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Bitcoin open source implementation of P2P currency

    Posted by Satoshi Nakamoto on February 11, 2009 at 22:27
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I've developed a new open source P2P e-cash system called Bitcoin. It's completely decentralized, with no central server or trusted parties, because everything is based on crypto proof instead of trust. Give it a try, or take a look at the screenshots and design paper:

Download Bitcoin v0.1 at http://www.bitcoin.org

The root problem with conventional currency is all the trust that's required to make it work. The central bank must be trusted not to debase the currency, but the history of fiat currencies is full of breaches of that trust. Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve. We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts. Their massive overhead costs make micropayments impossible.

A generation ago, multi-user time-sharing computer systems had a similar problem. Before strong encryption, users had to rely on password protection to secure their files, placing trust in the system administrator to keep their information private. Privacy could always be overridden by the admin based on his judgment call weighing the principle of privacy against other concerns, or at the behest of his superiors. Then strong encryption became available to the masses, and trust was no longer required. Data could be secured in a way that was physically impossible for others to access, no matter for what reason, no matter how good the excuse, no matter what.

It's time we had the same thing for money. With e-currency based on cryptographic proof, without the need to trust a third party middleman, money can be secure and transactions effortless.

One of the fundamental building blocks for such a system is digital signatures. A digital coin contains the public key of its owner. To transfer it, the owner signs the coin together with the public key of the next owner. Anyone can check the signatures to verify the chain of ownership. It works well to secure ownership, but leaves one big problem unsolved: double-spending. Any owner could try to re-spend an already spent coin by signing it again to another owner. The usual solution is for a trusted company with a central database to check for double-spending, but that just gets back to the trust model. In its central position, the company can override the users, and the fees needed to support the company make micropayments impractical.

Bitcoin's solution is to use a peer-to-peer network to check for double-spending. In a nutshell, the network works like a distributed timestamp server, stamping the first transaction to spend a coin. It takes advantage of the nature of information being easy to spread but hard to stifle. For details on how it works, see the design paper at http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

The result is a distributed system with no single point of failure. Users hold the crypto keys to their own money and transact directly with each other, with the help of the P2P network to check for double-spending.

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woot...also
http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x773761647B536415

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I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

"I am not Dorian Nakamoto."

Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1'

Type bits/keyID     cr. time   exp time   key expir

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30            
    Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

uid Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig3  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ [selfsig]
sig  sig   04143362 2011-11-01 __________ __________ lzsaver <lzsaver@gmail.com>
sig  sig   DAB591E7 2013-03-27 __________ __________ theymos <theymos+pgp@mm.st>
sig  sig   F2E50027 2013-04-19 __________ __________ Antony Bailey <support@antonybailey.net>
sig  sig   2346C9A6 2013-05-10 __________ __________ Wladimir J. van der Laan <laanwj@gmail.com>
sig  sig   FFDB1CCC 2013-07-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   F91975FE 2013-09-20 __________ __________ Cubaguy <cubaguy@gmail.com>
sig  sig   7471C2D0 2013-09-21 __________ __________ Harald Schilly <harald.schilly@gmail.com>
sig  sig1  67E4FA04 2013-10-12 __________ __________ Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
sig  sig   7B536415 2014-03-06 __________ __________ Satoshi Nakamoto (Resident of California) <satoshin@gmx.com>

sub  2048g/D6AAA69F 2008-10-30            
sig sbind  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ []

http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1

Who are these guys in the list?

Proof that is him and not a hacked profile?

He should definitely transfer a Bitcent of one of his wallets to another of his wallets to prove it.

Whos writing this movie script?

OP, how did you found out he replied so fast after he poster it?

OP, how did you found out he replied so fast after he posted it?

Pretty good question.

Satoshi is probably posting in this thread ;)

I don't want to assume anything, can you explain in a little more detail what this is and what it means?

Proof that is him and not a hacked profile?

I suppose "this" Satoshi Nakamoto is the equivalent of Bitcoin Jesus. We can now split Satoshism into a Jew and Christian division which will allow us all to become a legitimate 501(c)(3)! Praise the lord!

oh shut up.

but Satoshi is still around!? What the..how can he not feel tempted to spend his millions?

I am Robert Paulson

I suppose "this" Satoshi Nakamoto is the equivalent of Bitcoin Jesus. We can now split Satoshism into a Jew and Christian division which will allow us all to become a legitimate 501(c)(3)! Praise the lord!

it's not hacked account. why do you think it was hacked right after "I want my free lunch" came about and never before since 2011?



Welcome back Satoshi

Hi Satoshi, if you read this and feel generous : 1CTVsEs3Qad2rnREXDtxXyj8rswPECn9UG  :-*

His Name is Robert Paulson

This thread is the giddiest I have ever been about Bitcoin since.... well..... ever!

praise the lord, thou hast spoken.
In the name of the satoshi, the bitcoin and the holy blockchain, amen.

