke up in the backseat of an old Volvo heading down to San Luis Obispo for a weekend with three pretty girls.  Money wan't my concern, I was just worried I didn't have enough condoms.  ;D

BTW, I think I can trust you enough to loan you a measly $200.

Are you a young girl following a rock band in a lawless country?   :D

If they kidnap you, they will take your phone - it's good you limit yourself to $200.   Enough to get help - not enough to retire. 

:)

On my way home :D Did you miss me?

Currently driving somewhere in Germany, with many kilometers to go.

I know what you mean, those damn kilometers are depressing. I like miles much better. Always a relief when crossing the border... one minute it's 1300 km and then boom, 800 miles. Immediately feels much closer to home ;D

I did, very miss you and your data dumps. Finally, you come back, and your data updates will be published soon.  :D

Oh noes! Someone (is that you welovedcrypto? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5171074.msg52024653#msg52024653)) is reporting my old posts (from 2015!) or forgotten bumps. I'm not sure why, but this user seems obsessed with me :D Let me highlight my name in his quote:

@Loyce - Don’t worry about it, similar happened to me a few months ago. Somebody was going through all my old posts reporting them, presumably trying to get me banned or something.

Nobody likes a grass (tell tale).

Everybody knows what a good poster & great asset to the forum you are. This isn’t even a blip on your radar, relax.

I love it for no other reason than the comedic value. "The interesting thing is that, I reported three posts are of LoyceV (nothing personal with him)" - Followed by digging up posts from 2015 for suspected plagiarism in a sales thread, about availability and how you want to pay.

Not quite obsessed they didn't even link your profile each time they used your name.

---

Unrelated I'm sending you a PM.

Working?  Vacation?  Working vacation?



I'm helping a friend move to Arizona.  We're leaving tonight, and planning to get it all done in one shot, taking turns driving all night.  1529 Kilometers sounds awful, even 950 miles sounds daunting, but 0.00000000005 parsecs sounds like a piece of cake.  

Fork O0

I was trying to lower my source sMerit balance, and used LoyceMobile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1903546)'s sent Merit history to send those posts some more. With a dozen tabs open, I filled "04" in all of them before clicking "Send" (I have this AI-thing where I try to Merit as much posts in a single second as possible, I've reached 4 posts per second several times). However, I wrapped around to the first tab again, and added another 4 to the existing "04", right before I clicked Send. Long story short: I could see my 44 sMerit transfer to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229460.msg53937733#msg53937733), but it was too late to stop it.

I wanted to leave the chain of events here, in case someone questions this transaction later. It's the biggest Fork Up I've had with sMerit :(
To easy my own mind: the post itself isn't bad, although it doesn't deserve 45 Merits. It's a Newbie who doesn't look like a spammer. So I hope the sMerits trickle down from there to others.
I've Forked Up less than 0.5% (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat) of all sMerit I've sent. This was a big Fork Up though :(

I tried :D http://loyce.club/ showed this yesterday: https://archive.is/jaeop.
The link "Electrum.exe" didn't lead to an executable, but to a directory, so any browser visits loyce.club/electrum.exe/index.html. Clicking the link showed this page: https://archive.is/dbztm.
I was half expecting a scam accusation against me from someone who didn't click the link, but nothing happened.

I'm just leaving this here to document my first failed Bitcoin related April Fools joke :)

Do you know how many clicks you got on that link? I was one of them :) I think people put too much trust in you to actually report you for such thing, especially on 1st of April :) So pulling the "scam" joke does not really suits your reputation, sorry ;)

No, I don't really want to check Apache logs for this.

The "hacked" joke could have worked. I guess not many people visit loyce.club's main index page.

Again :(
Since I have to empty my source sMerit, I usually send 4 sMerit at a time. I wanted to Merit this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.msg54453033#msg54453033) and accidentally clicked left instead of right from the "zero" on the "Merit a post"-page. As some claim I'm AI, I clicked "Send" at the same moment I realized my mistake, and my heart skipped a beat.
That default zero has always been risky, but it's the first time it hit me this hard. Maybe I should send 6 sMerit at a time from now on, so this mistake can't happen anymore.

LoyceV the scammer supporter has just deleted my legitimate flag support request from his flag support thread?

The flag I posted there is based on incontrovertible proof of scamming by his friend lauda.

LoyceV the scammer facilitator has long sought to label undeniable evidence of scamming by his scamming DT friends as trolling. 

Thus attempting to cast doubt over legitimate scammer warnings.

Here is the post that scammer supporter and sneaky scammer facilitator loyceV deleted unfairly.






Notice how loyceV leaves lauda the scammers request to dispute the legitimate scam flag.

LoyceV is surely not to be trusted nor should chipmixer be sponsoring such scammers and scammer supporters.

His reputation is not meant to be a one sided story as this scammer facilitating wretch loyceV wants it to be told.

