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BTC is controlled by whales and the richest families such as Rockefeller, Rothschild, Soros... They own the companies and institutions related to BTC.  ETF will be posponed on September 30th, then price will have a massive fall. Those organizations will take advantage and buy all BTC they can in numerous wallets. On February,  ETFs will get approved and BTC price will rise a lot even to 100,000. Since people will invest on BTC, trillions and trillions of dollars will enter to cryptos. However, BTC will be even more controlled by the richest families (the real whales) since they have bought a vast majority of BTC when it was low, owning the 60-80% of it in private wallets and making people invest through ETFs.

Oh, I thought the same half year ago, that in July-august something like this could happen by the history of 2017. What if that BTC price will last for 1-2 years and only after will raise? They can postpone for long period of time. They have enough money for living. But we ( rats ) have to sell cryptos when the market falls. Probably only in the mid of 2019 or in the end of next year will be next big pump.

This kind of this always happening in the crypto market and the whales find different reasons each time so this time maybe the ETF will come into play but we need to remember that each time the holding of whales gets diluted at some point they will get diluted that they can't manipulate the prices any more for that more and more investors need to invest on the cryptos.

I have not heard about such an application by the author, but it seems to me that you need to give your share of honor because it would be very easy to justify the September 30 futures and let everyone make money on it

Well you might  be right  with people who are rich having companies related to BTC but that does not mean that bitcoin is being controlled by anyone.  Who ever choose to invest can do that as well.  Although what they about to do might affect the market but it will only do for those that want it to be so..

First of all really appreciate your thought but you should keep one thing in your mind that bitcoin is totally unpredictable every thing can happen anytime.

price manipulation of bitcoin has been going on for a long time, and it happens without knowing when it will happen, I am just a small player, I often seek profit quickly before the manipulation occurs

I think you may be right. But remember one one know about future and all we can do about btc for future is to predict. So here there is chance to happen anything.

Yeah, whales are already there in the first place and even ETF postponed or not they will still manipulate the market. We cannot stop them from doing that, they own a lot so they have the power to control it. As a small investor we just need to follow the trend, follow the whales so we can also make profit.

I think that market condition will till continue to the end of this year. We can't see any good pump at this moment. So I think, the BTC price will not be growing in this year. But I can't say that exactly because we nothing can be said exactly. Especially, the crypto can happen anything at any moment. But personally, I believe the current bitcoin price continue till the end of this year and maybe mid of 2019 it will be increasing well.

Well if you believe in this situation then you know it will be one of the best times to enter if ETF get rejected. Simple fact. Now what you have to do is buy in if price goes down even more. I wouldn't mind even buying now as if you believe in that price will go up for the long term. Crypto market is still small. Why do you think Rockefeller and others are investing into decentralized money?

I would like to belive your theory. The one is opposing the raise of cryptocurrency is the one those with large bad of bitcoins and other altcoins. They want to buy it at cheaper price and sell it at higher price. My suggestion hold.

Seeing the btc market value recently,  I think that the price adjustment for btc could be the start of the upcoming bullish run in the coming months where most of the people are expecting to happen.  Definitely,  people should have to wait patiently until the end of this year while waiting for the huge pump that could possibly be experience soon. It will be worth waiting and earn good profit.

Oh yea, people will invest trillions just because an ETF got approved. Nice theory, but not one that I believe in.
If they have so much money lying around why not invest right now or last year when it was in a bull market? There are many secure ways to buy large amounts and i'm not thinking exchanges. For instance, the government auctions usually are a good opportunity.

you just proved that you are either a newbie who has no idea how the bitcoin market works and he is imagining wild things, or you are a desperate day trader who wants some more swings to come so that you can recover the amount of money that you have been losing since you were going against the market recently thinking price is going to tank.

Bitcoin is easy to be controlled and manipulated by whales. Even the stock markets which is controlled by harsh regulations of governments is manipulated sometimes, much more to Bitcoin market which is not under governments' thumb.
Your prediction seems rational, but I don't think Bitcoin can reach $100k in the next Feburary. Rising from the current price to $100k is a very long way because the difference between $7,3k and $100k is huge.