Gentlemen its time we recite a prayer Hallelujah

I bet it is Dorian posting!  ::)
SMART GUY!

woot...also
http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x773761647B536415

This only makes it more likely that he is Dorian Nakamoto. Otherwise why pop up now? All these years the forums have been chock full of people speculating and naming everyone under the sun as Nakamoto. Why speak up now?

This only makes it more likely that he is Dorian Nakamoto. Otherwise why pop up now? All these years the forums have been chock full of people speculating and naming everyone under the sun as Nakamoto. Why speak up now?

;D ;D Amen

You could sign his key (with yours) right now if you wanted.

This only makes it more likely that he is Dorian Nakamoto. Otherwise why pop up now? All these years the forums have been chock full of people speculating and naming everyone under the sun as Nakamoto. Why speak up now?

Well after some idiot was spreading FUD in another thread and trash-talking me for being right, sure I can say that.

One thing to add. The search parameters have been narrowed, we know the location, we can find him now if need be. I suggest Satoshi to anonymize ASAP.

Maybe because he feels guilty about choosing this poor mans name to use. He should have went with John Doe, but where the coolness in that.

A naive question: can't that internet California location be spoofed?

A naive question: can't that internet California location be spoofed?

Expect Satoshi's account here to become active in the near-future

Everyone, please calm the fuck down, for fuck's sake.  :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

"Resident of California" could be a trap, there are many Japanese people living in California.

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Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1'

Type bits/keyID     cr. time   exp time   key expir

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30            
	 Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1 

uid Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig3  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ [selfsig]
sig  sig   04143362 2011-11-01 __________ __________ lzsaver <lzsaver@gmail.com>
sig  sig   DAB591E7 2013-03-27 __________ __________ theymos <theymos+pgp@mm.st>
sig  sig   F2E50027 2013-04-19 __________ __________ Antony Bailey <support@antonybailey.net>
sig  sig   2346C9A6 2013-05-10 __________ __________ Wladimir J. van der Laan <laanwj@gmail.com>
sig  sig   FFDB1CCC 2013-07-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   F91975FE 2013-09-20 __________ __________ Cubaguy <cubaguy@gmail.com>
sig  sig   7471C2D0 2013-09-21 __________ __________ Harald Schilly <harald.schilly@gmail.com>
sig  sig1  67E4FA04 2013-10-12 __________ __________ Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>

sub  2048g/D6AAA69F 2008-10-30            
sig sbind  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ []

omfg SATOSHI!!! <3 <3 <3  

THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!

But what if Dorian just logged on at home and posted that comment?

But what if Dorian just logged on at home and posted that comment?

I bet it is Dorian posting!  ::)
SMART GUY!

A smart man would really be so predictable ??

SATOSHI IS AMONG US.

That is what I draw from this experience.

But either way, it is Satoshi.   But we will still never know for sure who Satoshi is...

The great paradox.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7354326

 ??? ??? ???

 I don't know what to think, really.

Why hasn't the price rallied!

Well after some idiot was spreading FUD in another thread and trash-talking me for being right, sure I can say that.

One thing to add. The search parameters have been narrowed, we know the location, we can find him now if need be. I suggest Satoshi to anonymize ASAP.

Stay safe, Satoshi.

Lose the $666 price while all this is going on? Heresy!

That Satoshi is back (err -- I mean here, still) may be extremely bearish. "He" holds more than a couple coins. If he were made known, he's lost that reason to not cash out. There are a good few implications, and it'll probably be hashed out over the next few days, but it is significant price-related news.

I haven't gotten any work done today...

I'd like a message signed with the genesis block mining priv key ;)

I haven't gotten any work done today...

Forgive my ignorance but is it possible to fake the date a key was signed?  


sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>


http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 (http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1)

Dorian's key was sel-signed in 2008.  So if dates are legit he's been on radar for quite some time.  Possible Satoshi picked him in advance to model his fake profile on?

Gentlemen its time we recite a prayer Hallelujah

Good question!

Seems odd. Maybe the account was hacked, or fake? Why not sign a message?

This day is so awesome.

google cache says ignore:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2ufzp7t.png

Fuck off you greedy begger there is no premine in Bitcoin

Amazing day.

Looking at it logically it would seem that Dorian is Satoshi.

my 2 satoshi's worth.

His page says he is 38 years old BTW.

Forgive my ignorance but is it possible to fake the date a key was signed?  


sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>


http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 (http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1)

Dorian's key was sel-signed in 2008.  So if dates are legit he's been on radar for quite some time.  Possible Satoshi picked him in advance to model his fake profile on?

Amazing day.

Looking at it logically it would seem that Dorian is Satoshi.

my 2 satoshi's worth.

Fuck off you greedy begger there is no premine in Bitcoin

I suppose "this" Satoshi Nakamoto is the equivalent of Bitcoin Jesus. We can now split Satoshism into a Jew and Christian division which will allow us all to become a legitimate 501(c)(3)! Praise the lord!

