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Title: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: CryptoPowers on March 01, 2014, 06:03:06 PM Does anyone know what happened?
Where the coins stolen or voided? Did they go to customer accounts over past weeks? Does gox pay withdraws to more then one address per transaction? If you where overpaid by GOX withdraws would you really let people know? Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Meuh6879 on March 01, 2014, 06:07:38 PM They are VIRTUAL
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 06:25:35 PM It APPEARS ( ???) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched:
https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: CryptoPowers on March 01, 2014, 06:28:40 PM I thought gox said they only had 1000 btc left?
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 06:32:50 PM To me, their claims of assets simply don't add up:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494710.0 Without having access to their records, there is no 110% provability that those two wallets are in fact owned by GOX, however, if this were a civil matter, with the information provided at http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxImAuNdUhM, there's pretty good probability that they are. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: taturii on March 01, 2014, 06:47:28 PM Someone external to Mt. Gox has to audit what happened there, until then all we have is pure and useless speculation.
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Aexcu on March 01, 2014, 06:57:07 PM It APPEARS ( ???) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched: https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 There's 3 other wallets which have an additional 110,000 bitcoin, so that makes 200k BTC: 40k https://blockchain.info/address/16Ls6azc76ixc9Ny7AB5ZPPq6oiEL9XwXy 30k https://blockchain.info/address/1MyGwFAJjVtB5rGJa32M6Yh46cGirUta1K 40k https://blockchain.info/address/12HddUDLhRP2F8JjpKYeKaDxxt5wUvx5nq ... and 50k https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 Furthermore it seems that there's a motherload of wallets that have touched the following address (see for example where the transfers of .00777 end up) here: https://blockchain.info/address/12Nxd2X12WZeYSjUcbtm5NpS3d81Yh8sKh Such as: https://blockchain.info/address/16Z1jD3ev9LnPkTr9LuqcLztq5ZMB8KENz https://blockchain.info/address/15jdxjFhXUsp2xuycmKnjw8yk1WsVon69c https://blockchain.info/address/19PPeuu4jPjqtefSQ2FDgKmNJ88Z5wiuJt https://blockchain.info/address/18LpE3eaXgzUc7XGTNKCgZkD4EZN4NcAbK https://blockchain.info/address/1MeCzxxB8eDd17DaocFLQaQtH8seVjNM67 https://blockchain.info/address/1Gg9GGQWmRk1pp4vNkMqLaEiPVNdiNvz7E Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Grinder on March 01, 2014, 07:15:51 PM Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 07:16:24 PM So with those 3 added to the 2 above, 210,000 bitcoins or approx $120,134,740 million?
Where did you find those 3 wallets? Any source that they are GOX owned? Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: analytics on March 01, 2014, 07:21:24 PM We need partner with these folks and their current database to build on to trace the money. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494761.0 Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Aexcu on March 01, 2014, 07:56:26 PM Where did you find those 3 wallets? Any source that they are GOX owned? https://blockchain.info/tx/3a1b9e330d32fef1ee42f8e86420d2be978bbe0dc5862f17da9027cf9e11f8c4 This is a transfer Mark Karpeles has done back in 2011 to prove he had the funds under his control. Those wallets are found following this chain, in my view those would still be Gox's cold storage wallets. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 07:58:49 PM So then if can be confirmed, just the wallets listed here in this thread currently hold ~270,000 bitcoin (~$154,562,812 USD)???
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: papamoi on March 01, 2014, 08:10:52 PM how do you know that it s still in mtgox s control?
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: BitCoinNutJob on March 01, 2014, 08:11:43 PM It APPEARS ( ???) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched: https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 do we know gox own these? Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 08:16:53 PM It APPEARS ( ???) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched: https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 do we know gox own these? See here: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/#.UxI-KuNdUhN Pretty compelling. If you add up all the wallets that are mentioned in this thread, it's ~270,000 bitcoin ($154.5million). Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Aexcu on March 01, 2014, 09:01:24 PM Other people reaching similar conclusions:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z37zw/mt_gox_has_at_least_200k_btc/cfq7xl0?context=3 Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: redhawk979 on March 01, 2014, 09:11:25 PM Gox lost the private keys.
