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Title: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 02:08:56 PM Karpeles is gone. we'll see how far down the legal sinkhole he goes, and just how dirty he is. Based on that joint statement put out by Coinbase, Circle, et al, I think Mark has been a bad, bad, boy, but that's another thread. At this rate the Foundation's logo should be a prison jumpsuit.
Anyhow, who sits in that empty chair (chairs if you count Charlies)? If we think the Foundation needs a bit of help selecting people that do not have their heads up their asses, maybe we can forward some suggestions. So, let's hear yours. Give reasons why if you're so inclined. Obviously these folks may be too damn busy, but that doesn't mean we can't ask. These can be serious or not so much. This is a serious question, but that doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to think we'll get all serious answers. For me CEO of Overstock. He loves it, loves the idea of it, has an independent mindset and knows how the big machine runs. He'll be able to sniff out the bullshit, identify what checks and balances are missing, and bring some legitimacy to the table. I'd love to see someone from the financial sector, although I can't think of any of them, at least in the private sector, that I'd trust for two seconds. In the public sector, it's not much different. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: TheEmperor on February 25, 2014, 02:26:06 PM Personally, I say disband the fucking thing. What has 'the foundation' actually done for the community? Oh, apart from lending credibility to its chairs, one of which has now been exposed as the biggest conman in legitimate Bitcoin history so far?
From their 'Why we need a foundation?' section: Quote As the Bitcoin economy has evolved, we have all noticed barriers to its widespread adoption—botnets that attempt to undermine the network, hackers that threaten wallets, and an undeserved reputation stirred by ignorance and inaccurate reporting. To us, it became clear that something had to be done. We see this foundation as critical for bringing legitimacy to the Bitcoin currency. Only then can we increase its adoption and positive impact on the world’s finance. BS BS BS. Surely the foundation should be auditing the companys that have representatives on their board? If not for the simple reason that if the foundation that supposedly brings credibility to Bitcoin is then shown to contain conmen and liers, then the whole community is now tarnished because of this. Every member is in it for the glory and nothing else. If they disagree, then prove me wrong? Issues technical and financial audits of all company's represented. Make the data publicly available. Run consumer usage surveys. DO ANYTHING TO ADD CREDIBILITY TO THE FOUNDATION! Just my 2 satoshis... Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: LiteCoinGuy on February 25, 2014, 02:29:14 PM Andreas Antonopoulos
Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Musent on February 25, 2014, 03:36:17 PM Disband, start over. Just like US government needs to do.
Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 03:44:35 PM Disband, start over. Just like US government needs to do. I'm fine with looking at it that way. I can't say the Foundation is looking as if it's qualified to lead anything, as it clearly can't even manage itself. Dream Team the organization that replaces the Foundation, if that is the way people, or individuals, would like to frame it. Pretty much Tomato, Tomatoe, as far as I'm concerned. Who is most qualified, right now, to take a position of leadership for the bitcoin community. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Musent on February 25, 2014, 04:33:29 PM Disband, start over. Just like US government needs to do. I'm fine with looking at it that way. I can't say the Foundation is looking as if it's qualified to lead anything, as it clearly can't even manage itself. Dream Team the organization that replaces the Foundation, if that is the way people, or individuals, would like to frame it. Pretty much Tomato, Tomatoe, as far as I'm concerned. Who is most qualified, right now, to take a position of leadership for the bitcoin community. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Gabi on February 25, 2014, 04:35:32 PM Disband
Stay disbanded Do not reform Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: SkyscraperFarms on February 25, 2014, 04:41:39 PM Every single person who has an address should be added to the board.
Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: MegaHustlr on February 25, 2014, 04:42:10 PM Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: exocytosis on February 25, 2014, 04:47:11 PM Lord Evelyn Rothschild.
Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: augustocroppo on February 25, 2014, 04:49:22 PM Karpeles is gone. we'll see how far down the legal sinkhole he goes, and just how dirty he is. Based on that joint statement put out by Coinbase, Circle, et al, I think Mark has been a bad, bad, boy, but that's another thread. At this rate the Foundation's logo should be a prison jumpsuit. Anyhow, who sits in that empty chair (chairs if you count Charlies)? If we think the Foundation needs a bit of help selecting people that do not have their heads up their asses, maybe we can forward some suggestions. So, let's hear yours. Give reasons why if you're so inclined. Obviously these folks may be too damn busy, but that doesn't mean we can't ask. These can be serious or not so much. This is a serious question, but that doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to think we'll get all serious answers. For me CEO of Overstock. He loves it, loves the idea of it, has an independent mindset and knows how the big machine runs. He'll be able to sniff out the bullshit, identify what checks and balances are missing, and bring some legitimacy to the table. I'd love to see someone from the financial sector, although I can't think of any of them, at least in the private sector, that I'd trust for two seconds. In the public sector, it's not much different. LoL Another captain of the industry? Bitcoin Foundation is an useless entity to protect the Bitcoin software consumers, independent of whoever is sitting at any imaginary chair... Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: ashapasa on February 25, 2014, 04:50:22 PM Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 04:57:53 PM Karpeles is gone. we'll see how far down the legal sinkhole he goes, and just how dirty he is. Based on that joint statement put out by Coinbase, Circle, et al, I think Mark has been a bad, bad, boy, but that's another thread. At this rate the Foundation's logo should be a prison jumpsuit. Anyhow, who sits in that empty chair (chairs if you count Charlies)? If we think the Foundation needs a bit of help selecting people that do not have their heads up their asses, maybe we can forward some suggestions. So, let's hear yours. Give reasons why if you're so inclined. Obviously these folks may be too damn busy, but that doesn't mean we can't ask. These can be serious or not so much. This is a serious question, but that doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to think we'll get all serious answers. For me CEO of Overstock. He loves it, loves the idea of it, has an independent mindset and knows how the big machine runs. He'll be able to sniff out the bullshit, identify what checks and balances are missing, and bring some legitimacy to the table. I'd love to see someone from the financial sector, although I can't think of any of them, at least in the private sector, that I'd trust for two seconds. In the public sector, it's not much different. LoL Another captain of the industry? Bitcoin Foundation is an useless entity to protect the Bitcoin software consumers, independent of whoever is sitting at any imaginary chair... sure, I'll take someone with his experience as one input out of several. BTC Foundation protects nothing, that's obvious, although it, or something like it is necessary to deal with the system as it exists. We can do nothing and form nothing, however, someone has to deal with the regulators, the banks, the others who would prefer that it fail. IMO that means some organization that has the purpose that the Foundation currently has in promoting bitcoin, but is manned by people that are actually capable of forwarding that mission without someone going to jail every other week. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: vm_mpn on February 25, 2014, 05:02:38 PM Eric Cartman would be logical replacement at this point
http://psyc2301.wikispaces.com/file/view/south_park_cartman-1045.jpg/134221761/south_park_cartman-1045.jpg Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: augustocroppo on February 25, 2014, 05:05:27 PM sure, I'll take someone with his experience as one input out of several. BTC Foundation protects nothing, that's obvious, although it, or something like it is necessary to deal with the system as it exists. We can do nothing and form nothing, however, someone has to deal with the regulators, the banks, the others who would prefer that it fail. IMO that means some organization that has the purpose that the Foundation currently has in promoting bitcoin, but is manned by people that are actually capable of forwarding that mission without someone going to jail every other week. You must be naïve or something... The CEO of whatever company is going to work to increase his profits, not to protect the consumers. In his interactions with regulators, banks and others, he is going to take decisions which benefits his business and not the consumers interests. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: hilariousandco on February 25, 2014, 05:26:17 PM I don't think we need to replace him or even need the board.
Andreas Antonopoulos Isn't he already on the board in some capacity? Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 05:34:08 PM sure, I'll take someone with his experience as one input out of several. BTC Foundation protects nothing, that's obvious, although it, or something like it is necessary to deal with the system as it exists. We can do nothing and form nothing, however, someone has to deal with the regulators, the banks, the others who would prefer that it fail. IMO that means some organization that has the purpose that the Foundation currently has in promoting bitcoin, but is manned by people that are actually capable of forwarding that mission without someone going to jail every other week. You must be naïve or something... The CEO of whatever company is going to work to increase his profits, not to protect the consumers. In his interactions with regulators, banks and others, he is going to take decisions which benefits his business and not the consumers interests. I'm not in any way naive. Using a logical fallacy such as that to discredit the other person's opinion without basis isn't really all that convincing. Your position seems to be that anyone with any experience that's actually out in the world doing something will be corrupt. That ignores an awful lot, I think, such as proper structure, a system of oversight and checks and balances, which obviously need to be worked on over there also, etc., etc., etc. do you have a solution/suggestion? it's fine if you don't and it's fine if your solution is to do nothing in the belief that the foundation, or anything like it is unnecessary, however, painting someone as naive because they don't share that opinion isn't actually a point of logic in any conversation, and some might say it shows quite a bit of naivete itself. so, if you've got a solution, please propose it and support it if you can. If not, no biggie, I'm just looking to generate conversation on what's next, as there is a next. There is always a next. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: justusranvier on February 25, 2014, 05:40:04 PM This is a first.