Two options here - My guess, Satoshi decided to go with Option A.

A) Satoshi is responding to the madness so that there is no more headaches for Dorian
B) Someone hacked into it or found an exploit to write that.

Ning was never a reliable platform even in the early days of the Ning Social network.

Satoshi needs to speak up in the forums of BitcoinTalk!

But what if Dorian just logged on at home and posted that comment?

Satoshi Locomoto

Satoshi:

http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1

Dorian:

http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x1CB778227480B161

dates are the same?

my favorite part is the name and date on this line

sig  sig   5C5BF7A4 2001-03-23 __________ __________ John Titor

from this page http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1

can a site admin to such a thing? maybe if paid well?

Well after some idiot was spreading FUD in another thread and trash-talking me for being right, sure I can say that.

One thing to add. The search parameters have been narrowed, we know the location, we can find him now if need be. I suggest Satoshi to anonymize ASAP.

Why hasn't the price rallied!

looks legit  :o

Good to know that he's alive... but also bad to know that he's still active as that means 1,000,000 BTC are not gone forever...

Yep, there's no way he just added "Resident of California" to that string to throw anyone off or anything.  Why would he right! :D

Silly internetz.

Bitcoin has such a soft launch the amount amassed by any one person with a normal computer mining even months after the launch would be in excess of any other common 'pre-mines' so in effect there kinda is, if you wanna get into the depths of it ......... The majority of bitcoins are so densely spread amongst the early adopters that if some % of this stash was given away now (like how the faucets were in 2012) it would probably be quite beneficial for bitcoin economy and growth in general.

no problem and have a nice day  ;D

Amazing day.

Looking at it logically it would seem that Dorian is Satoshi.

my 2 satoshi's worth.

While we're picking apart details that are likely fake, @qmx.com I suppose is http://www.qmx.com/specialist-chemicals-and-products-for-chemistry.htm

OMG, Satoshi is a sentient gas cloud, confirmed!!

Either that or it's www.facebook.com/QuantumMechanix, in which case future time traveller Satoshi confirmed.

March 6th, 2014

Bitcoin Easter

Guys... long time lurker, had to make an account today!

just wanted to say..at this point, GPG, PGP, cryptography is not going to prove shit! All you can say is that Yes, this was signed with the proper key! Unless you were watching Dorian at his house and hitting f5 to see a new comment from Satoshi is being posted or not you wouldn't know! That is of course minus the possibility of him scripting it or just giving his key to someone else..... stop saying "sign it brahhh". That's not how it works!

Guys... long time lurker, had to make an account today!

just wanted to say..at this point, GPG, PGP, cryptography is not going to prove shit! All you can say is that Yes, this was signed with the proper key! Unless you were watching Dorian at his house and hitting f5 to see a new comment from Satoshi is being posted or not you wouldn't know! That is of course minus the possibility of him scripting it or just giving his key to someone else..... stop saying "sign it brahhh". That's not how it works!

Guys... long time lurker, had to make an account today!

just wanted to say..at this point, GPG, PGP, cryptography is not going to prove shit! All you can say is that Yes, this was signed with the proper key! Unless you were watching Dorian at his house and hitting f5 to see a new comment from Satoshi is being posted or not you wouldn't know! That is of course minus the possibility of him scripting it or just giving his key to someone else..... stop saying "sign it brahhh". That's not how it works!

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Satoshi on Ning didn't double space after periods. Fraud?

I don't remember if that was a possibility. I've used Ning for many reasons back in the days because Ning forums were very popular back in the days, up until they started charging forum owners for it.  I do remember Ning not giving admins that much access in the first place about a year or two later, you had to pay to keep your forums up or something of that nature.  Other than forum modifications, banning users, etc. I don't know if this account was controlled by an admin or not, but it could be possible.

The post url from today does match up to his original profile url posted back in 2009

Same url: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/m/profile?screenName=0ye0gncqg772o

We know it is the same account- so it has to be either A) it is really him speaking up or B) it was hacked or controlled by someone else.

but Satoshi is still around!? What the..how can he not feel tempted to spend his millions?

He's either incredibly wealthy or there's something we don't understand at play

even if he's just not interested in money you'd think he'd do something for good with it - donate it to a charity bit by bit?

I kinda figured he'd died in an accident or something, lol

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Satoshi on Ning didn't double space after periods. Fraud?

A signature could at least prove Satoshi is alive and the account is not hacked. But yes, it is hardly possible to proof one is NOT Satoshi, unless there is some special conditions (e.g. that person was in jail during 2008 to 2010)

Guys... long time lurker, had to make an account today!

just wanted to say..at this point, GPG, PGP, cryptography is not going to prove shit! All you can say is that Yes, this was signed with the proper key! Unless you were watching Dorian at his house and hitting f5 to see a new comment from Satoshi is being posted or not you wouldn't know! That is of course minus the possibility of him scripting it or just giving his key to someone else..... stop saying "sign it brahhh". That's not how it works!

