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all start with cryptohunter not agree when one of central gang say "pre merit legends are spammers"

CH point out the fact & data of the still broken aspect & centralize merit system correctly

marlboroza  have most centralized merit history & get angry when data show

marlboroza then try stop CH with fake RED TRUST but had to remove 4 fake
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086816.0

gang cant handle criticism  centralize merit

one of gang make sock first to ban CH on plagarisms
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48790244#msg48790244
& fail   -  source was there but still "" Merited by Lauda (2), Foxpup (1), LoyceV (1) <agree with tactic

next marlboroza main account start digging for plagarisms again to shut down CH with 4yoa post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48828854#msg48828854
& fail again

keep digging

marlboroza dig posts still today try to ban CH
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086297.msg48837494#msg48837494
still fail

this dirty tactic of marlboroza shut down opinion by search ancient post  4 plagarisms
we not worry about ""plagarisms"" in 2013-2014 like now

TP & SM hide from subject in threads

I say dirty tactic used

you think good to use tactic ?
how u feel if marlboroza search all your old post 2 ban u on technical if u disagree with marlboroza ?

marlboroza try find me 2 to dig 4 plagarisms but wont expose

apology - have to hide writing type or be attack by dirty tactic

As I said I am not angry, you are making this up, the same as cryptohunter https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086816.msg48767439#msg48767439

This is also not true, I stand by my words that cryptohunter is annoying troll. Nothing was/is fake in comment.

What gang? You are delusional.

Hm, last time I checked someone pointed in that thread some posts and someone else checked other posts, it happens every day. I don't see why should it be different with cryptohunter.

Not really, I don't even think moderator reads that thread()i might be wrong). As I remember, cryptohunter was complaining about signature spam:



So you do agree this was nothing but blatant plagiarism?

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I think you forget to write something in quotes ""and"" - you can't really put "" and nothing in it, it doesn't make any sense.

Some people really have a lot of free time digging posts 4 years ago lmao, reminds me of those tweets that people find 10 years ago to discredit someone.

poor moronbozo... the spirit of cryptohunter can never die and these threads are adding weight to my argument you poor sad dumb loser.

this is a system abuser and needs to be removed.


By removing a high net positive user you become net negative yourself. In the boards interest you morobozo should be removed.

Hey moronbozo what is trolling may I ask.....sure cryptohunter it is the presenting observable events and facts that do not suit my agenda and then talking about them. I will try to red trust you for that and when you shove that red trust back up my ass I will just give you neutral trust. LOL you sad little wretch

Enjoy your xmas period feasting on the great and LEGENDARY achievements of a TRUE LEGEND not some dumb schmuck like your or the rest of you nasty gang here in meta. You may be able to scare others from standing up to you but sadly it just will not work on me.

Even by getting me banned you just make me stronger it is a great position to be in because the ban will always look to support my entire argument that TRUE NET POSITIVE PEOPLE  even REAL LEGENDS accounts can be closed on some minor boring shit that should at most be a slap on the wrist. I almost want it to happen just so my friends can now join and add this to the weight of their argument.

Removing net postive people makes you net negative and further so because when people see this they lose further faith in the system you are trying to control. It is a spiral of negativity you set off and thus must accept.  You therefore must be removed.

I give you opportunity again here

1. list your achievements of any real note
2. Refute anything that I have claimed here.

if not slink back under your stone you worm.... go tell teacher that I just called you names you dumb broke ass loser

I just looked at my expensive watch and realised it is time to get into my expensive automobile and then be driven to my expensive boat to take me to my expensive destination to socialise with other people of my own class and standing. So you knock on the roof of the pharmacists card board box  and tell him thanks for contributing to my expensive and lavish life style and I will be drinking to you all for being so kind to support my argument and for entertaining me as I dangle my achievements and my rewards for being a TRUE LEGEND HERE.  

Of course some of it is teasing but actually most is not and like everything i say are based upon fact..... merry xmas to all of you that makes it possible for me to never have a dull moment between sampling the finest of everything in real life and when even that becomes tedious... I now get to use your gang as my clowns and jesters on the forum. I know understand why all kings have them. A true KING has never had such a life. In fact I may already have risen to heaven it seems.  

Raise a glass to me ( or cracked plastic container whatever you have access to) and fill it with the finest substances you can find in your swamp of a life and acknowledge that in history you will have proof that CRYPTOHUNTER deemed you worthy of his disdain. I have just given you your answer when next asked about your crowing achievement here... never forget that and never fail to be thankful..hahaha

Just wanted to say that you can't really put my friend LFC_Bitcoin in the same league with other DT members, he hasn't done any harm to anyone and never have left a non valid feedback to anyone. I don't know the others but I know him and he is in another league.

