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Title: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Jet Cash on December 23, 2018, 05:23:10 PM
I've had another one that has been flagged as bad, and I didn't get any explanation, or even a comment on the one that was alleged to be bad. Obviously my judgement is not good enough, and 9 others have been marked as unhandled ( ignored ).

Without any feedback, people will just say "stuff it!".

I was going to report this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088685.0
but it's got an image in it, so maybe the kindergarten here will like it. I didn't open the image by the way.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: stompix on December 23, 2018, 05:37:47 PM
Out of curiosity, which posts you've reported and it was marked as bad?

As for the unhandled, probably no mod was available after all, is nearly it's nearly x-mas. I had reports sitting there like that for days but in the end, they were solved and I must add, all of them!

Ps.
I took the liberty of reporting the topic you've linked, although I find the image quite interesting and the file name might be a solution in the hunt for satoshi  ;D ;D

I didn't open the image by the way.

How could you?  :o

https://i.imgur.com/JC7kWkh.png

No jk! That's the one!


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 23, 2018, 05:53:07 PM
A lot of things that are reportable are subjective. Many posts that are reported for things like spam, trolling, low value, pointless, etc. don't have a clear and obvious "yes or no" answer like there is with plagiarism. If the mod who handles them disagrees, then your report will be marked as bad or unhandled.

I've had a handful of bad reports, and a larger handful of unhandled ones. That hasn't stopped me, and it shouldn't stop you. It would be far too time consuming for mods to explain their decision making on every report. Don't take it personally - just move on.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: hilariousandco on December 23, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
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Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

You reported something as plagiarism but the person provided the source link so that's probably why it was marked as bad.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: cryptohunter on December 23, 2018, 06:12:13 PM
whack a mole is not an answer don't worry about it - it is a short term measure we need a long term solution.. we need to get to the route of the motivation to produce this junk and see what we can do about it.

it is actually a good thing that all this snitcher mentality is soon to be  replaced with a fair and transparent rewarding mentality

actually we need to get to the source of this entire issue rather than trying to leave the motivation there then trying to stop people being human beings then pretending here we are not exactly the same as them and doing the same things with impunity....they are trying to game the system because they are able to and consider it unfair.

don't worry though I will soon have a few ideas to improve things... leave it to me. that is what being really net positive is about...changing things for the better

actually the entire centralised spiral of control that is forming just underneath actual mod level will need to be completely rooted out and we need to get back to a fairer and more trustless decentralised system

paid2post is merely the fuel that the merit and trust system uses to steer the system to their benefit and it is strange to me that both systems are totally subjective and controlled by some of the same people.

Don't worry though change for the better is on the way.

I think all these financially motivated copy and pastes will be killed off in one way fast. Remove sigs from everyone except mods to pay for their time. It will reduce the spam over night to virtually zero. You will then need to just tackle fake conversations which is actually far more difficult

I was hoping the price collapse of bitcoin and alts would have resulted in a lot of it passing away naturally but it has not had as much effect as I had expected. Last collapse and the boards went back to being very quite and the old posters returned this has not happened this time.





Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: r1s2g3 on December 23, 2018, 08:06:10 PM
Do not worry about bad reports, If you do not report then how do you know it can be turned bad?
1 good report is always worth.
It will be really tough for mod to give reasons for each reports and I guess you should worry reporting if your accuracy falls below 90% otherwise keep reporting.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Infinixhot1996 on December 23, 2018, 09:03:38 PM
I was going to report this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088685.0
The thread has been trashed already
MODS are also humans and they sure have loads of reports which takes time to handle one after the time,with contrasting views which then consumes more time
For the fact you and a mod or mods share different views on a reported subject is no reason to stop,not In my opinion


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Kopyleft on December 23, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
Active moderators being stretched thin among the various boards could be the reason for the unhandled reports. And it's possible to have had a bad report especially when reporting many in a short space of time, and it's also possible that the mod incorrectly market it bad.

