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Not sure if this is legit - but if it is, it is quite interesting. I will paste everything here:

11:56:05 <anarchystar> i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk
12:28:17 <MagicalTux> [19:56:04] <anarchystar> i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk <- I guess so, if I didn't care I would have just closed everything as chapter 7 bankruptcy
17:09:20 <anarchystar> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z6qws/open_letter_to_mark_karpeles_and_the_bitcoin/
Sunday, March 2nd, 2014
11:58:38 <anarchystar> let me know when you can talk about that open letter where debtholders become shareholders
11:58:50 <anarchystar> i represent over 1000 plaintiffs meanwhile
11:59:22 <anarchystar> we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition
14:19:06 <MagicalTux> [19:59:22] <anarchystar> we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition <- already got quite a few candidates lined up by the potential new owners
14:20:35 <anarchystar> what do you mean with potential new owners?
14:26:50 <MagicalTux> [22:20:34] <anarchystar> what do you mean with potential new owners? <- we've been in discussion for more than a week with different investors willing to buy mtgox and cover the missing funds
14:43:33 <anarchystar> yes ive heard that, but how concrete is this?
14:45:03 <anarchystar> also, why dont you offer me the chance to invest?
14:46:33 <anarchystar> i think its time you start talking
14:48:55 <MagicalTux> well, maybe the fact that you had guys following me and my staff outside our office could be part of the reason why we didn't include you in the recovery process ?
14:49:44 <anarchystar> we talked about that before, my lawyer took the initiative to try to contact you
14:49:56 <anarchystar> i think youre exagerating how far they went in that attempt
14:50:38 <anarchystar> also, the fact you lied to me about AML and 5 million, which made me loose even more by forcing me to buy back in, could also be debated
14:50:50 <anarchystar> we can go on talking about what happened or we can find solutions
14:51:15 <MagicalTux> well
14:51:33 <MagicalTux> either way right now anyone who wishes to take over is subject to the approval of the trustee in charge
14:51:42 <MagicalTux> I can give you their contact so you can have your japanese counsil converse with them
14:51:50 <anarchystar> yes please do so
14:52:06 <MagicalTux> if the trustee gives its approval for a plan you put together then it should be fine
14:52:39 <MagicalTux> note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)
14:53:48 <MagicalTux> do you have any email I could send the list to ?
14:53:57 <anarchystar> olivier@destiny.com
14:54:56 <MagicalTux> sent
15:03:53 <anarchystar> got it
15:08:12 <anarchystar> i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has
15:08:48 <MagicalTux> [23:08:12] <anarchystar> i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has <- we want to try to get the court to accept bitcoin to be refunded as bitcoin, instead of converting it all to yen
15:09:00 <MagicalTux> because it would be more fair to the customers
15:14:13 <anarchystar> i will get back on this
15:14:27 <anarchystar> the first thing we will request through the court is a detailed explanation of how the 800k btc got lost
15:14:41 <anarchystar> you can save a lot of time by giving it now
15:22:17 <anarchystar> you have to realise its game over for you, you are done and burned (actually you are charcoaled) - so the best thing you can do at this point is assist in being completely transparant and help us make the best of this - number 1 being explaining to everyone how these coins got lost so the community can decide the best course of action
15:23:14 <anarchystar> we can be very fair to you depending how you handle this
23:20:59 <MagicalTux> actually
23:21:48 <MagicalTux> I'm providing details to the law enforcement, saying anything publicly could cause problems with the investigation
23:24:03 <anarchystar> i highly doubt that if they were stolen through a bug
23:24:21 <anarchystar> the community has much more tech knowledge to trace whoever did this
23:24:38 <anarchystar> than law enf will have in 100 years
23:26:05 <anarchystar> i think youre using it as an excuse not to say anything
23:33:39 <anarchystar> you made 10000's of people loose over 500 million usd, if you think this is the end of it you are mistaken, we will get to the bottom of this - you can come clean, help out and save face - or we will find out anyway - i would just stop hiding the truth if i were you, makes everything much easier
23:35:36 <MagicalTux> we are not at liberty to discuss details with anyone else than law enforcement
23:36:06 <MagicalTux> unless you want to see the investigation fail, of course
23:36:30 <anarchystar> ok, if thats the way you want to play if (same thing as the past 3 years), so be it
23:36:42 <anarchystar> im not falling anymore for that method
23:37:38 <anarchystar> trying to blame on others and making people docile by your last sentence
23:37:48 <anarchystar> pretty obvious now
23:38:40 <anarchystar> we will be filing today
23:38:58 <anarchystar> no other way if you continue like this
23:43:54 <MagicalTux> do you even understand what a police investigation is?
23:44:08 <MagicalTux> only the police can disclose elements they deem safe to be disclosed
23:44:22 <anarchystar> funny
23:44:32 <anarchystar> do you understand what fraud is?
23:45:23 <MagicalTux> I do, yes
23:45:53 <MagicalTux> I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in progress
23:46:21 <anarchystar> try explaining to the judge how you failed to report 500