You just gotta love this organic growth we've had for the past weeks. Slowly but surely.

I think its likely that ETF will definitely affect the price of BTC and that will make lots of people to buy in especially if at a price rise. And yes, this may include the rich but also new investors, at least we should be happy that there's faith in the BTC future

We don't have any evidence that those families bought bitcoin when it was low so saying it like it's a fact is a bit incorrect. Bitcoin price is easily manipulated though and the more people will own it the less manipulated it will be.

september 30th which is the schedule date for ETF meeting which might probably the last meeting for the year will determine what happen to bitcoin next month. bitcoin is very volatile and any thing can happen . the whales have accumulated so much in the Dip ,we are except the whales to push the price action upward to 50K Dollars are predicted by the end of the year 2018. but if that doesn't happen except bitcoin to dip below 4k Dollars.lets hope for the best instead of been filled with anxiety.

The things you say are just predictions, it may not happen. But at the moment I still prefer hold. The market has fallen too far since the beginning of the year and I think it will grow from here until the end of the year. If you bought bitcoin recently you are now profitable and considering selling, if you buy at The peak price should be kept as the market will go up next time

You have a good thoughts. Whales and the riches are indispensable in the market, there presence is needed to some extent but there should a regulations in cryptocurrency systems. If not price slash and bear season will continue dominating the market.

Hopefully in the next month the price of bitcoin will be stable and bitcoin will be increasingly famous in the world. as a digital currency that can be used for multiple payments

I think if we can get the right idea of the right time, then we can protect ourselves from this manipulation. And we can benefit from our investment in BTC.

I think there will be no successful ETF launched this year for BTC or any cryptos and we shall see no bull run in 201 or even 2019. I think now the price is manipulated and suppressed by the shorters of Bitfinix and other leveraged sites, plus by futures traders and Cartels that we will never see that bull run which we saw in 2017. That is all finished now, only smart day traders , ICO project Teams who raise millions form token holder investors and very early adopters/whales make money from this niche.

and when that happens we must be able to anticipate it, and this prediction is just a lot of predictions that do not happen and maybe this also does not happen, but in this case also we must anticipate if this happens what we will do so we do not losing more money obviously losing money.

Whales are there and they'll always be there, nothing can be done about it. Unless BTC reaches 100K and they decide to sell their holdings and people are willing to buy, then maybe a little uniformity can come in the distribution of Bitcoin.

This prediction does make everyone anxious and panicked, but we also have to remember that the name of the prediction is not entirely happening, sometimes the prediction is only a back word, but we also have to anticipate the fear that this is all happening, we have to think about what we should do when this did happen.

by this time next month bitcoin would have reached good level to attract more people to invest on it. therefore by next month could have risen to some level that would put smiles on people's face.

That's just the way it is I'm afraid. Bigger players get more obviously. They know their game and they have huge amounts on hand that they could use for panic buying of bitcoins. We just have to make do with what we can have.

The cryptocurrency world has really made a lot of people rich and at the moment it looks like the doors enabling this has been shut. Hence, I can agree with your point of whales/rich trying their best in having most of the bitcoin units to themselves using the dips as an opportunity to do this.

Those whales will definately want to make some bigger profit at some point in time, so the next pump is a must. We can clearly see that at this moment they are buying Bitcoin at 6k level.

The doors do not shut =) There are many possibilities every week/month. It's not so easy like year ago, but chances to be well are still great

Surely bitcoin will started to recover by next months, lets continue supported it not only thinking for our own always hoping that maybe next month we can earn more, lets stop this bad thoughts together lets wait what probably happened next its favor on positive lets hope..

This information and analysis sounds interesting and real but how true is it, all I know is that bitcoin has the potential to surprise even  Satoshi  himself so come next month bitcoin will give us another surprise, get ready for it

Bitcoin's dominance will be okay because it is well known rather than other crypto coins. And people are waiting for the price rise,then they will sell all their coins and the market will stable again. And its dominance will go far.