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Aexcu on March 01, 2014, 09:14:01 PM Gox lost the private keys. Not really, if there's any truth to what Mark Karpeles has said earlier about how they handle private keys. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: roslinpl on March 01, 2014, 09:41:06 PM It APPEARS ( ???) that 90,000 of the bitcoin (~$49million USD) are sitting in these 2 wallets untouched: https://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 There's 3 other wallets which have an additional 110,000 bitcoin, so that makes 200k BTC: 40k https://blockchain.info/address/16Ls6azc76ixc9Ny7AB5ZPPq6oiEL9XwXy 30k https://blockchain.info/address/1MyGwFAJjVtB5rGJa32M6Yh46cGirUta1K 40k https://blockchain.info/address/12HddUDLhRP2F8JjpKYeKaDxxt5wUvx5nq ... and 50k https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 Furthermore it seems that there's a motherload of wallets that have touched the following address (see for example where the transfers of .00777 end up) here: https://blockchain.info/address/12Nxd2X12WZeYSjUcbtm5NpS3d81Yh8sKh Such as: https://blockchain.info/address/16Z1jD3ev9LnPkTr9LuqcLztq5ZMB8KENz https://blockchain.info/address/15jdxjFhXUsp2xuycmKnjw8yk1WsVon69c https://blockchain.info/address/19PPeuu4jPjqtefSQ2FDgKmNJ88Z5wiuJt https://blockchain.info/address/18LpE3eaXgzUc7XGTNKCgZkD4EZN4NcAbK https://blockchain.info/address/1MeCzxxB8eDd17DaocFLQaQtH8seVjNM67 https://blockchain.info/address/1Gg9GGQWmRk1pp4vNkMqLaEiPVNdiNvz7E https://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9?currency=PLN this is meaningless, this hige transaction was made @ 2011... :) so I checked only first from the list and it has nothing to do with this case :) Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Aexcu on March 01, 2014, 09:43:34 PM this is meaningless, this hige transaction was made @ 2011... :) so I checked only first from the list and it has nothing to do with this case :) Wrong, it has all the meaning in the world.. The point is that it was made in 2011 when it was known to be Mt.Gox money. Hasn't moved, much. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Xialla on March 01, 2014, 09:56:17 PM they were goxxed.
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 01, 2014, 09:57:58 PM this is meaningless, this hige transaction was made @ 2011... :) so I checked only first from the list and it has nothing to do with this case :) Wrong, it has all the meaning in the world.. The point is that it was made in 2011 when it was known to be Mt.Gox money. Hasn't moved, much. This. The link above to letstalkbitcoin shows that GOX was control of those wallets then (2011) and made those deposits. The deposits haven't moved since. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 07, 2014, 12:42:54 PM FWIW
The wallets mentioned prior in this thread believed to be MtGox....ALL of them just transfered ALL of their bitcoin. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: V4Vendettas on March 07, 2014, 01:42:58 PM You know what would be real nice. If they would just post up on Mt.gox.com "yea that was us" then we would know for sure we had lost them for ever ;D
