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I've noticed something that I haven't seen mentioned. I'd like your help identifying the symbol on Dorian Nakamoto's hat in the picture in this link (as well as if the site/pic looks legit).

http://www.dotphoto.com/ViewAlbum.asp?AID=6557679&IID=261245736 (http://www.dotphoto.com/ViewAlbum.asp?AID=6557679&IID=261245736)

http://img.dotphoto.com/i/m/7C712078-0356-4E3F-83DA-80C4709B8BF0/261245736.jpg

It is dated 8-19-12

https://i.imgur.com/2ftMppv.jpg


The most obvious and likely explanation would be that it is related to railway signs. So far I haven't been able to locate any just like that though.

The closest thing I have been able to find to it so far is the anarcho-capitalist flag:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Ancapflag.svg/220px-Ancapflag.svg.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalist_symbolism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalist_symbolism)


In fact if you google image search for anarcho-capitalist hats and merchandise you will find things that like this:

https://i.imgur.com/yxyQ41K.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/nTt1EwA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DFT9TQd.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/2ftMppv.jpg

I had never seen the anarcho-capitalist flag until I started to look for symbols that could be circular with half gold/yellow and half black like the one on Dorian's hat.  The fact that the black and yellow were on the correct sides and at the correct angle made them the closest match of ANY images I could find.  BUT, Dorian's hat is not exactly the same in that the design has an outer circle. I would like to know what this hat and symbol represents. Maybe it's something obvious and you can tell me what an idiot I am for not knowing what it is. Thank you for any help with this!

How is this relevant to the Bitcoin Discussion?

Interesting....
40% of me thinks Dorian is Satoshi, and 60 doesn't

I tried google reverse image search but it rather searches by a yellowish color instead of the symbol. Maybe if you recreate the symbol you can find it that way.

Dorian could have been the guy behind the cryptography/math side of bitcoin, but sincerely doubt he did the communications part.

The cover story of Newsweek is about him being the inventor of bitcoin.  True or false, if you don't see how that's relevant, I don’t have time to try to convince you, sorry.

I don't think Dorian is an anarchist, he participates in local government and town hall meetings, were he public states he loves his town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KLaskPoc7g

see at around 21 minutes.

It is reminiscent of the eurotunnel logo so the cap could be a purchase from a visit or trip through a new rail tunnel. Japan has a few substantial rail tunnels. The writing on the side of the cap - could it be Japanese lettering? 

Mr. Nakamoto is far too intelligent to be one of those suburban-white kid clueless-about-the-rest-of-the-world douchebag an-caps.

You know it's only dumbass rich white kids who are an-caps, right? You dipshits damage the good name of anarchism in your horrendous ignorance.

Real anarchists don't like coercion and force. Real anarchists despise markets, capitalism, and exploitation.

Please read: http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionF

Preach on Comrade. I suggest you free yourself from that evil capitalist tool called Bitcoin. Private keys should be shared with all or destroyed so the wealth is equally distributed to all. Bitcoin must be a nefarious tool as it allows evil, and very white, anarcho-capitalists to hoard and hide their wealth amongst many different anonymous addresses rather than forcing equal distribution of wealth amongst our syndicate in an egalitarian fashion. I am sure you have an alt that would enforce attaching identities to wallets instead so we can insure a fair distribution of resources amongst our brethren in the collective.  :P

Can confirm.

I was unable to find the exact logo, but I did manage to find this...




"In black and yellow gold. The Anarchy symbol. The best known symbol of Anarchism. Combining a circle and the letter a. This unique design incorporates the black and gold or yellow Anarcho Capitalist, Market Anarchist, libertarian anarchy flag and colors."

Apparently the C (half moon) shape can be associated with crypto-anarchism https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Anarchism , Crypto Libertarianism and Libertarian Entrepreneurship when in yellow or gold. https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

The very fact that this logo has no anarchy symbol might suggest Crypto Libertarian Entrepreneurship in action.

I very much doubt that there is such a thing as the Crypto Libertarian Model Railway Club ?

See: The Tech Model Railroad Club of MIT - http://youtu.be/STVdCJaG0bY?t=3m

Dorian S Nakamoto is quite clearly a genius with some political views that would seem to fit with the early days of this forum and perhaps also had the ability to develop parts of Bitcoin.

or perhaps this guy was actually framed, is a scapegoat https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat or was even hacked by a group or by his employers ?