This is not a dirty tactic at all if a plagiarizer still lives among us then I don't think he deserves to walk away freely when other plagiarizers have been banned instantly. Just take a look at rickadone's case (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5085557.0) his account got permabanned from a post written in 2016 which is a long time now but even if the plagiarism was done a long time ago it doesn't absolve him from the rule violation he committed. Whether the member has a personal grudge or not I don't think it matters as long as he/she proves that he previously had plagiarized a post which in your case marlboroza hasn't proven yet.

Who gives one fuck about what you think?

You are some noob that is net NOTHING.

ONLY CLEAR FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED COPY AND PASTE SHOULD EVEN BE REPORTED.

Anything else is snitching pathetic crap.

If anyone gets banned here for posting something without a reference to original source for a good reason or clearly with a good motive should not even be bothered, unless doing it all the time.

DO YOU KNOW.

MEMES are now actually something that breaks the LAW in europe.

Most copy and past on here is not even illegal. It is not copyright theft at all.  The odd case where people get lazy with a reference with a motive for helping people and no financial reward for doing so is nothing to keep blabbering on about.

I'm wonder if some of these meme linkers are linking from any sites hosted in the EU ... I wonder what that would mean for them.

So we are trying to kick people off who are net positive helping people or the board with information and now we want to allow memes that are mostly used to take the piss and provide no help to the board a free pass.

Where is attribution to the original owners/producers work in the memes??

The entire thing is pathetic.

We want rid of copy and pasters who are bots or people that are doing it over and over for their own financial reward and not trying to help anyone.

How about I don't think you should walk away freely for wasting my time explaining things to you when I could be helping others push for big changes here that you probably dont  have the capacity to understand?

By wasting my time you taking my quality and focus from this board and you will become net negative I could easily provide a case to demonstrate such people are sucking from the board and should be deleted unless you can provide some evidence you have done a lot of good here to counter that.

mods r in on it


delete my posts in MY OWN THREAD


delete 1/5 of all my post but in MY OWN THREAD proof mods r in on it


cant allow users see my rebuttal to moronbozo - was post 3

Just because you started the thread doesn't mean you are magically immune from the forum wide rules, one of which you will have broken to have that post deleted.

The fact that all your other nonsense ramblings haven't been deleted is proof enough that no one is "in" on anything.

Do you know why it was deleted? Because you want to continue this incessant nonsense of obfuscating your posts. Unreadable posts are reportable.

His main point is clearly observable and has a great deal of corroborating evidence and I believe is a true statement . It is of great importance to the board and the future of free speech here that nobody should abuse systems of control to limit any persons free speech with accompanying reasonable argument.

I think personally think that things will start to change soon anyway now that I have highlighted how both merit and trust systems are open to abuse and therefore able to influence natural posting behaviour.

Getting people banned to silence them will never work. The people that care about this board will always encourage others to join to pick up the baton and fight the good fight.

Only non enthusiasts would see a ban as the end of the road, It is merely more incentive.

Net positive members and giants of achievment compared to most should never be treated with disrespect by net neutral or net negative members. The very notion of that is inverse to building value into this board.

Let's get serious on this board. We want real input and real posts/debates between those that have some hope of generating new ideas and new solutions.

Snitching on people that are clearly net negative is one thing but attempting to sully the great name of real legends should not be tolerated. These bottom feeders need to be removed or asked to produce work or ideas produced worthy of remaining.

I will debate with anyone with an open mind and in public. If I have to change more original stance or opinion then i would be nothing other than grateful. I would thank them.

Chosen username is the only person to stand up for me and for that I give full respect and gratitude. Others pale into insignificance compared to you my friend and I will not forget this. You will be remembered above and beyond all those that slunk away thinking only of their own interests. I understand some are affraid to speek out are  but still money is nothing compared to free speech.

I can honestly say anyone who's aim is simply a fair system for all should be treated with respect and gratitude.

Let's be honest most of these high merit achievers are observably weak and broken minds that betray the entire point of a merit system.
The mere fact their opinions and statements have never been put under any real scrutiny does not mean they are valid. Every time that I have analysed what they say it seems to fall apart and collapse.