It would be important to get Dorian off the hook, because in the USA at least we are now guilty until proven innocent and the government can force you to give up your private keys or throw you in a Supermax torture dungeon if you can't (even if you really can't!):

http://www.nestmann.com/could-the-government-force-you-to-tell-your-deepest-darkest-secrets

no its GMX dude

look here - http://www.gmx.com/

That's a good idea....does anyone have thermal imaging equipment so we can see when Dorian is sitting at his computer?

Simply having a few news outlets streaming live AV of Dorian standing outside (with tinfoil around his head to prevent mind executions!) while asking the "real" Satoshi to make a post would probably suffice. I feel like we're talking about some type of magic show at this point, though, trying to show "no tricks up my sleeve."

Pinellas, FL cops have 2850 of my Bitcoins on USB sticks in hiding!  due to me being a suspect in a child pornography investigation

but i'll remember this and not give out my wallet.dat passwords

Simply having a few news outlets streaming live AV of Dorian standing outside (with tinfoil around his head to prevent mind executions!) while asking the "real" Satoshi to make a post would probably suffice. I feel like we're talking about some type of magic show at this point, though, trying to show "no tricks up my sleeve."

Good to know that he's alive... but also bad to know that he's still active as that means 1,000,000 BTC are not gone forever...

1Ls76DpPJkG9hsEuRCER5f8YMd1ecGgPAe

:D

Reply by Russ Nelson 7 minutes ago

    .... or as RAH says ... "Poor bastard..."

Now on twitter...

https://twitter.com/jdaviescoates/status/441776575340507137

https://twitter.com/jdaviescoates/status/441776951078838272

Note: this guy is one of Satoshi's two friends on Ning, and yet he was offline for more than 1 year, well until today.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zs3cm/real_satoshi_nakamotos_friend_online_after_last/

doxxing is never good but that bitch really deserves imho.

And I won't buy that anyone is the real satoshi until I see a transfer from the genesis block to 1C54eeTaX68XNSJbUrmfJPwp7KT8VBGaHZ

preferably a sizable one

doxxing is never good but that bitch really deserves imho.

And I won't buy that anyone is the real satoshi until I see a transfer from the genesis block to 1C54eeTaX68XNSJbUrmfJPwp7KT8VBGaHZ

preferably a sizable one

doxxing is never good but that bitch really deserves imho.

And I won't buy that anyone is the real satoshi until I see a transfer from the genesis block to 1C54eeTaX68XNSJbUrmfJPwp7KT8VBGaHZ

preferably a sizable one

Now on twitter...

https://twitter.com/jdaviescoates/status/441776575340507137

https://twitter.com/jdaviescoates/status/441776951078838272

Note: this guy is one of Satoshi's two friends on Ning, and yet this guy was inactive for more than 1 year, well until today.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zs3cm/real_satoshi_nakamotos_friend_online_after_last/

http://pastebin.com/jK84UxYX

Well someone isn't to happy with this reporter...

So now Josef Davies-Coates has the real one's IP. great. NOT.

the guy is the owner of p2p foundation, he could have used satoshi account himself

And I won't buy that anyone is the real satoshi until I see a transfer from the genesis block to 1C54eeTaX68XNSJbUrmfJPwp7KT8VBGaHZ

So now Josef Davies-Coates has the real one's IP. great. NOT.

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Satoshi on Ning didn't double space after periods. Fraud?

You will be waiting a long time.  The genesis block is unspendable due to a bug in the early client (which is continued in all future clients to avoid the potential for a hard fork).

Forgive my ignorance but is it possible to fake the date a key was signed?  


sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>


http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 (http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1)

Dorian's key was sel-signed in 2008.  So if dates are legit he's been on radar for quite some time.  Possible Satoshi picked him in advance to model his fake profile on?

the guy is the owner of p2p foundation, he could have used satoshi account himself

So now Josef Davies-Coates has the real one's IP. great. NOT.

Who are these guys in the list?

doxxers get doxxed

You will be waiting a long time.  The genesis block is unspendable due to a bug in the early client (which is continued in all future clients to avoid the potential for a hard fork).

Does that mean satoshi can't spend his 1 million bitcoins that he has?

This is awesome if it is indeed Satoshi, which I am inclined to believe.

Since you might be reading this Satoshi, maybe you can sign something in the future. Send a coin to a new wallet and sign a message with it for us this will help quickly qwell fears.

Does that mean satoshi can't spend his 1 million bitcoins that he has?

No I think from my understanding block 1 and on are okay.

He can spend all of those minus the 50 in the first block. Small price to pay, eh?

Why cant Satoshi make a post from this profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3) ?

IF the government ever gets a majority of coins than bitcoin would fail, guys, correct me if I am wrong.

