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I would like to start that thread have nothing to do with requesting removal of my negative feedback.
I would like to ask, why people who help the community got tagged ?
I mean, yeah, i used different sources to show how people should stay safe.
I noted that its not self written thread and it was taken from sources.
You calling me "plagiarizer".
Okay, you may be right but if the plagiarism is for something good what's the bad here ?
I didn't lie no one? I didn't do anything wrong ?
All i wanted is to help people with more information from different sources to stay safe ?
If i deserve ban, moderator should handle it.
But why everyone ruing the reputation of someone who try to help other people and also always using escrow ?
I don't get the idea to be bad to everyone just for mistake which didn't harm no one...
People with "powers" should help other members not just randomly point them with the "bad" finger and put them bad names.
All my intentions of this thread was only to help people with information and i never mislead anyone that thread was self written and i stated it was taken from different sources.
Also there was no such thread existing on bitcointalk and i decided to help people with information.
If i deserve ban for my mistake, i will take it with proud that i tried to help people with information but i get punished for that.
But getting tagged for things like this is absurd.
I've done many and many deals here and never had single problem, always used escrow and never mislead with anything anyone.
Tags should be for bad people, not for people trying to make the things better around.

The Pharmacist feel free to check my post activity or ask MinerJones for me.
I am honest buyer and i never did anything wrong around.
Just for a simple mistake, you should not judge people and ruin everything for them.
People learn from their mistakes and move on.
That's what im going to do if i deserve some time ban for the help i was trying to provide to people who don't know that information.
If you think that i have any other intentions than helping people with that thread, i can send my merit to anyone you wish, because i don't care about any ranks, merits or benefits.
Im here to do honest business and to help people.
If im doing wrong by helping people then i will never do it again.
I fully understand what plagiarism is.
I never used it for something wrong or bad and i did mistake.
Not everyone here have something else in mind than the thing he's doing (trying to help other people with information).
And once again, if i deserve ban for my mistake i will gladly take it, but this tag is really absurd.
Why i take it as absurd ? Because im proven legit to all people i've deal with and always used escrows for my deals.
Always suggested safe ways of doing everything around and never abused anything.
We all do mistakes and we should learn even the hard way of them.

Pharmacist, you should help us not judge us so hard.
Who are "us" ? Well the people who trying to make the things better for this community.
Even with plagiarism.
I didn't do that to harm/earn anything but only to help people with information.

I don't trust content thieves, hence the rating.  And you keep trying to justify your plagiarism by stating how helpful you were trying to be to the community.  You just don't get it.  You could have posted anything you wanted from helpful internet articles, and the only thing you needed to do was to give credit to the original source--and you didn't.  You passed off all that "helpful" information as your own words.

Why are you not banned yet?

I will also like to say that i never lied.
I stated this information was taken from different sources.
I never mislead anyone.
All i wanted is to help people with some information.
Im pretty sure i violated the rules by doing that so i will take my responsibility for those actions.
But consider i did nothing wrong to people but only trying to help them, i don't deserve to be tagged for something like that.

I'm not content thief, i am person who found different ways to show people how to stay safe and not being scammed around.
I didn't pass that helpful information as my own words because i clearly stated on the first page before everything was written on it that it was taken from other sources.
And just to let you know, not the all information on it was taken from somewhere else.
I write a lot from it by my own and i edit it for the bitcointalk users and not for those which was originally addressed to.
There is still people around like me who trying to help other people just like that.
Even that i violate bitcointalk rule which i don't deny, i still did the right thing to provide helpful information so people can stay safe.
Why i am not banned? I don't know i am not mod.
But i also self reported my thread.

Just to let you know, i do help the community everyday and you can see that by all my reports here -> http://prntscr.com/lemg4w
Im not a bad person, i just did mistake, and you judge me like i am some scammer or bad person :D

Also your feedback sounds like i am some kind of bad person or someone who is doing something wrong...
Lol i just did mistake to violate bitcointalk rule and i will take the responsibility for it.
But why you trying to make me look bad when i am not ?
Why you are in the "default trust" ?? Not to help people but only to judge them ?
Alright, i know the thing i did violate the rules and im really sorry for it, but your acts against me are like i am some kind of criminal or someone who have bad intentions.
I do realize i did the things wrong but you doing the things wrong also.
Instead of judge people hard, try to help them out with information.
Instead of judging me hard for making mistake, help me and teach me...

If so why you removed the post?

Plagiarism is highly restricted according to forum rule. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg7955645#msg7955645)

You could do that by inserting quote. If you quoted then it can be considered helping instead of plagiarism.

It may happen. No one know, when it will happen.

I feel if i did something wrong i should take what i deserve for my mistake.
But your tag makes me look like i am some kind of bad person, scammer or criminal which is not true.
If i deserve 1-3-6 months ban for that i will gladly take it.
But i do not agree i should have the look of bad person because of that kind of mistake.
All my intentions was to help people !
If you think i did that to earn something, just let me know how to send or erase all my merits :) I don't care about any benefits believe me.
I am here to buy and sell stuff and to help people.
But from now on i will never help anyone but only doing my deals thru minerjones

1.
I removed the post because i did something wrong and i realized it.
I can put that post again if you like i have no problem, but seems like i did something wrong.

2. Im really sorry for violating bitcointalk rules by doing that and i will be more than happy to take the responsibility about my actions and will take my ban for some time.

3. I can't quote offsite things. This information was not in bitcointalk to quote it on my thread. It was taken offsite from different sources which i clearly stated on my thread.

I have nothing to hide and by helping people staying safe and not being scammed, i was felling super comfortable opening this thread.
I will repeat myself once again, seems like i did something wrong and i will gladly take my ban.
But being tagged like a scammer or someone doing shady things around is not acceptable.

I will share my opinion why i don't deserve red trust tag.

1. Yes i did violate bitcointalk rule without knowing that so i deserve somekind of punishment.
2. My thread didn't harm anyone and has nothing to do with something that can harm anyone around but only help them with information.
3. Red trust tags should be for people who did something which will harm the community or other people.
4. I never ever did anything wrong to no one on the forum, never abused, lied, scammed but did only mistakes which should be punished by Moderator.
5. With that red trust i look like i am bad person who harm, steal, lie people which is not true ( everyone can track my post history and my trades to see i am honest person)
6. I respect everyone around and i also think that if someone do mistake without harming no one, he should be learned how to do the things right and not do mistakes to violate rules.
In first place we are humans and we all do mistakes, thanks god my mistakes didn't harm no one and was not able to harm but only to help people with information.
7. I'm not innocent about violating bitcointalk rules because that's true ! I did violate them without knowing and im really sorry about it and i will take the punishment.
But being tagged like some criminal,scammer or liar is more than absurd...
8. I never said that it was full hand written by me and i clearly stated the information was taken from different sources.
Not in last place i would like to say that some of the information was not taken from anywhere but written by myself.
So if that can be called plagiarized its not fully plagiarized but partly. Which does not make me innocent at all.

You don't feel taking someone else's work without paying for it doesn't harm the community?  It makes other people less likely to create original content.

This "work" was created years ago off-site.
If i can find the creators i will gladly pay them to use their knowledge how people can stay safe and not being scammed.
I will be more than happy paying them for their offsite guides to use them here to make people feel more safe for their trades.
This guide was posted for fist time by me here, and if there was someone posted it before me, feel free to msg me with your price for posting it, i have no problem paying for that.

I got red trust twice, one from scammer who I exposed, another one from guy who posted it while his incomming transaction was processing. Didn't get them removed, don't think you will since you broke the rules and I never did.

