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Split from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50796.0

This has gone way off topic.  If anyone wishes to continue this debate, please feel free to start a new thread.

EDIT: nevermind, this topic has turtles all the way down.  I'll just change the name.

this is not nice of you in a role of moderator. do the forum admins encourage moderators to use their powers with bias and unjustly?

if you feel you are in camp with pirates is this my fault? that lets you push your biased opinion about me to others by using your moderator powers. is this what you think a right thing you are doing?

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The following post, "Re: Serge says we're pirates (was:Congress Declares War on
Internet)" by MoonShadow has been reported by Serge on a board you
moderate:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50796.msg606804#msg606804

The reporter has made the following comment:
this is unfair use of moderator powers.

This is, I believe, the first time I've ever been reported for trolling, to myself.

EDIT: Does anyone else have a better title suggestion?

very funny.
if this is your board - you make the rules, you can ban me for all i care

if you simply doing a job of moderation, nothing to moderate here other than moving it to appropriate sub forum section, you went overboard by using your moderator power unjustly.

grow up kid.

It is my, admittedly biased, opinion that the content of this thread was no longer, if ever, reflected by it's title nor the OP's intent.  I simply changed the title to reflect my impressions of the thread as siccinctly as I could.  Do you wish to offer an alternative?  If you honestly feel that I have treated yourself 'unfairly' then I recommend that you contact Theymos and annoy him.  I'm certain that if you pester him long enough, you are bound to get one of us banned.

This is not my board.  I enforce the rules, what few that there are, and I do not make new ones.  I have no intention of banning you, for I'm no more interested in being surrounded by "plus one" echos than I am in debating yourself in the topic of appropriate copyright law.

It's been a long time since someone called me young, thanks.

I don't think as a moderator you have a right to change any topic at will with things such as "Serge says you all pirates" - i didn't say that. You wanted to attack me somehow and choose to use your moderator privileges to accomplish it, sort of.

what a great mod you are. totally just and unbiased and respect private communication of others. /sarcasm

I didn't have any interest in attacking you when I changed the title, but I'm starting to reconsider.  If I intended to attack you, I have much better, and much less subtle, methods available to me.  If I should ever choose to go on any kind of verbal attack against you, it would be unmistakable to anyone.  Except, perhaps, yourself.  I'm beginning to suspect that you're trying to start a battle of wits while unarmed.


The 'report to moderator' button isn't private.  It is sent out to every mod on this forum.  I just found it amusing, because I suspect that you didn't realize that I'd get one.

EDIT: And complaining about my choice of title without offering an alternative after one has been requested suggests that you're just offended that you're on a forum with a different etiquite than you are accustomed to.

Put another way, you're butthurt and think that I was the guy behind you.

i used "report to moderator" button just to point out that what was done was unfair.

i don't care how super, clever, subtle your verbal attacking maybe if you'd have decided to go that route.

since you used specifically my nick to propagate false statement about me though moderation i consider it an attempted attack of unfair mod practice.

the more edited topic stays unchanged the less respect i have for you.

the communication went out in private to those who are running this board. if i wanted to make it public i would comment in public in here as i do or by creating new thread. you managed to disrespect that too and i see it as continuation of unfair mod attack.

Fortunately for myself, I don't require your respect.  Fortunately for you, neither do you.

Serge, I just realized that you have done it again.  You completely highjacked this thread so that the title doesn't reflect the topic.  Since you seem so sensitive about titles, this time I'll ask your opinon.

How about "Serge says MoonShadow is a dick" or perhaps "Serge picks fight he cannot win"?

"Serge chooses knife for gunfight"?
Too cryptic.

"MoonShadow in battle of wits with an unarmed Serge"?
Too cliche.

"Serge doesn't understand that Bitcoin is copyrighted"?
Too easy.

"Serge's limited English leads him to believe that Americans are talking about him"?  Too wordy.

Hey Serge, you give it a try.

MoonShadow
since you replied several times after me pointing out that your action as a mod was unfair
and the topic isn't changed, continuing to propagate false statement as though it is in my own words
you're clearly set it up as an attack on myself.  you are piss poor mod failure. enjoy flexing your adolescent powers. i'm sure it will catch up to you at some time in future.

Why don't you just ask another mod to delete the thread?  I going to leave it here as a matter of principle.

MoonShadow's principle: do as he pleases, fuck the unbiased judgment calls.

nice principle you got there.  I was called hypocrite earlier, i would be real hypocrite if after that i didn't change my avatar or replaced with another hotlinked/copyrighted avatar. but at least i had a decency to acknowledge of wrong doing.  I guess your principle's do not include such courtesy to be able acknowledge when you are wrong and being pointed out to.

what a great mod you are, just and unbiased! /sarcasm

Just because you have mentioned that you believe that you have been treated unfairly, does not make it so.  The principle in question is accountability.  If I deleted it, there would be no evidence either way.  I don't mind being questioned.

