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That so much capital left the market? Market cap was $220 billion 3 weeks ago. Today, we are barely holding on to $125 billion market cap. How much lower can btc go in price? 3k, 2k, 1k?

I don't feel like it's dead, but I feel like it is a lot more vulnerable than it was prior to a month ago, and I am not certain about a recovery any time soon.

If you are a billionaire and you want to control and manipulate the market in the future, now it is a good time to buy, I guess that is what happened in the last weeks and one of the biggest manipulators is the Satoshi himself

what does the total market cap have anything to do with bitcoin price that you are asking your question like this?!! there are trillions of tokens in circulation and when the price of shitcoins fall this total market cap ($200 billion) gets dumped hard with them. just as when  shitcoins are pumping it shoots up! it is fake anyways.

as for manipulation, the more you manipulate and the more you push the price down the harder it gets since the resistance would become bigger and bigger. to a point where  the buying power not only negates the manipulators but also pushes it back up again.

2018 is a year of manipulation because of 2017's skyrocketing Bitcoin and Altcoin prices. It happened before, and it will always happen. Number 1 reason I see is that the market doesn't need too much filthy coins, if you know what I mean. Its a fit year for survival because we all know how many scams have already happened. And last but not the least, we should only see the trend last year. It won't be long till it rises but do not expect too much.

I don't know but all I know is that it is still vulnerable to quick changes since that is how Bitcoin is.

Bitcoin and other crypto currencies are vulnerable to quick changes because they are decentralized, the reason they are volatile as they are. But I don't think investors will manipulate Bitcoin now even the price is low since even if it is low, for an investor and a crypto, it is still expensive. And if you are observing the price, it is still moving up.

ICO is one of some factors that make bitcoin price fall, some investors buught altcoins using btc and then the developer immediately convert it into fiat to avoid volatility of cryptocurrency price. But actually that fund is still used to develop cryptocurrency related platform and then it will give good impact for cryptocurrency so actually it is the right time to buy bitcoin, but I won't buy it now because the price will keep go down until less than $3000. I will buy it again when there is a good signal of increasing price of bitcoin. Then I will become a millionaire. I disagree if you said that cryptocurrency be easier to manipulate, no it's harder now because many new people buy bitcoin now and btc will spread evenly so liquidity become higher.

I don't think bitcoin and the cryptocurrency markets in general are volatile due to them being decentralized. They are volatile and easy to skew in price simply because there isn't that much money into bitcoin or cryptocurrencies, compared to other very stable assets like gold. As we speak, bitcoin only has $67 billion in marketcap whereas gold’s total market value is estimated at around $7.8 trillion source[1].

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[1] http://fortune.com/2017/12/09/cameron-winklevoss-bitcoin-multitrillion-dollar-asset/

On a positive note, as the price of BTC collapses and all our speculators get burnt and become destitute, in time BTC will return to its humble beginning, where its just mined, and used for transferring wealth. Free money transfer for the little-people, unmolested by Governments ( Here is why we need real security & privacy in BTC ).

Also of course glad to see everybody here hitting the 'shitcoins' hard, if it weren't for the shit-coins, BTC really would have gone to the moon, but the dilution and confusion of the shitcoins, really soils BTC.

Largely the fault is the exchanges, for putting the shitcoins on equal footing, but then exchanges became nothing more than casinos for the speculators,

Remember BITCOIN itself was never a PONZI, its the majority of people that PROMOTE BTC that are the ponzi,

Sort of like the GUN arguments, guns don't do bad, people do bad with guns, same for BTC, BTC never did bad, but Bad people did bad things with bitcoin :(

the reason for manipulating price is to make money and if what you say is true and actual "money" has gone out of the market then there is no more reason to manipulate it anymore since they wouldn't be able to make any money from it.

although that is not the case, I am just pointing out the paradox in your statement. in reality in my opinion there is only uncertainty right now but if price were to drop more then there will be a lot of "jumping in" that the same people would start buying more.

You still have to dump a tremendous amount of money into Bitcoin to manipulate the price, because at $4000 per bitcoin it might not sound like a lot of money, but the "waiting" period to get a ROI, when you bought loads of coins, will take several years to recover.