Rules violations should be punished by Moderator not by default trust people who have powers to make your profile looks like you are bad person or scammer.
All i did wrong is to violate bitcointalk rule which i didn't know but i fully understand now and i will gladly take my punishment such as some time ban.
But someone to tag my profile like i am person who is lying, scamming or doing anything bad is not acceptable...
In mind to help people stay safe, use escrow and giving him options to always be safe and helping the community, i don't feel i deserve red trust.
Yes i do deserve punishment but from Moderator based on the bitcointalk rules.
I still don't understand why i got red trust for trying to help people ?
Yes i did plagiarism and yes i am so sorry doing it without knowing its not allowed to use off-site guides to help people around.
I didn't make anyone lose time or money or anything by reading my thread and i did not harm anyone.
I always advice using escrow and in 99.99% of my trades i used escrow.
You can't judge some person just for a simple mistakes lol.

*I fully respect "The Pharmacist" and his opinions and decisions but this time i don't feel that right.
People should be red tagged for doing wrong things to people or the community.
That kind of mistakes and violates of rules should be punished by Moderator if he wants to.
I am not a bad person and i did nothing wrong to the community to be tagged like all the scammers being tagged.

If you did plagiarism it is not three or six months,your ban will be permanent,if you are ready to accept pemaban means your account will be no use after that.

If you want to buy and sell things you can just use this account as well,your trust rating is not for scam so it will not affect your trades anyway.

And who are you again ?
People do mistakes.
This "plagiarism" was edited and managed to be used on this forum with my words and adds from my side.
This "plagiarism" was created to help and protect people.
Mod will decide how to act.
And for sure i will use my account to trade and buy stuff, who else consider i have just my account lol.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, doesn't matter post how useful is. It's against of forum rules. If you haven't read rules then how you believe your post will help others? You have no right copy paste or spinning content from others website even you mention. You are allow to use quote only specific part for reference if necessary. Otherwise it will be consider plagiarism. On the other hand, you made post on meta and again post on reputation with same link to invite peoples for read your post. Do you think its right ? Or forum peoples is blind that you have to invite again. Its not right way to highlight yourself very fast. You have got red tag due to your mistake. I don't think you should open another thread for that. There is reference why are you got red tag. Although you deleted your main thread but there is Archived  (https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html)version.

@The Pharmacist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=487418), you should use archived version for tag anyone(IMO). Especially account seller/buyer. Sometimes they might delete post and will claim against you. Its safe for you archive evidence before you leave negative feedback.    

Every single guide for safety trading including escrow usage is helpful yeah.
My only mistake was to not put credits where the sources of the guides coming from.
Anyway once again it was noted this guide was made from several sources including personal knowledge.
Yes it is half plagiarism and i should be punished by MOD not tagged as scammer/liar or bad person.
Was trying to protect newbies and help people with information not to highlight myself.
As i stated 100 times so far, i have no interest of any ranks,merits and anything else.
If there is way to giveaway all my merits, let me know how to do it, i have no usage or care about any highlights,ranks or benefits but only trying to help newbies with information.
There was no such guide on this forum and everything was taken offsite and edited to be used on this site.
That's not plagiarism taken in-site but off-site to help bitcointalk newbies and nothing more.
My main thread is deleted to not be counted as permanent "plagiarism" but fixed after mistake was realized.
If i am allowed, i will gladly open the same thread once again because it was made to help people not to harm them.
I have nothing to hide, and i don't hide the fact that i created guide how people could be safe using escrow and safety tips to not being scammed.
I am proud for trying to help people with information which was not shared on this forum but off-site.
This plagiarism has nothing to do with the copy/paste shits from this site used again to this site.
This thread was edited not only copy/pasted by myself not from this forum but to help people on this forum.
Instead of making people who trying to help the community looking bad with those tags use them for the scammers and the people trying to harm the community.
My intentions was clear ! Only to help people with information for their own safety.

I never claim that i didn't create that kind of thread, actually i am proud for trying to help users around.
Who did i plagiarize ? Show me who ? Are they people in this site ? I don't think so!
If they are, feel free to show me proof with your old-dated post with the same guide with your price.
I will gladly pay you to use part of it to create new edited one to help people not being scammed.

*Those threads were free made ones and from different sources.
** They were not paid and created from people like me - People who like to help newbies with guides how to stay safe and not being scammed.
*** You calling plagiarism something taken off-site but never shown here? Well that plagiarism is good plagiarism !!! Taken from people who want to help to be used for help !!!
**** None of the original creators of those off-site guides didn't mention they can't be used on different places to help people!
***** Actually they will be proud if someone use them to protect and help people and will never be salty or bad against people who trying to help

****** You should realize the big difference between good and bad plagiarism, and that's only half plagiarism because i own this thread not by only copy/paste and never took anything from no one who posted on this website.
******* And yes, i'm feeling super happy to be able spreading super useful information for newbies how to stay safe, use escrow and stuff like that.

There isn't something as half plagiarism.
Check out this article https://ori.hhs.gov/plagiarism-0

'28 Guidelines at a Glance on Avoiding Plagiarism'

Guideline 1: An ethical writer ALWAYS acknowledges the contributions of others to his/her work.
Guideline 5: Whether we are paraphrasing or summarizing we must always identify the source of our information.

What you did was plagiarism because you didn't mentioned the source.
You didn't follow the forum rules.

I dont see the words scammer/liar or bad person in the negative trust:
This account will hopefully be banned, but in the off chance it doesn't, this member is a plagiarizer and doesn't even seem to understand what plagiarism is.

Okay then, consider my guide was not fully copy/pasted then how we should call it ? Not plagiarism ?
An ethical writer will always allow helpful guide to be used anywhere to help people everywhere.
Yes i did not follow the forum rules and im sorry for that, next time i will show the sources.
Im not saying he did called me scammer, i said my profile looks red like the scammers accounts look like.

Why this account isn't banned for plagiarism (http://archive.is/e27c1)?
All I can see here is Rambotnic trying to convince people that plagiarism isn't plagiarism.
I can only imagine OP driving car above speed limit and explaining to cop that he did't know anything about speed limit.

Did i plagiarize from this forum ? I don't think so.
I managed few off-topic guides in thru one.
Why should i be banned ? :D For trying to help people stay safe and use escrow ?

How you can contact driving car with fast speed with helping people to not being scammed and use escrow ? :D:D:D:D

Did you plagiarize from somewhere else?
For blatant plagiarism.
Actually, I compared ignoring traffic rules with ignoring forum rules.

Pretty much all your comments regarding plagiarism and how what you did was "half plagiarism"... prove that you really don't understand what it is. ::)

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Yes, you can... by using [ quote ] tags... like this:

Note how this is "quoted" from an offsite resource... and provides credit?

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So? It doesn't matter where or when the work was created... you copied it without crediting the source. That is, by definition, plagiarism.

Why do you seem to think that it needs to be paid for? you repeat over and over that you're willing to pay the original authors? ??? That isn't necessary... you just needed to give them credit! ::)

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It makes no difference where the content was taken from... it's still plagiarism.

So, you finally admit it was plagiarism...

It does not matter where the content came from, nor whom you took it from... and Darkstar_ already showed EXACTLY who you plagiarized in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg47599767#msg47599767)...

So?

No, it isn't... plagiarism is plagiarism... and it's bad.

Correct... but they still deserve credit. Which you didn't give...