This thread isn't just posted in the wrong section of the forum - it's in the wrong forum entirely. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 05:50:19 PM This is a first. This thread isn't just posted in the wrong section of the forum - it's in the wrong forum entirely. Wait, is this a Bitcoin forum? Well, shit, and here I thought I was posting this discussion about bitcoin leadership on a cooking forum. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: kkaspar on February 25, 2014, 05:51:36 PM Eric Cartman would be logical replacement at this point http://psyc2301.wikispaces.com/file/view/south_park_cartman-1045.jpg/134221761/south_park_cartman-1045.jpg Eric Cartman and Mark Karpeles isn't the same person? Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: grifferz on February 25, 2014, 05:54:05 PM Andreas Antonopoulos https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/438049064039354368Quote I have no intention of running for the Bitcoin Foundation Board. It would only reduce my impact and ability to speak. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: augustocroppo on February 25, 2014, 05:59:06 PM I'm not in any way naive. Using a logical fallacy such as that to discredit the other person's opinion without basis isn't really all that convincing. Your position seems to be that anyone with any experience that's actually out in the world doing something will be corrupt. That ignores an awful lot, I think, such as proper structure, a system of oversight and checks and balances, which obviously need to be worked on over there also, etc., etc., etc. do you have a solution/suggestion? it's fine if you don't and it's fine if your solution is to do nothing in the belief that the foundation, or anything like it is unnecessary, however, painting someone as naive because they don't share that opinion isn't actually a point of logic in any conversation, and some might say it shows quite a bit of naivete itself. so, if you've got a solution, please propose it and support it if you can. If not, no biggie, I'm just looking to generate conversation on what's next, as there is a next. There is always a next. Yawn... How fastidious you are. :( There is not any solution at this point rather than the Bitcoin foundation just cease to exist. Simple as that. The Bitcoin foundation is like a building erected on soft sand: no matter what material is used, it will always crumble apart. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: DeathAndTaxes on February 25, 2014, 06:03:37 PM Andreas Antonopoulos https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/438049064039354368Quote I have no intention of running for the Bitcoin Foundation Board. It would only reduce my impact and ability to speak. If it were possible this would make me respect the man even more. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: justusranvier on February 25, 2014, 06:06:32 PM Wait, is the Bitcoin forum? Bitcoin Foundation is a private club that has its own forum. That's the right place for them to discuss their internal club affairs.Well, shit, and here I thought I was posting this discussion about bitcoin leadership on a cooking forum. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 06:09:38 PM Wait, is the Bitcoin forum? Bitcoin Foundation is a private club that has its own forum. That's the right place for them to discuss their internal club affairs.Well, shit, and here I thought I was posting this discussion about bitcoin leadership on a cooking forum. well, it could be discussed there, and it can also be discussed here. you don't have to discuss it if you don't want to but it is a perfectly legitimate topic for discussion for this forum. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: Pentax on February 25, 2014, 06:10:15 PM I'm not in any way naive. Using a logical fallacy such as that to discredit the other person's opinion without basis isn't really all that convincing. Your position seems to be that anyone with any experience that's actually out in the world doing something will be corrupt. That ignores an awful lot, I think, such as proper structure, a system of oversight and checks and balances, which obviously need to be worked on over there also, etc., etc., etc. do you have a solution/suggestion? it's fine if you don't and it's fine if your solution is to do nothing in the belief that the foundation, or anything like it is unnecessary, however, painting someone as naive because they don't share that opinion isn't actually a point of logic in any conversation, and some might say it shows quite a bit of naivete itself. so, if you've got a solution, please propose it and support it if you can. If not, no biggie, I'm just looking to generate conversation on what's next, as there is a next. There is always a next. Yawn... How fastidious you are. :( There is not any solution at this point rather than the Bitcoin foundation just cease to exist. Simple as that. The Bitcoin foundation is like a building erected on soft sand: no matter what material is used, it will always crumble apart. I was simply trying to be polite and give you another chance to act as if you weren't a conceited dickhead, which took a bit of doing, so my apologies on the fastidious nature of that post. Simply typing: "go fuck yourself" seemed a bit premature. at that point. c'est la vie..... Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: MakeBelieve on February 25, 2014, 06:12:34 PM I respect Mark for stepping down on his own least he did that for the community other than robbing peoples money. We don't need any one to fill the gap.
Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: IIOII on February 25, 2014, 06:14:21 PM Simply disband and distribute the remaining funds to Mt. Gox victims.
I've said it since day one: The bitcoin foundation (TBF) is a security risk to bitcoin. It achieves nothing that could not be achieved through other means. TBF has severely damaged bitcoin by installing shady characters in its very core (the Mt. Gox guy is not the only one). It has proclaimed to speak for the whole bitcoin ecosystem while in fact has absolutely ZERO legitimacy to do so. Title: Re: Who should be BTC Foundation's Replacement for Karpeles Post by: hilariousandco on February 25, 2014, 06:14:58 PM Wait, is the Bitcoin forum? Bitcoin Foundation is a private club that has its own forum. That's the right place for them to discuss their internal club affairs.Well, shit, and here I thought I was posting this discussion about bitcoin leadership on a cooking forum. Anyone can view it though. I don't know if there's any hidden boards or not though. |
