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Title: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: PSYCHE0317 on August 06, 2018, 11:08:47 PM
First I would like to clarify that I am neither atheist nor devout Christian. I am an agnotheist (I believe that there is supreme being but he is unknown). I met few friends online who claimed that they were atheist and this is what they told me: God is more wicked than Satan, Satan punished those who are sinners while God punished everyone even those people who have been good to him and spent their life worshipping Him.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: YoutubeTV on August 06, 2018, 11:40:53 PM
One in the same my friend


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Moloch on August 07, 2018, 03:42:31 AM
If you are going to compare wickedness, you need a way to measure such a concept.  There are few things we can all agree are wicked besides murder, so let's use murder as a way to compare god vs satan

Throughout the entire bible, Satan is only blamed with killing Job's family, and only because god had a bet with Satan and taunted him into it.

God is blamed with the murder of millions and millions of people:

The great flood
The tower of babel
Sodom and Gomorrah
The 7th & 10th plagues of Egypt

Someone actually made a list if you are interested.  They estimate god's murder tally at nearly 25,000,000 people at 158 occasions

https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html (https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html)

Going by the the raw numbers - 10:24,994,828 - God is 249,948,280% more wicked than Satan


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Cinamon on August 07, 2018, 03:45:24 AM
Satan is actually a creature that is most hated by God, and someday God will put Satan into hell forever, but before Satan is put into hell, Satan asks permission from God so that he can tempt humans to become friends later on hell.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: omonuyak on August 07, 2018, 06:40:41 AM
God is good and there is no wickedness in him.  We can not compare the creator with the creations. If it is not the goodness of God some of us could not be alive today base on the desire of our enemies on us.  I have see the goodness of God in my life and the love of my saviour Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: kudosbadazz on August 07, 2018, 03:48:25 PM
God is never wicked. Dont see the test he put people through as wickedness.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: RLR on August 08, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
Satan is a cursed creation of God, Satan is very evil and he tempts people to do evil.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Moloch on August 10, 2018, 02:31:14 AM
Only stupid people believe in gods and demons without evidence


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: ETHICKNINE on September 09, 2018, 03:31:51 PM
First I would like to clarify that I am neither atheist nor devout Christian. I am an agnotheist (I believe that there is supreme being but he is unknown). I met few friends online who claimed that they were atheist and this is what they told me: God is more wicked than Satan, Satan punished those who are sinners while God punished everyone even those people who have been good to him and spent their life worshipping Him.

It is a theory but most of people in the world believe in god and hate satan


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: KingScorpio on September 09, 2018, 07:31:08 PM
Only stupid people believe in gods and demons without evidence

some have doubted and found evidence, its for me however difficult to define the nature of god,

i doubt he is humanistic.. unfortunately

god is being described humanistic only if muslims are dominated by a humanist wordly state like the usa.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Quitthis on September 26, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
If you are going to compare wickedness, you need a way to measure such a concept.  There are few things we can all agree are wicked besides murder, so let's use murder as a way to compare god vs satan

Throughout the entire bible, Satan is only blamed with killing Job's family, and only because god had a bet with Satan and taunted him into it.

God is blamed with the murder of millions and millions of people:

The great flood
The tower of babel
Sodom and Gomorrah
The 7th & 10th plagues of Egypt

Someone actually made a list if you are interested.  They estimate god's murder tally at nearly 25,000,000 people at 158 occasions

https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html (https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html)

Going by the the raw numbers - 10:24,994,828 - God is 249,948,280% more wicked than Satan


Well Satan started the killing and badness ...garden of eden. So the rest is because of inherited sin.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: elenadivats@yandex.ru on December 15, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
It just reminds me on a statistics I came across some time before

Somebody's just calculated the number of kills made in Bible by God and Satan on their own (exept thouse millions of victims of the global flood)
And the score was about   ~3mil : ~20 in favor of the God

I'm an agnostic anyway and value the Bible only as a cultural, historical and moral unit. But this stats just schocked me ::)


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: ATMD on December 15, 2018, 05:40:39 PM
According to my understanding, God didn't kill a human life. We chose to do evil and rebel, so death was a result of this original evil.
If I ask an atheist how many did God kill, atheist would say "0" because they don't believe in God.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: BADecker on December 15, 2018, 10:28:26 PM
The only reason Satanists think that God is more wicked is, God wouldn't let Satan steal His domain from Him.

