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Guys, be careful with your money and time. Many investor and bounty members look into the telegram group members before joining in ICO Project. Like by seeing 50K to 90K Members in a running ICO group, we make the decision to do bounty campaigns for them, and investors go to invest there. But almost 70% of members are fake, came from airdrop, bot, added without permission and so on. You will see some people keep praising that project, will hit, wow project, good admin and blah blah. They posted those fake praise because of bounty and airdrop. Everyone should more careful before investing in any project. What do you think about this matter? Share your thoughts.

In most cases, this is even worse than bots. These are real people, but they are so uninitiated and inactive that you might think they are bots ;D

This is very often I see on ICO group with members around 50,000 But message/day is only around 20-30, of course this is very suspicious compared to the real telegram group, only about 4000-8000 members are active in the chat. I think this is not entirely wrong from the ICO Team because they usually paid services to individuals or groups but of course it's not professional.

Uhh thank you for this warning. I never thought there would be something like this in the Telegram. People are desperately wanting to get instantly reach and so much scamming is going on everywhere. This is so depressing

This is normal these days, mostly the member of the telegram groups are from airdrops.
also bounties requiring their participant to join both bounty chat and main telegram of the project.
well, it is so sad that it is not unique now...

you/re right. those blah blah people are not helping any project at all. they are just doing tasks of bounty campaigns and think that they do it correct. but they are not.

you can't say all of them is fake inactive members, I think ICO project telegram channel have more than 10K members because most of them came from airdrop, they just bring more people know their project, it's normal if you saw that most of them inactive, by the way, ICO project Telegram Channel total member not the only reason for me to join their project bounty campaign or become an investor, most of the time I'll reading their whitepaper and roadmap

I agree with you and that's why i will try to analyze these members and if there will be active communications between the developer and the investors about the technical discussiong of the ico itself and it can be considered as a good thing. But if that's not and then it's just another fake telegram users.

Numbers tend to impress people. This leading to some ICO or even company want to have a strong number of followers, like, tweet,...

I agree with you. Many telegram groups have tens of thousands of people.
However, only a few people are active each day, so most of the time I pay more attention to the number of people actually holding tokens.

I think it's too foolish to look into telegram channel alone. And there must be a few people who does base their decision on the number of subscribers on a particular channel. Though it has an effect to whether an investor will go for a particular project, it's most likely a no for them.

Anyone can easily determine whether a Telegram group numbers are real. If a project's announcement thread was posted, say 2 days ago, barely had 1–2 pages with replies, but their Telegram group is raking in 10K–50K members out of nowhere, you know it is fake/paid/bots.

Thank you very much for the warning. I have noticed this the past few days but I have not really been able to prove it on my own. Now it seems like there are no more questions about it. People are tricking others even in Telegram.

Such methods have been used for a long time to attract investors, so this is not new to us, but still you are right and everyone should be more careful when choosing an ICO.

Yes, it is happening now. In real telegram group, they have only 8k to 10K members but every day more than 3 thousands messages come in those groups and almost every message coming from the investor! ICO organizer should know the fake number is nothing to compare with legal members.

Yes you are right, i have also experienced that even in some ico channels with thousands of members we see only a handful active members, this just shows that either these are fake members or have no interest in the project and have reached the channel from airdroo or bounty campaign, i think such membership is unnatural and doesnot help the project in any positive way.

I can only agree with that.
A large telegram group should not be a deciding factor for why you invest there.
You get a large telegram group quickly through a bounty campaign.

That's why I did not say all of them are fake o bot. I said almost 70% People are fake, they came from the airdrop or bounty and they keep posting unnecessary praising words and those words are the same and not helpful at all. Recently I have seen Ubex ICO project, they made 50K to 95K Telegram members within a few days, all come from the airdrop! Did you remember Uchit scam ICO? Uchit telegram group has 50K Members, they gained 15 Million USD if I am not wrong and they scammed. I hope you understand now.

  ;D ;D ;D ;D True, very true. Human bots

We caused this. Small legitimate groups realized nobody cared much since they had low numbers. Evidently people really dont care about your legitimacy, all they care about are giant communities. So I say we pushed ICOs up to the point where they need 50k members before they can be taken seriously and that has also made fake ICOs follow the same pattern.

That's why I think we should always do a thorough investigation before trying to invest or campaign for an ICO, many things of this system are highly manipulable, from the price, to the real investors or the scores on the review sites, we always have to be alert to any irregularities that arise and try to support us as a community, thank you for your service.