YOU should realise that there is NO difference... because there is no such thing as "good" plagiarism. ::)

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Because you broke the rule regarding plagiarism... what exactly don't you understand about that? given that you "fully understand" plagiarism? ::)

I didn't steal the words of someone, those guides are old as the world and they protect and help people.
They were not stolen because they are free to use of anyone who like to spread the guide to help people.
Who i should provide credit to ? The unknown brave soldier not known on this website but helping other people?
I can't give them credit and i didn't not only because this website is unknown for them and they will never see it, but its also because those threads are spread all over the internet without anyone having problems helping people but just people here :D I don't get it :D People here don't like to help each other ? No matter i managed few threads off-site which can't harm anyone but only help ?
I don't want this forum ranks, i dont want benefits, i dont want merit i don't want even "thanks" but being useful and helpful to the newbies.
Call it plagiarism, call it "stealing of content" or "thread" but all my intentions was to help people only.
If you blame me for helping people no matter what, alright no problem with that.
If that plagiarism which can only help people and nothing more is punishable alright.
But trying to make me look like i have any benefit or i will win something by doing this is more than laughable....
And alright i did the wrong thing trying to help people that's already known.
I can make just the same thread by giving the unknown fighting scammer soldier if that will help the case no problem at all.
Even i stated they were taken from different sources and never said it was self written :)
If those rules don't give me right to help people with information how to stay safe, not being scammed and to use escrow.... What a rules :D

Plagiarism -> http://prntscr.com/letg7p  ( https://www.plagiarism.org/article/what-is-plagiarism )
The fact is that i never lying about the thread i open and i stated at first place this guide was created from different sources.
I never ever said it was self created.
Based on that site i fully understand what plagiarism is.

*to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own (those words were not stolen but present to this community as part of  guide how to trade safety and protect yourself from being scammed)

*to use (another's production) without crediting the source ( well i didn't used someone production but his thread to edit it and manage it to be for this forum. it was said the guide is mixed from different sources, and giving credit to "john" "mike" and "sebastian" means actually nothing because no one knows them here. also if i credit them by links to another website, that can be called  advertisement to another forum from my side which i don't want to do. and i don't think it is allowed)

*to commit literary theft (there is nothing literary here. its only mixed guides edited by myself not only copy/pasted but also with information included only by myself and managed by myself to be useful on this webite. before my edit, this guides would be useless here)

*to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source. (As my thread stating, its taken from different sources. I made self recognition that those things are not made by me but taken from different sources. I never stated the idea/product is mine or its new.

So guys, im not sure how did i plagiarism but if that still can be count as one, i did it only for the good of the new members and of the community.

Everyone can read the guide here -> https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html

I don't think it can be judged as something which can harm anyone around but only help.
With permission of Moderator, i will open this guide again for all newbies who need help with that kind of information and give credit to their off-site creators no matter their names won't ring a bell to anyone reading it.
If i stated this is self made but not mixed from different sources guide, then i should be really guilty for everything you saying.
But consider im trying to help, i don't feel guilty at all.
Thanks god you can't feel guilty for doing the right thing :) Helping people with information.
The only reason i highlight this thread yesterday was only to be seen from more people who can have use of it.
I received 1 merit from it, and i agree with pleasure to be removed from my account.
I even contacted the person who send me it with questions how i can return it.

Once again, i don't need your ranks, i don't need your merits and everything you care and think everyone care around.
All i wanted is to help people with information. Even if i saved one person from being scammed, that won't be a time waste!
If you see someone breaking rule without knowing but in the same time trying to help other, instead of attacking him, show him the right path.
Being aggressive and not respectful to people is absurd.
We are not animals... We still can communicate between each other normal and positive.

* Not in last place, that kind of threads should be pinned. More newbies see how safe trade should be going, less scams we will see around.
I will be more than happy see more and more newbies how the things should be going using escrow and doing the right things step by step to prevent being scammed.
There is still people like me who think helping people is not time waste.
There is still people like me who like to help to this community but not earn any benefits suck as ranks and other virtual goodies on your profile.
I don't mind staying with newbie or Jr.Member rank. Actually it is better for me to not rank up because as lower rank member i will show everyone including newbies, you can still remain legit, doing the things right and you don't need any ranks for doing the right things.

I do not deserve this red tag which makes my profile look like i am bad person.

Repeating the same thing again and again will not help you so just live with it until your account will get permaban for plagiarism.

Keep yelling will make other DT members to leave same negative feedback on you,it will make the condition worse.

That is EXACTLY what you did... you basically did a copy/paste. A bit of editing doesn't change that.


Yes... the original author(s) of the works that you copy/pasted.


Yes... you can... it's REALLY easy... let me demonstrate:

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See how easy that was? You just needed to put in 5 links... and none of this would have been necessary.

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Yes... thread(s) which were PRODUCED by other people... ::)


Giving credit to those people is EXACTLY what you should have done... If I quote a news article from the "Busytown Bugle", written by "John C. Reporter"... are you suggesting that there is no need to give him credit because no one on this forum knows them? ??? ::)

Also, citing sources is NOT "advertising" another forum... people link to external articles and forums all the time. As long as it is relevant, and isn't just an attempt to try and drive traffic to some other site, it's fine.


It has now been explained in GREAT detail... by several people. I guess if you don't understand why what you did is wrong, you never will.

Final thoughts:
- Just because you did it for "good" reasons (and yes, trying to educate newbies is a "Good Thing"™)... that does NOT make it OK to not cite sources.
- You should ALWAYS cite (and preferably link to) your sources if you are copy/pasting something that was written by other people from different posts/forums/websites, regardless of how "old" it is... or where it came from.

Ha ha the DT members are clearly hypocrats.
Showing you the forum rules and claiming its based on that.
Forum rules are also clearly saying buying accounts is allowed and still they give negativ trust not carrying what the forum rules says.

Biggest hypocrats ever.

And more important the negativ trusts says clearly : giving negativ trust to a scammer or somebody you highly belive is a scammer.And thats related for trading and nothing else.
And here you will be called a scammer for plagarism . LOL

Ask them where is your financial profit that they marked you as scammer

The queation is Thule, when are you going to return those 10,000 Quarks given to you in good faith?

Seems a tad harsh.

The guy put "I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."

So he is saying he found a few sources and compiled them into one to make a comprehensive guide?  that does not sounds like someone who is trying to claim this is his own work and take credit.

I would have just explained it would be best to bring the exact sources and quote them.

Give him another chance. Seems like he was trying to be helpful.

Looking at his post history he seems like a genuine trader on this site and not one trying to pump his merit or gain some bitcointalk cred.

I would personally consider giving him a pass that time.

Instead of attacking and tagging me for bullshits, people should help me with the information about the credits.
I had no problem adding credits to the original creators.
Well here in bitcointalk when you try to help you get this. :)
I'm forced to repeat that everything was just to help newbies with helpful information and nothing more.
People think here that everyone care about their merits and ranks :D
I care about merits and ranks here same as i care where my shits going after i dropped the water.....
But i do care to help people with useful information and help them to prevent being scammed.
No one actually care there is still people like me trying to be at least little bit helpful with anything i can.
No one care about the quality of my activity here.
I always used and will use escrow.
I always suggest people using escrow for their trades and with my trades.
Every single person who went first to me (there is few people) got suggested by me to use escrow for their own security and not just trust random people over internet (no matter i will never scam someone).
Being helpful and friendly here is like cancer.
If merits/ranks and benefits of this ranks means abuse of the system i don't need any of this.
At least i meet a really trusted person - minerjones.
Its always better to find one guy who you can trust with anything, than 1000 ass licking manipulators.

And still my account remain red for trying to help people... Looks like i am some kind of thief/scammer/liar...

Should we all search guidelines on google and share them here?

If it is helpful and you cite sources then feel free.

What useful things can you demonstrate you have done here other than report these kind of evil criminals posting guides so newbies don't get scammed.



Simply saying these come from multiple sources I have found on the net and compiled for ease of use seems to be a very unacceptable here. Fair enough but he has said he didn't realise and I think giving him a pass for good intentions would be best.

Which people have you been training and what kind of training are you giving them?

Ironically... one of the first things the OP had in their post was:

Which leads us to:



I think the fact that the OP hasn't been banned thus far, especially given the length of time that has passed since the original thread was "tagged", would tend to indicate that the mods are going to consider the lack of citation of external sources as an oversight on the part of the OP... as opposed to a deliberate attempt to pass the work off as their own.