I can not augment additional processing and analytical abilities into these dullards nor their supporters but that is not my fault and does not make us wrong. The fact others can not operate at a level to find that out for themselves is again not my fault.

Your initial statement is true in the OP chosen username and I will always appreciate you are able to see this and that you felt the urge to help me.  

I support you and your thread and If i could make you a real LEGEND at once I would surely do so.

This will likely be my last post in reputation for a while since it is a baron land we need to crush abusers and controllers with facts and observable events in meta.

Plagiarism is plagiarism and results in a permaban. There is no valid excuse.

It is super easy to use quotes and/or list a source.

Please mr nobody

Stfu

Look at hypocrite ... worried about others peoples prior art..

this is just in a couple of pages of his history  ...pleb


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg47044986#msg47044986

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088731.msg48852497#msg48852497

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4564216.msg48461189#msg48461189

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5055672.msg47221161#msg47221161

where is your credit to these peopleS prio art?  where is your source?

Memes are now actually breaking the law in the EU ....are those hosted in the EU

Even so why would you think you can fill you entire post history crammed with crap you did not originally produce and the try to comment on a real legend you dumb shit.

Do you have any provable achievements here to make me believe you are even net positive here? to counter this ?

copy and paste or failure to add references now and then when helping people and gaining nothing financially is not permaban if you are netpositive....  I mean even 1. 1000 would be acceptable with no financial motive your history is littered with taking other peoples work and giving no credit.

Now sit down and shut up

At least someone is raising their voice over DT abuse, and I will give a merit to it because this forum is more centralized than a central bank is, and the funny thing, bitcoin was supposed to give decentralization  ;D

Few things:

Did CH just merit himself?

Also, is it possible that CH's account might have changed hands, I don't ever recall him being this nardy and retarded.

CH, chill down, and try to explain in a few words instead of writing pages.

Define retarded. Then prove that I have lost one debate ever.

Then get to my page long post on meta that nobody has been able to rebut as yet and start to try and read it. Then if you believe you understand it and do not agree with it then feel free to present your case.

Only try posting if you have an opinion or statement to voice that you can substantiate or back with some evidence.

I am bored of reputation so reply to me in meta

@BitcoinSupremo

thanks for support and demonstrating you are one of the few people that actually starts to see just how these control systems merit and trust are slipping in beneath admin level to suppress free speech here. It's an observable fact how open these very systems are to abuse.

LOL - the images are hosted on an external site. The image IS the external source.

You can view this by right clicking and selecting "open image in new tab"

https://i.imgur.com/WZY8xdC.png

Now who is looking like a real legendary dumb shit. ?!  ;D

He is actually right, it doesn't matter if it's hosted on an external site or not, if you are the owner of the forum you can be sued for copyright infringement if someone posts a copyrighted picture. Of course it matters a lot where the server is located.

Not if the link is to an origional post. It is like posting a URL.

The presence of the image is only virtual.  The image file is not on the bitcointalk server - only a link to the image.

Removal of the image from the linked site will result in the url displaying http://invalid.jpg

Such site can also block external access to the image.

In the country where I live it is not considered infringement. It is also not disallowed by the bitcointalk rules.

...and that is not even getting into the "fair use" argument or the fact that most, if not all of the images that were linked to are in public domain with no distinguishable ownership.

A lot of the memes are generated on meme makers using royalty free stock photos.

Crazy countries can make crazy laws. But since I don't live in them or plan to visit they have no jurisdiction over me.  If those countries attempt to enforce those crazy laws outside of their own country it may well be breaching the constitutional laws of the country that I live in.

In the majority of civilized countries - linking and framing is not considered copyright infringement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlinking_and_framing

As long as Bitcointalk follows the DCMA guidelines they have nothing to worry about.

shut up fool you are a hypocritical dip shit

loads of your posts pages and pages are just content that you did not create I mean most pages of you history are filled with content that is not original.... you are probably net negative here so don't start talking to those on another level in terms of contribution to this forum.

why don't we just tell noobs to copy and paste text to an image and post it here linked from somewhere else how will that be any different ... filling up tons of spam all over the place that bots can do in seconds.... this kind of implanting of other peoples content is equally as bad if not worse and yes could actually have legal implications now or in the future.

You probably don't have the intellect to discuss things rationally and have to resort to insults. But just in case:

There is no rule or law that doesn't allow you to reference or refer other peoples content. As long as you acknowledge it with a source.
Compiling information is creating unique original content. It is distinctly different from copy and pasting.

You can continue acting like a jerk or you could attempt to try to understand the difference.