I'm glad you found the right thread cryptohunter, too bad you drag your off topic drama in here though.

Lauda's post was deleted too. For transparency, I left a link to view the deleted posts.

Please no off topic speculation. You must not be permitted to support scamming by labelling proof of scamming as trolling and using other unfair moderator tactics to prevent honest members receiving valid warnings.

Where there is undeniable proof of scamming you should be working with those presenting the evidence to ensure the warnings are as impactful as possible not seeking to shelter and protect scammers from punishment and preventing honest members receiving the opportunity to learn the truth about proven scammers here.

You left suchmoons post there. This is clear scammer supporting leaving the dispute support post for a flag based on proof of scamming but removing the support the flag link and evidence it is based upon.

Strong scammer supporting there. Do you deny it.

Explain your actions. You are clearly trying to assist the take down of a legitimate and important warning regarding a proven scammer.

Go debunk the evidence of proven scamming first.

I didn't reload the page after meriting this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5250677.msg54488992#msg54488992), and when I came back a bit later I merited it again. No big loss, but it feels like I'm getting sloppy trying to get rid of all my source sMerits lately.

Sorry to hear you're feeling like that. Is it also the case you have a lot to get rid of? If it were me I'd just bung them at people almost regardless of which of their posts. I guess it might smack to you of favouritism or even decision-making (gah!), but surely there are generally-agreed upon people who could do with big bumps? And especially in places you don't haunt, where they can get on with it without you having to go through their colleagues' stuff? Probably would encourage them to keep up with the flow. But maybe it's just not how you roll.

A bit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend) :)

It varies, sometimes I bump a user up to the next Rank based on their overall good posts.

This is new:
I'm not sure if I should feel flattered, or offended (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213722.msg53482650#msg53482650). I do feel like I'm missing out on a nice big fat government paycheck though :P

I took this quote to this topic because I don't want to go further off-topic.

It's fine. We're all here for the technology of course (LOL) so it makes sense that you're fitting right in if you're an NSA bot.

Also the US government doesn't really pay well, or so I'm told.

Exactly what I’d expect an agent to say ;)

I've been called things that are too good to forget, but never kept an overview. I'll start now:
(quotes may or may not have been taken out of context)

Context can be important, but maybe for the purpose of your highlighting of the matter, you are not necessarily wanting to get bogged down too much into context (for now), just building up a list... perhaps?

But just your proclaiming that you are not necessarily considering context, causes me to consider my own behaviors in terms of either good names or bad names that I might give to other members, and sometimes I will make some pretty "extreme assertions" about some other member(s), and sometimes I am merely attempting to emphasize some kind of point (so I don't necessarily even literally mean what I had said), and other times, I might be trying to negotiate some kind of a situation or win an argument, and in those contexts the emphasis could be made to try to win the argument, throw the other person off (attempt to cause them to become emotional) or even to distract a bit from the actual main substantive points (or overall subject matter being discussed).

In case anyone's looking for me: I'm currently stranded due to car trouble. It's quite .... how should I call this .... inconvenient

I'm back in civilization :D And nobody was looking for me ;D

Since 2021 I registered in this forum, I haven't seen this thread. But after reading Op, I had no choice than to increase my respect for you, which I have had right from my newbie days.
There was when I discovered I was in DT2, I didn't use it to hunt anyone down and I didn't see it as additional power against the weak. DT power is to sanitize this forum and prevent scammers and cheaters from thriving.

I respect your approach to matters and sense of judgement. You are great!

It happened again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5498457.msg65221302#msg65221302), although this time with a different reason: I recently spilled water (and ouzo, don't ask....) on my new keyboard. I cleaned it, and all keys work fine again, except for the "4": it sometimes doubles the 4 when I hit it once. I hit Enter right after the 44, so the mistake was set in stone. Luckily, nothing's lost, Lucius just has a bit more Merit than I planned for.

Typing the "4" a few times above, and having to correct "44" several times made me realize the problem is much more common than I thought. I'll take apart that button again, and order a new keyboard if it doesn't work. Unreliable numbers can create much bigger problems than sending too much Merit.

You should look into replacing the keyboard PCB, if ti's a generic model.

But if you choose to do it, then open the keyboard carefully. I recently had the misfortune of having all the rubber caps in a keyboard fall out after opening it, and I was never able to get the keys pressing again. Oh well. The Shift keys never worked anyway.

Any questions one could have just answered themselves.  :D :D


I had to replace my OLD mouse recently because the left button was double clicking every time I wanted to single click.  It came on slowly, and before I figured out what was going on I accidently sent 10 merits twice.  Both times it happened it was to the same individual who is very deserving, even if wasn't necessarily for those two specific posts.