Either way, hopefully the OP has learned what plagiarism is! ;)

Do you mean to say that it did not say above the guide when you read it :"I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."?

Was this added at a later date after it was flagged?

If so then that puts a different light on it but considering his post history which indicates he generally is advocating safe trade practises I would thing some would consider a ban quite heavy handed.

When he added this "I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."

that essentially does mean he is not claiming this as his own work.

However, yes this would be considered a bit of a lazy reference.

As I say.

Coupled with

No obvious personal gain

A post history demonstrating he is generally warning noobs and others to be careful and generally seems like a decent person.

Let's delete that neg trust - he seems like a trader where it could cost him more than he deserves.

Full credits to authors from now on and we're all back on track.

I think some rules can be coupled with sensible human intervention.

Yeah breaking the speed limit does have mitigating circumstances like being forced at gunpoint in a hijacked car to out run the cops. This one is more like doing 41 in a 40 limit trying to take a stranger to hospital who you found lying in the road suffering from being beaten unconscious and robbed.

If i was a noob and had read the compilation of guides he had put together and posted I would be grateful. The fact he said he found them from a few difference sources may encourage me to google them.

As for suggesting he should be banned for this ?

If they will be helpful to the newbies to prevent being scammed i don't see reason why ?
If we helping the community why not ?

No it was created with note that i take this from different sources

In which case you are not passing the work as your own.

I am not sure why you are accused of trying to do so.

I suspect the person did not read this note at the top of your post.

There is no case for a ban here at all.

I would expect you should have the neg trust removed too once this is cleared up. Having read some of your post history through quickly you seem like you often tried to warn new people on safe ways to trade. The fact you now have a neg trust saying use caution to trade with seems to me unfair.

Better to just use full references if you can next time.

This to me shows there needs to be an strict set of criteria for leaving neg trust.

Some person once called me a scammer and left me negative trust because I did not fight for them against a dev that had not come through with his project as promised. Just because I did previously spend hours fighting some of the very largest scams but didn't fight the one that effected him.

Well i hope you use the right place to train them.
I use the right combinate guides edited and merged for usage on this forum to help newbies with information on this forum.
And no matter with 1 or 200 threads, if i save even 1 person from being scammed, my mission will be completed.
Its sad to seed DT members are not so interested to help people around.
*For the record i reported myself and i even pmed Theymos about this.

Bring full sources or you could get banned. Actually don't make any mistakes at all when doing references or banned.

I personally would take several factors into consideration. In his case I may suggest to him that it could get him flagged if the references were not credited correctly. Although the board rules lay out no exact rules for attributing work to others precisely do they? It simply says do not pass the work off as your own. Is there a format given or is just the url enough?

There is no correct way to do this left handed only.

I have found using 2 hands (formed into fists) is the only way to get  satisfaction (Im female btw).  Passing things off as correct when they are merely a lazy and reprehensible method that is sure to leave one wanting is worthy of negative trust if not a ban if you ask me.

This time I will let it slide if you send me your address and demonstrate to me personally that you are fit to continue training people in this art.

If not then I think most would agree perma ban is the only answer here.

I don't think I went off topic with "Google, here I come!" and you missed my point, if admin allows this kind of behavior we will see bunch of shitposters running around forum with various articles taken from X-sites pretending they want to be helpful but all they really are doing is begging for merit without begging part. Is there any other reason why anyone would post "trading" thread in "meta", where most merit sources are, copying bunch of 11 years old articles with "disclaimer" without quotation and link to sources?
Yeah, I guess we can go full blind and act that this is not true  ::)

My opinion is this is copy/paste, and what TP said in second post.

edited  ::)

I can't consider my guide as shit posting because there was no such guide on this forum, and it was combinated from guides which help a lot people to prevent scamming.
I don't pretend to be helpful i am helpful.
I will repeat once again myself about the merits,ranks and benefits.
If you care about them and 99% people around, i am from those 1% who don't give a fuck about any merits, any ranks or the things everyone "fight" around.
I did post my guide in two places because i didn't know where it will be seen by more people and be more helpful.
Not everyone here is fighting for merits and ranks buddy.

Trusting you are doing great, please regarding the trust  comment on ico, please i commented base on my personal experience, please dont judge me wrong , I beg you with the name of your deity please kindly review your comment and rating .

Thanks 

@

marlboroza

LOL nobody cares about merit here except a few back slapping circle jerkers in meta and some noob spammers and sock puppets trying to spam icos all over the place. The OP falls into neither of those classifications.

The best devs with the best minds who have helped many people don't even have much merit. The guy that helped new people the most is not even posting anymore due to issues with a group of backslappers.

Most of these super merit accounts have never done anything of real note here not ever. They have not ever been first to stand up up to a big scam that was backed by huge amounts of established members nor delivered ground breaking technology. Those are the two things I look for when going through post history. I don't actually think I can find one major thing they have ever accomplished here.

 Who the hell would hang around meta for the majority of their posts. Developing these tools to see who is the best this and that according to gamed back slapping board metrics. What a waste of time. That is merit begging. Get out there on the main boards and help people or get out there and stop scamming ico bots and puppets. Stand up to obviously corrupt and distribution methods are that easy to game for the scammers that keep pushing them out there.

When I see large meta scores (in general)  and analyse them these are people who I remember coming here saying all sorts of stupid shit. One of the highest meta people on here and I used to row all the time over a specific project he stuck up for it for years ...then recognised it as the scam it was later on.  Many of these high merit tools have a strange moral compass too. Wanting to ban some poor dude because he was not specific enough about the sources he already said he took the articles from various sources.

How can you agree with a statement I have already demonstrated is incorrect ???

Must I spell this out for you again in larger font. He did not claim the work was his own as TP stated he attributed it to other reliable sources ............therefore he is simply saying he compiled it for easy of use.

After having said all of that I looked at your post history and see you spend a lot of time weeding out scams. So I am not putting you in with some of the others. I just think you are provably wrong to suggest a ban for this guy.

There are those that will always suck up to those the consider to have more power even when it is obvious they are wrong. Don't be one of them it makes you appear like a cuck.

Even i very often disagree with cryptohunter and we also had often a dispute in the past i have to fully agree with him here.
Btw cryptohunter can be considered as a core member on bitcointalk who really contributed and not like some DT punks who have lost connection to the real world.

Thanks for the kind words.

I am now looking at the trust ratings of various accounts.

TRUST really does need to be updated here because.

Red trust glowing next to your name where it says trade with caution - - btc risked? what about alt coin risked etc. This was obviously initially developed for traders to identify btc scammers years previously.

to many this would imply the person has actually scammed someone and they have lost financially as a direct result.

However, I was given negative trust rating because - - - I DID NOT FIGHT THE SCAM THAT SCAMMED HIM???  Now I know at one time I was fighting lots of scams but this is when there were not so many projects. No 1 person can fight every single scam.

Who left this neg??  A legend member??

The other turds leaving me negative are known and proven scammers because I tried to destroy their scams.

However DT trust members should have very strict and clear criteria for being able to leave negative trust and really things that do not effect people financially directly and deliberately should not get a trade with caution red mark.

They should get a have broken the board rules yellow score and for repeated flouting a temp ban then perma ban.

Some people on this board have turned into bullies actually over time. They were quite humble when they first came to this board.

It's okay to be heavy handed with full on scammers but with people that have displayed they are nice people generally helping others you can not be allowed to fuck them over hard for their first mistake. I'm not even sure in this guys case he has broken board rules. Are there strict guidelines for referencing available to follow. Is the url enough in all cases? what if that is suspect as the original source?

I would expect making it very clear these are not your own words is a good start as per the rules on here as far as I can see.





 

LOL.... calm down this is just an internet forum. Everything will be okay. You sound near the edge.

If you believe you have a case then make a thread and have it examined.