He probably could.

he replied again! This is exciting: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

he replied again! This is exciting: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

Yeah, just ask him.  I'm sure he's following this thread with much amusement.

Are you that fcking retarded?

He did not make any new post. Fcking idiot

The account is locked :/
theymos why!?!

Are you that fcking retarded?

He did not make any new post. Fcking idiot

No he didn't. That was someone else responding to the first post.

yes. maybe the one who replied again is a shidoshi.

http://www.monologuedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/kenneth-siu-victor-bloodsport-150x150.gif

What's the difference if Bruce Springsteen is satoshi?

Damn, just finished reading the full Newsweek article, then checked out some of the new AP interview with Dorian and now this.
I have no idea what to think anymore.
What the hell is going on?

Other than the "mystery" , does it really matter if we know who Satoshi is?  Bitcoin's future is not dependent on this information.  Personally, I'd like to see it remain a mystery! 8)

It doesn't seem odd at all.  He clearly doesn't want bad things to happen to Dorian, considering the shit storm that's hit him this week.  Good move.

woot...also
http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x773761647B536415

Satoshi is fake
Satoshi is real
Satoshi commented on fake
Satoshi account hacked
It is a tricky one

adds the diagram from the thread
https://i.imgur.com/RrI0j9Y.png

Love the diagram.... seems pretty obvious when put like that.  Always go with simple solution!

How long until someone launches DorianCoin?

But would't that be alleging that there was a conspiracy at newsweek to publish a crappy article?

Other than the "mystery" , does it really matter if we know who Satoshi is?  Bitcoin's future is not dependent on this information.  Personally, I'd like to see it remain a mystery! 8)

It was already on reddit, posted by /u/l0gz a few minutes before I posted it here.  I wanted to check to see if bitcointalk had any more info but was surprised that no one had seen it yet.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zrshb/real_satoshi_nakamoto_denies_being_dorian_nakamoto/

"The greatest freedom is the freedom not to get involved." - Yang Wenli (Legend of the Galactic Heroes).

Well think about it. If you were to announce yourself, you would just put a big target on your head. What's to stop someone from kidnapping your loved ones and demanding a payment in return for their safety? If you were to sell, you would crash the market and undermine people's confidence in your invention.

No doubt Satoshi kept his identity secret not for fear of law enforcement, but out of concern for his personal safety and protecting his fortune.

As a 20 year old, no. With the rate modern medicine is advancing, I think being old in 2063 won't be nearly as bad as it is now. I also want to stick around as long as possible to see all the cool things we invent.

A good store of value? Seriously? One could invest $100K into Bitcoin right now and have no idea if they'll be a millionaire in 6 months or wipe out half of their investment. Gold and silver are commodities, Bitcoin is a currency.

Keep in mind that even if you don't have a Facebook account, there's a high probability your "face" is still on Facebook, through photos your friends and family have uploaded to Facebook owned websites. Combine that with sufficient improvements in facial recognition software and we're not too far off Facebook crawling other social networks trying to put a name to the face.

Don't think about it. I've reached a point where I'll mix the two types of English together unless I make an conscious effort to avoid it. For example, I'll use "color" in the same sentence as "recognise".

These people aren't storming your house with the goal of killing you. When you escalate the situation with firearms, the cops are going to go into "shoot to kill" mode, which ends with you coming out of your house in a body bag. So yes, you should sit there and take it, if you care about your loved ones making it out of that situation alive.

Forgive my ignorance but is it possible to fake the date a key was signed? 


sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>


http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1 (http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1)

Dorian's key was sel-signed in 2008.  So if dates are legit he's been on radar for quite some time.  Possible Satoshi picked him in advance to model his fake profile on?

I formally announce I am not SATOSHI ;)

Love the diagram.... seems pretty obvious when put like that.  Always go with simple solution!

Does anyone know what type of software made the chart?

I would really like the site admin to chime in here.

I formally announce I am not SATOSHI ;)

Does anyone know what type of software made the chart?

Gentlemen its time we recite a prayer Hallelujah

who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

What if Dorians middle name is Satoshi?

who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

what if dorian nakamoto, who is the real satoshi nakamoto, posted 'i am not dorian' to troll that reporter for shits and giggles?

it's not hacked account. why do you think it was hacked right after "I want my free lunch" came about and never before since 2011?

Remember the buttcoin guys who hacked Bitcointalk back in the day? Yeah, so.. they kinda have Satoshi's bitcointalk password, which may have been re-used elsewhere.

his body language and facial expression has guilty written all over it.

guilty of what?

guilty of what?

Okay, if you have created the world's most financial innovation and you want to hide your identity forever because you can get killed by the all bankers and governments, would you use your real name? Hm... No. So forget about that poor old guy. Hope he has enjoyed his 15-minutes-of-fame on earth.

About Satoshi posting on P2P foundation, of course he's alive and very excited about all the news coming from his invention. In a very near future he'll give another sign of life. Just wait and see  :P

You think Satoshi would use the same password? That would be illogical too.

why even bother to give sign of life when someone holds good amount of btc and can njoy their life without giving a fck about what happening in world.

