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Title: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: rat on March 06, 2014, 02:57:44 PM
first off, the guy lived in plain sight. with his name intact.

gavin and satoshi's family helped out him - possibly inadvertently.

and, if the freelance reporter who who found him didn't - someone else would have eventually.

he admitted "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection."

it's not like he tried hard to hide.



i can't help to think that he may actually have wanted to be found -

just not this soon.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: rayfloyd on March 06, 2014, 03:11:09 PM
"I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection."

This quote may very well be out of context. Reporters sometimes like to take Answer #2 and staple it to Question #1

There is also no context of this particular answer


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: dreamspark on March 06, 2014, 03:16:46 PM
How can you say don't blame the reporter for doxxing him? 

Whether its the real Satoshi or not it is unethical to include photos of this guys house and involve his kids. I hope it is him simply because Satoshi can afford to move and protect himself, if it isn't him then I feel so sorry for the shit storm thats about to land on this guys doorstep. Oh, all while he's recovering from a stroke and prostate cancer...


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: pbj sammich on March 06, 2014, 04:03:55 PM
"I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection."

This quote may very well be out of context. Reporters sometimes like to take Answer #2 and staple it to Question #1

There is also no context of this particular answer

this.

They are very adept at applying answers in the context that suits there interests.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: vabtc on March 06, 2014, 04:21:06 PM
I don't know guys.. what possible question could have produced a response like that?

I see a lot of embarrassing confirmation biases on BT today.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: meanig on March 06, 2014, 04:24:01 PM
Quote
I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it

Journalists make up quotes to suit their own agenda. She can write whatever she likes about a doorstep conversation because there's no way for the other person to refute what was said.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: bitpop on March 06, 2014, 04:24:16 PM
Someone dox her nudes


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Lauda on March 06, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
You realize he's in trouble because of the reporter?
The reported didn't have to make that article.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Ekaros on March 06, 2014, 04:26:00 PM
I don't know guys.. what possible question could have produced a response like that?

I see a lot of embarrassing confirmation biases on BT today.

What government programs he was involved in...


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: SirWilliam on March 06, 2014, 04:26:49 PM
Come on now, try to think for one second..

I can think of hundreds...

"Did you work on a classified government project?"

"Did you work on a innovative technology project?"

"Did you program a (insert whatever you want)?"

"Did you invent (insert vague tech. concept)?"

"Did you head a group working on (insert whatever you want)?"

"Did you build the world's most realistic scale model train?"

 ;D

I don't know guys.. what possible question could have produced a response like that?

I see a lot of embarrassing confirmation biases on BT today.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: chrisLG on March 06, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Come on now, try to think for one second..

I can think of hundreds...

"Did you work on a classified government project?"

"Did you work on a innovative technology project?"

"Did you program a (insert whatever you want)?"

"Did you invent (insert vague tech. concept)?"

"Did you head a group working on (insert whatever you want)?"

"Did you build the world's most realistic scale model train?"

 ;D

I don't know guys.. what possible question could have produced a response like that?

I see a lot of embarrassing confirmation biases on BT today.

+1 This is exactly what I wanted to comment on this situation. Ask any person that worked on classified government projects "can you comment on the classified work you did?" and they will answer what Dorian Nakamoto answered.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: SirWilliam on March 06, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
I don't know guys.. what possible question could have produced a response like that?

I see a lot of embarrassing confirmation biases on BT today.

What government programs he was involved in...

Haha, ya beat me to it my man!

Plus the dude AND his family seem a tiny bit "eccentric." I wouldn't be surprised if the conversation they had with him, while he was waiting for the cops to get rid of them, wasn't exactly a nice clear interview with confirmation of answers and mutual understanding. That ain't journalism folks, this story belongs in the National Enquirer.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: vabtc on March 06, 2014, 04:32:19 PM
Good points, but you don't "turn over" any of those things... I also don't think it's a secret NSA project...  I'm the world's biggest media skeptic, but this finding seems pretty legit.  There are a lot of things pointing to it being a real scoop.  A complete mindfuck for me last night when I first found out but after reading the article.. it seems pretty well researched. it bothers me she got his email from a 3rd party.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Slab Squathrust on March 06, 2014, 04:35:29 PM
How can you say don't blame the reporter for doxxing him? 

Whether its the real Satoshi or not it is unethical to include photos of this guys house and involve his kids. I hope it is him simply because Satoshi can afford to move and protect himself, if it isn't him then I feel so sorry for the shit storm thats about to land on this guys doorstep. Oh, all while he's recovering from a stroke and prostate cancer...

Yeah, his house can easily be located with internet searches.  Apparently they did not bother to blur the license plate on his vehicle.  She identified family members.  She may as well gone up painted a target on his back and hung a sign on his neck stating, "I am worth $400 million."  It is one thing if people want to go out and flaunt their wealth.  They have no one to blame but themselves if someone tries to knock them over for it.  However, if this is truly Satoshi, he clearly wasn't going out of his way to be found, and his life is now going to be a bit riskier.    


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Lauda on March 06, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
How can you say don't blame the reporter for doxxing him?  

Whether its the real Satoshi or not it is unethical to include photos of this guys house and involve his kids. I hope it is him simply because Satoshi can afford to move and protect himself, if it isn't him then I feel so sorry for the shit storm thats about to land on this guys doorstep. Oh, all while he's recovering from a stroke and prostate cancer...