If you have been unjustly treated then it can be reversed. However if under the microscope you are found to be a scammer in anyway then I think asking for review could result in more serious consequences.

Choose wisely.

Still i like this negative rep to be removed from my profile because i did nothing else than trying to help the community with helpful information how to stay safe and use escrow.

Could I look at the post.

If he said he pulled it from other sources it is not the same as plagiarizing it.

Yeah his form was less then perfect but it he said is was not his work and he used other sources it is more of a case of imperfect crediting and not plagerizing.

So does someone have the post?

Since he was tagged someone should have saved the evidence .

I would like to read what he said.

That was the post -> https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html

Still waiting this to be resolved and my tag "trade with caution" to be removed.
I don't get the idea of that "trade with caution" tag of my profile?
People should trade with caution with me because i help them with guide how to stay safe and use escrow?
This is ridiculous...
Pharmacist, please, reconsider your decision and remove the negative feedback from my profile.

I don't think it is going to be removed until your account will be banned because TP's feedback on you looks much stronger about why he gave this to you.

Maybe those negative trust can be diluted when you have more positive feedbacks from DT members so better lock this thread now and continue to trade.

I'm not going to be banned. The reason is false and that's not plagiarism.
It's badly credited thread.
I clearly stated the guides its mixed and taken from different sources, i just didn't add which sources which i will in my next thread with same guide.
There is no "stronger" and "weak" feedback.
Everyone do mistakes, me, Pharmacist, you...
People should trade me with caution because i like to guide them thru safe trades and escrow ? :D Seems legit...
If that's the logic, everyone around who offer help, security and knowledge how to stay safe should be traded with caution!
That's huge crime to help and educate people about safety and secure trades!
Good will always win evil ! Truth will always win lies. No matter you, me or anyone is around... That's why we are all here and alive :) Because good and truth always win.

*Even if i get banned for that, if my guide helps even 1 person to prevent being scammed, my mission is completed :)

Don't repeats those words again and again,if you copied from some other source as well it will be called as plagiarism too.

Yes,it is a huge crime to help others with other's article. :D

A lot more smart and educated people than you explained what and how this is not plagiarism and just badly credited thread.
Don't play smart, that's not for you :)
Watch your own business and let the grown people consider something you don't have anything to do with.
Useless people like you who don't give a shit and doing nothing for this community should bypass threads like my guide and this one.
You don't care to help people, and u never will :)

Looks like the original thread Rambotnic posted that was the basis for the plagiarism report was deleted, because I can't view it anymore.  I'm assuming a mod deleted it, but I'm wondering why he wasn't banned for plagiarism.  I don't recall reading a post by a mod on this issue, and I'd like to know what the deal is.

Having said that, when I hand out red trust wrongly I usually get dissenting opinions by trusted members (DT or otherwise), and that's definitely not the case here.  Most of them saw what Rambotnic wrote as plagiarized content just like I did--and I wasn't even one of the people who reported it to the mods.  The feedback is completely justified IMO, though I'd still like to hear a mod's opinion on this.

My guide can be seen here -> https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html
I have no power to edit this archived thread.
I clearly stated it was taken from few sources.
"I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."
I never had bad intentions and never wanted to harm anyone.
Actually it is impossible my guide to harm anyone.

If i was doing the wrong thing, i would agree with every single bad opinion.
But consider i just made a little mistake by not crediting full i don't have to be judged like that.
Consider i don't care about any merits,ranks and everything, people like you from DT should help me with information what im doing wrong to fix it, so i could be able to help people around with information without violating the rules.

He clearly said at the top of his post

"I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."


So

1. are you saying that was not there when you looked at it

or

2. you are saying that it was there but still you believe he was trying to claim this work as his own?

I see no exact method of correctly referencing source in the rules.  Is it not enought to clearly say I found these guides on the net and provide them here for others to look at??

If you look at this post history he would appear to be very helpful to new traders over quite a long period.

Removing the red trust would seem the only fair thing to do.

There is no way that anyone would consider it fair he was going to get banned. That would be completely insane. There are  proven scammers on this board that are not banned and don't even have red trust.

They way he did it was very clearly not enough.  If you were writing a paper for school and used information from an academic journal, for instance, do you think it'd be sufficient to say "I found this in a journal, here you go"?  Nope, and even though bitcointalk doesn't have guidelines on source citation, it should be obvious that you need to (at the very least) reference where you're quoting material from.  The best way to do it IMO is provide a link and put the quoted text inside a quote box just as if you were quoting a bitcointalk post. 

I think your estimation of the helpfulness of his posts and your definition of "a long period" are vastly inflated.  He registered in March of this year and most of his posts are straight-up gibberish.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I'd like to hear from staff.

I would like to see that passion against the scammers which running ponzi schemes and illegal stuff around.
Just because i didn't credited them by the way you want to see it, that doesn't mean i didn't say its from few other sources.
If you want something to be done by some way, then tell theymos to make you admin, and make official bitcointalk rules because there is only un-official ones so far.
I see so many things which is not okay around and no one doing nothing about it.
I spend more than 12 hours reporting more than 200+ threads on the alt market with 96% accuracy and you telling me that i'm useless from the day i join this website?
Well actually i do help people, not only with reports, with questions to OP threads which was clearly scams and information by private messages, by i also suggest every single person to use escrow.
Once this is over, i will once again open the same guide but this time i will credit it by the way Staff tell me to do it.
I hope this time someone won't say "You are not allowed to advertise other forums" with the links to the guides.
Yes i am helpful to the community, without powers like yours for sure i'm less helpful than you but, if you using them like that, that makes it 1:0 for me.
With or without red tag i still help people around and doing trades.
Its just i don't feel comfortable to have "trade with caution" tag consider this "violation" has nothing to do with trades, and the "violation" it self show to people how to actually trade safety.
It makes no sense to make someone profile looks like he's scammer/bad person, consider im totally the inverse.
You just had more time on this forum to be more trusted than me.
But i have all the time to prove myself in future, and believe me, watching your attitude, and watching mine, i will surpass most people around.

You could write it with your own words based on your experience instead using different sources. That would be great topic.

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I will stick to my opinion that such topic's shouldn't be allowed for several reasons and also I would like to say that cryptohunter has good point. OP said content was taken from different sources, so maybe they really didn't know that they have to credit source.

No one would like how many times i was scammed to share my own experience :D I've been from the people who blindly trust unknowns over the internet and most of the time i was fucked :)
Instead of sharing my bad experience, i find those sources as really legitimate and they could really help people :)
Just next time i will credit fully the creators and not only mention they were collected from few sources.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time but DT trust comes with responsibility to make the right call. There is sometimes no need for opinion when it is there in black and white. No amount of staff can change observable fact.

You said and I quote

"You passed off all that "helpful" information as your own words."


This is observably incorrect.

You then said

"They way he did it was very clearly not enough.  If you were writing a paper for school and used information from an academic journal, for instance, do you think it'd be sufficient to say "I found this in a journal, here you go"? "

So you are now saying okay he did not claim it as his own but you do not believe that just sticking by rule 33 is enough (not claiming it as your own work) and you believe one should follow one of the academic bodies guides for citing a reference.

These are totally different claims and are actually mutually exclusive.

The only reasonable explanation for making 2 totally different and mutually exclusive claims is simply when someone reported it as plagiarism you just  missed his statement clearly saying at the top of his post stating "I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."

Having now seen this statement.. you have changed the charge  from claiming it as his own work to claiming it is other peoples work but not being specific enough.

These are totally different claims .

Even though as you say this would not satisfy any college to reference in that way you would not be said to be committing plagiarism. Your tutor would likely just give you a guide to follow the next time and you would receive no marks or credit.