Bitcoin price do not change easily as what being expected. It always fluctuates and doing more down than ups. When you do not know how to work along the market, you gonna lose everything. I do not think to change the price and become more expensive for just a month but I keep believing for that to happen in the future.

Bitcoin is very volatile, but I don't it is fully controlled by few individuals, maybe it influences some times because of their bigger stock or investment, but still it is a demand and supplies driven, because it is a in world wide market place, what ever happened just  think positively.

I think bitcoin prices will bounce back, bring more new things. Attract more and more investors and bitcoin will become more popular. But if bitcoin hacking still exists then BitConn will reduce the number of users next month. So I still hope to have a solution to overcome the user using hacking software bitcoin personal gain.

Crypto price has been unstable and it is really becoming much difficult to predict the price for bitcoins. I too observed a minor duml recently but it might be due to several reasons including the one you stated. This is a sharp time for bitcoins as last year this was the time when bitcoins started pumping.

Whenever bitcoins had to experience a pump, they slightly moved back and than got higher in a great speed so i just hope that it can be a starting of a major pump which bitcoins will show us soon. Bitcoins should really make a better move now as major portion of the commodity is now expecting a better price to make them all rich.

Bitcoin is also dropping each day and also it is gaining some value again so it might also be normal and bitcoins can continue the bull run. All we can do is wait and watch untill they really show us a immense growth soon. Bitcoins need major attention from several new investors and it is our duty to make them more prevalent in the market.

I think the same half year ago.hopefully this July-august something likes could happen by the history of 2017.and I m sure these month the price of bitcoin will be increasingly famous in the whole universe.many people are wait for the price rise and we can benefit from their investment in BTC.

I just found out about this, that there are families who have such power, and i think that will makes the bitcoin user and investor think about it twice, and i hope that it will not affect bitcoin so much

No one can say that what will happen in the next month for Bitcoin. Today drops more than 10%. We are amazed at this drop.

Well this is one way to look at the future of BTC in next months. But the thing is BTC is still unpredictable and it cannot be surely said that things will turn out this way. I guess this thoughts could be partially true.

This sound as the future is bright for bitcoin, but the poor will have to suffer the consequence a lot before thing become later. On the other way round, what if we all hold and refuse to sell, I think that strategy will help the poor that invested little.

lets continue supported from bitcoin.

Bitcoin can't be predicted easily based on its past history. the prediction is quit interesting, but l will keep an open mind and follow the tread...

assume that whales are always be there to manipulate the market. They always be aggressive so that they will gain their loss during bear season. Expect also that the market will fall after the news exploded. All of the efforts of support turned down because of ETF. But I think market will recover few more weeks as ETF will bring a good news to the people.

Actually, we can't predict the bitcoin's future because of it too hard to do. Yes, we can check it's past movements and volumes, But Bitcoin does not only depend on the past things. Actually, the bitcoin is like a human's life. It means the BTC can be happen anything. Especially we know BTC is a leading coin in the crypto world. My idea is, the bitcoin's down-trend will continue to mid of 2019.  

I do believe many people will never sell, when price is down, they will prefer to hold, until the price itself rises to holder desire before they can sell. At the same time this information you drop us like a eye opener to those that easily dump. They will now think twice

in my opinion, BTC will not fall drastically because the SEC rejects Bitcoin ETF, I think that positive factors that support bitcoin are still strong and can protect from FUD.

Until the end of this year, bitcoin volatility will be stable between $ 7,000 or $ 8,000, and a maximum of only $ 10,000.

Who knows what can be the impact of this news again, we seen some downtrend movement  from bitcoin value and its getting nearer to break
7k$ again, the fact that things really unpredictable from this market will give us an idea to keep moving forward, whatever the value will bring us down we just need to keep holding and buy if we do have opportunities and have spare money to used, it will bounce back and keep fluctuating while waiting for the massed adoptions from big businesses and government around the world.

