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High school golf coach, 36, admits to having sex with 17-year-old student after the two are caught NAKED in the back of his pickup truck
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572552/High-school-golf-coach-36-admits-having-sex-17-year-old-student-two-caught-NAKED-pickup-truck.html

'When asked what they were doing, Guilfoy told the officer they were having sex,' IMPD Lieutenant Christopher Bailey said in a statement. 'Guilfoy also told officers he was a teacher at Greenwood High School and that the female inside the truck was one of his students.'


Duh...

They should say an oath for for teachers.


Though Shall Not have sex while they are still your students and are not of legal age.

Meh, "legal" age. Depends where you live, anything above 16 goes imo.
Although student-teacher relationships should be prohibited for other reasons.

I wonder how long it is before adults finally admit that people under the age of 18 have a mind of their own?

p.s. I think teenagers should be given the vote, maybe even younger

Meh, the reason teenagers aren't allowed to vote is because voting is primarily in the end about things that you're not really involved in before you're 18. Not to say their opinions aren't worth anything, but when it comes to laws, tax regulations etc most sub 18 teenagers doesn't have the experience or knowledge to be able to take part in a vote. Imo.

So I take it the fact that teenagers can join the army, be in debt because of massive hyperinflation and borrowing committed by adults who screw them over, the education system, driving laws and labour laws don't affect them in the slightest?

In what country do people below the age of 18 join the army?
About the education system, you could argue that would be an individual voting system for that, perhaps lowering the age restriction and letting the people who actually are educated at the time have a say in it.

If you're 16 in the UK you can join the Army with parental permission, no, there shouldn't be a separate voting system, that's just both stupid and inefficient there's no good reason to stop teenagers from voting, it's just people yet again discriminating against other people based on what they are lol.

Being below the age of 18 myself I know for sure that I wouldn't want 90% of the people my own age that I know to decide the future of my country. You seem to me like a 16 year old going through his rebellious stage with some sort of freedom obsession that feels the world is unfair to him. Don't worry, we've all gone through that stage.

I'm 23 and I guarantee I'll feel this way when I'm 70.

The age was 16 "back in the day" and now 18, that's a mess.
So an 18.5 year old cannot have a 17.25 year old girlfriend?

NO! Even if she's one month younger than you it's still rape and assault and totally wrong! BLEH!

Some Libertarians want a flexible age based on "maturity", but I'm not sure if they mean just puberty or other types of maturity.
Not an easy subject to talk about.

What is wrong with 17? I think  she already knows what she is doing. She is not a child anymore. What is wrong with society today?

Unfortunately you'll find people in power and her parents won't see it that way.

Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not discussing whether or not teenagers should be able to chose freely things that only impact their own lives, such as who they're sleeping with, drinking alcohol etc. But they should not have the position to be in power of whatever country you live in.

That's basically what you are saying, they are of a certain age, therefore their lives should be managed regardless of what they have to say about it, people use the same arguments against children that they used against women and blacks.

Racial and gender discrimination is not comparable to age. If you're 16 and are not allowed to vote, you'll be 18 in 2 years, if you're black and not allowed to vote, you won't turn white in 2 years. I would suggest you keep those unpopular comparisons to yourself.

student-teacher relationship should never be av bused and if someone do they should get their ass kicked also having sex with someone not of the legal age is a great risk so avoid it always though the age limit is different in every country !!

Well, at least he was honest. :D

I noticed that too.
His honesty will not help him much (this time), but he did tell the truth.
He probably didn't need to be so quick about telling them he was a teacher, but he was busted either way.

Well he could've said that they were playing a card game with invisible cards and invisible clothes
I'm not sure honesty is even a factor in helpfulness for this situation

I remember that as one of the commandments..

Nice..

I don't see why admitting your crime would be better. It helps the investigation and so but why would it excuse whatever you did?

Moses left it out, why?
Was he feeling a bit guilty?

I don't remember the part where Moses is a teacher that has sex with his students in the back of his pickup truck.
Then again I haven't read the bible.

My basketball coach in HS banged some whore from our class, she was 18 but he got fired of course anyways

It's not about it being illegal, it's about it being against the rules of your workplace. He didn't go to jail, he just got fired, correct?

Yes.  I didn't disagree with the firing, of course that precedent cannot be set in a school whether the girl is 18 or not. 

I think the law should be more focused on if the fact if it is a consented sex or not (since she is 17) rather than the counting the min and hours till she is 18 yo, (for reference the Age of consent in many European countries is 15 or 16 and apparently it works). well obviously there is another moral issue here as he is a teacher and she is his student, but he is getting jailed because she is underage...