The guy who keeps hacking us is a major troll, so this would fit his MO.

Agreed, guilty of being the creator of Bitcoin.

Agreed, guilty of being the creator of Bitcoin.

Exciting day. I wish I could read the news 1 week from now.  ;D

I think I have to agree with a comment on the youtube vid of the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRq7e8GMII

"That's not me, I never communicated with bitcoins." Well, that's all the proof we need.

I think I have to agree with a comment on the youtube vid of the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oRq7e8GMII

"That's not me, I never communicated with bitcoins." Well, that's all the proof we need.

OK guys, I think this is authentic and this is why.

I just created a new ning account and I did some test to see whether an admin could fake a reply from one of the website's users and there is no way to do this.

An admin can't impersonate a user.
An admin can't reset a user's password.
An admin can delete an account, but this deletes also the content posted by that account (and the admin has no way to avoid this).
An admin can suspend an account and keep the content. At that point another user can create an account with the same profile name but the URL of the profile must be different from the suspended account.

I am happy to do more tests if you want.

Very interesting the user  l0gz (http://"http://www.reddit.com/user/l0gz") on reddit...he was able to spot Satoshi's post only 9 minutes after it was posted (ummm...). This seems to indicate that he is the author of the post (hacking into Satoshi's account or not). This user likes to post in reddit about Anime, bitcoin, Unix,...his style sounds familiar to me (impeccably academic...as Satoshi's)...Let's have a look at some of his posts...what do you think?  ;D




(Holy shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)





(!!!!)

"The greatest freedom is the freedom not to get involved." - Yang Wenli (Legend of the Galactic Heroes).

Resident of California

I KNEW I WAS RIGHT!
eat shit seriouscoin.

"Resident of California" proves nothing. That PGP key was created yesterday, it's a fake/prank.

How does this work out if you are the dba son?

He appears t0o stressed with whole incidents..! poor old man ..!

Satoshi,

will you marry me?    :D :D :D

Any thoughts?

Am I the only one that can see these quotes in Satoshi's mouth?

In particular...

Godfather Satoshi: please give us a new sign!

what if dorian nakamoto, who is the real satoshi nakamoto, posted 'i am not dorian' to troll that reporter for shits and giggles?

Satoshi,

will you marry me?    :D :D :D

i actually think this is correct.

i actually think this is correct.

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30            
    Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

uid Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig   61B3DB0C 1995-09-16 __________ __________ Dade Murphy (Crash Override) <zerocool@dev.null>
sig  sig   5C5BF7A4 2001-03-23 __________ __________ John Titor
sig  sig3  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ [selfsig]
sig  sig   E2513C30 2009-01-03 __________ __________ Bitcoin Jesus
sig  sig   C40AC6B9 2009-01-03 __________ __________ Dustin D. Trammell <dtrammell@dustintrammell.com>
sig  sig   9F8F1989 2009-04-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   04143362 2011-11-01 __________ __________ lzsaver <lzsaver@gmail.com>
sig  sig   DAB591E7 2013-03-27 __________ __________ theymos <theymos+pgp@mm.st>
sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>   <------- WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
sig  sig   F2E50027 2013-04-19 __________ __________ Antony Bailey <support@antonybailey.net>
sig  sig   2346C9A6 2013-05-10 __________ __________ Wladimir J. van der Laan <laanwj@gmail.com>
sig  sig   FFDB1CCC 2013-07-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   F91975FE 2013-09-20 __________ __________ Cubaguy <cubaguy@gmail.com>
sig  sig   7471C2D0 2013-09-21 __________ __________ Harald Schilly <harald.schilly@gmail.com>
sig  sig1  67E4FA04 2013-10-12 __________ __________ Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
sig  sig   7B536415 2014-03-06 __________ __________ Satoshi Nakamoto (Resident of California) <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig   415AF4A3 2014-03-07 __________ __________ William Casarin <bill@casarin.me>

sub  2048g/D6AAA69F 2008-10-30            
sig sbind  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ []

Search results for '0x18c09e865ec948a1'