"i think in the mid of 2019 or in the end of next year will be next big pump. here anything can happen. it's difficult to predict what happen next. we hope that it will do something good in future.
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Is that not the way everything works these days? The super rich people push out the middle class and poor people out of the

economy, placing as many barrier to entry as possible in their way. The Banking sector and large stock exchanges has been

doing this for years. Just a quick question... So once the Rockefeller's & Rothschild's and Soros owns all the bitcoins, what

happens then? Do they still sell them or do they simply kill the supply... just curious what you think would happen.  ;D

bitcoin is totally unpredictable everything can happen anytime. i think price manipulation of bitcoin has been going on for a long time. i hope it will be doing something good in future.

Indeed it is very hard to predict what price could hit in the following months. Their is a tendency price may drops or price may swing to increase again. However, possible this year ends btc price could increase from today.

The attention a lot of people are giving to the ETF approval is even becoming too much. Approved or not, Bitcoin will definitely move the way it pleases and no one can know specifically how it would react based on certain news. The issue of some big whales controlling the market is however not new and this is where the rich keeps getting richer and the smart ones joining them.

But, whales and the riches are indispensable in the market, there presence is needed to some extent but there should a regulations in cryptocurrency systems. If not price slash and bear season will continue dominating the market.

Lol exaggerated dude,youre telling us about trillions nd trillions when market cap cant even reached the one trillion capitalization

And how did you know about ETF will be approved by febuary next year?And even if does this will not bring bog impact to market because people here have use to this,and ETF is just another positive news and nothings more

This prediction is just a lot of predictions that do not happen and maybe this also does not happen, but in this case also we must anticipate if this happens what we will do so we do not losing more money obviously losing money.

you know that bitcoin is totally unpredictable everything can happen anytime. that's why it will increase price next year and pump in mid 2019. it will be doing good in future.

In my opinion, it's a little bit conspirology because bitcoin market doesn't work like this. Read some theory how does it works

I think it will be bad for small investors. Big investors like this whales will anyhow maximize their profits. But small investors will have hard times. So it's time to show patience.

It can be happened. As SEC is postponing the ETF for a long time. So i think they are going to postpone again. So we should be prepared if these thing happens in the next.

I think your thoughts can be true. If this thing happens we have to show our best level of patience that time. Otherwise it can be worst time with bitcoin as many small investor will have big losses.

Bitcoin is very unpredictable. Maybe your thoughts may come true but we are not sure about it. And ups and downs are very common in crypto. So, as far as we are happy with our investment in crypto, it's better to not bother about who control it the most.

Actually this is the advantage of using the situation. Since they have bought many coins so it is obvious the in case of price rising, they will get the benefits. Moreover this does not mean that bitcoin will be controlled by them as it is decentralized.

BTC is not controlled by anyone. It is run on a decentralized system. And on a much brighter note, since these companies have bought them, it could mean that there is a chance for the price to go up.

I think this is not actually true. Moreover it is general that he buyer of the bitcoin will get advantage as they have bought the coin at the time of low price and the situation can be the opposite of this. Nothing is sure here and bitcoin will not be controlled by them.

Every time big investors try to control Bitcoin. But since it is decentralized so we can find out our profits at any time. We just have to make a little calculation and have the skills to choose the right time.

BTC is tottaly decentralized but some factor and whales indirectly manupulate it's market but that's not happen direcly. Because BTC is tottaly unpredictable.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.  ::)

We all know that SEC will postpone the ETF permission of BTC on September 30th. After that situation there are high chances that prices of bitcoin will fall down and it will be easier to BTC controllers to buy them in a lower price and get high price when price rises again.

There are possibilities that prices may fall drastically next month. It is easy to predict that SEC will postpone the ETF approval and the price of BTC will fall down. May rich people will take advantage of tit and buy coins at low price.

Such an event always happens in Bitcoin. And when the price of bittcoin decreases, we assume different things. But I think that if I concentrate on business, I can get Bitcoin's benefit.

I can agree with your point of whales or rich trying their best in having most of the bitcoin units to themselves
using the dips as an opportunity to do this.

Not easy to predict what wilol be happen with BTC in next year but you thouhght is appreciable. Hope BTC never come back to it's worst time again.

