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Like really. I am not sure if this is in the right section but please move it if need be.


Everytime I see someone posting some shit, everyone jumps and says it's an alt of QS. What does QS just sit home all day farming accounts?

Are u being real or just sarcastic? Difficult to judge by your statements.


I dunno if that's what s/he does all day; but yeah it is a great diversion tactic from more pressing issues at hand; especially when you are involved in a shady/scammy situation and wish to divert attention or ignore the questions.

Pharmacist called me I am an alt of QS, yep while posting against scams they call everyone as alt of QS.

These people don't have life or don't know how to make money online, hence they abuse Trust system and call alt of Quick Seller and even they call him as Quick Scammer.

Yes.

I don't recall this, but I'll take your word for it.  Usually I don't make an outright accusation and usually just insinuate that a person might be one of Quickseller's alt accounts based on posting style and the position the account takes on certain matters.  Sometimes it's pretty obvious, since QS is generally well-spoken although completely deluded.  I have a feeling he's autistic, though not on the more impaired end of the spectrum.  He tends to make pseudo-rational arguments for things while still ignoring any direct criticism of his arguments.  It's very strange.  

I would point out that QS is known to have multiple alts.  gorgon666 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=159352) is one of those, though there are others that have been identified.  Off the top of my head, I can't remember the other ones he controls.  I've suspected for a while now that he now owns the tomatocage (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522) account.

Can you provide a link to where I accused you of being a QS alt?  In any event, I doubt it stuck since I don't even remember doing so.

That's my take, too.  It's kind of surprising since it's always been my impression that QS owns a ton of bitcoin.  If I had as much money as I think QS has, I probably wouldn't be frequenting any internet forum.  I'd be out shopping for nice clothes and otherwise be spending my money in creative ways.  Then again, QS is either very autistic or a complete sociopath, and behavior patterns of such individuals are unpredictable.

But there actually was a time when QS would just hop onto a new account just to hassle people. Her seems to have mostly moved on from that now. Even he likely got bored of it. Kinda futile either way when everyone knows it's him.

Are you QS? lol had to do it

Everyone who posts in reputation is an alt of Lauda & co or is an alt of QS & his shenanigans  ::). Don't know if I am Lauda's alt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2928807.msg39615216#msg39615216) or QS's alt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg26776136#msg26776136).

But I am DarkStar_'s alt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.0)  for sure.

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To be fair, for all those who accused to be QS's alt, they got to do out out of habit, for QS has been known to have a lot of accounts, said by BadBear himself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1171059.msg12358580#msg12358580).

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Its been a while since we had Timelord2067's accusations.

Quicksy's puppets stand out by being tenaciously focused on a set of talking points while never disagreeing with each other. I have not seen anything of the sort outside of Quicksy's favorite topics: Lauda is bad, account sales are good, DT is corrupt (except Og and Tomato), merit means groupthink (except when handed out by Quicksy et al), etc, so it's quite safe to treat accounts that wake up at irregular intervals to push the same ideas and don't otherwise contribute to the forum in any meaningful way as Quicksy's alts.

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Maybe he's buying ostrich jackets - how would you know?  ;D

But Occam says that maybe not:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4910025

It's simple sir. I will break it down for you sir:
1) If you agree with Lauda, you are an alt of Lauda.
2) If you agree with Quicksy, you are an alt of Quicksy.

Hello Lord Lauda Sir OBE, KBE, GBE, STD, AIDS, HIV, EBOLA, etc. etc.;

Nice transparent escrow Sir.  /S

Very good ALU scam projects to feed my family and relatives Sir.

When NVO Moon Sir?

When multisig address Sir?

When escrowed fund details Sir?

When snakey getting paid Sir?

When stop associating with scamming people (aTriz and Wapinter ::) ) and start working constructively Sir? 



P.S.: When paw-licking merit begging coterie coming to racially abuse me and reduce my Trust ratings Sir?

Anyone who respond to an accusation that the accuser is an alt of someone else is deflecting. This kind of a response should set off a red flag.

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Here is the quote from BadBear you are referencing:

As such, I am not quite sure how you are coming to the conclusion that BadBear thinks I have a lot of accounts....

Nice cherries, picked them yourself? BadBear was talking about Tomatocage (or other "notable" accounts) and qualified it with "as far as I know" and "that I know of" and other parts of the paragraph that you omitted:


And he clearly states that you have alt accounts (plural): "the ones he has owned up to". Not sure if you can argue that he stated so even though he didn't think so, but you'll probably try anyway. Do that as Panthers52 for the added dramatic effect.

Not at all, but you have a knack for twisting logic to suit your agenda.


What sort of alarms should using alts to do your dirty work set off? Anyone who uses alts because they don't have the balls to say it from their own account is a coward.


How could he possibly know how many accounts you truly have altogether? Admins have limited powers to spot alts, and all it would take is someone not being stupid enough to connect them together via IPs for that account to have no connection to the others. Anyone with half a brain cell could have a secret alt here completely separate from all their "known" ones just as long as they didn't use the same connection they used for their others.