For example

someone once said -- From error to error one discovers the entire truth


"From error to error, one discovers the entire truth.” Sigmund Freud (following perhaps some dating, and other info I can't locate right now)


The second will contribute to attaining extra marks the first will simply be ignored as insufficient detail. Neither will get you accused of taking the work for yourself or plagiarism and certainly neither will get your made a pariah or kicked from the course.

It's okay to make a mistake but digging heels in waiting for other DT or staff to say it's okay may work but is not the right course of action.

Your red trust statement of "This account will hopefully be banned, but in the off chance it doesn't, this member is a plagiarizer and doesn't even seem to understand what plagiarism is."

seems totally out of proportion to the alleged breaking of the rules - which to anyone taking the rules at face value seem to have been adhered to.

I don't see how staff can alter any of the observable events here and back up the desire to have him banned.

Bitcointalk is going down a dark path if a few people can start to push such hardline action.

I have nothing personal against you or any of the DT trust people really that i know of. I have never encountered an issue before with any of them.

Bitcointalk is a place which has displayed a very laissez faire approach over the years. It is sad now that financial gain has motivated the destruction of that approach working as well.

Incidentally, I had never really heard of nor paid attention to Default trust before. Where can I find a list of these DT members? how were they selected for such a responsibility?

Even the "rules" say unofficial?? how can one be banned from a forum if these are not the official rules. They are guides to be used as per common sense because official rules would need a lot more clarity or constant moderation by ONLY the person who runs the board. This is a separate issue I guess and not one we need to open now anyway.

I still hope Pharmacist will reconsider his decision and remove the negative feedback from my profile. From my side, next time i will credit the sources by names not by links to not advertise another forums.

I've seen this thread for the past days, so I'll add my 2 Satoshis.

The punishment for plagiarism is a permanent ban.

And yet, you said Read the forum rules!!! -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 (https://archive.fo/e27c1#selection-501.0-503.48) in the very post that got you a red tag. How can you claim not to know the rules, or how can you tell people they have to read the rules if you didn't?

You would probably have gotten away with your plagiarism if it wouldn't be such a massive problem (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0) on this forum. Because so many people (and bots) do it, even reported cases sometimes get away with it instead of getting banned.

I don't think it's helpful for Newbies at all. Adding [Must Read] (https://archive.fo/e27c1) to the title twice sounds spammy and the whole post was a large collection of mostly irrelevant text without a clear structure. No Newbie is going to read that. If you want an example of a structured helpful post, look here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0).

I'm pretty sure DarkStar_ The Pharmacist is willing to remove it once you're banned for plagiarism.
(my mistake, DarkStar_ reported the plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg47599767#msg47599767))

Really? Then why did you say this 3 days later:

So you're saying we if all spam bots add "this post was taken from sources around the internet" to all their posts, nobody can ever be banned for plagiarism again? I disagree.

Another person not reading the thread sadly...

1. I was thinking that i violate rules, but after clearly reading cryptohunter statements and my posts, now im sure that i didn't violate the rules but badly credited the sources.
Also there is no official rules but i also respect the not official ones.

2. I'm not like the other people and i'm not bot also :) Why i am not like other people? Well if you read the thread fully you will understand that i don't care like merits, ranks and any benefits like all people do care here same  :)

3. If you don't think my guide which prevents newbies to be scammed and suggested always to use escrow, and calling my guide spammy that's to bad for you but happily not for the other people which will help them to prevent being scammed :)

4. DarkStar_ have nothing to do with this thread and never was part of it, another proof that you trying to place statements without even reading this thread fully and the statements on it.

5. As everyone our opinions and requests can be changed every hour depends on the position. Why i changed my opinion and want now my negative feedback to be removed ? Well because im here to help people not only doing trades, and im doing it right. A simple mistake from my side for not crediting full the sources doesn't mean i'm not helpful and i don't help people :) Don't make me screenshot my 17 pages of inbox history to show you how many people i help with information about escrow usage and stuff like that :) I don't think someone who didn't read this thread fully really care i am helpful or not ;)

6. Why we keep talking for bots ? Do you think i am bot or something ? Or you think i have anything to do with any bots or their activity ? Why should helpful person should be considered as bot and why you even compare me with bots?

7. At least if you want to be helpful to the community, then do it?  :) Or you are afraid for doing little bit mistake and risk your rank and feedback ? Attacking people without reading their thread, their guide, and their statements not makes you really a person who care about newbies around :)

And regards on your Legendary status and your positive feedback, but even my "non-trusted" feedback is more valuable in usd and activity than yours, and believe me, im going to keep help people around and rise my feedback with valuable but not in big count as numbers trades.

People asking on this thread why i do repeat myself.
Well that's the reason, because most of them don't even read the thread like you.
Thanks for your opinion, no matter bad or good, believe me i respect it ! :)

Sure, I'll bite :P
1. You're quite selective in who's judgement you value. Unfortunately for you, cryptohunter's opinion isn't even a majority in this thread, and until recently he didn't even know DT existed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5066315.0).
2. Many users say that.
3. If it's helping users, why did you delete it instead of correcting your wrongs?
4. DarkStar_ reported your plagiarism, I corrected my mistake in the username.
5. Screenshotting PMs is not done, so don't do it. I did read your thread and your deleted topic.
6. It seems like you don't want to understand the point. I've seen a higher ranked and much more loved dark green trusted user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.0) getting banned for plagiarism, the rules are the same for everyone.
7. Lol. Feel free to make a poll on helpfulness: LoyceV vs Rambotnic.
What makes you think usd sales through escrow make you more valuable as a user, and why would that have anything to do with your plagiarism?

1. No matter cryptohunter, bitcoinhunter or litecoinhunter :) I respect everyone opinion no matter is bad or good.
The value of the statements its more than the count of them and i share the same view and same feelings when i try to help people.
No matter what your opinion will be good or bad, i also respect it and learn from it :)
We all should learn from the bad things (criticism) and trying to be better, not watching only the good things to our names and what we do :)

2. Many people say that but not many people proving it with their activity ? I'm here to prove it not to only say it :) My activity is transparent, and every single negative feedback from salty scammer i exposed anywhere will be another proof im doing the things right! :) (I'm talking about the people im asking for proofs for their sales or suggestion of using escrow and their denial and so)

3. I deleted my thread because based on DT Member opinion its not something right to be there no matter it was credited to "unknown sources". I clearly stated after this misunderstanding got fixed, i will once again open this guide and will post the correct credits by names and not links (i don't want to advertise another forums with links). Just to mention i would never also report myself (and yes i reported myself) if i didn't feel, believed and respected Pharmacist decision in first view. In second view i still respect and understand Pharmacist opinion but same as my guide it was taken rashly and without full reading that i put credit to the sources but not fully as some people expect that.

4. I also reported myself :) A mod can confirm it, i have nothing to hide here, because i don't feel doing the wrong thing. If helping people with information is wrong, then "excuse" me :)

5. My guide is still active in the archive version and can be found here -> https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html
Thanks god its not deleted and i can re-open it again with the same text but little bit edited this time, and every time i have to add something to make the guide even more helpful for everyone. :)

6. Seems like you don't want to understand not me.
That's not plagiarism at its full meaning, just badly credited thread. Also, its not me, you or anyone than MOD who can decide about it.
I will be more than happy to see also like everyone else (i hope you to) official bitcointalk rules, not just not official ones.