However, none of these should dissuade you from reporting. One good report is worth more than many bad reports.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: DdmrDdmr on December 23, 2018, 09:22:39 PM
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I was rather baffled about my bad reports at first, and seeing bad reports back then without knowing full well why they were bad buggered me slightly. Nevertheless, once the report history was made available, at least I could see which of my recent reports were on which state. For me that was good enough, and while I cannot always grasp why a certain status is marked, the bigger picture still leaves 99% accuracy, 6 bad and 13 unhandled. Compared to those marked as good, those bad or unhandled are irrelevant, being those marked good a drop towards a global forum benefit. I would just move on as usual and not give it much thought.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Lafu on December 23, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
You should dont give much at Bad reports as far the bad reports not higher as the good reports !   :D

Sometimes i reported the same Post or thread 2 times in the past , guess the half of my Bad reports are coming this way , lol !

Just keep reporting , dont let the Spammers and Shitposters win this WAR !  ;D


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: TimtheYoutuber on December 24, 2018, 05:37:26 AM
I probably haven't reported nearly as much as you, but I would stick with it. If you enjoy the forums then it is best to report.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on December 24, 2018, 06:00:46 AM
Oh come on, Jet Cash!  Don't get frustrated and give up so easily just because a few of your reports are either unhandled or marked bad.  How many posts have your reported in total, anyway, and what's your report percentage? 

This is me:  "You have reported 4049 posts with 99% accuracy (3561 good, 65 bad, 423 unhandled).".  Mods have obviously ignored (or just didn't act on) over 10% of my reports, and I've obviously had a lot of bad ones too, but I'm completely indifferent about those numbers.  The main thing for me is that when I report a post, it gives me the feeling that I've done something, and after that it's out of my hands.

Jet Cash, I've always suspected that you're a type A personality who likes to get things done and is fond of being in control of situations.  Am I in the ballpark?  I'm almost the exact opposite of that, so that makes it easier for me to accept any bad reports I make.  Please don't give up the fight, because I think your judgement on what constitutes a bad post is pretty good.  You just have to accept that the outcomes of your reporting aren't under your control and mods aren't always going to agree with you.  Keep up the reporting; the forum needs members like you who are trying their best to make it better.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Jet Cash on December 24, 2018, 06:21:56 AM
I think I've only reported about 100 posts with 97% accuracy, but I see that as 3% failure. If I fail. then I like to know the reason for the failure so that I can improve my performance. I was going to report the thread I mentioned because of the title, and the lack of information in the OP. Normally I wouldn't have opened the thread, but I was in one of my "Lets improve the Internet" moods. :)

Did I read that it is now possible to view a listing of our post reports. If so, that would solve the problem for me.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: hilariousandco on December 24, 2018, 11:09:53 AM
I think I've only reported about 100 posts with 97% accuracy, but I see that as 3% failure. If I fail. then I like to know the reason for the failure so that I can improve my performance. I was going to report the thread I mentioned because of the title, and the lack of information in the OP. Normally I wouldn't have opened the thread, but I was in one of my "Lets improve the Internet" moods. :)

Did I read that it is now possible to view a listing of our post reports. If so, that would solve the problem for me.

I think you need to have reported a minimum of 300 posts or something before that becomes available. Don't be disheartened by one bad report. They help us out and I think pretty much everyone gets them. Just learn from the mistake and if something has a source link then it's probably best not to report it.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: bitmover on December 24, 2018, 11:11:10 AM

Did I read that it is now possible to view a listing of our post reports. If so, that would solve the problem for me.

You need to make 300 reports to see your reporting history.

Unhandled reports are not ignored, they are just waiting for the moderator (they will be marked as good or bad soon).

I think the word "bad" is too strong, and may be discouraging for the reporter. If it were "inaccurate report" it would be much better than "bad report"


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 24, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Unhandled reports are not ignored, they are just waiting for the moderator (they will be marked as good or bad soon).