The risk associated with a large investment like that, might also not be attractive to a lot of fiat whales that wants to manipulate the Bitcoin price.

I agree with you that a much lower price would offer fiat whales more scope to execute large scale manipulation, because it becomes cheaper to do that.  ;)

The smaller the market cap in general in any financial market, the bigger the manipulation can become. Have you not seen coins or tokens with small market caps pump and dump very high or very low because in a matter of minutes one whale alone can move the whole market because he wants to? This is the same for the whole crypto market in general. It can be manipulated even more now and with all the FUD news churned out on purpose, this is what is happening to scare people into selling.

For me I think its manipulated by greedy investors and traders, Others are using bots to pump and dump any altcoins they want. It should be also easy if you have big funds in BTC, But anyways BTC still has a high and reasonable price right now?

As much as that would be ideal for the ideological believers, I don't think this will happen anytime soon. The crash seems to have made people forget that Bitcoin has been in worse situations and has come out blazing. It's only a matter of time before it recovers, and even eclipses its ATH.


This fits the narrative of insitutional investors wanting to get in the market, but without any proof, it's just conjecture.

In fact, the lower the price, the lower the manipulation. Like the same profit. As profit falls, interest decreases. So the market needs a new excitement right now. Otherwise, it may try to go down further after a while.

Indeed manipulation makes them happy, and speculators are only limited to the game, but this will not last long, if price manipulation goes down they will also suffer losses, we wait for a sense of saturation so realize that market manipulation is easy but to generate it seems difficult.

It was even easy to manipulate at its high capital. What more they could do with this kind of small capital now?

In fact, compared to the past few years, bitcoin is now more difficult to manipulate, because the price of bitcoin was only a few dozen dollars a few years ago, and now the price of bitcoin has reached or even tens of thousands of dollars, so the bitcoin is harder manipulated. The amount of money needed will be more and more, but for altcoins, it is still very easy to manipulate the price of them.

Its more cheaper now and for sure many new whales are already in the market. Its easy for them now to manipulate the market because they own more bitcoin/altoins now. Strong regulation in cryptomarket is what we need so those who are trying to ruin the reputation of cryptocurrency will be caught by the authorities.

The rise of this market is still not sure, no one can say when it will start to recover or it will still longer on this dump level but hopefully the price wont go lower than $3k again. I wish for a real investors to come it in this market to stop the bleeding, there's still time before the end of 2018.

Bitcoin is still high if you look at the price in the past, but this must be stop now before we hit the $2k level again.

Market manipulators who push the price down are now doing themselves any favours. A recovery is becoming increasingly difficult and at this rate could take years before people rejoin the crypto world

It has to wipe out the alts and make the ICO's think twice before launching because there isn't easy money in crypto like last year.

Bitcoin isn't the coin to be worried about. It's the 1000's of alts that are going to 0 while bitcoins value increases next year.

With the current market cap of cryptocurrency, I can say that it is easy to manipulate and it always is. One news coming from a popular website can make a huge effect with the price of crypto.

Its easier for the whales to manipulate the price of crypto now that the whole market cap is low. Adoption will be the only solution to at least lessen manipulation.

They can put in their capital to pump it up. Potentially those whales who are willing to interrupt the movement and make the market move in the direction they want to would take the capital out one day causing a market crash and then one fine day in the midst of the dump they would buy in making the market move up again. They would either be doing this to fool other traders into buying in or buying out. Its not easy to predict nor useful at all.

Dont need more people to join now. Let them be,the same people will be fomoed once higher prices are reached and they will come back in.

Obviously. The cryptocurrency market has been manipulated on many different occasions in the past and I don't think this will change anytime soon. I have observed this on multiple occasions myself and there is nothing surprising about any of this op.

I think the recent price crash was a manipulation technique by the Bitcoin cash team which resulted in a negative downtrend. This year is exactly the polar opposite of last year when it comes to the cryptocurrency market trends.

Manipulation will always be a concern due to the extremely volatile nature of this market which is something you simply need to get used to.