Making an investment decision based on the population of the Telegram community of a project is definitely a no - no for me.
Some projects could even go further in their dubious nature by buying ratings from rating websites. One definitely needs to carry out a detailed research on projects before committing funds in order to avoid Losses.

and the average group member is a bounty campaign participant. seldom do we see a telegram group that is purely investors. I'm not saying this is wrong, but this can confuse investors. they think this project is good because it has a lot of members, apparently only contains bots and bounty participants

yeah, most of telegram group now full of bots,,
bounty participants just a little part of the group, maybe the project team think if their telegram group have a lot of members
they can attract more investors, but, this absolutely a big mistake

Having a huge community is only a small factor that impact investors to invest in ICO. They are more interested in the project idea, authenticity of the team and it's credibility and their marketing strategy.

That is true. There more fake social media fans, followers, paid videos, ratings... Better be extremely careful.

We have to be cautious. Because the deceivers around us are roaming around. Most foul members of this group You must verify before investing anywhere. Your awareness will protect your money.

True indeed. Now a days the market is loaded with scams. I would suggest everyone to be cautious as much as possible.

There are always 2 sides of every good work, one side is good and other side is bad. One way telegram is helping all ICO investors by immediately replying to investors queries and other way scammers are active scamming new bees. But one thing i wanted to say loud and clear is that crypto world itself is full of uncertainties and people whoever coming here to make money should know this world first before stepping in.

personally, in selecting an ico I will see the telegram group. if the admin in the telegram is always active in answering questions from the members and providing the latest information about the project, then it can be said that the project can be trusted and it's worthy to be followed. we must actively ask, so we can know the progress of the project.

Most of the ICO telegram groups are fake. But for me it’s a helpful place because it currently helping lots and lots of new comers who is either investing first time or who is unaware about various process to participate of ICO. I also benefited a lot from those groups. So my advice is to choose the right group and then use it.

I can’t agree with you more. I also noticed many telegram channel has tens thousands or more people. But you’ll find a few people active each day.

This is very sad and unprofessional. I never thought something like this would ever happen in telegram groups. This might decrease peoples' attraction in ICO. Thank you very much for your warning post.

I am not surprised. Even during the telegram bounty campaigns, a lot of the members who sign up are actually fake. As of now, there is no concrete mechanism here in Bitcointalk to link a particular user account to a unique BTC or ETH address. If that is done, this practice can be put to an end.

Oh thanks for sharing this very important post with us. People can be concerned about it reading this. I hope nobody gets manipulated again by those fake comments. Those groups should be avoided

I think you cant say all the members are inactive. As I know ICO project telegraph has more than 10k members most of them are came from airdrop. Among them some of the people are helping any project.

So true.
There are many fake and fraudulent accounts on the telegram. Almost I was fooled.
Your post is very useful, hopefully there will be no more victims after the notification that you made. Thank you very helpful.

It is the truth. Most of them are fake and inactive members, they join for bounty and airdrop and don't left any comments, the only active members are admins.

True. I have known this from a long time which is why I usually warn any prospective investors from falling for such silly traps. Real communication between the developers and the participants needs to be observed for sometime before deciding whether they are legit or not. This usually helps weed out the scam groups from the legit ones. Don't fall for the numbers people. It is very easy to fall for such stuff. Great warning post op. As investors get smarter, these scams will fall in number paving way for legitimate cryptocurrencies to shine.

it's true. Because they are used for bad purposes, sometimes the DEV team wants to quickly develop a project that creates many virtual members or even a cheat element of the user.

Yes I totally agree with you. I've also seen some telegram groups where there are many people listed, but only a few are active. Full of bots and unprofessional people. You may not get much help from the group. This is very sad and frustrating.

This is completely wrong. I personally used get convinced and influenced by those fake praises. Fortunately I could detect those later I decided not to those comments seriously. This is very bad thing happening nowadays

This thing is going on for a long time. Most of the people in these groups are bots. And also many are from airdrops. You may not get help desired help from them about the ICO project. This is very sad and depressing. Beware from them.

Thats oe of the biggest problems existing currently n the market, not everything you see is legit, most of these forums are full but the participants are inactive,most of who doesn't even know what is going on, and are just there ceremoniously, which is quite unfortunate as its misleading on the popularity of the ICO

I don’t believe this! Why people create so much traffic on a group with fake activities. I mean they are going to be caught.  These unprofessionalism deeds bring a bad reputation of crypto market

I agree with that. I have seen this in many telegram groups. They are using some kind of bots to post frequent praise message in multiple groups. Some groups have 30-90k members which were the result of bots adding thousands of users to the group without them knowing. I need to check frequently and leave those group manually.

Now the cheat is full. All of us have to be aware of. The awareness will protect our money. About 70% of the group's fake Who can deceive us They have to be avoided.

This type of crime is indeed an awful lot of manifold. Including in terms of group a telegram. Some are deliberately creating fake accounts, just to confuse the user. So impressed was active.

I also sometimes think that in the telegram groups there are a lot of different kinds of robots that are clearly not like the actions of people. It seems that now there are a lot of similar actions, which are often just stuffed with bots.