You are right in saying that have not been ignored, but not all reports will eventually be marked as good or bad. Some are left unhandled indefinitely. For example, if a mod agrees with whatever you wrote in the report, but think it isn't severe enough to be marked as "good" and delete the post in question, it may just be left unhandled forever. As stated at the top of the report page, you can think of unhandled as a "soft bad", as your report was correct, just not strong enough to warrant deletion.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Lucius on December 24, 2018, 12:31:01 PM
I have 99% accuracy with approximately 300 reported posts so far, only 5 marked as bad - but I think this is normal to make mistake, for users who report posts and for moderators. I think the worst option is to stop reporting bad posts, if this option does not exist on forum it is hard to imagine how it would look bad then.

Perhaps some people consider bad or unhandled reported posts as something that is their fault, but we should look at it on the bright side - any help to forum moderators/admins to keep this forum clean can only be positive thing.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Findingnemo on December 24, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
Moderators are also human,so they may have did wrong analysis about your reported post and give wrong button as bad report,but it doesn't mean you are not capable of reporting the posts,keep doing and make the forum clean veterans. ;)
I was going to report this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088685.0
but it's got an image in it, so maybe the kindergarten here will like it. I didn't open the image by the way.

The thread you have reported were deleted,so you did with accurate analysis,one more good report for you.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Marshall14 on December 24, 2018, 02:05:15 PM
I think I've only reported about 100 posts with 97% accuracy
That's pretty much a good score and should not be one to worry much about,as their are very few users with a 100% accuracy(if there are any)
I think Its for this very reason theymos included the phrase that we should not be to worried about accuracy score

Apparently your 97% score is worth more than the 3% inaccurate ones


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: xtraelv on December 24, 2018, 02:12:18 PM
I have 1336 posts with 100% accuracy (1312 good, 8 bad, 16 unhandled)
Which means 1312 shit posts were deleted.  Some of the ones marked bad were deleted by the moderator anyway.

The unhandled ones might have been handled in a different way or just too difficult to handle.
You will get better over time with knowing what the moderators are looking for and consider a good report.

The occasional bad report really doesn't matter. During peak times I've had lots of unhandled reports stay unhandled for some time - or forever. It is not unusual.

My bad reports reduced over time so you can easily get from 97% accuracy to 100% accuracy.

Bad reports are only a guide - it is not a reprimand.  ;D

https://i.imgur.com/gyC0Xsx.png

After 300 reports you get more feedback.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 24, 2018, 02:33:52 PM
Bad reports are only a guide - it is not a reprimand.  ;D

Exactly. The last thing we need right now is experienced users giving up on reporting, even if your numbers are on the low side. It is much more sustainable to have hundreds of users reporting 5 posts a day than it is for 10 users to be reporting hundreds of posts each. Every little helps.

If every report you make is "good", then it probably means you are only reporting the most obvious of the obvious and are not reporting many posts that you should.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Welsh on December 24, 2018, 02:50:15 PM
I heard those that report Santa rewards generously :p

I wouldn't be worried about reports being marked bad if I were you. You can always message the moderator that you think dealt with it. It's pretty easy to work out sometimes, and like this instance your report was a genuine bad report.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: Jet Cash on December 24, 2018, 03:59:29 PM
I still don't know which one was bad. I didn't report the one in the OP. As has been suggested, it's all subjective. I put people on ignore for starting threads with all caps titles, but I don't think that rates as a capital offence here. :)


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: hilariousandco on December 24, 2018, 04:05:59 PM
I still don't know which one was bad. I didn't report the one in the OP. As has been suggested, it's all subjective. I put people on ignore for starting threads with all caps titles, but I don't think that rates as a capital offence here. :)