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: blodyx on March 07, 2014, 01:54:28 PM FWIW The wallets mentioned prior in this thread believed to be MtGox....ALL of them just transfered ALL of their bitcoin. i clicked them for a while... why would you want to divide the money in two again and again? is it a laundry attempt? this one https://blockchain.info/address/1Fgwy6cQdErkpBCXvUG7tFhz3XjwH24ceB ended up here... for now https://blockchain.info/address/15aXrKKUEfbrXp597VDnhjZCvmtmny4HjK https://blockchain.info/address/1HvZCdxDxBhh2qpfJreDXmwgXzUpWHTrGV https://blockchain.info/address/1HFbqHsWAT5QSVzBSp9CipQUcAnnSMCXm4 https://blockchain.info/address/18VbFf4PiLuFEFnbL6aTkE6hFPpqexjYwA https://blockchain.info/address/1AfP1UTbfNZvDchSk8pT5FZYWj1DszHKBF https://blockchain.info/address/1CmNbE1oEwuQBs9a2gBEJcd3WdiafcpgGs https://blockchain.info/address/1DY7AExSNUbY1xRUHk9yoUgKhr9QpouDe5 https://blockchain.info/address/13rmvsgWZZhxM7UpgSmo42BTY96BdBEQxK https://blockchain.info/address/19Ur4vyB1VuVX4EQSp59LAbzxxY6Qjpqra https://blockchain.info/address/14qQBEVeU65Ncm3CLfhJ8XuHevqCabfzoG https://blockchain.info/address/1BczD7RwTa3c1bQDvb4aPyt6EYyvL11F4a https://blockchain.info/address/1PHcR21z5ubejzR1x3LjDAe7JfYEh5u4i8 https://blockchain.info/address/1AQLfQ7PBhKy5HjCYG5wuAzjYuBpEsUwTQ https://blockchain.info/address/1N5ws4P1GCCw695FpnhayHmmW288wmN3o https://blockchain.info/address/1JM4pGoa7LWtfy6vDV3KwEBS2HDkQtV32B https://blockchain.info/address/1BDBerhweCHuLjAeLXpR5TTia7gWmyTmHE https://blockchain.info/address/19TyfwXyC41U2rCRdb5LNkkaZgGNyss49t https://blockchain.info/address/1QDD2ZEnTTwuuryb2mZbABmqiANiKrCACB https://blockchain.info/address/1EpoN8QiTLZxGwAKLnQ2RysHRZBDydjHqy https://blockchain.info/address/1GRJycBJMQ41XkCygGKURgkqLd2qkwCQDB https://blockchain.info/address/1NobuZ86rkMkk66nP3DfEUH7WYh4cHU4PS https://blockchain.info/address/1Ewk1sqTMYw41aYgtQiWvuoZbGGa99wHyj Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: ledmaniak on March 07, 2014, 01:56:34 PM Aaannd.. gone.
They were split up again multiple times. ??? Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 07, 2014, 01:59:37 PM Some people have said "maybe it's the thief". That makes no sense. What thief would have had access to these coins and not moved them the moment they had access? Sit around, wait for GOX to fail then one sunny March morning decide "hey, better move these now". Don't buy it. IMHO, someone at GOX or associated with GOX is moving these coins around, and very quickly at that.
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: V4Vendettas on March 07, 2014, 02:00:48 PM No no that's not laundry that's Gox allocating fund to our accounts ready for a swift return :-\
Edit: fml I refuse to go back into the hope stage of grief. >:( Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 07, 2014, 02:03:17 PM No no that's not laundry that's Gox allocating fund to our accounts ready for a swift return :-\ Edit: fml I refuse to back into the hope stage of grief. >:( Would be nice wouldn't it? And I didn't even have any money or bitcoin on GOX, but with the way they have handled things, the community, whether vested in gox or not, need to be on top of this and find out WTF is going on right now. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: blodyx on March 07, 2014, 02:06:12 PM if they keep splitting up like that it just might end up in my wallet :D
but by then it will probably be 1 satoshi only... Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: blodyx on March 07, 2014, 02:11:13 PM FWIW The wallets mentioned prior in this thread believed to be MtGox....ALL of them just transfered ALL of their bitcoin. i clicked them for a while... why would you want to divide the money in two again and again? is it a laundry attempt? this one https://blockchain.info/address/1Fgwy6cQdErkpBCXvUG7tFhz3XjwH24ceB ended up here... for now https://blockchain.info/address/15aXrKKUEfbrXp597VDnhjZCvmtmny4HjK https://blockchain.info/address/1HvZCdxDxBhh2qpfJreDXmwgXzUpWHTrGV https://blockchain.info/address/1HFbqHsWAT5QSVzBSp9CipQUcAnnSMCXm4 