read only a few lines from only him...

and i gotta say...


fake.

well, got bored while reading, then left this comment!

This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..

Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

Could you elaborate on this?

What do you mean? The USG is in control of gox?

You do realise that the laws regarding how various types of insolvency proceed and how creditors can take swap debt for equity existed long before Bitcoin and Bitcoin exchanges?

And yeah, it is quite typical for specific information related to criminal investigations to be with-held unless law enforcement believes that disclosing it prior to charges being laid would assist their investigation.

Frankly, if I was Mark I wouldn't even talk to people like anarchystar.  No creditor or group of creditors is entitled to an advantage over other creditors of the same class and trying to subvert the insolvency process can lead to the claims of such people being subordinated. Veiled threats should be brought to the attention of those supervising the insolvency process - the people making them aren't doing so for the benefit of all creditors, only themselves.

Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.

pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u

This looks highly legit.

Reason #1:
Anarchystar is known as Olivier Janssens(Source (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zl8fb/goxcoin_designed_to_sideline_btc_debt_while/cfung0t)), who is an active member of the Bitcoin Foundation from Belgium.
Since Mark and Olivier are both active in Bitcoin Foundation, they should have known each other.
Therefore, Olivier is not a random stranger to Mark, and he is the one who has a high probability that Mark will talk to when encountered.

Reason #2:
By looking at the time stamp Mark quoted Olivier's conversation for replying, there always appears to be a time difference between the quoted text and the original original text.
We can see that Mark's time stamp is always 8 hours ahead of Olivier's, which concurs with the time-zone difference between Japan(UTC +9) and Belgium(UTC +1)


The only thing we cannot insure is if the details of the conversation have been altered/tailored.
But this is some really valuable information you posted here. Thank you for your post.

One last thing, can you post the rest of the conversation here plz? Cuz I see the conversation ended with a incomplete sentence of Olivier's.

    23:45:53 <MagicalTux> I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in

progress
    23:46:21 <anarchystar> try explaining to the judge how you failed to report 500 million in bitcoins

Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Maybe

where do we go and find chat logs like this?

That's the part that caught my eyes

Yes, it's legit.

I confirmed it with anarchystar (Olivier Janssens) yesterday.

More bullshit from the bullshit artist.

If that is real it's not boring.

IRC freenode

Haha, "do you understand law enforcement"?

So, he is a pawn of law enforcement, allowing them to run the deposit window.  They are going after the SR bad guy(s) ostensibly.

Yes i would like Oliver Jenssens to disclose what law firm he is working with & he hasn't even after many have asked.  Whoever takes over gox must be legit i dont wanna be goxed anymore


so everyone knows....  Oliver jenssens = anarchystar = mtgoxrecovery.com

Just like the bank bailins, you will get "shares"

Once the FBI figures out how to steal more crypto --oops they already know how.