Type bits/keyID     cr. time   exp time   key expir

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30            
    Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

uid Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig3  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ [selfsig]
sig  sig   04143362 2011-11-01 __________ __________ lzsaver <lzsaver@gmail.com>
sig  sig   DAB591E7 2013-03-27 __________ __________ theymos <theymos+pgp@mm.st>
sig  sig   F2E50027 2013-04-19 __________ __________ Antony Bailey <support@antonybailey.net>
sig  sig   2346C9A6 2013-05-10 __________ __________ Wladimir J. van der Laan <laanwj@gmail.com>
sig  sig   FFDB1CCC 2013-07-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   F91975FE 2013-09-20 __________ __________ Cubaguy <cubaguy@gmail.com>
sig  sig   7471C2D0 2013-09-21 __________ __________ Harald Schilly <harald.schilly@gmail.com>
sig  sig1  67E4FA04 2013-10-12 __________ __________ Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
sig  sig   7B536415 2014-03-06 __________ __________ Satoshi Nakamoto (Resident of California) <satoshin@gmx.com>

sub  2048g/D6AAA69F 2008-10-30            
sig sbind  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ []

http://sks.pkqs.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30           
    Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

uid Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig   61B3DB0C 1995-09-16 __________ __________ Dade Murphy (Crash Override) <zerocool@dev.null>
sig  sig   5C5BF7A4 2001-03-23 __________ __________ John Titor
sig  sig3  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ [selfsig]
sig  sig   E2513C30 2009-01-03 __________ __________ Bitcoin Jesus
sig  sig   C40AC6B9 2009-01-03 __________ __________ Dustin D. Trammell <dtrammell@dustintrammell.com>
sig  sig   9F8F1989 2009-04-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   04143362 2011-11-01 __________ __________ lzsaver <lzsaver@gmail.com>
sig  sig   DAB591E7 2013-03-27 __________ __________ theymos <theymos+pgp@mm.st>
sig  sig   7480B161 2013-04-01 __________ __________ Dorian S Nakamoto <mtn_sssh@hotmail.com>   <------- WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
sig  sig   F2E50027 2013-04-19 __________ __________ Antony Bailey <support@antonybailey.net>
sig  sig   2346C9A6 2013-05-10 __________ __________ Wladimir J. van der Laan <laanwj@gmail.com>
sig  sig   FFDB1CCC 2013-07-01 __________ __________ []
sig  sig   F91975FE 2013-09-20 __________ __________ Cubaguy <cubaguy@gmail.com>
sig  sig   7471C2D0 2013-09-21 __________ __________ Harald Schilly <harald.schilly@gmail.com>
sig  sig1  67E4FA04 2013-10-12 __________ __________ Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
sig  sig   7B536415 2014-03-06 __________ __________ Satoshi Nakamoto (Resident of California) <satoshin@gmx.com>
sig  sig   415AF4A3 2014-03-07 __________ __________ William Casarin <bill@casarin.me>

sub  2048g/D6AAA69F 2008-10-30           
sig sbind  5EC948A1 2008-10-30 __________ __________ []

Why not send a signed message instead, removing any doubt?

Dorian S. Nakamoto would have a very good reason for denial though. IRS.

Best reply on reddit..lol

"Newsweek should have waited at least three confirmations before publishing their story. "

He's accused and has no way to deny it.

Again, your "Leah McGrath Goodman" method does not prove anything besides your (legitimate) interest in knowing who's Satoshi.

Go watch the movie "The last temptation of Christ" if you han't seen it yet.

satoshi is galvin andresen

I have no words. It is impossible but looks legit. I am confused what to think about it

Anyone can create a key with any name and email address they wish. They can then sign any other key, with any date they choose, and upload it to a keyserv without the knowledge of the original keyholder. I can create a key right now for "Our Lord Yeezus" and sign Satoshi's key.

Do we know whether this was a hack or not?

Why not send a signed message instead, removing any doubt?

i dont get it. how does that help? if dorian is satoshi and sends out the message, you know that he could just be plainly denying right?? what weight does that carry? whos going to believe him?

no, sorry

Seems odd. Maybe the account was hacked, or fake? Why not sign a message?

i pointed this out earlier but i wasn't exactly clear about what it meant. see that john titor signature with the date way in the past? that was just added and yes it means that people are fooling around and trying to confuse others.

oh shit.

I think Satoshi Nakamoto needs to remain a mystery, but not remain hidden.

He or she should take interviews, answer questions and be a public figure of bitcoin, but not reveal who they are. This would not only benefit them in terms of keeping anonymous, but will cure all the questions people have about Bitcoin.

Plus our founder of everything we have grown to do will be back and kickin!

Heres another idea......MAYBE Satoshi Nakamoto is actually a AI within the internet!

His real name is Nick

Does he have a son named Jr?

I feel like it's Bullish as it can possibly be...

It means he's been here the whole time with the opportunity to sell at any point but hasn't sold a single Satoshi. It means the value is soooo much higher...

It re-enforces the goal. This is a global currency; Satoshi won't start to sell until it's saturated the global economy.

Because that would remove any doubt.

+1

This story seems to have unfolded in the best way possible.  "Satoshi's" P2P post along with Dorian's AP interview will take attention and suspicion away from Dorian, increasing his personal safety.  Meanwhile, the media will wonder if Satoshi really did make that post.  Since the message was not signed with the private key to the coinbase output in the genesis block, we won't know for sure either way. 

At the end of the day, we'll be back to square one.  We will not have learned any new facts, but we will have increased the attention and intrigue surrounding bitcoin. 

Well played everyone.  Well played. 