There are many good and very intelligent people that have done important work on high level government or related projects and they have absolutely no idea what they have been working on.

I will quote a reversed anonymous style statement : "I'm autonomous. I stand alone. I don't want forgiveness, I've done nothing wrong. I do forget stuff, so don't expect me."

Consider this Satoshi. This is not Satoshi. There is no Satoshi. I'm not Satoshi. You are not Satoshi. We are all Satoshi.  8)

Furthermore, might I suggest that lunch on Bitcoin Pizza day is now free for everyone !

Wow this is actually the most compelling thing I've seen. I'm not sold it's him, but very interesting. I mean the chances of a completely normal person wearing a clear ancap logo has got to be rare right?


There's plenty of an cap academics you dolt. There's also smart people who believe stupid things

The History of The Tech Model Railroad Club of MIT is considered very important for all 'hackers'...

See: Anonymous The Story of the Hacktivists Full Documentary) - http://youtu.be/2rlfJ4V7Zu0?t=6m30s

These are true jokes and pranks for the lulz !

" A pessimist is never disappointed "
 

04 March 2014. Hmm. Seems to me that if I were trying really hard to convince the world that I was not some crazy crypto-anarchist, I would have routinely participated in local government throughout the years. I might also write letters to city gov in crappy, broken english so that people say "yeah, defo not Satoshi." The man worked for the U.S. Gov for many years in top-security-clearance research positions, likely had to write many reports, the chance that he actually writes like a 7th grader is slim to none.
I would also intentionally mispronounce Bitcoin as "Bitcom" in an AP interview. "Look, see, he mispronounced Bitcoin. Since it is impossible to do that intentionally unless you have a Doctorate degree in acting and theatre, he must not be Satoshi, QED."
For the record I'm not saying he's Satoshi as there is not enough proof; nor am I saying he's not Satoshi. I love how people tend to gravitate towards "He's Satoshi!1" or "He's not Satoshi!1" when there is really not definitive evidence to support either conclusion. Learn to get comfortable with gray areas! Sometimes there is not a QED and you have to be patient ;-)

Plus there's the whole part where he worked for the government on classified projects.


His brother claimed he had a stroke at some point, could be after he wrote bitcoin. A stroke can cause mental impairment.  If he did have a stroke he might not even remember how to access his old private keys.

Also, when people get older they tend to speak more slowly, I've noticed. Even if they were very intelligent when they were younger.

Hmm, that's a fair point actually. Just look at all the religious "scientists".

/r/trains doesn't seem to recognize the logo.

http://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1zze8b/rtrains_please_help_could_you_identify_this_symbol/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1zze8b/rtrains_please_help_could_you_identify_this_symbol/)

Shit's getting cray.

Could just be some yin-yang variant.

Also if someone makes a copy of the logo and does a google image search for it, there might be some hits.

https://i.imgur.com/FpsKbnH.png

Alternative explanation: he really likes Ecco Domani wine, and made himself a really half-assed / crooked logo:

https://i.imgur.com/VIsgJDf.png

Or, the powers that be are fucking with me, being that that's my birthday, just turned 54, 10 years younger than Dorian.

First thing anarchists would do if they came to power is remove all traffic lights and stop signs!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/13053516085_5b01259a40_o.jpg

Masons have their secret handshake, now bitcoiners have their secret symbol.

Came to this thread thinking lol wtf are people on about now but well I do really like that img  ;D


@Phinnaeus Gage sent Pm you mud slinging nut job ;D joke joke but no really i sent you a PM

Or maybe the dude just pick this cap up at some random store because the sun was in his eyes and he couldn't be sure he wouldn't cause a rail accident while operation the morning service with inpared vision.

Its called taking some responsibility and I applaud him for it because trains are serious business.

Edit: I stand corrected from the angle of the sun we can assume its well past the morning service.

An-cap-cap?

21 minutes?

21 million bitcoins?

Illermity.

I'm a bit of a train buff, and I don't recognize that logo. I can't associate it with any American railroad.

So, I did some research into the Ecco Domani wine company logo which is somewhat similar.

It seems the company name can be translated as "here's tomorrow" or "there's tomorrow".