Did you see what happened in December? Many governments began to tell their citizens that they should not buy bitcoin because it was dangerous, then these same governments started to impose laws and rules so that the banks of their countries limited people to not be able to buy bitcoins, KYC and Proof of income came to limit people, result: the demand for cryptos has dropped and prices have dropped a lot. but that's not all. Many people had high expectations in ICOs, but with the wave of scammers, many people left the crypto world


No one knows this, but if there is not much demand, it is possible that the price would fall to $3500

There are so many speculations on the crypto market in recent times and the issue of manipulations always comes to play whenever we think of making a projection on how bitcoin would look like in the future. I believe the price of bitcoin can still be manipulated further by those who have a large amount of  bitcoin.

I don't think bitcoin and altcoins are easy to manipulate. They will need to have huge amount of money before they can manipulate the prices of cryptocurrency.

I am more scared if the rich people will just be the one to handle it.
Better for them to sell it now and then go away.
If the whales did this then good. If it is a group of small investors then it might be just okay.

I still prefer differenr individual holding it. Maybe 2 bitcoim per person will give a lot of of difference instead of just 10 with thousands of btc in their hands.

Yes it could be manipulated if you have the right amount of money.

It does IMO, the sell off of BTC bring down most of the Altcoins along with it, BTC was around $6200 some weeks ago and went as low as $3500, that is more than 43% loss in value and we all know that BTC dominance in the space is still very strong and the whole marketcap come down with it. There is no way we won't tie this with BTC because most of these so called Shitcoins derive their value from BTC pair on most exchanges

Of course, with the lower market cap price manipulation is much easier. It is even much easier when users are in panic because they do not think reasonably and make decisions under the influence of fear. However, i think that this is the end of the bear market and positive moods are slowly coming back to the market.

I think this time manipulating bitcoin or altcoin is not impossible because everything is possible in using high technology. Specially in terms of making money manipulating is always there so even in bitcoin or altcoin this is more possible or prone. But I think if you were still safe if you are making transaction private because all we know that privacy is the only thing that we only do for our safety,dont let other people know your personal password account or even your private keys. I believe that every online transactions can manipulate because of technology so we need to be careful.

For a single person it is very tough to manipulate the whole market because it is not a small market to which can be manipulate by any one for this a strong group if ready they have a major hold in the crypto they can change the market position and it is natural that demand and supply forces can bring changes in the actual market cap. Mostly big businesses need to bring the currency to a level which they afford so they make a plane for that and some time they spread rumors in the market.

manipulation has strong causes and factors. only then can it happen, as in the fake satosi case about the destruction of bitcoin recently. it is one of the manipulations that occur from the role of FUD which has been designed to impose the price of bitcoin. and this can be the entrance to the pope to buy bitcoin at a cheap price.

The more cheap the price, the more easier to do manipulation. The fact is altcoin easier to manipulated then bitcoin. With the current drop price, a few altcoin might already manipulated by group of people, but for btc it will require more power to manipulates. The obvious thing is not easy to do that.

I don't think it matter for whales though. They can manipulate expensive btc and make it crash and they can pump cheap btc it whenever they like. It's the people's reaction to those manipulations that makes the difference. Of course panic would have greater effect.

Bitcoin and everything in cryptocurrency is vulnerable.
The market and the people dictates the price of the token.
We were at 800 BILLION market cap before, we were less than a billion too.
We should understand the market and gain from it.

Of course it's easy to manipulate the market... If you have millions or billions of Bitcoin or altcoins, but still it depends of the demand even if you sell a million or billion of Bitcoins in the market and no one wants to buy it to you it will not going to change.

But volume really has a big part of the price change isn't?

I think even you are a billionaire still it is hard to manipulate market. We all know that Satoshi Nakamoto have a lot of bitcoin on his wallet so we can really say he can really manipulate the market. However, Satoshi Nakamoti is still unknown so no one know who can manipulate the market.

It doesn't change much. Altcoins were being manipulated anyway by rich miners who had a lot of money and could boost an altcoin early on when not many people were interested in it, mine a lot, and dump it all when the right time comes. 2 years ago the market was much smaller than now and it was much easier to manipulate.

big investors can indeed manipulate prices and we as small investors just go with the flow, prices go down quickly and prices of time will rise slowly, whales always eat anchovy which is easily panic

I don't agree. There are 'shity altcoins' as you say, but there can't all be bad. I believe that there is a hidden gem out there that has a potential and that deserves a shot. Think about it. The leverage of BTC is that it was first and it was implemented already. The rest that arrived later had less chance to succeed and of course it is easier to manipulate with small, unimportant and anonymous altcoins.