7. I have nothing against you, and this thread have nothing to do with you by the way to open anything against you.
I'm here to help people, not to fight people :) Opening any "vs" thread is against the things im trying to achieve here :)
I want to help and protect people, i don't want to "vs" anyone or trying to prove who is more trusted, you, me or anyone here :)
You had more time on this forum to have more trades and connections with people.
But for the small time i've used this forum, i made enough VALUABLE in costs but not in count trades to prove im not around to mess and waste people time.
Like every single living human i did few mistakes which im learning from and moving on for better :)
Why i think escrow trades makes my trades more valuable ? Because valuable trades is valuable trades with or without escrow :) The amount of cash on it its the same.
And my trades using escrow just stands on my guide and my statements that everyone should use escrow for his own safety.
If you track my post history, i even reject some part of offers to me when people ask to pay me upfront and suggest them for using escrow.
Why im doing that instead of earning trust for people paying me upfront and trusting me? Because i feel responsible to offer the other party better and secure way of trading using escrow for their own security and good.
I don't mind ALL my trades goes thru escrow but not just people trusting me randomly with some amounts no matter they are 5$ or 50,000$.
Consider im doing the right thing and i have nothing to hide, i don't feel bad for doing valuable trades with escrow, trying to help people and warn them to stay safe and such of things.

Thanks for reading my long reply! :)

Hi, firstly I want to say I have no personal issue at all with thepharmacist (who i'm familiar with from the alt board years back) nor yourself who I don't believe I have encountered before I met you the other day where you kindly provided some stats. Many thanks.

I always feel for the small guy in a situation where he finds himself on fragile ground and not entirely of his own fault.

However let's try and solve this matter without any prior bias.


I can not see any room for opinion. If we are simply to go by the rules of this board as they are written below.

"33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]
...
Examples:
...
33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.


Anything outside of that is speculation and guessing. There could be implied meanings to many of the unofficial rules. Which as you correctly state here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.msg36030624#msg36030624 are not set in stone anyway.


It is observable that TP said "You passed off all that "helpful" information as your own words." on the 5th november.

TP then left on the 5th of november the negative trust saying the OP is a plagiarist. Observable also.

You can therefore observe he left the feedback whilst being under a false impression that the OP had claimed the work as his own -- when clearly he had not been guilty of this.

You can clearly observe the OP wrote at the top of his post "I found few different sources that are legitimate and decided to share them with the community for safe trading."

Writing that is a clear indication that this work is not his own. This meets the full and total expectation of the rule as it is written. Anything implied further than that is speculation.

Anything else now is really not  relevant but I believe there are more mitigating circumstances in his favour.


1. he is not a bot and clearly does not go around copy and pasting as a habit looking through his post history
2. he clearly would not go and post this in meta (which is where i was told it was posted) in amongst all the largest ban hammers reside looking for these kind of things if he knew he was committing a perma ban offense. It does not make sense.
3. marlboroza on 08-11-2018, 23:25:04 - although sticking to his view that full references should be give he goes on to say that after reviewing a few things he believes also this was perhaps not intentional by the op. This demonstrates to me a reasonable person whom i merited for this sensible consideration.
4. the rules are there not to get rid of genuine users nor users that make an unintentional mistake (not that he made one going on the board rules as they are written) they are there as you say to stop spam bots and real content thieves.


To just speculate and generate discussion on your points whilst we wait for confirmation from the op. So hopefully we can get a sensible solution.

*** edit i see he posted already *** so only some are relevant.

1. not sure why my lack of knowledge regarding DT is relevant? can you explain? also I would propose the the majority have not yet had time to take into consideration and comment back on the observable events that I have picked up on.
2. He can confirm he is not a bot i guess.
3. He deleted after being told by "authority figures he had done wrong" so delete, edit, does not really matter he posted in meta so I doubt he was trying to go under the radar in the first place. He probably was in panic after being told the ban hammer was rising and was convinced (I believe wrongly so) that he broke rule 33.
4. DarkStar_ ( i am speculating) may feel that the guy deserves a pass or perhaps we are being a bit harsh. I say this because my post defending the OP received a merit from him. Now that is speculation, he may have clicked merit by accident, he may have just though the post was funny or some other reason.
6. when looking at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.0 i see a totally different case of someone with no disclaimer or reference at all therefore breaking board rules and allegedly on the basis of a sig campaign. I am not judging them but its not a fair comparison. He has apparent motive and broke the rule 33. Even so i see many DT members arguing for him not getting banned :) you here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.msg36030624#msg36030624 saying even the rules here can have exceptions they are a guide not a set of firm rules.. and some other quite sensible comments regarding your own possible unintentional referencing linking mistakes that could be open to plagiarism claims. And some quite human looking text regarding stress and other things that could create human error.
7. is not really relevant to this.


Again this is nothing personal I have no issue with anyone on this entire thread at all. It is just to see the small guy getting squeezed for what I believe was an obvious (perceived by some) mistake by a lot of high profile members is not fair.

Although if I have made a mistake in this post I enjoy finding the optimal outcome so i will check back to see the case against the OP again soon.

We need to cut a balance between getting rid of shitpost scammers who are here to pump scam icos and other scam bots account builders etc and stamping on real users who make the odd honest mistake.  I can understand that the few of you that do most of the fighting of this nightmare are kind of jaded from it and I know copy and paste is a very bad thing for the forum itself indeed and does need to be clamped down on hard.

I know everyone is getting tight on this now even memes etc.

So perhaps a slight update to the rules going further on 33 saying - - url reference at a minimum but full source reference if there is one.

My belief is that they shouldn't have a negative trust feedback because it's breaking forum rules and not necessarily something untrustworthy. He has (practically) no incentive to copy and paste and wouldn't profit off of it.

I believe it's best to let forum administration decide.

Thanks very much for clearing that up.

I would be inclined to agree with you on that if I fully trusted the mods to do their job 100%, but I don't.  We've even got staff like hilariousandco telling permabanned members to start over with new accounts because enforcement is so lax (and I've pleaded with him to not do this).  The shitposting and plagiarism problem is so bad because of either lack of clear rules or enforcement of the rules that are clear.  That's where DT members who are active in tagging scammers and other miscreants have always come in handy.

In Rambotnic's case, it was not clear at all where he was sourcing his information from, and cryptohunter can argue the observable facts until his fingertips bleed, but my opinion on the matter is that Rambotnic is both a plagiarist and a chronic shitposter--exactly what this forum doesn't need.  A permaban would be a much better solution, but red trust will have to suffice here.

I challenge anyone here to read through the OP's entire post history and then tell me he is a shit poster  that the forum does not want and provide evidence

1. He is a legitimate trader.
2. He always advocates using safe trading practice with bitcointalk own escrows.
3. He does not make any needless shitposts AT ALL or at least a tiny % less than most people here
4. He has highlighted and reported several scammers and phishing site link posters
5. He is often warning people on threads where noob accounts are asking for unreasonable trust and are high risk. Replying on such threads things such as " no way will I be sending to a new account first" - or " 1000btc no escrow sounds legit" are warnings that to me are totally justified on noob bait threads.
6. I have learned 1 very important thing that I did not know reading through these posts.
7. He has very low motivation to shit post - he is not even wearing a sig so needs no inflated post count.


I strongly refute that this person can be classed as a useless member of this forum nor a shit poster.


Saying this person should be perma banned on the basis of

1. breaking the forum rules of crediting yourself with other peoples work

2. being a shit poster of no worth

Is observably incorrect on both accounts.

You are again mistaken that short and concise posts regarding price , escrow availability , shipping ect  are essentially shit posting. This is not the case for trading. There is no requirement to make long posts for legitimate trades.

He is a legitimate trader who seems fair and helpful to others too. This is there for anyone to examine. Go ahead go through his entire post history. I do not doing trading here really but bitcoin/crypto's can use all the honest traders they can get right now.

I understand you do a lot of good work and must be frustrated at all this scammers and bots and other various schemes. This person is obviously not someone that deserves to be grouped in with them. You have made a mistake I believe in good faith based on a report and flagged it red.  

However I had expected that you had just missed a lot of information since you had been busy fighting other scammers and jumped to the wrong conclusion in this case. Fair enough, anyone can make a mistake. But this is a lot more concerning for those that have a sense of fair play I think. You are still advocating a perma ban when to me even the red trust there (of major damage to a trader like him) this is very harsh.

