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Other => Beginners & Help => Topic started by: I.Goldstein on October 21, 2011, 02:56:18 PM



Title: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 21, 2011, 02:56:18 PM
...and I want to get to work. Can somebody point me to a guide on Javascript?


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: RodeoX on October 21, 2011, 03:19:34 PM
Is it a secret idea or can you tell us something about it?
Sorry, I don't know coffee beans about java.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 21, 2011, 03:24:15 PM
The idea is well-known. The act is secret.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Stormblast on October 21, 2011, 03:35:11 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 21, 2011, 03:38:37 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

I've bookmarked several guides I've found through google and pirated 3 books. They were either out-of-date or unclear. I'm here to find a recommended alternative. I want somebody to tell me what they genuinely think is the best.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Stormblast on October 21, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

I've bookmarked several guides I've found through google and pirated 3 books. They were either out-of-date or unclear. I'm here to find a recommended alternative. I want somebody to tell me what they genuinely think is the best.

Perhaps you could ask it on a dedicated forum or wait until someone with enough knowlegde comes here.

I'd say read the books/guides/tutorials, then try to program a bit and try to acomplish your goal step by step.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Raoul Duke on October 21, 2011, 04:12:21 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

Seeing as you obviously don't know the difference between Java and javascript you shouldn't give any advice on this matter whatsoever, not even to buy a book, because if he follows your advice he will buy the wrong book...


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Stormblast on October 21, 2011, 04:21:34 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

Seeing as you obviously don't know the difference between Java and javascript you shouldn't give any advice on this matter whatsoever, not even to buy a book, because if he follows your advice he will buy the wrong book...


The general idea still stands.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 21, 2011, 05:29:56 PM
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide

I'll just continue with the official documentation. I want my hand held a little bit but the struggle should make me stronger.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: SgtSpike on October 21, 2011, 05:47:13 PM
I've done a lot of javascript programming... how much are you willing to pay for said "hand holding"?


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: BorderBits on October 22, 2011, 05:24:38 AM
Atlas, are you finally making a the Woolong device?


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: BillX on October 22, 2011, 05:26:37 AM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

Seeing as you obviously don't know the difference between Java and javascript you shouldn't give any advice on this matter whatsoever, not even to buy a book, because if he follows your advice he will buy the wrong book...


He should do this project in Haskell or Assembler instead of javascript. It would be much better for the community if he did.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: bitleaker on October 22, 2011, 06:02:34 AM
Is this to do with your Woolong device Atlas?


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: repentance on October 22, 2011, 06:15:24 AM
I've done a lot of javascript programming... how much are you willing to pay for said "hand holding"?

Are you a neckbeard or a hipster?  He doesn't like those.

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Anyways, this has to be said. I'm tired of hipsters dogging on practical work. It's about what people use and want. Licenses, time-tested libraries and neckbeard-wisdom can go fuck all. If it's usuable software and if people want it -- that is all that matters.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49302.msg587016#msg587016


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: BillX on October 22, 2011, 06:24:19 AM
I have a better idea.

1 - Collect Underpants

2 -

3 - Profit!!!!


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: captainteemo on October 22, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Guide

I'll just continue with the official documentation. I want my hand held a little bit but the struggle should make me stronger.

Use Haskell.

Read this. http://learnyouahaskell.com/chapters


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Immanual Go on October 22, 2011, 03:26:58 PM
Welcome back Atlas!


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: elggawf on October 22, 2011, 05:46:05 PM
If you're looking at books on Java, then that's why you're having issues. Java and Javascript are two completely different beasts. They're sufficiently different at times that it's just easier to pretend there's zero relation at all, and treat them as differently as you would PERL, because any time you assume something's going to be the same it's going to turn around and bite you in the arse.

Java != Javascript, if you pick up a book on Java when you're trying to learn Javascript you'll come away with a headache. Unfortunately I can't recommend any books on Javascript, as I've only dabbled with it and not sufficiently enough to warrant buying a book for it.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Immanual Stop on October 22, 2011, 05:54:43 PM
I was given this link (http://tinyurl.com/9qb4uo) by a professional programmer. It's a great link, and you can find some good reviews and tips from there.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: I.Goldstein on October 22, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
I figured out my problem. I was learning Javascript alright. However, what I have remained ignorant of was the HTML API through the DOM (Document Object Model).

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_DOM_Reference/Introduction#What_is_the_DOM.3F

I now know what I am doing. Thank you for trying to help guys.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: BorderBits on October 22, 2011, 08:23:33 PM


I now know what I am doing.


Stick to assembling IKEA desks and picking up dog poo for your parents; those are tasks which you may actually accomplish. 


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: repentance on October 22, 2011, 10:40:01 PM


I now know what I am doing.


Stick to assembling IKEA desks and picking up dog poo for your parents; those are tasks which you may actually accomplish.  

Much as I hate to defend Atlas, I don't think that learning Javascript is beyond his capabilities.  Whether what he hopes to accomplish can be achieved with a rudimentary knowledge of Javascript is another issue altogether, but sometimes the only way you learn that your own skill-set and depth of knowledge aren't sufficient for a particular task is when you try to apply them in a real world situation.

That's not a criticism of you Atlas.  All of us have some things we're already accomplished at, some things we're OK at, and some things where we don't have sufficient expertise to do the job ourselves at this point in time (for me its databases - I can put one together if I really have to, but if it's for something important it would be better to give the job to someone more skilled).  

I know it's sometimes hard for you to accept, but a lot of skill development comes from doing something repeatedly over a long period of time.  It annoys the hell out of my kids sometimes that I'm better at some things than they are but I always point out to them that down the track their capabilities will be greater because they started out with more knowledge in those areas than I did.  For those of us who aren't born geniuses, ability is a combination of knowledge and experience.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Primitive Caveman on October 23, 2011, 12:29:06 AM
It's also worth mentioning that you should actually do the work yourself instead of asking for donations to hire someone else. No one cares about "idea guys" that have to rely on others to get something done.


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: BorderBits on October 23, 2011, 09:26:35 PM
It's also worth mentioning that you should actually do the work yourself instead of asking for donations to hire someone else. No one cares about "idea guys" that have to rely on others to get something done.

If Atlas ever enters the real world, he'll figure this out.  In my lab, when determining the order of authors on our publications, the person who came up with an idea may not even end up as an author unless they put time into the design, carrying out, or writing up the experiments.  Ideas, even great ones, are a dime a dozen; it's doing the work that produces results that matters. 


Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: teflone on October 23, 2011, 11:43:13 PM
I have a better idea.

1 - Collect Underpants

2 -

3 - Profit!!!!

LMAO!!



Title: Re: I have an idea for a Bitcoin service...
Post by: Bricolage on November 02, 2011, 04:43:47 PM
Google it?

Or buy a book about Java?

Seeing as you obviously don't know the difference between Java and javascript you shouldn't give any advice on this matter whatsoever, not even to buy a book, because if he follows your advice he will buy the wrong book...


I somehow doubt the OP will be buying the wrong book.  ;)