Airdrops and referral program makes bunch of telegram members inactive, I've found myself in couple telegram group without joining them so I mark them spam and exit,,, it's very important to be careful before investing, using telegram group as a yardstick to measure the genuinety of project isn't advisable

They are not fake, those accounts are real but sometimes are alt account who want to cheats the campaign, and they are just bounty hunters who participating on the airdrops and telegram campaigns, if the projects is good then it has a campaign, the member will grow rapidly more after bounty registration announce, and 70%-80% of them are hunters.

It's better for us to familiar certain ICO before joining any kind of their program, search and reading their official whitepaper can help us a lot understanding the platform of that project not relying mainly the communication in the telegram.

I think telegram channels should be banned. There are more than 10 thousands of users in a real group but on average, there are 2-4 thousand people are active. The fake ICOs shares fake number. Don’t trust them.

Yes there are many ICOs who are fake. They make fake projects and collect peoples coins. Then they go vanish. They provide false informations. People should be alert about them and their activities.

The crypto market is now gone full of frauds and cheaters. They make false ICOs. That’s why they’re providing false information and also fake telegram numbers like this. Beware of them. They can be your worst nightmare.

These fake groups and members are a threat for the crypto market. They just allure the people by showing their fake profiles and projects and people also invest in those projects. So, they get cheated. So, the people should check properly before investing.

Yes, I agree with you. Because of no rules and regulations in the cryptocurrency market or ICO projects, there are a lot of fake projects in the market. They just show the scammy projects and people can’t understand which is real or fake.

yes, first we can find ico who will succeed by seeing how many members on the telegram the more opportunities for success, nowadays a lot of cheaters add members without permission and finally the group becomes a hotbed of spam we think the ICO will succeed just the opposite, so we have to be more careful about choosing an ico to invest

I'm not surprised with that, to built group/ project/ web/ blog we need something about increase members numbers. When number have high quantity some people mostly will believe and will follow it without asking again. So, in this case just let it go, as long they always keep up date information and solving members problems, everything will fine.

Which is why I also don't interact inside the telegram, seem a waste of time when all you see are those praises. And when you ask some questions, it gets burred and a team representative doesn't even bother to reply. I'm not a fan of sending PMs because I want people to know the answers to the question I raise. But yes no reply. I quit using telegram but since the team requires to join their telegram in joining their campaign, I so did join.

Yeah that's true because I observe that on my telegram that I have many channel where I did not join them. It's so easy to get a bigger community in telegram channel as they can easily add those active username. I seen a channel with 90k members with just few had active and others were deleted accounts. Better to check first and report them as a scam and leave their channel.

To my regret it is true and after ICO these members become inactive and shat is full of bots, advertisement.
 I appreciate smaller groups, but with real people discussing crypto related stuff

Thanks for making us aware of it. Though i have noticed it before. Investors should think twice before making any kind of decisions. Because these fake members can easily manipulate investors.

I think that you are spot on, with projects making people join their telegram channels just for aridrops is why they have so many members and not because that many people are interested in investing in the project. They make it a must for you to join the telegram for bounties too so most of the members are not active and not even involved in the project.

Yeah, a lot of people are just chatting nonsense and just keep on adding up. And sometimes Telegram manager are being replaced at a very fast rate. Maybe it isone of the indications of a fake ICO.

People invest their valuable money in the ICO projects to get a profit. But most of these projects are fake. After investing money, the people are just getting cheated. So, people have to aware of this.

The number of people and praise should not be a criterion for choosing a project. Teams attract a large number of participants thanks to bounty and airdrop.

This is the sad downside of airdrops.

Yes they do bring in a large amount of people, but in terms of sustainability and retention, the odds are many of these people will simply come for the free tokens and leave soon after, only to dump the coin the moment they see a small increase in price.

Give me 1000 real and passionate people over 40000 bots and airdroppers any day :)

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Thanks much for sharing this with us and make us aware of it. It is really a very bad thing. Hopefully everyone will be alert from next time.

You are obviously true my friend. There have lot of scam ico in current situation. We need to be careful before invest on any ico projects. We also need to check their telegram group to be safe from scamer.

It’s really rubbish. I also face this kind of fake praise but I never take those comments seriously. I don’t know why people do that. It’s just making the reputation bad of crypto market.   

I completely agree. There are a lot of Telegram bounty churners. Once I saw like 50 Telegram accounts with the same Avatar and text. Joining probably for a bounty reward. These profiles are not active.

Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth. You will see a campaign recently launched, before you know it, thousands are on the page. proceed to confirm on their Twitter page, you will see just a fraction following them. How on Earth?! If that is not enough to convince you, you will see another case where bounty hunters and all are asking about bounty distribution and complaining about the whole project, Lo and behold, you will see some accounts praising the admins and the project. I'm always like who the hell is this?  Can't pinned it down to nothing but fake accounts and bots.