I think we got vey low market cap lately and i wouldn't think that it goes more down.. I just checked it has reached 140 billion and still climbing high. I believe that after this black friday madness the bitcoin and altcoins price started to recover and our sunny day is coming soon.. (Hopefully!!)

The future looks uncertain and recommending a billionaire to become a bagholder in case the current market trend continues and the doesn't come up again. Until the market pick up, there isn't any need to keep adding to what you already have.

Current market conditions are really bad, there are a lot of investors who secure their assets with USDT, they are afraid if they keep holding coins. And I think the current conditions are almost the same in the past 2014, the market will not recover soon, it may take more than a year to make it normal again

I don't think it's going to be any easier, because most of them left the market, they weren't very interested in it in the first place, also remember that for those prices to go down the whales had to sell large amounts of btc, so if ordinary people bought we would regain some power.

Now the whales are buying cryptocurrency to sell at a profit of 200%.

I do not expect a sharp increase in Bitcoin, but in the next 2-3 months Bitcoin can reach a price of 8, 000 dollars

Market capitalization declined as Bitcoin and Altcoin prices plummeted, causing the market to fall sharply. The money withdrawn from Crypto is not possible because they are in US dollars (Altcoin) and this amount is being used by sharks to manipulate the market.

It is very easy to answer. After the big market crush everyone is ready to listen believe anything. So it is the right time for the speculators. Unfortunately they are very good at it and the people would get loose easily with the wrong speculations.. Also if you have the right channels and followers you can make manipulations too. Also the big investors would do it very easy too, ofcourse.

Manipulation is one thing that is predominant in this market. Big whales push the market in their favour and they achieve this by making weak hands think that everything is about to crash, you panic and dump to them. Am sure with this dip, they have loaded up their bags again and ready to go again.

It is not always possible to move upwards. No matter how high it is, people want it to be even higher. At 6.5k we wanted it to be higher and even if it had been 65k we would like it to be higher. Yep for the first time we see such a low price in 2018 but for the first time we have met with the price of 20k the past year.

Its easier to manipulate the market now, the diversify of investment now is too big, it makes most of the coins become weaker, the lower the transaction volume the easier for the whale to control and manipulate, the investors now still hesitate to invest so the market cap keep on dropping and its easier for the whale to execute any action

it seems to me that below 100 billion dollars we will not see the capitalization of the cryptocurrency market

You're right Bitcoin is very vulnerable at its present price, people with lots of money can buy it now to control its price later

Altcoins follow Bitcoin's ups and downs anyway, most of the time. If you can manipulate Bitcoin you have the market by the balls I think. This needs to change. Not one crypto should dominate in the market for a healthier situation in altcoins.

 I would even say that for now only the best and wisest guys are left on the stage, so it would be even harder in my opinion, to deceive them.

indeed, if the market tends to go down continuously, maybe it has already begun to reduce or filter in investors, those who are strong persist, and those who surrender start crypto, which is certainly the impact of crypto starting to lack new investors. In my opinion, Blockchain also has no significant development from year to year

Price reduction doesnt alway mean that investors are now exiting . it also means that investors are only selling their coins but with this state i think the market is now easier to  manipulate because we can see that the price going green if someone buys a crypto  ( whether huge or small amount ) than compared to when the market is in pump state .

Alts dont just follow bitcoin after a short dump and pump. The general condition of the market needs to remain red for some period of time like one to two weeks in order to drop the altcoins to red. If there is a swift dump there may be negligible movements in altcoins and some may not even move at all. Still there are time when we have seen strange first-time-heard names of some altcoins which have huge gains in the drop of bitcoin price. These are in my opinion pumped prices or coordinated pump and dump of those altcoins.

I don't think that manipulating the crypto currencies are easy even if the Bitcoin and some alts are at a low price,
Bitcoin would really be hard to manipulate by a person if the price would be manipulated then it would be done by a huge group.
But when it comes to alt-coin I have seen some low volume alts that have been manipulated by some whales.