Yeah, his house can easily be located with internet searches.  Apparently they did not bother to blur the license plate on his vehicle.  She identified family members.  She may as well gone up painted a target on his back and hung a sign on his neck stating, "I am worth $400 million."  It is one thing if people want to go out and flaunt their wealth.  They have no one to blame but themselves if someone tries to knock them over for it.  However, if this is truly Satoshi, he clearly wasn't going out of his way to be found, and his life is now going to be a bit riskier.    
A bit?
You realize this is the easiest $400M target that I've ever seen. If he is Satoshi and still holds the coins, of course.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Slab Squathrust on March 06, 2014, 04:38:11 PM
How can you say don't blame the reporter for doxxing him?  

Whether its the real Satoshi or not it is unethical to include photos of this guys house and involve his kids. I hope it is him simply because Satoshi can afford to move and protect himself, if it isn't him then I feel so sorry for the shit storm thats about to land on this guys doorstep. Oh, all while he's recovering from a stroke and prostate cancer...

Yeah, his house can easily be located with internet searches.  Apparently they did not bother to blur the license plate on his vehicle.  She identified family members.  She may as well gone up painted a target on his back and hung a sign on his neck stating, "I am worth $400 million."  It is one thing if people want to go out and flaunt their wealth.  They have no one to blame but themselves if someone tries to knock them over for it.  However, if this is truly Satoshi, he clearly wasn't going out of his way to be found, and his life is now going to be a bit riskier.    
A bit?
You realize this is the easiest $400M target that I've ever seen. If he is Satoshi and still holds the coins, of course.

If he holds the coins, he has the ability to minimize the risk, at likely significant cost.  If he does not hold them, he is boned. 


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: log2exp on March 06, 2014, 04:41:42 PM
No proof unless he put up his digital signature.

Why not the real creator to be a person know this Satoshi during the working through the years together, knowing that his behaviour (private, deny everything), then use it as the 'revealed' face if dug by media.

Bottom line: the crypto idea is out of the bottle, and it's a brilliant one.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Gabi on March 06, 2014, 04:43:07 PM
There is no proof he is the real satoshi  ::)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: SirWilliam on March 06, 2014, 04:47:41 PM
Good points, but you don't "turn over" any of those things... I also don't think it's a secret NSA project...  I'm the world's biggest media skeptic, but this finding seems pretty legit.  There are a lot of things pointing to it being a real scoop.  A complete mindfuck for me last night when I first found out but after reading the article.. it seems pretty well researched. it bothers me she got his email from a 3rd party.

Hahaaaaa LMAO, oh you don't "turn over" any of those things, huh? As a native English speaker, let me give you a little lesson here:

"The classified government project has been turned over to other people."

"The innovative technology project has been turned over to other people."

"The programming of the (insert whatever) has been turned over to other people."

"The (vague tech. concept) has been turned over to other people."

"The  (insert whatever you want) has been turned over to other people."

"The world's most realistic scale model train (and it's running and maintenance) has been turned over to other people."

Cut the BS. If you are ESL then I forgive you, if not and you didn't finish public school I still forgive you. Otherwise you are grasping at straws or trolling.

Notice also he didn't say "I have turned it over" but "It has been turned over" which makes it ambiguous whether he was ever even in charge of whatever the hell they asked him about. We don't know if he was talking about Bitcoin. Period. He never even said the word "Bitcoin."

It's a tabloid story at best, a patchwork of details that neither prove nor disprove anything.

BTW, I was just giving a gov't project as an example of what they MAY have ASKED him about. I didn't mean to say that government project was Bitcoin. In fact just the opposite, I meant they could have just asked him "Did you work on a government project?"


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: vabtc on March 06, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
OK I'm done, you can believe what you want, and I'll believe what i want.  No convincing us otherwise.  Good day.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on March 06, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
"I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection."

This quote may very well be out of context. Reporters sometimes like to take Answer #2 and staple it to Question #1

There is also no context of this particular answer

yep, and also: who says, that he actually said this? you need a better proof than this.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: rat on March 06, 2014, 05:58:00 PM

it's him.

stop the butthurt.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: rayfloyd on March 06, 2014, 06:28:58 PM

it's him.

stop the butthurt.

Haha, you dense motherfucker.

You didn't even try refuting any of the arguments following your OP, you just skipped to ad hominems right way.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: rat on March 06, 2014, 06:54:03 PM

it's him.

stop the butthurt.

Haha, you dense motherfucker.

You didn't even try refuting any of the arguments following your OP, you just skipped to ad hominems right way.

the facts speak for themselves.

stop the butthurt.


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: freebit13 on March 06, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
first off, the guy lived in plain sight. with his name intact.

gavin and satoshi's family helped out him - possibly inadvertently.

and, if the freelance reporter who who found him didn't - someone else would have eventually.

he admitted "I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it. It's been turned over to other people. They are in charge of it now. I no longer have any connection."

it's not like he tried hard to hide.



i can't help to think that he may actually have wanted to be found -

just not this soon.
I doubt he actually wanted to be found, he hasn't used his real name in a long time... the article mentions he's been fighting cancer and had a stroke, so maybe he just slipped up... he's not very young anymore  ;)


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: glendall on March 06, 2014, 08:47:45 PM
I think the reporter went to far in revealing his address and license plate number and other private details. There is a very serious and real security concern here, which she obviously doesn't care about.

Newsweek should just stick to its regular garbage, like who twittered which celebrity about what stupid thing, like it usually does. 


Title: Re: Satoshi Nakamoto Doxxed: Don't Blame The Reporter
Post by: Lauda on March 06, 2014, 09:30:29 PM
I think the reporter went to far in revealing his address and license plate number and other private details. There is a very serious and real security concern here, which she obviously doesn't care about.

Newsweek should just stick to its regular garbage, like who twittered which celebrity about what stupid thing, like it usually does. 
They aren't smart enough for anything else any ways.