You just say there are more than 70% fake members. We all have to be cautious. Our warning will protect our resources. We must be aware of ourselves and it will have to be promoted more. People have to be aware of.

Most of this cases are due to Airdrop or Telegram bounty. Many cheaters created hundreds or even thousand fake accounts to joint ICO telegram group.
But currently many investors evaluate an ICO by their WP and Team members, and this doesn't affect too much.

yes you are right. we should aware about this type of group. i think we become scammed because of this. the wrong information is really harmful for us.

i think you are right but not fully. actually these type of groups are from airdrop and most of them are bounty hunter. so you can not blame them as an inactive member.

True and I am very disappointed about it. They usually create a group in telegram then just invite everyone dunno how they doing it but I always received a new group notification in my telegram and I usually just click the report and leave button at the top of said group.

I agree with you, and that is why I will try to analyze these members and if there is an active relationship between the developer and investors about the technical discussion about the ICO itself, and this can be considered a good thing, if it is not, then it is just another fake telegram user.

i think this type of group is used for promoting their ICO. they want attract the investors. we shouldn't choose ICO on basis of the group. we should be careful ,analyze the ICO personally.

Back then, A vital criteria that is necessary for the successful of any project (not just the ico) was heavily dependent on the community size. But since VCs came in, ICOs switched to the airdrop /referral/proof of love marketing just to show VCs that they've a strong community so the VCs would invest. But that's shitty. It harms the ico in the long run. See Wepower, Go network or Hero node. These projects had over 100k Telegram members. Not anymore.

I don't think what was on the mind of the team behind the ICO when putting bots to make uninformative and unconstructive commets in their groups, they do exactly the opposite, they substract more legitibility from them, plus, the members of the team could even get ashamed of this.

Although we can't say that they are fake or fraud. They are more than 50,000 in number so there may be something else. But in this case, we must have a little caution. And before investing we must have knowledge in that field.

it is still better than after entering the telegram group, the contents are only full of airdrop advertisements and various other unimportant things. i think its also caused by we fill the fake airdrops form

Scammers are really smart they noticed that some of the projects that became successful had big telegram communities and in order to simulate that they found ways to up the number of people in their telegram channels, and as you may guess one indicator that was useful to gauge the interest of people in a project is gone and now you need to find another one until the scammers find a way to fake that one too.

Totally agree with you! That type of telegram groups have paid members and some get through softwares. I also know some mobile apps which help to grow telegram members like Telemembers and Mebersgram. But some people don't know how to catch those groups which have 50K members but mostly are fake. You can check it through by message seen. If any message of group is seen by 1/4 th of members then that group are called fake members group.

Abosolutely true. Instead of paying more attention to the product development, ICO spend too much energy on creation of ostensible community presence which vaporizes as soon as their bounty campaign is over.

Yes it is true most of the telegram members are inactive or fake accounts, they will use dummy accounts to get more credits specially in bounty telegram campaign. ICO telegram need active and supportive members not fake and inactive

Indeed, it cannot be denied by the community which is located on the telegram channel which looks great, not all members are investors. only a few people discussed the project being stretched.

I agree with you, to distinguish fake accounts, you must see chat activities in the group. the admin should be able to create rules so that fake accounts can be recognized. for example make a rule to comment or say hello in a group.
maybe that can help.

   That is true most of the telegram group has a lot of fake inactive members just to vaprized their group and to show to all that they have large community so that you are able to trust them and invest on their project. That is one of telegram strategy to convince people and investors. So,be careful,much better to study very well their project  before investing. Why not try to invest in the project under my signature The Organicco,it is a great project which the purpose is to develope green technology for the beautiful planet in the future. It has many active members in telegram group. You can study it very well here....https://organicco.uk

If someone else judges the company by the number of participants - the situation is simply terrible. Have you not yet learned to evaluate the activity, interest, work of managers? Yes, it's strange, like all the ICO and bounty are already going ...  ::) ::) ::)

Actually they are not fake they are real most of them are bounty hunters and i didn't even heard that investors are looking for telegram members before investing on ICO's.

Its true that most of ICO telegram group has a fake inactive member and even bots. They make a big fake community to attract investors. But this is also a marketing strategy to gain attention and hype. But always be careful if you want to invest in this ICO's and always check if they update in their social media and check their roadmap.