It takes more than tons of money to manipulate BTC or Alts. Even if a whale will put up a huge wall that will make other sellers or buyers to go to the direction whales want, its still the market who will dictate if they want to go with the flow where manipulators want it to go. There can be a group of people who can beat those even if they don't have that much money with them.

Perhaps it is. Of course, after such a long drop recovery will take a long time. But we can only assume that. The price can be manipulated by large investors and when they want then there will be growth. We should just wait for him.

To manipulate the price of bitcoin and cryptocurrency will be more and more difficult in the future. Now the price of bitcon is very low, but I think that whales will lower it even lower soon. I can not say that this is due only to manipulation, perhaps this is due to the fact that many investors exit bitcoin due to fear of losing the remaining money.

A very good question. There is an interesting thread here on the forum about a possible reason... "the bitcoin OTC crash"

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5072733.0

Those who sell off an asset because they "fear" are not investors or deserve to be called so. A real investor putting in their money into a project would do research and look at the market risks associated with it before investing. So when the market drops they would still hold their coins and not sell at a loss.

Whales are not predictable as to what they are planning. While one whale may be trying to dump another might pump and the market might see a net growth or fall. Altcoins are dropping as btc is dropping which is nothing new but keep an eye out on the gainers in the bear market - those are coins you would never want to enter if the growth is a pumped one.

I agree with what you said, sir. They don't deserve to be called investors if all they do is buy then pump and dump. That is even illegal in some countries. Its an act of fraud and I believe the current projects that are too late on the crypto bubble are doing this to scam people. It is not about "hodling" anymore. You have to really strategize in this field or you will lose real money.

with the current decline in prices I see if manipulation of BTC and Altcoin is easy for anyone who wants to make a profit, because now many people do that because they are blocked by income.

The manipulation also depends on trade volume. İt is going to be relatively harder to manipulate an asset when the trade volume is relatively higher than the other asset not just market cap.

I do not know about those manipulators. so far the price of bitcoin is low but this is the time for you to buy cheap, but we do not know when this price is high when it comes to selling it immediately or so keep it as long as the price increases. I think it's really hoping it will increase the bitcoin soon.

Yes, the Bitcoin and cryptocurrency market doesn’t look very promising right now. But the truth is that awareness about the blockchain technology and all that it can do is spreading. This means that it won’t be long before people begin to realize the true potential of Bitcoins and altcoin. The prices are falling because there are hundreds of coins that are fake, this makes the market stoop low. However, as things become more transparent and fake coins are kicked out, things will start looking up again. I think that while this is the best time to buy Bitcoin and altcoins, you should hold on to them if you’ve already invested.

The smaller the Marketcap is the easier it could be manipulated, this applies on all coins, not just BTC. But I don't think there is more room for manipulation right now! What are they gonna manipulate? Any further manipulation will hurt them more than benefit them. Any further dump under $3000 will make me believe this is not a job of whales and it is a job of big entities who don't really care about money and their main goal is to control BTC.

The market is not easily manipulated,well as you have made these words as if BTC and ALT are very easy to manipulate in your opinion.Do you have that amount of 125 billion to manipulate the market? If you have that it's very easy and right but I'm not sure cause one stick will not be strong against millions of sticks.

If I were billionaire I guess I will buy a lot of bitcoin and altcoins which we know you can manipulate the market if you have a lot of it. All of us believe that Satoshi Nakamoto is the reason why the market are down because he can manipulate it and we all know that he is the person who have a lot of bitcoins.

Actually i am very much optimistic about crypto market. Yes you are right and i think this is high time to manipulate BTC and alt coin if you have enough money. But this is only my thinking as i am very much hopeful about market. But i think you are more claver and know vast about market so always make your own decision that after your decision you can not blame another. Go ahead and be lucky.

With how bitcoin and the crypto market already grow around the web and there's already big players who will ready to play yes the market can be manipulated, this business personalities are here to grab the opportunities and take away more money from those individuals who are not well inform
about the industry, only those who can play along with the whales will survive and earned huge profits.