8)


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Lintormi on December 16, 2018, 10:46:10 AM
Well, this is of course a very philosophical question. I think that the answer is not realistic, especially if a person does not believe in anything. Each person will have their own opinion, and everyone will be right
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Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: WebdeveIoper on December 16, 2018, 11:27:37 AM
In the bible god has killed more people then satan.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: BADecker on December 16, 2018, 01:08:18 PM
In the bible god has killed more people then satan.

When God kills people, He is destroying wickedness. There are loads of righteous people that God upholds, loves, and supports.

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Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Vod on December 16, 2018, 01:45:19 PM
In the bible god has killed more people then satan.

When God kills people, He is destroying wickedness. There are loads of righteous people that God upholds, loves, and supports.

8)

No believing in something with no proof is considered wickedness by your god.

Choose another one.

 8)


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: af_newbie on December 16, 2018, 04:22:32 PM
First I would like to clarify that I am neither atheist nor devout Christian. I am an agnotheist (I believe that there is supreme being but he is unknown). I met few friends online who claimed that they were atheist and this is what they told me: God is more wicked than Satan, Satan punished those who are sinners while God punished everyone even those people who have been good to him and spent their life worshipping Him.

I am not a literary expert, but between these two fictional characters, I would say the Christian God is more wicked.

God is like a CEO, Satan is just a regional branch manager, appointed by God.

God organized his business and is ultimately responsible for all the wickedness in the Christian story.


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: BADecker on December 17, 2018, 12:23:00 AM
In the bible god has killed more people then satan.

When God kills people, He is destroying wickedness. There are loads of righteous people that God upholds, loves, and supports.

8)

No believing in something with no proof is considered wickedness by your god.

Choose another one.

 8)

You have it backwards. Believing something that you know (have proof for) is something you can't do. Since there is proof (nature and the universe) for God, one can't believe that He exists... because we know it. But one can believe what God says until He is proven right by it happening. Then one can't even believe that any longer, because he knows it.

8)


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Vod on December 17, 2018, 04:31:01 AM
You have it backwards. Believing something that you know (have proof for) is something you can't do.

Another lie.  I believe the earth revolves around the sun.  Proven by repeated tests.

How do you test your individual god if he doesn't allow it?

Or are you changing the rules yet again to suit your momentary logic?

You are brainwashed to believe that constantly changing the historical "facts" of your religion is normal.

:(


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: strokingmybeard on December 17, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
neither as neither exists. theyre merely constructs of a time when we thought we needed moral compasses in the form of almighty or wicked beings in order to guide and explain things for us.

but if i did believe in these entities, i would have to say god is the more wicked and tricky, he did not want for us to have knowledge but to be naive creatures who worshipped and loved him. it was the devil who showed us the path to knowledge, and has never truly done anything to deceive.


just my 2 cents anyway :)


Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: BADecker on December 17, 2018, 03:57:32 PM
neither as neither exists. theyre merely constructs of a time when we thought we needed moral compasses in the form of almighty or wicked beings in order to guide and explain things for us.

but if i did believe in these entities, i would have to say god is the more wicked and tricky, he did not want for us to have knowledge but to be naive creatures who worshipped and loved him. it was the devil who showed us the path to knowledge, and has never truly done anything to deceive.


just my 2 cents anyway :)

Both are far greater than anyone can understand. To know that neither exist, one would have to know about a lot more of the universe than people know now. Why? Using their greater power, both could disguise their appearance so that nobody would ever recognize them.

Nobody knows enough about how the universe works to know that God and Satan don't exist. The thread, Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0), shows beyond all doubt that science proves that God exists.

Anyone who looks at the proofs in that thread, and still doesn't understand that God exists, is either in a religion of atheism, or is going that direction.

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Title: Re: Who is more wicked? God or Satan
Post by: Vod on December 17, 2018, 04:37:54 PM
The thread, Scientific proof that God does not exists -  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0) shows beyond all doubt that science proves that God exists.

Right.  You keep stating that bullshit, but obviously it's not true.

Explain how you can prove something you can't test?

Duh....