That's true that Most of the telegram Group are INactive members, They can afford to get alot of simcards and joining alot of campaigns. I have a friend of mine do the same thing, I'm outside of their horizon and i can't make their fake identity to join several telegram group.

its not really new to see a fake/bot accounts on telgram . even it is not related to ico's or cryptos , bots are always anywhere , not only on telegram but also on other social media sites like facebook , twitter , instagram and as well as on websites and forums but you can still easily tell whether they are fake  or not by just basing on their activity .  fake accounts tend to post stuffs that are bad or weird  , while legit accounts is obviously posting a meaningful content and are always following the rules and guidlines about the community  . so beware of them

It might be true but mojority of them are from airdrops and because of that they are inactive in telegram groups.  But yes, all should be carefull about investment in any project.

yes you are right. we should aware about this type of group. i think we become scammed because of this. the wrong information is really harmful for us.

These are really unexpected. I don’t understand why people do this kind of fake activities. It’s really make bad impression in crypto market.

My friends had loss for these kind of people. He invested in a garbage project by listening some fake reviews. After that he is now really careful and i think we all need to take precautions to prevent loss.

Looking for a good, of course, ICO can be seen from the social media community. As we analyze the telegram, we should know that the telegram is very active. And the Manager is always active with questions given by the participants. And they are not robots, and if that happens we have to be careful because it could have been a scam.

I agree with you statement but I found some people are helping some project and they just doing bounty campaign. So I pay a lot of attention to see how many people hold token everyday.

yes, I saw no more than a quarter of the members on the telegram active and supported discussions in the telegram group, because most of them were airdrop bounty participants who joined the telegram

Definitely I participated in several telegram groups of ICOs and found that only 10% of the members are real. Groups of 50-100k members only have about 5000-10000 members active. The rest are fake by the airdrop telegram, there is no telegram group with a real member number up to 30-100k member

So all the telegram channels do, and not only the ICO, but it's really annoying when people do not know anything about the project, but they praise as much as they can!

They are just there to benefits from the bounty campaigns, most of the time this people are just aiming to be compensated and not really part of the project, investors should need to be very careful to avoid being scammed look for the project itself if it's usable and the team are active in all the channels that they can be reach.

Yes, I know that there are lists of inactive accounts in Telegram, which are added in order to increase the number of participants in the group. In this case, the activity of the chat in such groups remains minimal. Such lists are easy to obtain in groups dedicated to discussing various bounty campaigns.

This is the norm with ICO telegram groups and it's really heart wrenching to find out that more than half of the members on the group are either bots or people added with their consent and they end up being inactive on the group. I had such experience with JET8 ICO. When we later found out that the bloated telegram numbers were not real. The project is almost dead now and losses were incurred.

SO, DON'T FALL THE HIGH TELEGRAM NUMBERS!

Now the cheat is full. All of us have to be aware of. The awareness will protect our money. About 70% of the group's fake Who can deceive us They have to be avoided.

This has been happening for a long time. Cheating participants and things like that is not a new phenomenon. Better study the project and team before investing in an ICO or participating in a bounty company.

This is a normal picture I believe because most telegram members come from airdrops and bounties and their participants both need to join both the chat and project telegram of the project. So it can happen.

Spams, fakes, and frauds are everywhere. So be conscious of what you are doing now. Telegram groups are no other, many groups are just setups to make people fooled by them. You keep your eyes on to keep your firm existence in the crypto space.

Many newbie look into the ICO telegram group for getting preparation after invest on ICO projects. But many of the member are appeared as fake and inactive. So need to be careful about that.

We should be careful always and our self is the only one.we need to trust. It is hard to trust anybody for now but if you knew the person very well it's good atleast you have plenty of trustworthy person. We should be aware on telegram and to people we talk. And do not give your full identity to someone you didn't know. Just be aware from your surroundings and be observer.

The whole telegram spamming thing is kind of annoying actually, it doesn't show that the group is active and constructive, it only shows a lot of posts that keep drowning the comments with a real purpose.

Unfortunately, this also applies to Twitter and Facebook, YouTube... Now all the bounty managers require to join the group in telegram of project. Thus, filling by the members of the community can no longer be a sign of a scam due the bounties and airdrops.

These days, projects divide Telegram accounts into bots with airdrop and regular accounts with bounty. But I think in such groups there are a lot of bots and fakes. You're right. ???

I do not think that the presence of many people in the telegram group is the only important criterion for choosing an ico. The most important thing that the product was valuable to society.

i think you are right but not fully. actually these type of groups are from airdrop and most of them are bounty hunter. so you can not blame them as an inactive member.

I have found that between 7 and 12 thousand people in the telegram is a healthy number and usually has the strongest community.  The ones with 40 to 50 thousand in telegram are usually hyped up scam projects.  You want to run from these types of scams. 

Although we can't say that they are fake or fraud. They are more than 50,000 in number so there may be something else. But in this case, we must have a little caution. And before investing we must have knowledge in that field.

No doubt there're so many fraudsters in the market, we should take it as a fact and differentiate the scam from good projects. It's not so easy but you'll be able to distinguish real people from bots in Telegram channels if you spend even 6 months in the market.