It's definitely a huge decrease in the marketcap especially at a point like this when the value of BTC is already down.
This shows that people are loosing interest/trust in BTC which is why the money is flowing out of the crypto economy.
I guess lack of developments and growth in the price of cryptocurrencies are driving away people's interest over crypto.
It becomes easier to manipulate a coin when only few people are holding it.

The correlation about long-term potential manipulation is not too binding because more and more holders realize not to be caught in the panic of holding their coins.

Currently it is very clear that it is very easy to change momentum with a variety of volume manipulations, but for the future the system will strengthen the fundamentals continuously, no matter how many tokens investors have, the paradigm will always appear to keep the volume limit not always negative. because they will always set limits to enjoy profits at certain stages and keep playing safe.

You are not getting the point. You dont need to have a lot of money at hand to manipulate in the bear market. People are already scared
and panicking about what to do in future and how to handle their assets. Although this is one of the basic risks associated with a speculative market some people just have to put in all their emotions in it.

It is possible to manipulate the market by coordinating pump or dump. If you have a number of people whose united amount of capital is large then that can also be used to move the market in one direction.

Things are getting worse for digital currency I remember this time last year. there are alot of smile in peoples face with alot predicting bitcoin might reach 50k before the end of 2018, here we are things have fallen apart and all we hope things doesnt get worst before the eve of 2019. festive period is getting close and I am very sure people will wanna take their money to enjoy the holiday and probably will might witness another fall. Dont be surprise if bitcoin go below 2k. some people were calling it market correction but I am very sure bitcoin will pump again some day.

Crypto currency has always been easy to manipulate and now it seems lil more easier and it's getting less romantic

I think that now it is easier to manipulate cryptocurrencies. The smaller the market, the easier it is to manipulate them. But I think that regulators will not allow to simply manipulate the market.

Yes, I agree with you, a lot of shitcoin has been circulating lately, and that makes the cryptocurrency market chaotic. And maybe that way greedy people manipulate the market.

From all indication there will no bull run soon, majority predicted that there will be bull run by December but now we have gotten to December and the market is still going down, so let's hope for green market next year 2019.

Romantic? LMAO do you romance the market like everyday? Or do you expect profits everyday so you can be high like everytime you take a shot? Come on how do you expect an unregulated asset to be not manipulated? Same reason why stocks and commodities have to be regulated or they will be the source of offshoring money. You cant stop that from happening and so you will have to deal with it.

There are no regulators. I wonder how long you have been in crypto that you are making statements like these.


There are loads of shit in the world. Would you lick that or grab the gold from in between? ;)

Not necessarily.

The market is down generally and we are going to see its opposite soon and that my soon is not tomorrow or next but some years like 2 , it will come up with a very big surge that is will surpass the old high and the more higher we go then the chances of more vulnerability ,so every one should just prepared their mind and never think the bubble has burst.

Yes we can definitely change one cryptocurrency to other at all time in these days the investing people are very less than before so we can definitely change or manipulate one currency to other very easily at this time this is my opinion.

Currently the marketcap of bitcoin is about $60 billion, it is lower than you wrote this thread.
About recovery, i don't think there is anyone who knows when the cryptocurrency market will be recovered.
For now, we can only stay monitoring the market and hoping they will be better soon.

The ones who think that the bubble has burst are either no-coiners who never entered in bitcoin because they were never interested in it but they want to place their expert comments in. The second are those who are preying on weak hands to sell their coins at a loss so they could catch them at discounted price than before.

You wont be making good money right away. But since we have seen from the past charts of bitcoin that patience is very rewarding for those who have it. Price may drop more at this point as well.

Bitcoin and the market was easy to be manipulated from the beginning. We already saw bitcoin crashing or lowering the price for more than 70% for multiple times right? To manipulate the market, all they need is millions of dollars, creating FUD crypto related news and false break out or bull run then that is it, investors will immediately dump their holdings once they see their funds going down day by day. For the record, bitcoin crashes but also recovering where it reaches an all time high.

This cryptocurrency manipulation have been mentioned and discussed many times in the past in this forum especially a time when the market is down. There are also reports from online media that some big amount of ethereum have been transferred by a whale to a certain crypto exchange. If cryptocurrencies are really manipulated by the whales then the next bullrun will no longer dictated by supply and demand. 