I think removing it would provide you with more credibility than keeping it there long term.

The weird thing here is that Pharmacist thinks that i did it to earn any benefits ranks or merits.
My very first posts here on this forum laughing at people who fight for merits and claiming im not here for that and i don't need even a single merit.
The only thing im here to win by helping people is "Thanks".
I'm not shit poster, i don't care about my post count and i don't care about your merit system.
All i want is to make trades without looking like a scammer with that tag.
To help people with everything i can and nothing more.
I'm not here to earn ranks and use my signature to earn money like most people do.
Actually i don't plan joining in any campaigns that involve signatures and stuff like that.
Also i never had suspicious activity or any shady behavior.
You can't just judge someone for simple mistake for not crediting fully off-topic sources.
Or you are sinless...
Don't put all scammers, shit posters and everyone bad around with me.
I was and will always be in the other side.
Actually, sadly i believe i was scammed today...

DarkStar_   has demonstrated great character here and fair play toward you by restoring your trust to 0 from -1. Fair play and humanity would I hope be the KEY ingredient to being a DT member. I honestly think this is one of the most fairest and considerate actions I have seen on this board in a long time.

I hope that you (the OP) yourself will make great effort from this point forward to demonstrate your acknowledgement of  his effort here and really become a long term valuable member of this board. As a trader trust score is very important so be careful as possible to demonstrate you are honest and genuine..(which so far i think you have)

To those that stuck to the perma ban suggestion even after taking into consideration the observable facts.... I really hope that you are judged by those that show more humanity and fair play than  you have shown here if you are to one day make an honest mistake.



 

Thanks DarkStar_ !
At least people won't treat me like a scammer because of the red trust.
But i still want to apologise Pharmacist that i didn't fully credit the sources but only noted it was used sources.
Once again i respect everyone opinion and i do respect the criticism from Pharmacist also.
I hope he would also give me second chance and understand i never had bad intentions doing the guide but only wanted to help people.

May I make an out-of-the-box suggestion? I've suggested before that plagiarists can get an out-of-jail-card if they report a few higher ranking members for plagiarism. This gives plagiarists the chance to redeem themselves: they contribute to the forum, and lower the total amount of plagiarism. Within official forum rules this doesn't work, but if all involved parties agree, it can work here.

My proposal @The Pharmacist and @Rambotnic would be:
1. Rambotnic reports (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0) at least 2 users for plagiarism. To prevent abuse, the users need to have a higher account rating than Rambotnic (253 Activity or higher; Member or higher).
2. Once confirmed (and banned), The Pharmacist removes the red trust on Rambotnic.

 Do you know even memes are starting to be considered as copyright theft which is something that is actually more serious in most cases than plagiarism. Although I believe there is an over lap in this very complex area. Soon if we are not careful we will wipe out a lot of good members.

I do see the the net gain of such an idea in terms of ridding the board of people who are intentionally doing wrong.

However, to be totally honest if people are intentionally plagiarising here for financial gain (not just trying to post something relevant to help others like some argued the guy from the collectibles forum was doing ) they should be banned. Getting them to snitch on 2 others will probably not change the type of person they are and not prevent future schemes they may be planning. If they are bad eggs they should be deleted. For me it is all about establishing intent to find the real bad guys who are here to scam others. I have seen several times people will ask a question and someone else will cut and paste the answer from the net. This is before icos and sigs they were just doing it to be helpful. These should get a temp ban or warning. These are not essentially bad eggs.

For me personally it is clear TP ( who i believe is a usually constructive member who has probably been of great benefit to the board over-all although i had not seen him post on the alt board for a long time so almost forgot who he was but when he was there he seemed a good member I remember him joining and asking questions back then)  clearly based his initial decision upon incorrect assumptions. This was a mistake. This is understandable and there is no problem with that. However now we dispelled the initial 2 reasons upon which he justified the red tag - - let's just remove it.

Your idea is clever but I do not like the idea of someone who is clearly a bad egg getting a pass whatever they do next. Some bad eggs just will never change. Get rid of them. As much as I dislike plagiarism if it is deliberate , repeated and for only financial gain it is still secondary to those running huge scams to defraud peoples btc away from them directly. Although this overlap once again. Intent is so important.  This guy on the evidence available is not a bad egg.

Nothing stopping OP reporting bad eggs in future and has done in the past so I don't think he even needs motivation.

Of course that is up to him but motivating someone become a snitch ( i snitch on real scammers for sure by facing them down in their threads and have done it perhaps more with big scams than 99.99% of this board )  if they have not done something intentionally wrong can cause them problems. Trust me that if you make trouble for the wrong people on here you need to know what you are getting yourself into and make your own decision to out them. Forcing people into such action could be dangerous ground.

I like your idea and you seem like a smart person but just extra things to consider before going forward with that.

TP may stick to his word and remove negative trust now that he sees some other people other than myself feel it could be overly harsh in this case. I think he will.







 

Actually i report threads/people for much serious problems than plagiarism :)
I report threads/people and suggest newbies to stay safe and use escrow.
No matter my badly credited thread can't harm people, other people trying to harm people by scamming them :)
I do report scammers or potential/obvious ones by exposing their intentions.
Some of you may tell my warnings/suggests to people to use escrow and such as spam, but believe me i'm pretty sure they saved at least one innocent person so far :)
And based on the angry OP's which turn against me instead of proving me wrong, i was 100% in the right time and right place.
I hope Pharmacist will never agree on something like that, but i also hope that he is human like everyone else and understand people do mistakes sometime like my case.
We all should deserve second chance, especially in cases like mine which people could not be harmed with my information but only get some help.
Also everyone around using their own powers by their own view and 99,99% of them do not follow the rules strictly.
After doing that mistake, i read the un-official rules few times and i can see that many many people being red tagged for something not violating the rules - buying/selling accounts.
I'm not involved in any activity like that and i don't really care about any sales of that type but if its allowed by the rules, why people break the rules by tagging them?
That's theme for another thread but just trying to point that my "mistake" is far away from the bad things people do around.

Bump and still looking to resolve the negative feedback from Pharmacist.

TP won’t help you, you are an idiot and a fool mr policeman

Take a look what pm i just received from the looser TMAN :D -> http://prntscr.com/litv8o
Exposed scammer trying to threat me :)
Tman, i won't warn you over internet, but if you continue, expect the consequences :)

If i spend time to find all the threads against you where you scam people and threat them, not sure why you are still not banned.
But if you trying to threat me, you know we both know where i work and what's the legal consequences you have to take :)
Your ass can be "smart" over internet and internet only :)

consequences? I can buy your bosses boss's silence for less than the import duties you couldn't afford to pay. You are a racist lying little fuck...

as the children like to say "come at me bro"

In this case DarkStar_ is very much wrong; we can't not (selectively) care whether someone cheats or not. ::)

He's openly threatening someone right there, but later backs down to "legal consequences".

Yet in the case where a actually very good member who was not aware of the forum policy for this, he got banned for it.

Oh now we see Lauda :) The defender of his scamming group TMAN/owlcatz.
No one care about what you saying from ages here.
You were respectful staff and DT member.
After you and your guys decided to scam big amount of money, i'm not sure why you are not banned but at least everyone know what person you are :)
At least i am trying to help people, i don't scam them like you and i don't move their funds which even in first place were not in safe place to his own pocket :)
Well, thanks god people like you are not in DT anymore and thanks god you cannot scam no one anymore.
Also i don't threat people, TMAN trying to threat me, but we both know what i work so he can threat only over internet :)
And in-topic: My intentions to help people are transparent, same as your scamming methods which we all have seen here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17624090#msg17624090
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0


Sadly legit people like minerjones is messed with trash scammers like you.
Going to lock this thread to prevent spam.