I don't consider this criteria when investing or trying to participate in bounties. I've known that too many of these are fakes. Even media hype about them are not too trusted as they can pay people to highlights only the good aspects of their projects.

it's just to enliven the community on the telegram. I'm not sure if the community on the telegram is a member who understands crypto. so I think it's normal when telegrams are just fake members.

I wonder what the leaders of the project would think about the telegram group simply spammed by useless comments, if I were some of them I would prefer the group to be more quiet in that case.

When one is to invest in an ico, I doubt his our her criteria should be how large the telegram group is, because even ico groups with little members may do better than ico groups with large number so. So I don't see it as a reason why one should invest. But considering the fake member, at times it's true, as only few of the members on some groups are even active at all.

If anyone wants to get helped by telegram group they need to detect real telegram group otherwise they should be cheated by fraud.

Never fall in a trap by fake ICO telegram group because many group are fake and it’s member are fake and inactive. So, be careful and safe with your wallet.

It’s a problem that a group with fake inactive members . sometime it can create worse situation with spreading fake news .It should be solved.

There are many telegram group here which are appeared as fraud and it’s curriculum is not reliable because there huge number of member who are inactive and fake.

You can see many fraud telegram group has around 50k more member but you get a few message from their and it’s around 15to 20. It’s should be define that it’s a fake telegram group. So be careful always.

There are many telegram which contains lots of member and maximum of them are not active because they are fake. So hope everyone should avoid them.

I cant believe telegram allow this despite the fact that they take banning very personal. I have always watch closely some of the group I found my self in without myself joining the page. if this is allowed then it should be a kind bug that telegram show consider solving because it is really bad. you can Imagine an ICO using fake numbers of people in telegram to deceive investors into investing in their project that is really not ok at all.

The first condition of the Airdrops is now to join telegram groups. In this case, most telegram groups are dead zones.

I think you cant say all the members are inactive. As I know ICO project telegraph has more than 10k members most of them are came from airdrop. Among them some of the people are helping any project.

Sometimes I was amazed how it happens, it seems the group is new, and subscribers already 30-50k

We have to be cautious. Because the deceivers around us are roaming around. Most foul members of this group You must verify before investing anywhere. Your awareness will protect your money.

It is a matter of fact that some members are inactive in this group if it is true then authority should take any action based on this because it is related with reputations of the forum.

I think if this matter is true then the higher authority should take any step against them because after few days later it will be known as inactive forum.

I think Authority should take steps such types of Fake inactive members because it is harmful for forum and this will be the cause of bad impression of the forums.

These days the rate of scammed ICOs have increased a lot. We need to be very careful while investing on ICO project. Recently It is seen that many fake accounts are opened on Telegram groups that posts false praise regarding the ICOs.

I agree that it is very important to pay attention to the telegram channel.  I think a good sign, if in a telegram, admins are also team members and developers.  Then you can ask at any time.  When I was new to the bounty, I joined two campaigns, that did not have telegram chat, but only a news channel.  That was my fault.  These projects turned out to be a scam. Well, I only participated in the bounty, but did not invest in these projects.

Unfortunately, there are no laws against this fake ICO projects. Regulations must be strictly followed when ico project enters into the market. We need to be careful as the fake accounts on telegram might trap you by false praise.

It's true, they are even reports of ICOs adding fake telegram accounts in their group and posting messages themselves in the pretence of keeping the group active. But it's true that majority of the telegram groups are filled with fake accounts, multiple accounts by airdrop and bounty members.

ICOs that don't attract these spammers and inflate their numbers include (of course) those that don't offer airdrops and bounties, but also those that offer non-crypto rewards. What I mean by that is when projects offer point rewards and whatnot, instead of amounts of tokens you get participation from legitimate supporters, not freeloaders.

It there are a lot of inactive members, the admin needs to take action regarding this immediately or else the forum will lose its image as an inactive one.

Everyone knows that most ICOs do offer some airdrop for telegram members and that is always going to mean that people who are not really interested Join. JUst judge as investor the face value of that.

They got many members on their telegram group but look on how few the active ones.

Remember one of the bounty, its just by joining the telegram channel.

I have noticed that too and it is fraudulent. It gives a false impression of the community supporting the project, and that is a key factor I use in assessing a project. I switched over to twitter, it is less with twitter and you can measure it against the activity on posts

Yes, they are majorly fake. Saw a project I dd the bounty, some perisstons started complaining that they do not know how they go there, The admin will say "maybe someone who knows you added you. This is just very a big mockery

I don't think that this would be a problem as long as you won't give any personal informations to them because some are scammers or those who will personally message you just to ask for your private keys and as such. While when it comes on the numerous cases of people joining telegrams without any participation on the project, it is a normal thing nowadays that people checks one project telegram before joining their bounty.