Your prediction is possible but that's quite high to say that by February price is likely to rise up to $100,000. Institutional money will come in for sure and it will be no more a secret that there are real whales are now in the crypto economy. But I don't think those people hold a lot of bitcoin as you mentioned, those who have been holding a lot of it are well known and we haven't saw some whales bought a lot of bitcoin which will drive the market for a bull.

All I know is that bitcoin has the potential to surprise even  Satoshi  himself so come next month bitcoin will give us another surprise, get ready for it.

In my own opinion, yes you are right that whales can actually control the price of bitcoins but since there are a lot of people who are also investing in the market, so it was possible for the price to pump up if everyone will focus on investing rather than selling their coins.

Bitcoin will be increasing again and many investors come back to invest and hope it will show a great market 0price gradually.

I believe that the price will increase even more in the future just like what happened last 2017 because most of the people in other countries today is possible to invest due to legalization such in country like russia , korea , china etc.

It’s basically impossible to predict short-term moves in this crazy market but the present bear market feels more like a natural reaction to 2017′s bull market than a reflection of any fundamental problems.

you're right, basically bitcoin prices can't be predicted. yeah, but we all hope that the price of bitcoin will be higher. currently, it is very difficult to predict the price path of bitcoin, when it rises high, there will be a decline. we can't predict it but we might be able to prepare it and take advantage of this moment.

It will depend on any cryptocurrency-related developments that may happen the next several weeks. If these developmens turns out to be positive, the prices of major coins will surely go up. Since last January the market has been bearish and both bitcoin and the altcoins has already lost some significant vaultes. In the remaining three months of this year, bitcoin price might go up like what it achieved last 2017 but will still manage 
Oto grow profitably

maybe what will happen with the condition of bitcoin prices in the next month will experience a price increase but that all needs good news and it is very difficult to predict the movement of bitcoin prices.

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    The awareness of having difficulties on market is an exeptional thing that happen on crypto world. For the past 9 months having the bull run is not easy to recover and for the past progress. But still it has 4 months remaining to overcome this risky situation and will be able to grow constantly.

This sounds very interesting and I am also praying for that to happen. ETF approval and then $100k are very much possible. I believe even $250k also will be possible on ETF approval.

In between, in the following months also we are going to see a bigger movement, I do not know if it will be going down or up (I feel like up is more possible) but I know that for months we have been going between the same amounts without actually achieving anything and the price has not moved properly to any direction so the build up is getting stronger and stronger which will make the movement a lot quicker and stronger so in the following months people will say enough and there will be a movement to a direction that will be huge and change the course of bitcoin price for a looong time. I do not see how bitcoin can stay around these numbers for any longer.

This is not sure to tell what will happen BTC next months . Now price is low of bitcoin.I think this year can not increase the price of bitcoin,may be the next year can increase the price of bitcoin.On the other side,next month may be increase the price.Anytime possible to happen anything.

Nobody knows what will exactly heppen in coming months but i believe that bitcoin value will fall a little bit.Rest it is totally unpredictable.Looking at the present scenario i just guess that its value will decrease to some extent,but there is nothing to worry bitcoin has the potential to recover.In split of second value can either decrease or increase so no one can surely say anything regarding BTC's value.

That is indeed quite dizzy because anyone who has a lot of Bitcoin will easily manipulate prices. For someone who wants to manipulate prices, it requires a lot of money. But I still believe in the users of Bitcoin, a very large amount will make the Bitcoin market very large and I'm sure if all Bitcoin users unite to use Bitcoin much more often then over time the price of Bitcoin will continue to increase.

If you ask my opinion about future price or conditions I will say I do not know especially in the Bitcoin which is unstable and we can not predict the actual future value.

It will have uncertainty in it so it is not important to worry about future but try out in the current market of Bitcoin as it is well available in its favorable conditions. You have to use less money in order to make a good collection of it so that you may have opportunity to have great profit in bull market.

maybe what will happen with bitcoin in the next few months, bitcoin will start to show price increases and maybe there will be good news that makes the price of bitcoin prices rise, hopefully that hope can happen and become real.

For me personally the price will has a positive price increase for we are entering the last quater of the early and basing from the status usually the price sky rockets starting the end of the years so better watch out the price movements care fully!