I'm afraid the price may drop to 1,000.It sounds scary, of course.But you have to face the truth.This is a complete failure of the gentlemen, we were cheated again.

Yes, now cryptocurrency is weak and vulnerable as ever.We did not expect such a failure.In one year everything was gone.We were expecting trouble and were prepared for it.But the fact that we'll lose without a fight was not expecting anyone.If bitcoin drops another 1,000, I'll just forget about it as a bad dream.

For some people, yes. But I guess the market has still more capital to be manipulated, but who knows. Maybe they can do something about it now.

You can say so based on the fact of low capital volume in the market at the moment but low volume can also means that even a manipulation present itself the manipulator will not be able to gain much from the market as well, it is like no point to manipulate when the market volume is low.

i think the private banks/ elite/ illuminati/ whatever you want to call them are working on destroying bitcoin by a 51% attack on mining. that why i say zero because its the only way bitcoin could ever reach that price. bear in mind that we did once flash crash to zero during the mtgox hack.

The market cap amount is affect by varieties of coins in the coin market cap so that has little influence to the situation of bitcoin at hand the market can always be manipulated even before now the whales has always controlled the market a bit

Mt. Gox hacked is different scenario. They have all the majority of bitcoins that time because they're the only crypto exchanges that traders.

No one thinks that the market is dead except for people who wanted to spread FUD here. As for the market cap going down, its pretty obvious because we're in a bear market, its $115 billion right now, but I guess we're going to hold on $100 b and the support is going to be strong.

I somehow agree. I mean, look at what's happening now. Most of the coins can't seem to take a break from the dumps that's been happening all around. It's really hard for them to recuperate due to several factors but mostly because of how the negative market trends keep on affecting most of the coins that it's really becoming hard to recover. One good example is Ethereum, it has been in a steady decline these days despite all the favorable news that so to speak one would expect to help it gain.

The whales never stopped to manipulate the cryptocurrencies. Naturally, now, when they have already concentrated the largest part of Bitcoins and the top-20 cryptocurrencies, it has become easier fo them.

I am sure every big investor will surely want to cut loses and sell to avoid losing more.  Hence the market cap will still possibly go down low.  Many have predicted we will go below 3000$ and I think we should see 2500$ or lower before it stabilizes and consistently move forward.  Nothing is dead here,  manipulation will keep on happening.  Everyone should be wise and make good decisions. 

Manipulation is not new thing in Crypto, particularly Bitcoin, because only few people hold the greatest amount. As for the price, we see very low prices expectations because the sentiment is extremely bearish, but some are unreasonable. However, it is big opportunity for some entities to collect more Bitcoin, that why we watch such prices, but I believe this situation is good for the future of Bitcoin.

I think this volatility will be as temporary as all previous times. This is a difficult period for investors and can bring negative consequences for bitcoins, but I'm really sure that this unfavorable period will soon end.

I still believe that large investors can influence cryptocurrencies to some extent and artificially manipulate the value. But I hope that this will not have serious negative consequences for bitcoin and this cryptocurrency in General.

The new market cap as a result of the bearish market is still not a gurantee that the crypto market will be manipulated since the market is decentralze and no other group of people can influence the price.

yes, this year's market capitalization is very bad, market volume has fallen drastically, I see a very large transaction on every exchange, and I think, that is the influence of battle of hashes.

yes, the recovery of the BTC market requires a long time, we cannot even predict it.

I am not too sure, but it is possible to manipulate the price of Bitcoin and Altcoin by "WHALE". we know that "WHALE" is able to do that, manipulating prices for their own interests and benefits. so I feel that for now, the price of Bitcoin and Altcoin is very vulnerable to manipulation.

Yes it is easier to pump now and pull back its market price because of lo market price for btc. Even @6k usd per brc was already controlled and manipulated how much more that nowadays btc market price drop 50% and mark @ 3.5k usd market price? Indeed so easy for them ro earn more.

Btw now I was thinking what will happen if coinmarketcup suddenly removed any top exchanger or for example any of them suddenly stopped withdraw option or stopped registration of new accounts, once all of these was done in different time. Or imagine any damagable text from somehow reputable persons or governments, would be interesting scenario, what will happen to bitcoin...

we also have the choice of maintaining bitcoin until prices grow better than now in order to gain profit if selling today will get a loss then the best step is to keep bitcoin.