You reported something as plagiarism but the person provided the source link so that's probably why it was marked as bad.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: examplens on December 25, 2018, 10:57:53 AM
I think I've only reported about 100 posts with 97% accuracy, but I see that as 3% failure. If I fail. then I like to know the reason for the failure so that I can improve my performance. I was going to report the thread I mentioned because of the title, and the lack of information in the OP. Normally I wouldn't have opened the thread, but I was in one of my "Lets improve the Internet" moods. :)

Did I read that it is now possible to view a listing of our post reports. If so, that would solve the problem for me.

you can have a different view. 97% accuracy is a good rate, you were too strict only in 3%. I also think you will have a better picture with 500+ reports.
Few of my reports results in closing big spam megathreads and it was deleted 20+ spam pages. although it counts as one reports am satisfied because I help to remove an attempt to promotion trash service.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: bitart on January 02, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
I think I've only reported about 100 posts with 97% accuracy, but I see that as 3% failure. If I fail. then I like to know the reason for the failure so that I can improve my performance. I was going to report the thread I mentioned because of the title, and the lack of information in the OP. Normally I wouldn't have opened the thread, but I was in one of my "Lets improve the Internet" moods. :)

Did I read that it is now possible to view a listing of our post reports. If so, that would solve the problem for me.
There's no need to stop reporting, because of the accuracy. I had also 97% before, even lower around 95%, when I have reported only a few hundred posts, but now I'm improving my accuracy...
Code:
You have reported 763 posts with 99% accuracy (741 good, 10 bad, 12 unhandled).
I have managed to get back to 99%, but I've slowed down and I only report something if I'm 100% sure that it will be a good report. Still, I have to report a few hundred posts more and I can reach the 100% accuracy again (e.g. 10 bad vs. 1001 good, that's only 0,99999999% bad, hopefully 100% good :) ).
I know that this is not the preferred kind of reporting style, but I'm a kind of perfectionist... if something can be 100%, I have to go for the 100%.
So keep calm and report on :D


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 02, 2019, 11:14:21 PM
Still, I have to report a few hundred posts more and I can reach the 100% accuracy again (e.g. 10 bad vs. 1001 good, that's only 0,99999999% bad, hopefully 100% good :) ).

You are correct. The reporting accuracy always rounds up, so 99.00001% will be reported as 100%. Given you have made 10 bad reports, making 991 good would mean 991/1001 were good (99.0001%), and your accuracy would read 100%. Broadly speaking, you can make 1 bad report for every 100 good ones that you make and still maintain 100% accuracy.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: suchmoon on January 03, 2019, 12:21:29 AM
If accuracy is the goal I reckon almost anyone can reach 100% in an afternoon... there is certainly no lack of absolutely absurd abysmal abhorrent abominable garbage to be reported. I started reporting plagiarism en masse a few months ago and I thought I was gonna start running out of low-hanging fruit within a couple of weeks. So youthfully naïve.

We need to have more reporters (and a corresponding number of moderators to handle the crap) than shitposters if we want to turn the tide. So don't quit JC, at least not until some massive anti-shitposting reform happens, like bump/sort change, and/or tighter merit requirement for signatures, and/or serious crackdown on ban evasion.


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: TheBeardedBaby on January 03, 2019, 12:37:53 AM
C'mon Jet, I was on vacation, lying on the beach, reporting and enjoying life, and you are giving up on something sooooo satisfaing as ruin someone's dirty plans to cheat the system.
Don't give up, just make it a part of your morning coffee/tea ritual and you'll see how beautiful the life can be. :)


Title: Re: I've stopped reporting posts
Post by: roycilik on January 08, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
I still don't know which one was bad
I have 4 bad reports (I don't care) :D
when I get Bad report, I will revenge Moderator with massive reports, lol


Don't give up, just make it a part of your morning coffee/tea ritual and you'll see how beautiful the life can be. :)
when I have free time, I can report more than 30-50 posts in a day
I'm proud of our moderator (dbshck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153634) and sapta (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=347141)) they are very responsible


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