Using snippets of facts in your delusional pubescent ramblings doesn't make you a critic. It is also not "winning" and argument.  It is just that people put you on ignore and refuse to argue with an idiot that will try to drag them down to their level and beat them with experience. From the way that you have been carrying on you have probably bought the account. Your earlier posts are far better constructed.

create some content of your own.....

LOL so now you just start creating different situations to yours to defend... because you do not have the intelligence to realise that is not applicable to your case at all.

Let's just take this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg47044986#msg47044986

Where you do acknowledge the original source ? are you claiming you created that text and then made it into a pic? about the spinning balls? are you saying embedding original content from merely a 3rd part hosting site they may have placed their own original content is okay? I mean how would one even validate from some hosting site where it was from or whom created it?

Where do most memes acknowledge the original source of that content? some link to a 3rd party webhosting is a reference to original source?

That spinning ball  text if copied and pasted from a website here it would be plagiarism... .not that I would give 1 fuck so long as it was not done all of the time and that person was being helpful and was not just doing to to earn money.  So now a newbie bot should not rip content via copy and paste of text they can just rip the text and place it into a pic on 3rd party host and that will be okay? I mean even if you are saying people need to know to click image source then go to that url .... how to know if this is put there by the original source or someone else just ripped off his stuff and put it there? even if he put it there himself and there is no way to track back to him for credit then again that makes it impossible to for any plagiarist to get caught. That kinds of makes it impossible to complain about any pics placed here and linked to 3rd party sites. The entire thing is almost a way to rip non original content spam the board with it and then make it impossible to complain about because you claim that embedded link to the 3rd party source is a good enough.
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What is to stop bots grabbing text splatting it into jpegs or any other pics and splattering the board with it on any related terms?? nothing that's right and that is what we want to prevent.

Stop trying to have the last incorrect word or create some kind of situation to defend that is not applicable to the situation you are in.

I am not interested in you filling your post count up (collating without direct reference to original source) with pics of others original work so stop worrying yourself about it i can smell your fear from here. Just shut up and buzz off and find some more original work of others to post from 3rd party hosting sites

I will continue to bring new ideas to the board and help provide a fairer system until the entire arena is decentralised and trustless

If you look at the links in the code you will see that the content is not hosted on bitcointalk. The legalities of that I already explained in a previous post. Linking to an external site is not considered a breach of copyright.  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088832.msg48927165#msg48927165)

The subtle difference is that I did not post a copy of the image on this site. I posted a link to the image which is available on another site. Which is akin to posting a url directing to another site.

Any copyright issues (if they exist) are with the site that hosts the images and the person who posted it there.


The majority of plagiarism that is detected on bitcointalk is bots and people copy pasting without any input to the content.

Linking urls and image source links with commentary that contributes to the conversation is in line with the purpose of a forum.

Copy and pasting to increase post count does not contribute in most instances.


If you copy and paste text a simple acknowledgement of source eliminates plagiarism accusations. It is a good habit to reference sources.

The bottom line is that plagiarism as defined as "copy and pasting text without acknowledgement" is not allowed under the bitcointalk rules.

I am not after your for copyright, I dont care what you do so long as you are not spamming the forum constantly to earn money.

However tracing back that image of the spinning ball (even if i know to pull image source some may not) gives me no greater chance of attributing it to the original source creator than if it was just posted here  on bitcointalk servers

So it is no better than copy and pasting the spinning ball text straight here in terms of reference to the original source and not claiming as your own

A newbie who wanted to spam with this method could find spinning ball texts or whatever slap them in a pic and embed then via 3rd party host into threads here where they are mildly relevant .... a bot could do this and there would be according to you no way to act against them

To me it is actually away to get away with using non original text or material without attributing or referencing the actual source ... it is get out of jail free benefit from others work. I can tell you know I bet someone doing that a lot for financial gain would be in trouble. I would not be surprised if this is the next noob way of spamming of non original work and will be hard for spiders to jump on too.

Newbies cannot post images.

let's not split hairs i meant new persons not essentially newbie rank.... my point stands

Even if they could - why would they go through the trouble of memefying something if it's far easier to just quote/link it? The problem with plagiarizing dipshits is that they're too lazy to put effort in their posts so they spam the forum with copy-pasta.

This is no different to copy and paste with regard to giving credit to original source. Non original work with no way to find the original source, bots can be made. Copy and paste in pic form is no different.