The creation of cryptocurrency prices due to demand and supply. Without that the price is stable and not attractive to cryptocurrency investors. Therefore many data manipulations have been created through both online and conventional media that aim to influence prices to go up or down. The psychological owner of bitcoin is very influential in selling and buying cryptocurrency.

Essentially this - the only people who would actually be able to manipulate the market would be the top rich, and we wouldn't exactly be able to identify correctly who and IF this is taking place.

Some have mentioned wiping out alt-coins as a method to increase the price of BTC for example; not entirely sure this would work, nor would it be cheap.

BTC will never be below 2k
for the problem of market manipulation, it is not easy for me to do that, but this is very easy to do for government institutions and also financial institutions with mass media in creating issues about bitcoin
just imagine if the American government banned the use of bitcoin in his country, then what will happen is a big crash,
really the decision of a president here really determines the fate of bitcoin

you don't have to be "top rich" to be able to manipulate bitcoin price. the market is big but not that big to be immune to manipulators with a moderately large amount of money. and so far the manipulation has been an elaborate dump with FUD and drama which helps make weak hands panic sell.

as for altcoins, even if they disappeared today it wouldn't change a thing for bitcoin because majority of people are not investing money in altcoins. they are investing their bitcoin in altcoins to make profit on their bitcoins.

If you saw what bitcoin touched last year you would be very much sure how much manipulated the market is. There is Tether, Hedge funds and locked up wallets all ready to dump their coins whenever they wish to cashing out on the free market as and when they wish. Thing is if you want to survive in the midst of this you need take decisive steps.
 
1. Do not get FOMOed as to buying some new coin.
2. Keep your portfolio short and simple and do not try to diversify too much.
3. Sell when you see a big bull run and dont keep on hodling till everyone has cashed out.
4. Be patient when there is a bear run.

This just indicate how this market can make you rich overnight and can make you lose in a minute. And we can't do anything about this, either we quit or just keep holding. The market is not yet dead but more likely an accumulation stage for everyone and those who lose trust were easily swayed and will regret afterwards. We've seen this before and those who remain are the one who will sit on their profit later on.

The shenanigans going on with bitcoin lead to the state in which bitcoin is today is as a result of whale manipulations.The whales take advantage of selloffs by shorting bitcoin and strengthen their monopoly of the market. They can acquire more bitcoins at lower prices before driving prices higher again. I do not think the whales anticipated so much downtrend in bitcoin. BTC and altcoins will be easier to be manipulated now for the whales can acquire so much at little cost.

I think the recovery took a long time because many investors were disappointed and left. unless there will be good news coming including news of ETF approval I think it will be fast for price recovery

Keep thinking and hoping to your mind-created gods that ETFs get approved while in reality people have become very much aware that its not going to happen. They keep postponing and delaying. Its just another symbol of governments not willing to interfere with money that is considered as "dirty/criminal" and not the federal banks notes.

Stop posting one liners to increase your post count. Please do read a bit so you contribute better to the forum and lessen the shitposting load which the moderators have to clean up after you complete your daily poop-posting quota.

it's not easy to manipulate bitcon and altcoins because the price is so low now and few investors have invested in it not so much that it's very easy to manipulate because its price is higher and it's still faster.

I have been shouting for this issue for long now but until this moment still there is no proof or evidence that may prove about manipulating that happening in crypto community but i know that theres a investigation on going now from US about this and hoping it will be resolved soon.

Manipulating this small capitalization is too easy because we are only talking 100$ billions here,and asking until how lon will this be?the answer is indefinite,maybe until tomorrow or a year no one really knows

It is difficult to manipulation in Bitcoin and Altcoin. Many companies develop new new preservation to save the crypto market from the manipulation of the Crypto Market. That is not that I will never be able to manipulation in the crypto market.

Many speculator's that transmitting of stocks of Bitcoin to another is actually changed the number of world wide ledger and definitely confirmed if the value regular viewable at block chain market but the big question is why until now it will continuously going down the price.