What's wrong with this society ??? But if it's not a rape then... :D

Exactly, if it's not rape it's ok in my opinion. Of course there's got to be some sort of restriction to protect the younger children, but the fact that you have to be 18 to chose who you want to have sex with is a ridiculous law. However teachers shouldn't have relations (sexual or not) with their students, as it's inappropriate ( grading, marking tests and such ).

it depends really, when I was in high school (more than a decade ago I guess) I remember my english teacher was in a relationship with one of the student and they were engaged once the year was over he marrierd her, he is a professional and he did his job properly, and also their relationship was "clean", they only meet in public places or with the familly I'm almost sure they married as virgins both of them.

Well in 9.9/10 other situations he'd get fired. Can you imagine how hard it is to do your work fair if you're dating one of your students?

if you are a professional it shouldn't be a problem at all trust me, in fact it has an opposite effect I can tell you this from my experience, since a lot of my family are teachers (high school and university) and I can tell you that they are more strict with me than with the other students. it doesn't change the fact that there are some that might want to abuse the system but that's the exception not the general rule

Mhm, I don't know where you're from or anything but the general opinion is that teacher-student relationships are taboo. It's not that hard to wait till you finish school, and if you're not having a physical relationship anyways it shouldn't be a problem. But if everything works out well and professionally, then I don't see a reason it could not be. :)

yes exactly, the teacher-student relationship is a complex one, since usually we are talking about underaged or immature students and old teacher, also the nature of the relation/influence the relationship have makes things more complicated, but again in this case it's silly that one guy should go to prison if they were having consented sex, him being fired from the school is a punishment for it self since he did something morally wrong

I think the student is old enough. If they don't  do it on the school what is the problem?

Exactly. Shouldn't be against the law, but if it's against the school policy, his punishment should be school related, e.g getting fired.

interesting topic and interesting discussion on the matter.  I think it is wrong given his position of authority in the young adults life and he should have used better judgement.  In this case I'd think doin time is not needed unless the parents try to press charges or something like that took place.

Good point of view. We still don't have enough facts to know if the said student
were trying to get a better position when regarding grades, marks etc. If so it
was definitely wrong of the teacher to take this to his advantage. If it was just
consentual sex however between 2 invidviduals it shouldn't have consequences.
It's law vs workplace policies, once again.

I 100% agree and couldn't have put it better myself.  I was hesitant to post on this topic but the viewpoints I read such as yours were rather refreshing. 

Hah, there's always the issue with the internet, share the wrong opinion and you get jumped and bashed.
It's alright, I think most people using crypto currencies are slightly liberal anyways and would agree with
me and the others stating similar opinions.

Yes that's right, blame the teacher and not the student, because the student is obviously going to be always completely innocent in regards to knowing about sex and doesn't have any idea of what they're doing LOL >_> it amazes me actually how people refuse to look at a situation that defies their stereotypes and accept reality and instead cling onto their silly pre-conceptions about certain groups of people. They wanted to fuck, they fucked and got caught, the end, I seriously doubt there's any massive conspiracy here or attempted rape or blackmail like everybody seems to want to believe, teenagers and children are far cleverer than adults ever give them credit for, people are just trying to dig around for an answer they want rather than what they'll actually get.

Something similar happened here in the UK with a whole teacher/student - older/younger thing and the BBC in particular went on a witch hunt over it trying to pick up all these examples until eventually a quite brave woman came on who had done it with a star when she was of a young age and she said she was completely aware of what she was doing, as you can expect, she was pretty much ignored, but I give credit for anyone who has the balls to admit that and say it publicly to help out men in particular.

she is 17, a teacher nowadays don't have a position of authority at all, she can just refuses him and tell on him the school administration or her familly and he'll be in shit trouble even if he is innocent (this is way teachers keeps their distance from student usually because it's all about reputation) at 17 yo she is an adult and can make judgment for her self in general (some matures less rapidly but in todays society in general kids mature much fasture than they used two due to the amount of information they receive and they have access to)

folks I'm not saying the student is innocent in all of this but what do you think should happen to her?  maybe a blemish on her academic career is in order I don't know.  But the teacher is the authority figure in this situation and should no better.  Don't put you or your student in this situation and there is no issue.

You wanna bank so bad wait still she is 18 and avoid this type of issue.  As for kids maturing faster I'm on the fence with that.  I see alot of adults that act like children all the time.  There is more info available sure but many people don't know how to digest all the info that is around them and just become spoiled and sort of mentally lazy IMO.

but why were they stupid enough to do it in a pickup truck where they can get caught, this probably isn't the first student he "did" as he wouldn't feel so free to do so in the early beginning

Not sure what you mean really I felt he made a good point and I let him no just that.  Don't feel as though i was being attacked or bullied just given a different point of view to consider that may not have had.  and if you mean more classical liberal like the type of values that America is based on then yes you can put me in with that group anytime.