Unless Dorian is Satoshi :D

B.S., the man is a walking proof, what we don't have is a confession. But I don't blame him, would not want that kind of attention.

Yes that was the important part.  Not the fact that none of Satoshi's accounts have been active for more than two years and there was a post by one of them in the last thirty minutes.

Wow.  Satoshi has not communicated since before I even heard of Bitcoin.  Wow.  Just wow.

Godfather Satoshi: please give us a new sign!

and satoshi said...

http://www.clipartsfree.net/vector/large/shoe-sign_Vector_Clipart.png

I think Satoshi Nakamoto needs to remain a mystery, but not remain hidden.

He or she should take interviews, answer questions and be a public figure of bitcoin, but not reveal who they are. This would not only benefit them in terms of keeping anonymous, but will cure all the questions people have about Bitcoin.

Plus our founder of everything we have grown to do will be back and kickin!

Heres another idea......MAYBE Satoshi Nakamoto is actually a AI within the internet!

Still waiting for Ning to confirm or deny any suspicious activity on that account... They sure are taking their sweet time. :)

Why cant Satoshi make a post from this profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3) ?

They already said there wasn't any that they could notice.

Many people incorrectly assume that Satoshi is from England. He is actually from South Africa and his "real" name is Elon Musk. Due to his involvement with Paypal, Elon decided that it would be best to release Bitcoin anonymously.   

Thanks, John Titor.

In b4 Zerocoin launches and the price goes through the roof. :P

If the post is legit, it can mean that Satoshi is still with us.

I believe p2p message was Dorian himself, it felt desperate to me.

He's accused and has no way to deny it.

Let "The Hunt" begin:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02413/the-hunt_2413666b.jpg

I believe p2p message was Dorian himself, it felt desperate to me.

OMG. I totally forgot all about John and his time machine! sigh.......

Anyway.....Whats this about Elon? Is there like a conspiracy theory about this?

I thought it felt desperate too at first, don't ask me why. But I ultimately had to dismiss that feeling because of the fact that it was only 5 words.  8)

Sadly, it's more likely the account was hacked. Meanwhile, happy hunting.

i can't believe that no one considers Nick Szabo as a possible lead. would be a remarkable coincidence if he wasn't involved in some way.

You should believe, the connection was made and then later rejected long before those neurons of yours made that thought.

the timing was desperate, he had no choice but to do it. It's obvious satoshi stayed away from posting anything despite so many storms hitting bitcoin all these years. But when they came to his turf (Dorian) he ran out of options and used all his arsenal.

To me right now Dorian is Satoshi, there is enough evidence proving he is Satoshi and not enough that he is not. If more evidence arises that Dorian is not Satoshi, then i will change my mind.

Still waiting for Ning to confirm or deny any suspicious activity on that account... They sure are taking their sweet time. :)

You are retarded.

Good job Leah, now a bunch of retards will forever think an old asian man who can't even type english very well created Bitcoin.

derp

The guy is a highly educated programmer that has worked on classified military projects in the past. Why do you think he can't communicate via written English very well?

lol

I think you should probably review some of his professional writing before you decide that is the case.

http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto

"I am not Dorian Nakamoto."

https://i.imgur.com/6E1zPs4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wEjCjtT.png

I saw this posted by /u/l0gz on reddit  a few minutes before posting it here

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zrshb/real_satoshi_nakamoto_denies_being_dorian_nakamoto/

I was actually half convinced the guy with a confused face (the old guy they followed into the entrance of his house) was the actual real deal acting confused, but I guess I was wrong and the mistery must go on.

Newsweek should have waited at least three confirmations before publishing their story.

They couldn't. They were trying to exploit "headline malleability."

We have two negatives: Dorian Nakamoto denies he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Satoshi Nakamoto denies he is Dorian Nakamoto.

Inb4 Satoshi says "I am not Dr. Craig Steven Wright."

Wright brought this upon himself. I don't expect anything from Satoshi about this.

Inb4 Satoshi says "I am not Dr. Craig Steven Wright."

Too bad that Wright is deliberately trying to make it look like as if he is satoshi. For example in the YouTube video when he is asked who he is and what his involvement in Bitcoin is, Wright could have easily come up with a better answer if he wanted to hide the fact that he is satoshi (assuming he is in fact satoshi, which I doubt). He obviously knew well in advance that he would be speaking, and he could have just as easily said something to make it look like he is not satoshi (if that is what he wanted, against probably not the case).

His response rather indicate to me, someone who is undecided on the matter. He wants to say something, but something is holding him back. It could be one huge elaborate hoax or it could be the real deal. He is obviously VERY intelligent and very private, and he ticks most of the <Wright> boxes. Excuse the pun. ^hmf^

I think, we might just have the real deal here. 

If the real Satoshi wanted to go public, he would have no trouble providing solid proof. He also would have no reason to make passive aggressive comments and innuendo. This whole thing reaks of a sham.