I found another forum which more accurately translates the phrase as "here's to tomorrow" which seems to originate from a very old Italian toasting custom "Ecco IL Domani". This can be directly translated as "This is what tomorrow is".

"Ecco" - Here is, there is
"Eccomi" - Here I am
"Eccolo" - Here it is (masculine)

"Ecco" is an important word.

"Domani" is tomorrow.

Interestingly enough, most Italians don't seem to recognize this phrase as a modern toasting custom. Perhaps there are other links to be found in Latin and/or secret society symbolism ?

Even though you are likely joking, it would be great if "secret symbols", especially masonic-type ones, would keep themselves associated only with Fiat. (Very, very hard to beat the creepiness of the symbols in present Fiat bills though...).

lol come on guys we taking this a bit far ?

Or perhaps there is no secret meaning, and it's just a hat with an abstract logo?!

Indeed. Although, not really. Its already on the internet anyway.

Dorian has already confirmed that he is not Satoshi and Satoshi has already confirmed that he/she/they are not Dorian.

However, said Dorian Satoshi 'Locomoto' is obviously a 'Blocktrain' enthusiast and is perhaps wearing a cap with what would appear to be a Crypto Libertarian / Entrepreneurship style symbol on it which could also be interpreted as 'here I am and welcome to the future'.

This is both conspiracy theory and the stuff of true legend 'hidden in plain sight' or alternatively just a load of coincidental bunkum !

Did anyone really expect anything less ?

Some great information and research, thank you.  I am still looking through everything.

Allow me to go full tin-foil for a moment to mention that several people have previously brought up the "Laughing Man" in the context of Satoshi:

The Laughing Man is from the animated series Ghost in the Shell.  Laughing Man logo:

https://i.imgur.com/HJGsiUl.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_Man_(Ghost_in_the_Shell) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughing_Man_(Ghost_in_the_Shell))


Here is a previous logo someone had made regarding satoshi:

https://i.imgur.com/q054bnV.jpg

Here's some new material i stumbled upon to throw into the conspiracy-soup:


Concentric Yin-Yang
Another fairly rare version of the yin-yang is one that uses concentric circles divided in half and alternating black and white to each side.

http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/image10751.jpg
Diagram F—Concentric Yin-Yang

Some versions also have the centre circle split between black and white, whilst other versions keep this blank and so representing the pure seed from which all of creation is born.  Where five concentric circles surround the inner circle – this can be seen as the manifestation of the five elements (Earth, Metal, Water, Wood and Fire), each with their yin and yang aspects.

source : http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/Page1058.htm (http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/Page1058.htm)

it is:

an an-cap cap

Maybe this: http://www.ingersoll-imc.de/1/home/

https://www.facebook.com/ingersollcuttingtools (https://www.facebook.com/ingersollcuttingtools)


https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-frc1/t1/c15.12.149.149/228313_213035365385946_6138560_a.jpg
mystery solved?

Dorian probably got that hat for free after purchasing tools for his trains.

I think we may have ourselves a winner.

https://www.facebook.com/ingersollcuttingtools (https://www.facebook.com/ingersollcuttingtools)

EDIT: well done! thank you!

Please tell me we've learned a lesson here about scrambling to make tenuous connections in support of snap judgments? No?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conspiracy_theories.png

Even closer:
http://tverdysplav.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/logo_ing.jpg

http://tverdysplav.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/logo_ing.jpg

Correct. This company has produced baseball caps.

Here is an example of a newer version:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Ingersoll-Cutting-Tools-Black-Baseball-Cap-Hat-New-Adjustable-Milling-CNC-/111271510564

Now we just need to find out why this company also choose this logo and if these baseball hats were produced by them.

Various company logos have been shown to contain all sorts of symbolism or not as the case may be.

Please stop spreading this FUD. * Jokes *

  :D    :D    :D

http://www.fabricatingandmetalworking.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1157RR3ptnr.jpg

img url: http://www.fabricatingandmetalworking.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1157RR3ptnr.jpg
web url: http://www.fabricatingandmetalworking.com/2013/03/large-holes-larger-savings/

ROFL! <3

Anyway, anarchists don't want power, they want to eradicate all unjustifiable authority, all "power".

"Various company logos have been shown to contain all sorts of symbolism or not as the case may be."