I totally agree with you. This is not the new experience, but after the march, I have seen lots of ICO Project has a telegram group with lots of members! I thought they bought those members and most of the members are inactive there. I have seen a website, where telegram members are available to buy! I am not sure, but ICO owners may buy those members!

We need to be more careful here. Thank you for this awareness.

Thank you for the warning though. It s sad to see such thing taking place given the situation of the market is already so bad.

This is sad to see. Not only will these inactive members will reduce the participation in the forums, they will even make the forum look inactive too.

I stopped checking for Telegram groups of the ICOs once I found out most of the members were either inactive or spamming the group messages which clearly indicates that there was something fishy about the Telegram groups.

This is very unprofessional; that why you see a group of 50k members; but when the want to vote for there coin only 500 people would vote.

Yes, I have seen a number of projects that wind up visitors and subscribers, also worked with such services, it's a matter of a couple of dollars, and you pay them hundreds of dollars.

Yes there is high chance of that and it is just for the purpose of attracting the people and showing the power that they have huge crowd with them as a supporter but nothing like that is really true about it. I also see that many groups are having the quiz on the telegram and I literally see only 10-15 people getting engaged with the admin and thus it proves the fact rest of the people are not interested or only there for having the rewards of joining the telegrams.  So it is the question of concern whether they are trying to deceive people or investors in that way or its just the fake referrals that are being put forth.

Because of such members, other investors are disadvantaged

That was expected from the ICOs. Those, who can create fake website, whitepaper and team just to prove the investors that they are an actual ICO, can definitely also open up a Telegram community group filled with bots and their own users who will never respond in the group, If you find something suspicious like this, I suggest you abort the mission right then and there.

Some projects are just too shiity cheap. Recruiting fake telegram user to attracting investors. One really need to be careful of such unprofessional practices. I just wish investors could go through their website and check the team's KYC.

Yes i have to says that is true because i have been seen that there was telegram groups which have more than 20k members but seems not all the members of those channels were active even more likely they only asking about the bounty such as when the tokens will distributed or related of it and seems not too supporting to the projects

That's too bad to hear though. So is there any solution on how this things work out? To prevent those pretentious or pseudo members or whatsoever they call themselves. It is unjust if that keeps spreading their kind. Only getting tokens without effort at all.

This is already known to a very large number of people, because after I go into a chat of a project, I immediately see a huge number of bots that write the same thing. It's strange why there are still no tools to block this.

Additionally, if you're going to check their members and you can see most of it were a deleted account or just a account that is inactive because it was only added for telegram members attraction. Some other telegrams was only flooded by airdrops and you can see that they were all talking about it whilst the good projects has a small group members but has a solid investors.

Though I haven't faced any such situation yet but I have seen numerous posts on these topic on various forums. Seems like now only checking the ICO community size is not enough anymore, we need to check how many users are active and participating in discussions and try identifying those users with Botlike responses to determine if it is a scam or not.

This is typical nowadays, for the most part, the individual from the message bunches are from airdrops. additionally, bounties requiring their member to join both abundance visit and principle wire of the task. Though It is known to most of the users.

you can't state every one of them is phony idle individuals, I think ICO venture wire station have in excess of 10K individuals in light of the fact that a large portion of them originated from airdrop, they simply convey more individuals to know their task.

This is normal these days, mostly the member of the telegram groups are from airdrops since they require their participants to join both bounty chat and main telegram of the project.

Because some participants are so greedy that's why they have created a bot account. And some of them are real accounts but not active. There are many cheaters in crypto and doing airdrop is not a good strategy and should not included in bounty program.

Yes i have seen many groups like that and i think this is normal because many people's joins lots of bounty and Airdrop but can't check their telgram due to massive amount of groups so they are looking inactive or bots.

I concur with you and that is the reason I will attempt to break down these individuals and if there will be dynamic interchanges between the engineer and the speculators about the specialized exchange of the ico itself and it can be considered as something to be thankful for. In any case, if that is not and after that it's simply one more phony message clients.

It`s true, many telegram groups are full of fake members from airdrops and bot registrations.
So it is not enough to see the number of a group, you have to see the activity as well if the project
has a real supporting community or not.

Stupid trend "if a lot of people so the project is good", I hope it will end soon.

Take some average telegram channel, about 10k or more people and search in Group Info for "deleted account".
You'd surprised if you track how many of them appear daily. :)

Unfortunately, we have to admit - there really are a lot of inactive or fake users. This fact should be taken into account when choosing ICO.

This is interesting to know that such telegram manipulation is going on in ICO telegram groups, when ever I see much members in ICO telegram groups I will shout wow! this ICO have gain acceptance and popularity already and there is all tendency for the ICO to success.This an eye opener I will be careful and observance from now on.