https://blockchain.info/address/18VbFf4PiLuFEFnbL6aTkE6hFPpqexjYwA https://blockchain.info/address/1AfP1UTbfNZvDchSk8pT5FZYWj1DszHKBF https://blockchain.info/address/1CmNbE1oEwuQBs9a2gBEJcd3WdiafcpgGs https://blockchain.info/address/1DY7AExSNUbY1xRUHk9yoUgKhr9QpouDe5 https://blockchain.info/address/13rmvsgWZZhxM7UpgSmo42BTY96BdBEQxK https://blockchain.info/address/19Ur4vyB1VuVX4EQSp59LAbzxxY6Qjpqra https://blockchain.info/address/14qQBEVeU65Ncm3CLfhJ8XuHevqCabfzoG https://blockchain.info/address/1BczD7RwTa3c1bQDvb4aPyt6EYyvL11F4a https://blockchain.info/address/1PHcR21z5ubejzR1x3LjDAe7JfYEh5u4i8 https://blockchain.info/address/1AQLfQ7PBhKy5HjCYG5wuAzjYuBpEsUwTQ https://blockchain.info/address/1N5ws4P1GCCw695FpnhayHmmW288wmN3o https://blockchain.info/address/1JM4pGoa7LWtfy6vDV3KwEBS2HDkQtV32B https://blockchain.info/address/1BDBerhweCHuLjAeLXpR5TTia7gWmyTmHE https://blockchain.info/address/19TyfwXyC41U2rCRdb5LNkkaZgGNyss49t https://blockchain.info/address/1QDD2ZEnTTwuuryb2mZbABmqiANiKrCACB https://blockchain.info/address/1EpoN8QiTLZxGwAKLnQ2RysHRZBDydjHqy https://blockchain.info/address/1GRJycBJMQ41XkCygGKURgkqLd2qkwCQDB https://blockchain.info/address/1NobuZ86rkMkk66nP3DfEUH7WYh4cHU4PS https://blockchain.info/address/1Ewk1sqTMYw41aYgtQiWvuoZbGGa99wHyj and the last one split into: https://blockchain.info/address/1K7FANJAEc7PFTBXTCVAHYc5m7q8AucNUK https://blockchain.info/address/1LNYLxQQs7VsTqWcJYT47zMZAQ4av8ZUiW https://blockchain.info/address/1MpXBj46gUa1HtVSaEMjWrQb4eK73gXDgS https://blockchain.info/address/1Fpy7bZLCNqu13eESBKxCkM63Ni7AbqaN https://blockchain.info/address/12KrzTMmdeb88nBbwxwfpMzKRB3dmxQSsa https://blockchain.info/address/15aja6BcfxdApBEJDRfe8kZyfYJcMwcCtN https://blockchain.info/address/1HtRMDzWdtr5WVkiic8hXmtmP1cQ1Ea6kv https://blockchain.info/address/13GPcLfP32MH619fvxkWSpe8JCPx6AwUWZ https://blockchain.info/address/1MiCboMnN1DNeK8DCdzVZiPdZnZpWL2Sfb https://blockchain.info/address/141nzrFeVdecRfqSSsojqp7jJmKCYZSRe6 https://blockchain.info/address/1HzNBwxwNMsXV2rcpgvnN1zTv9G4Cq2yFu https://blockchain.info/address/1Q2s2wzXdvmCjtoMVGDywViAgQ1NZawBP6 https://blockchain.info/address/16k8BRQM9ZeqdCntvgcnBRDXaXLa7c9758 https://blockchain.info/address/1KXfqvtG7QjeCobLvAVknFKiRFvEg7fYLw https://blockchain.info/address/1N4R7qENifSyf8wX86qJaprBEdRiWiGN8R https://blockchain.info/address/1Hkb5F2K7xsAqDakycEUvWYXmsXPZsQPZ3 https://blockchain.info/address/18HLv4CRvoAxKeVtU92snakNJqnDBBjMNA https://blockchain.info/address/14xidNKxFi7XfLpxbAsqbsjL2XfyyrGmwU https://blockchain.info/address/16zg2sAdX2FWfEHZW5U7CN973QfP4N484m https://blockchain.info/address/1EpxTLMeYRqar5pgYDzYK8MFs3aGkNJSEi https://blockchain.info/address/1H6HsqFQYofqH3FFrR3DLY5QFvTUZj3XKJ https://blockchain.info/address/1F2of9JYHxgmoMsVC4to7EAok4Luiwn91A https://blockchain.info/address/1NCKpjzaNoTEwcPRNbM2Wn1PGYHJ2QwLTd https://blockchain.info/address/14hig81QxGx3nCgixTRUTDryHL2QrYUVSy https://blockchain.info/address/19mJkm5SJkeCipkvpKQdpgFntAYZBrGV5V https://blockchain.info/address/1GCPwJgWcn2T7Ys3TivrKo8SrTc6gRAycK https://blockchain.info/address/15CfvZkS7QXnwLE311ELxZQhkaHrsY3z6U https://blockchain.info/address/1FM1V4JQyXHE45LfSFAwFyWsobyq49JABz https://blockchain.info/address/1Nr1LXUftrCQFnRm1Q9s7PjiZW4q4xTLAL https://blockchain.info/address/1MY3iZ47d5CErfJRskpseHqRkxeY7dmr1t https://blockchain.info/address/145DrShrEUasCZNpzaiW59ey2k7Xshvmx8 https://blockchain.info/address/1Fgwy6cQdErkpBCXvUG7tFhz3XjwH24ceB Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: V4Vendettas on March 07, 2014, 02:50:15 PM Lets assume its a thief/mark doing that.