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As I have said before and will say once again this new focus on copy and paste is to rid the board or net negative persons who are incapable of producing original work and are only here to earn spam bucks from their sigs. Whether their bots grab the text and slap in in a pic or whether they do not is not any different. They can achieve their same goal to earn bucks, they do so on the basis of others original work.


I would go further to say that a spammer posting copy and paste off topic junk in a serious thread is less net negative that those that put up a semi convincing counter argument that is does not rebut the correct and true statements of someone else but leads people (who are unable to understand the truth or evaluate correctly the presented evidence) to believe the correct statements/claims have been successfully rebutted .... then those people are even more net negative and with too many of those examples should be again put on junior boards to work on their critical thinking and reasoning before ruining the main boards.

These bots and parrots are just a general dilution and annoyance rather than some that actually mislead people into incorrect assumptions and far away from reaching consensus in an optimal way.

Let's be clear on what is trying to be achieved by any actions taken.

I say only net positive actions that have a strong case should taken or you are actually damaging the board and being net negative.

Taking lots of action that leads to no provable net gain is pointless.

Cure the source of the issue. Make big changes else you will just keep tweaking and reporting forever.

Until you remove all financial incentive to post you will never get away from people trying to just post anything (mostly dilution and junk) to earn bucks they probably really need sadly.

The problem is determining what is "net positive" and what is "net negative" . Arbitrary or systematic censorship is not good. Merit provides some incentive to post quality material and while I am fortunate that people usually like my posts - it does have the effect of potentially creating an echo chamber where different opinions are rejected and agreeable opinions are rewarded. Theymos has so far done a good job of selecting merit sources with different skills and opinions.

Another issue is that if you allow rules to be arbitrary then they often end up being unfair and unevenly applied.


I agree and I think a lot of people agree with that. You'll notice that I have never worn a paid signature. (My endorsement or opinion is not for sale)

There has been a lot of discussion around how to remove the incentives around posting.

But removing some of the things that people like about this site will affect both those that use the site as well as those that abuse it.

Reducing or eliminating the financial incentives to post is like you said - the key to solving the issue.

Post count no longer provides the single way to gain rank which was a good first step.

I have no issue with people receiving a reward for quality posts. The problem is poverty (and greed) . Poverty attracts people to financial rewards.

But banning poor people is not the answer either. Crypto is meant to be a revolution that improves freedom and accessibility. Some of the "poor people" have embraced this technology and are now very knowledgeable and positive contributors. Without financial incentives they may be forced to go elsewhere.

Not all incentivised posting is due to signature or bounty campaigns. Some of it is due to achieving high google search engine ranking.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5087992.0 hilariousetc is discussing alternatives to permabans for plagiarism when there is reduced culpability.


Memes also would in a lot of cases not be considered for bounty / signature rewards unless it had some text to go with it. The text on the meme wouldn't count.

e.g.:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.0

There are somethings I agree with here (not all) and actually I am attempting to raise those points and find some clear ways to improve the entire issue of locating, recognising, reviewing/analysing and rewarding posts on some clear contributions made to finding the optimal solution or answers.  However nobody except actmyname has wanted to contribute to such an important thread because I feel it will reveal that merit and indeed trust systems are quite dangerous.

There should be thorough investigation and analysis of every opinion before merit can be given. I see no point of opinions that are groundless and found to be provably incorrect having merit whilst opinions and statements to the contrary that are provably correct get less merit.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

However the dangers go beyond misleading those that do not or can not form the correct opinion from the evidence or cases provided and then just look at the merit scores of each post. Subjectivity opens the systems to corruption and control over other posters.

If you were able to keep only the net positive and clear out the net negatives (to junior boards to train there first)  or even diluting net neutrals the board would thrive.

If you want to cure the "real" source of a lot of the problems on this board... simply remove the entire Altcoin section.

IMO, most of the spamming and merit begging (and other "net negative") activity is a direct result of all the "bounty hunting" (I really hate that term)... and the various ICO pump and dump scams that went along with the absolutely insane amount of copy/paste coins and tokens that appeared when BTC spiked in value and every man and his brother tried to cash in. ::)

What then followed was a flood of users from "poorer" countries who discovered they could supplement their income by spamming all over these boards, twitter, telegram, facebook etc.

Coupled with "devs" who didn't care because half of the projects were scams... and campaign managers who didn't care because they got paid regardless... it was a recipe for disaster. :-\


I wonder what would have happened if theymos had charged BTC to list an altcoin like the big exchanges do? ???