Examples, from the 'crazy' conspiracy theorists;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rxo4oJfccE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ygwq0MJk-g

Please let him alone  >:(

Good job boys!
I love how we can get to the bottom of things! Ok.. it's a cutting tool company hat!

Whats next?!

It could be him.

OP obviously Photoshopped the original image, changing the logo and cloning Leah Goodman off of the train tracks. Here is the original...

https://i.imgur.com/ZVBUQGa.jpg

Before you have too much fun here step back and look a bit closer at all the connections.
Ingersoll have a catalog for their high precision drill tips available in Japanese:
Now WHY would that be the case for an engineering firm......based in Illinois???

http://www.ingersoll-imc.com/en/products/Ingersoll_Japanase_Cat_08.02.003.pdf (http://www.ingersoll-imc.com/en/products/Ingersoll_Japanase_Cat_08.02.003.pdf)


As you can see from the front page, Ingersoll are partnered here with TaeguTec
Now this is interesting....TaeguTec also use a logo symbol (TT) probablly also used on caps, but I'll leave that for someone else to investigate.
The other significant thing I uncovered (and this is big) was the iconography being used by TaeguTec - LOOK at this, is it Bitcoins or WHAT?!

http://www.demircelik.com.tr/haber_img/taegutec-turkiye-yeni-fabrika-yatirim-acilis-toreni-icin-musterilerini-kore8217de-agirladi-_268.jpg



That is way too much of a coincidence. Seriously...this runs DEEP. They are clearly involved with Bitcoins in a significangt way. It's just too blatent.

So many possibilities to explain what is going on but I would begin by suggesting that Dorian is the real Nakamoto, he clearly works for Intersoll who have partner with TaeguTec and together they are planning to tunnel directly into the blockchain using dark technology Gold-tipped liquid cooled Drill bits. Now clearly there must be an end-goal here as just tunneling into the blockchain is not going to achieve much - previous attempts were quickly sealed by the community. The idea must therefore be for Satoshi to send one of his trains into the tunnel to recover his lost BTC. Think about it, a grown man of his incredible foresight and intelligence playing with choo-choo Trains and drill-bits? It can't be for fun. He must have lost his private keys (as has been long suspected) and sees this sort of direct drill malleability attack as the one certain method of success and gaining access once again to his millions of Dollars worth of coins.

If Dorian is the originator of the blockchian then he most certainly knows the location of a backdoor where a combined 'super-maximal' forced drill attempt could most likely succeed.

No one has picked up on this yet!?!  :)

Its logical to assume Dorian knows which company's logo is on his cap.  The answer to the logo mystery came from an account that seems to have been created for the sole purpose of supplying the answer (check the creation date and post count of 1).  Is this Dorian?  That nick is interesting, it appears to be a shift-30 caesar cypher pointing to "Q F" or "I X"?  Perhaps there is a clue to his/her identity there.  Satoshi knows about cyphers, so this may be more evidence pointing to Dorian being Satoshi!  Furthermore, is this how Satoshi retains his anonymity on the forum, by creating a new account for each post?

M30B30, you drive a BMW?  ;D

Am I the only one who realized the deliberate symbolism here? It's so obvious it's more of a coded message, Bitcoin IS the CUTTING TOOL that Dorian is giving us all to CUT THROUGH THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL SYSTEM and create ANARCHO-CAPITALISM!!! And that's CAPITALISM, in all CAPITALS!!! Coincidence??? Is everyone BLIND???

Half joking, half serious, but was on the serious side of the fence when I suggested it.

This is my favorite post in this thread to date. Well-penned!

It's people like you that take all the fun outta everything. BTW, excellent find, bud.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/13068405275_e37b4aa189_n.jpg

I'm diggin the sideways tilt, and to think the media tried to say he wasn't "hip"... All kidding aside, who ever this guy is seems like an interesting dude, and I can relate to him (IF he is who they think he is) more than the blue money trust fund babies all grown up running wall st. Dorian seems like a regular dude, and he might maybe was unimpressed with banks enough that he decided to get off his ass and design something to solve it. I dunno, maybe it's not the right guy, but if he is the face of Bitcoin that's okay with me.

Now we just need to get Ingersol to take bitcoin!

LOL, just like I said earlier in the post...

A man that does not care about fashion, wears whatever.. That hat probably was a freebee along with some tools he bought...

You conspiracy nuts...