Nothing new. Have you ever participated in airdrops? The bottom line is - for subscribing to their official social networks, you get a little of their coins, which in the future can greatly increase in price (or not). If you like the project, you will participate in the discus, but most often it is a dead community.

Yeah even I also see that the most of the ico telegram group has fake inactive members. They just create a fake website, whitepaer, roadmap etc. They try to make the people to invest on it but further it is seen that there team members are inactive in telegram. If you feel any doubt then do not invest any scam ICO.

In fact it really depends on the community and the project. Some channels have less than 5k people that generate thousands posts daily and the discussion doesn't stop even at night time. And there are lots of channels with tens of thousands participants and less than hundred messages a day. :)

Yes, this is already a confirmed fact - this risk for investors is often encountered, so it must be taken into account when choosing the appropriate ICO option.

I have pointed that out a long time ago on the threads of people trying to sell Telegram members in the service section and to be honest I think they should get tagged because I believe this is cheating and be deceiving for investors in thinking something that is not true which is the size of the community involved in a certain project we all know that the size of community plays a big factor in any ICO.

Personally, I, too, have been convinced of this problem many times, too many inactive and fake users. It is necessary to take this nuance into account when searching for ICO.

Those telegram groups with huge number of members seems to be not true. Half of them or even 3/4 of the members are bot. This is so sad, large community with fake people.

Indeed, I myself convinced that most of all participants do not belong to a specific project, they are not at all active or fake for the sake of increasing the number of accounts.

You have created an awareness that is very important and that will be very useful, not only now, but also in future investments or campaigns. I have seen telegram groups like that and at a point, it baffled me to see different praises coming from different members and it seems those doing it are almost the same set of people. The telegram group, as well as the channel has huge number of members. That is more reason lesser number of people contribute positively by asking questions that test the authenticity of the project. Investors and bounty participants just need to take to caution.

Also, many telegram groups have a lot of members, but the online rate and activity is very limited. I think that's a scam to attract the community.

That is what is going on now. Most of them just force people to join their telegram channels so when investors join the channels they would think that there is a lot of people behind the project. The way that they get the most members is by doing airdrops and bounties and making it mandatory to join their telegram channel before you can participate.

Well, I think this is very possible in the current market situation. Must do a thorough examination before investing in ICO. Now social networks like that can hired scissors members very easily

The things that I often encounter are bots, they are so many in the telegram group, and can even harm other members. My advice should not be to join a telegram group, because it will result in your telegram username, for example being invited without permission.

I am exprerienced about telegram and if you want to check, there is telegram stat service. Compare views with actual number of members, it should be like 10-15% for 24 hours. if we speak about chat, there is no sense to create chat for more than 5 k users, it looks artificial and all just spam

Not only fake members, they can just buy telegram group that already has members and just rename it. I really do not watch at the number of members, because it's not so big deal.

I'm sorry for your friend but this is becoming very common there are many websites giving reviews about particular icos and it's very likely that those sites are accepting payments from the icos to give positive reviews about those projects so they can deceive people and attract investors and make money that way, so you can only trust yourself when it comes to investing never rely on the advice of someone else.

This is normal. See if a ICO project is worth investing. We should also pay attention to the degree of discussion and communication in telegraph. If there are not many people communicating, this is a matter to be vigilant.

This is really really true. there are a lot of telegram groups with mostly fake members. So you join a group thinking that the over a thousand members you are seeing are legit, but truth is they are fake or mostly bots. I recently found out that there are ways and people who 'sell' members to telegram groups that are interested. So don't get carried away always by the number of people you see as members of a group, it is very possible that they are fake.

You are right, investors and bounty campaign participants often pay attention to the number of subscribers in social networks, but this is not the main factor by which to judge the success of the project, but only one of the few.

That is true, if you look at them they are only getting such high amount of members because they do not allow people to join or participate in their airdrops if you do not join their telegram group. Nobody should judge a project by the amount of members that they have on telegram because what matters in the end is the peole that are willing to invest in the coin.

It's true because the telegram is also bought when you search on Google "how to buy a telegram member".
But it can also get results from airdrops that collect telegram to enter the group.

As I understand, the inactivity of participants in the Telegram groups and channels of many ICO projects is due to the fact that most of them are bounty hunters or airdroppers. In addition, thousands of fake subscribers, both real and bots, can be bought very cheaply, just ask Google for a search.
In any case, investing in ICO requires more thorough analysis than the assessment of the activity of the ICO telegram channel.

Yes this is quite through, it is also hard for the ICO managers to add bots and inactive members inside the telegrams group. Well, basically in order to gain some members, they make their telegram universal just like a tree branch where there is a main branch of group followed by a specific campaign group.

All because they swing their groups through paid services in order to lower the threshold of distrust.