I guess counter can't hear us over his freedom :D

Notice he used the words classical american liberals, those who escaped their countries to flee from religious prosecution etc,
probably not the war crazed freedom lovers of today.

Debating the age is stupid.  The fact is he had authority over her.. that's a big no no.

Which makes no sense at all.

How can you tell that he has autorithy over her? I'm pretty sure that any teacher that get pointed out by one of his students for harassement and especially sexual harassament is in big trouble to say the least (even if it is not true)

I guess the 17 year olds parents aren't going to visit the police station for that :D
I guess they think it's okay, still no excuse for such flaws in law..

Most adults don't have the experience or knowledge to be able to take part in a vote.

sorry for the slow reply I was busy being free :)  I can't explain the logic of these two one bit sorry.  I think they made more then one bad decision and now here we are trying to make sense of it all the best we can.

 

Very true I'm not very fond of war.  I find it very seldom has a positive outcome.  But if there needs to be a war I'd like to think I a supporter of the side with the moral high ground.

i am 25 and I feel like I am 70

I live in Italy and legally you can have sex with anyone above 14 but funniest thing is that people do not know it and think 16 or 18 years are necessary. Anyway socially if you are more than 18/20 and you have sex with a 14 yo girl you are seenas a  pedo.
I never did sex with a teen (even as a teen)  but I think that if I was allowed I would do it with Any girl looking cute, I would not be bothered by age, and I am sure most men think like me but do kitwant tto admit When iI say I would not be bothered by age I mean that a very cute 12 yo girl would arise me exactly as a woman, this in my inside while in my outside I would not show anything cause this hypocritical society would not let me it. In ancient times girls were married even in 11 or 12 and could consume, with nno social scandal.  It is all matter of society and moral of a certain time and period .

Well the reason they were married were due to the very small life span. So it really isn't an argument here.

she is still now close to the shitstorm the teacher is getting, he already lost his career in teaching he'll be jailed, he'll be denigrated .....ect ect

My issue with is that she is 17 and considered a minor legaly, if the relationship was consensual then there should be no legal issue here, I can understand the decision to fire him (which really harsh) if it is against school regulation and for reputation sake and what's not and the student should be punished in the same way, but from there to have legal shitstorm on him is another story

I think it's absolutely fair to fire him, if it's against the school policy ( which it is with 99.99% certainty ). Every teacher or employee for that matter should make sure to know their rights and what they can and can't do. However legal punishment? Nah, that'd just be ridiculous.

You can change that and feel young again.  :)

Yeah, for example by having sex with a 17 year old girl, or what? :D
Maybe the teacher was just having a mid life crisis!

Mid life crisis? Sounds to me like he was at the top of his game if he's a teacher and can score girls that young without being rich and successful :P

we really don't know, it might have been serious between the two, the weird part is that when he was found he admited everything in the spot he was to honest about it I guess

what if they did him just to get good grades?

Then he's an ass for doing it, and they're bitches for asking for it. Students should be expelled, teacher should lose his employment.

Doubtfull, unless he is really a pervert and someone who can't control him self, but that is really exceptional

Well, he knew he was gonna be done for soon..

Meh, why not? Student-teacher sexual relationships aren't unusual at all, and if one of the benefits would be higher grades, would that be surprising?

O.o don't know where you live, but as someone who travels a lot I can assure you that it is not the case, teacher student relationship are pretty rare and exceptional, teachers knows the weight of responsibility they have and the problem it could create for them, not even universaty teacher do such a thing

High school golf coach? ....wtf, when I was in HS we didnt have a golf team

lol nice catch I forgot about that shit! golf coach <.< he is not even a real teacher per say!

Are there high schools that have golf teams? Which part of the world is this? lol

1st world problems... i guess it must be some $$$$$ private school

Indeed, private school where posh twats can send their posh twat kids to sleep with the teachers. >.<

and as a Privite school I don't understand why they didn't keep this underwarp, instead of getting bad publicity about it weird

It's not the School's fault though, and it shouldn't get a bad reputation.
"And as a Private school" by the way, are you a Private school? :D

not me the school is lol, no what I'm saying didn't they get caught with a school guard and not a police patrol? I don't recall correctly as it's been a while, but if it was a school guard then something doesn't right, also the guy said everything