It's a Dell, I don't think I can replace parts. I took it apart (again), and the 4 is typing like a 4 again. So to type 44 I have to press the 4 twice. I should have done this earlier, this feels amazing :D

I can actually put this keyboard back together. Now that we're on the subject of keyboards: the lines under F and J are quite thin. I replace my previous keyboard because I they were worn and I couldn't feel them anymore, which often let me type ;ole tjos amd mpbpdu cam read ot/ (but if you type this in Google, Google knows your hands are off and goes with a correct: "did you mean....").

That doesn't sounds like a dust problem, but it's worth a shot. My current mouse doesn't always scroll when the wheel "clicks", which causes a discrepancy between what I see and what I feel. My previous mouse had the exact same problem, which is why I replaced it. Somehow those things aren't meant to last :P

Off-topic, but that could be a good feature for Talksearch.

I have the same issue, which is why I use mechanical keyboards exclusively.   It was my number "5" that broke when I was cleaning, and it lead me to rethink my inputs.

I now have two keyboards and a macro mouse that lets me game with just my right hand almost as fast as I used to when I was a gamer.

https://vod.fan/thumb/ki/setup.jpg (https://vod.fan/ki)

good mechanical keyboards generally have individually hot swapable key switches.

of course you can buy like 20 cheapo membrane kbs for the price too.

edit sorry for OT

So it was accidental? Honestly, it seemed to me that you didn't plan to do that, but you repeated several times that you have about 4000 sMerits, so I thought that you were doing some kind of spring cleaning of your merit bags. Still, as you say, nothing is lost - considering I'm not a merit source, a slightly larger supply will come in handy to reward more good posts than I can otherwise afford.

In that case, I would have tried to find a post that's more fitting. And I would have sent 42 Merits instead of 44.

It seems that the forum is missing one very important feature - to cancel a merit transaction in a short period of time if someone realizes they made a mistake. The only thing I can try is to contact the admin and ask him to return your merits - I've never wanted something that doesn't belong to me.

As a Linux-user, I generally appreciate the lack of "undo". But repetitive tasks are prone to mistakes: I've sent Merit over 16,000 times. If I'd take 2 seconds to verify before I hit "Enter", that would have taken me 9 hours in total. I think I've made a (big) mistake 3 times so far, so it's not worth the 3 hours.

Don't worry about it, it belongs to you now :P It's not worth taking up Admin's time. I only posted about it for transparency.

5 days later.... oops again (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5537114.msg65237717#msg65237717). This is the first time in 5 days my keyboard does this, and right when I'm Meriting someone. I should switch to 6 Merits by default :P

Ha! Nice to be the beneficiary of a typo.

My keyboard is at it again: 44 Merits sent to somac. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg66075609#msg66075609). Not that it matters much, he's not a shitposter and I can't even empty my source. But it is annoying my keyboard is so unreliable, I'm not used to having to verify what I type.

You are seeking the attention of people like me who are close to their next rank :P
I would say I am still far, but DdmrDdmr thinks I am close to the next rank (<20% merits required for the next rank), but I am an average Joe. This kind of Humour will start luring people like me and follow wherever you post ;D, BTW, even if you are not used to verifying what you type, I am sure you verify what you copy and paste 8)

Wrong place :P

It's just very annoying not being able to rely on my keyboard. I can't type 4 without typing 44 once in a while. The keyboard is only 11 months old, but I spilled something on it. I like how it types though, and a new keyboard can take a while to get used to. Amazing Dell can't even have text on keys that last for 11 months!

Most of the time :)

I think the Chinese myth is starting to make sense. You're hit by repeated bad luck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology

Use 6 or 8 instead, wondering what will happen to your keyboard. Or is it going to give you 44 as the curse is irrevocable?

TMI!  :o

You can douche it out with isopropyl (90% solution) and let it dry for a few minutes.  If you can pop the key off and douche the soft board and the bottom of the key, even better.

Old habits die hard.

It's been well documented that the liquids in question were a combination of ouzo and water. I don't even want to know what you were thinking :P

I gave it my best already, it just keeps reminding me of may the fours be with you". (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1853388.0)

If you're fine without typing sounds, why don't you get a keyboard with just haptic feedback? I have this keyboard and mouse (https://mofii.com/lang_en/index.php?c=show&id=47), and I'm quite happy with them.

Go here: https://www.wetkeys.com/default.asp
Pick one, get it and done for life.

Most of those keyboards will out last you.

But, I do have to warn you people look at you oddly when you have a keyboard in the dishwasher.

-Dave

And I have been using this half dead A4TECH OP-730D (https://www.startech.com.bd/a4tech-op-730d-mouse) mouse that comes with laptop as gift (didn't even bought it), cost less then $5. Though I have build a very high config custom PC, I'm/was too lazy or should I say sentiment to let go this old friend. Hence I'm still using it for years now and it never failed me.  :-X