I wonder if am I the only one here who does not like the thought of another member of the bitcoin foundation taking over Gox.  From, this whole debacle, it was clear to me that they were perfectly willing to circle the wagons and protect another member, until the problem was literally at catastrophic proportions.  All this occurred at the expense of the greater bitcoin community as a whole because of the damage this collapse did to the public perception of bitcoin.  Even more concerning to me would be the potential for this Oliver Janssens getting preferential treatment or being named to a position of power in the new entity by leveraging the collective debt of mtgoxrecovery.  

While the idea of an outside investor buying up the company and making everyone whole is awesome, I know not to get my hopes up.  However, there is definitely value in having access to Mt. Gox's client base.  It has been around for a long time and if the new owner could demonstrate solvency through independent audits and builds a more modern platform than the previous site, it could easily become a major player.  While some people may not return simply based on the name, if the new Gox offers the best game in town, most people will not pass it up.  After all, what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.      

Yeah he's all like "Dude, why haven't you called me with the investment details?"

Surprising it's taken so long for the honey pot theory to be suggested.

Mr. Karpeles nonchalant demeanor certainly has been more suggestive of a puppet than a puppet-master.

If this is legit...

Can anyone speculate / show evidence about the potential buyers Mark is talking about?
Also, what kind of deal do you think are they going to make, if a deal is made at all?
Would the authorities force the new owners to repay the BTC owed to creditors or just the usd?

Well one thing's for sure, they won't be chatting about it on irc.

You can be sure anything 'overheard' on irc was meant to be.

Well, the last IRC chat that I read turned out to be true to the word. (Where Mark said the leaked document is "more or less legit" and so on)

Yeah, I sensed it but I am just another person watching the play.. Main question being:  Who gave the order to keep the deposit window open?

But yeah you are right about his demeanor, like "I'll tell my dad if you aren't nice."  LOL

You have several leads.

The two-bit-idiot, isn't that Ryan Selkins?

And the firm making the MtGox disaster recovery report.

Both these parties should have info.

Also those making the joint statement against MtGox once their trading stopped, and the CEO of Kraken and Roger Ver should have information. Those two were apparently happy to talk to Wired recently regarind the inner workings of MtGox.

So a lot of people would know who these potential buyers are.

Is there another reference to this IRC chat anywhere?

Michael Keferl

http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelkeferl (http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelkeferl)

This individual is connected to all parties.  Humint (goxcoin proposal),  Mandalah (Crisis strategy document), MtgoxRecovery.com

If the talk is legit: Not including potential investors, because of personal feelings, is again a failure on Marks side to act best for his customers/creditors.

As MT.Gox is now supervised under bankruptcy protection, this could even be criminal, too.

Patrick will probably represent the law firm, with Johann Gevers handling the liquidation.

Remember that 10000 BTC wall on Bitstamp on Monday, 24 Feb 2014?

https://i.imgur.com/UrOOiYH.png

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yraho/10000_offer_on_bitstamp/

Call it coincidence?

https://i.imgur.com/DNMchcm.png

http://pastebin.com/XyKt7mFF

These above lines in the chat, if authentic, seem to imply that it is the Tokyo police who have gagged MK, and point to the Japanese government as potentially the ones responsible for impounding Mt. Gox's missing 650,000 bitcoins and $27 million in bank deposits. Previous speculation centered on a seizure of the funds by the USG and subsequent gagging.

It's difficult to understand how bank deposits in Japan and Europe could have been seized by the USG--makes far more sense that Japan did the deed, and that Eurpoean banks merely cooperated. Also, MK portrays himself as somewhat of a passive bystander in the whole matter. Since he didn't come to the U.S. to be deposed in Texas, or appear before FINSEN in Washington, D.C. when subpoenaed, it appears that from any practical standpoint, he is beyond the reach of the USG. Therefore, it is far more likely that Japan is giving MK his marching orders.

All of the above further supports the notion that had there in fact been a seizure, then the Japanese government must be behind it. If so, then it kind of makes a total farce out of the entire Tokyo bankruptcy proceeding under the good Mr. Kobayashi.

If all this boils down to a case of asset stripping, as speculated earlier, <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615261.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615261.0)>, there appears to be the real possibility of collusion between the Japanese government entities involved in any said putative seizure of assets, and those parties involved in the alleged asset stripping.