BadBear knows you have alot of alt accounts(an unfair estimate would be 10), he was just doing his job as an admin and protecting you(your alts) from being exposed or whatever. But there's nothing wrong with having alt accounts, unless you use for you know.... ::)

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And aren't we all playing the accusation game here? <sarcasm> aTriz was part of ALU (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2477796.0), and I participated in his campaigns  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2712518.msg28024397#msg28024397),and we all know he only accepted his own alts, and aTriz is a known alt of Lauda (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.0),so I am an alt of Lauda and Lauda was part of chipmixer once (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg29823954#msg29823954), and hence DarkStar_ accepted me (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg29752510#msg29752510), and thus making me another alt of DarkStar_'s shady campaign alts. DarkStar_ accepted actmyname (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg32175405#msg32175405) soon after I joined and I added all alts in the Overview of campaign managers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.msg39280543#msg39280543) list, thus making me an alt of everybody over there. Irfan_pak10 rented my avatar/personal space and the ad space (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.msg44528614#msg44528614) in that thread, so he bribed me and became my alt. Vod has given me at least 21 merits (http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/Merit/history/325061.html), so I am his alt. The Pharmacist and I have  the same habit of posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4878613.msg43933316#msg43933316)(I am nowhere close) , so I am his alt. In conclusion, I extort people (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0), I am a pedophile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1248407.msg12962871#msg12962871), I am a deranged kid (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3921227.msg41956919#msg41956919), and a naive person who makes unwise decisions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.msg33950803#msg33950803), amongst other things.  ::) Oh, QS and I have the same avatar, so he is my alt too. </sarcasm>

You think he was lying about how many accounts I have? Is this baseless speculation? Or is there some evidence to support this? Do you have other examples of him lying about anything?

There is not anything wrong with having multiple accounts and trying to stomp out all alt accounts will only give people a false sense of security.

Should we be worried?   ;D

It is very wrong to use alts the way you use them, as opposed to e.g. "theymos_away". Trying to stomp out those cockroaches of yours is a well-established tradition of this forum and a great service to the community. The only person with a false sense of security here seems to be the one with a drawer full of socks and a collapsing farm business.

I prefer to read a post from him than a post from a shit poster. To agree with him or not is something else. But I prefer to disagree with someone and to like to read than reading someone with a crap post even if I agree with him

(I'm not an alt of Quickseller)

Can you prove this?

Its good to know that people can twist my own words.

But no, I didn't say nor think that BadBear lied. He never said that he knows how many accounts you have, but it was implied that you have a lot of accounts. Like I said, there's nothing wrong in having multiple accounts, except only, when you random people use multiple accounts to spread lies/whatever shilling is to be done.  ::)

And I don't know if BadBear lied elsewhere, even if he did, I don't care to even bother about it.
 
Yes and no.

Agreed. QS has a lot of knowledge, and is useful sometimes, if only he uses his knowledge for rightful purposes.

I'm confused and also slightly worried...

 ???

This is actually a point that I would like to delve into: the fact that one cannot prove that they are not and alt of another. I have started noticing a lot of instances where one user sends tokens (or some other "cryptocurrency") to another user's address and it becomes solidified as grounds for a link.

I don't doubt that a lot of these cases are cases of alts sending one another coin/tokens and I don't accept the "we had a trade and we lost the logs" argument for obvious reasons. However, I am absolutely sure that there is a significant portion of these cases which are false positives.

Is there any way to deal with that, other than giving up searches and allowing these bounty farmers to continue spewing trash all over the forum?

Full KYC with cavity search for bounty hunters.

OR

Ban bounties, signatures, and avatars. Also ban Quicksy, just for kicks.

OR

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4893744.0

You need to use good judgment when reviewing blockchain links.

I assume you are referring to people sending ERC20 tokens to a central address. When you have one account sending tokens to an address associated with another account in a single instance, this is very clearly insufficient evidence to support they two accounts are alts of eachother. If one account sends every ERC20 token they ever receive to another account, this is probably still insufficient evidence alone to support the two are alts, although when used in conjunction with other evidence, a connection may be made; however this will show the two accounts likely live in the same time zone, and may know eachother IRL. I would speculate that when you have a very small number of accounts consistently making A --> B transactions, most of the time they probably are friends IRL, and one of them is simply cashing out their earnings. Even if there is one person with two or three accounts "abusing" bounty campaigns, in the grand scheme of things, they probably are not doing very much damage, and are probably not really hurting anyone.

However when you have many accounts, perhaps more than 15 or so, and they are all sending tokens to a single address that does not clearly belong to one of them, this is decent evidence they are part of a single farm. Again, you need to use good judgment when reviewing this, and should try to rule things out such as that the coins are being sent to an exchange, and that the accounts are not receiving any kind of coin shortly after sending their tokens to the central ETH address. I think there are a lot of instances in which there are many more than 15 accounts involved, some people have posted about there being hundreds of accounts, and I would speculate in many cases they are being run by bots of some sort.

I don't think trying to hunt for the above farms is a good use of resources though. I speculate there are tens if not hundreds of thousands of these mass farmed accounts. I also speculate they are often "hired" by those ultimately behind ICOs as a way to increase social media chatter regarding their ICO, and that in many cases, calling these accounts out (including tagging them) will have little/no impact on their ability to continue doing what they have been doing. There was a NY times article (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/27/technology/social-media-bots.html) a few months ago that talked about how some people were buying up twitter followers in order to improve their twitter presence, and one company they bought from would often buy up twitter accounts from other "suppliers"; the article talked about how it would be possible to spot someone who had purchased many twitter followers by looking at registration data of a person's followers. I would not be surprised if similar shady business is going on around here in regards to ICOs. I think the solution is both remove incentives to farm accounts via shit posts, and to create incentives to not farm accounts via shit posts -- a big part of this would be for theymos to monetize the forum much more than he is currently.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.msg34946418#msg34946418

i second that. lets do it