We get to watch it all happen. Just fucking priceless. Meanwhile the lead IT specialist drafted in by they Japanese authority's stares out the window considering what to have for lunch. Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Colin Miner on March 07, 2014, 04:59:56 PM Lets assume its a thief/mark doing that. We get to watch it all happen. Just fucking priceless. Meanwhile the lead IT specialist drafted in by they Japanese authority's stares out the window considering what to have for lunch. Sushi ;) Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: ledmaniak on March 07, 2014, 05:01:27 PM Lets assume its a thief/mark doing that. We get to watch it all happen. Just fucking priceless. Meanwhile the lead IT specialist drafted in by they Japanese authority's stares out the window considering what to have for lunch. Sushi ;) Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Colin Miner on March 07, 2014, 06:32:31 PM All these BTC moving around, reminds me of an email.....
Quote Dear Honourable Colin Miner, It has become known to me that you are an expert in bitcoin. Let me introduce myself. My name is Mark Karpeles and I am CEO of the Mt Gox bitcoin exchange. I need your help to release the bitcoin locked in a private key encryption. I am permitted by our regulators to share this information with you and ask for your help. You are invited to view our bitcoin holdings in our blockchain http://blockchain.info/address/1cXNTyXj4xPGopfYZNY5xfSM1EPJJvBZV http://blockchain.info/address/1P3S1grZYmcqYDuaEDVDYobJ5Fx85E9fE9 I have been give authority to pay you to release our locked coins as soon as the funds are available. For every one BTC you send me, I can pay the right people and have been assured by my creditors I can unlock 25 bitcoins, of which I can return your bitcoin and your payment of 5 btc 1NSJjF1xJhW4YgqyUmHa6UR1MJRNbTwpjb I expect your prompt transaction Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: dontek on March 21, 2014, 03:54:55 AM Well now revisiting this a few weeks later, those who said we all were full of shit, whatcha think about MtGox just all of a sudden finding 200k bitcoin? ;)
Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Bit_Happy on March 21, 2014, 04:05:23 AM Well now revisiting this a few weeks later, those who said we all were full of shit, whatcha think about MtGox just all of a sudden finding 200k bitcoin? ;) Progress has been made: Wake me up when the other 650,000 are found. :D Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: roslinpl on March 21, 2014, 09:26:28 AM Well now revisiting this a few weeks later, those who said we all were full of shit, whatcha think about MtGox just all of a sudden finding 200k bitcoin? ;) Progress has been made: Wake me up when the other 650,000 are found. :D hyhy :) Those are here: http://www.marcinkozbial.host56.com/sar.png<--MiddleEarth Cold Wallet Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: CryptoPowers on March 23, 2014, 06:39:12 AM GOX now saying they found 200k in missing coin.
http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/mt-gox-says-found-200-000-bitcoins-forgotten-031835511--sector.html Title: Re: What happened to the missing GOX coins? Post by: Oldminer on March 23, 2014, 12:29:08 PM GOX now saying they found 200k in missing coin. http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/mt-gox-says-found-200-000-bitcoins-forgotten-031835511--sector.html "Today in court we got relief ... specifically to track the 180,000 bitcoins, which we've been monitoring. Hours later, Mt. Gox claimed it 'found' these bitcoins ... it appears Mt. Gox realized we were close and decided to acknowledge that it owned these 180,000-200,000 bitcoins," Steven L. Woodrow, a partner at law firm Edelson, told Reuters in emailed comments. karpeles couldnt even lie straight in bed these days ::) |