And there are few things that I'll censor you over faster than use of vulgar language on the publicly viewable sections of this forum.  Tread lightly.

MoonShadow, you put false statement about me in the topic using your mod privileges - this is not what mods should be doing.
you fail to acknowledge that is wrong doing out of some fucked up twisted principle.

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I have donated money to this forum before. I was considering donating more in the future. Because of one mod's childish attack on me utilizing his mod privileges by making false statements as though they are mine I won't be able to support such action financially in the future.

I suggest Admins of this board to cleanup their Mod's act  . Your mod is running on principle that is damaging reputation and integrity of this place.

I'm actually laughing, now.  This is akin to some rich guy complaining about a cop who pulls him over for swerving, because he pays his salary.

Keep impuning my integrity, and see what kind of "justice" you get from the other mods.  I'm just going to watch.

MoonShadow, you have proven to have no integrity as a mod right in this thread.

and why would i want to support financially  childish act of a global moderator?  stick to your principles, treat your members unfairly attack them with false claims and watch donations dry out.

you failed too many times just in this one single thread alone.

a mod should not make judgment calls in moderation due to his personal disagreements with other users.

think he would feel fine if I created a thread with false statement in topic as though it was his words? would you feel fine if same was done to you?
- i'm certain he would have edited/deleted it or even banned me for such act. ALL I ask is to remove my name with false staement next to it in the topic. am I unreasonable here?

I said what i said and i stand by my words, i don't have a problem with difference of opinions. What I have problem with is when a mod (global mod for that matter) puts false statement next to my nick/name as it was my own. - you don't find anything wrong with that, CornedBeefHash ?

I didn't make a judgement call based upon my personal disagreement with you, or anyone else.  I can think that you are full of crap and still not hold it against you.  I'm not emotionly invested in this thread even now, but you get one (factually supportable) 'hipocrite' and you're bent.  I hotlinked this tread into the staff/mod section hours ago, and no one has come to your defense.  I'm not entirely sure why you believe that you have a grievence, nor do I believe that the title that I chose misrepresents this thread.  This has been going on all day now, and you still have not offered an alternative title, nor apparently were willing (or able, perhaps) to get another mod to change/delete anything.

EDIT: Well, somebody did change the title, to a particularly relevant one at that.

i'm not interested in making any title suggestions, i was fine with what was originally, if you felt the title needed to be changed - all fine, until you decided to put words in my mouth and edit original thread topic with it. 
I pointed out it was unfair act on your part being a mod here, I didn't ask for thread deletion as you tried to hint as i voluntarily participated in discussion, all i asked for was to remove false statement as it didn't come out of my mouth like you made it sound like in the topic.

you kept disrespecting me and joking around it due to some principle which prohibits you to recognize when you are at fault.

Okay, whatever Serge, I've lost interest in you.

and btw topic stays as it was unchanged meaning you still don't recognize what you did was wrong as a mod!

i don't give %#$# about your interests and after that thread would tell to your face to go fuck yourself if we met.

Uhh... MoonShadow? If the OP matches the title, but the discussion doesn't, you split the discussion. Yes, even if that only leaves the original thread with one post. If you can't figure out a good title for the split, just leave the default. In my opinion, the only time you should should be changing a title, other than the typical administrative reasons, is if the title doesn't even match the OP.

It wasn't very clean, but I think I did a decent job splitting that thread.

MoonShadow failed as a fair Mod after he decided to change another thread topic with statement make sound like coming from me that I haven't said, then failed to recognize what he did was wrong while acting disrespectfully and making jokes about it.

No, the failure wasn't his - it was ours (the other mods). We should have been online to help him out by providing an unbiased view to the topic, as he alludes to here:
The fact that he asked for this help, and none was quickly provided, shows that he did exactly what a fair mod should do.

Sorry about that.

No moderator should ever change a title to place any blame on a user. Since by definition these threads are opinion-based, placing "thinks" or "says" next a a user's name is stating that the argument is less strong than its reverse. MoonShadow would not have changed a thread to "MoonShadow says piracy is good", so it does not make sense to change Serge's thread in that manner.

Rather, these threads should be named "Piracy is bad", "piracy is good", "piracy is not copying", etc.

(forgot to add this to my last post)
As for him being disrespectful and making jokes, as long as it doesn't effect his moderating, he is entitled to express his personal opinions on this forum. You'll notice that none of your posts, nor the original thread, were ever deleted.
I agree completely with you on that. Unless a thread is about someone, they shouldn't be mentioned in the topic's subject line. But again, he tried soliciting new names for the thread, and none were given. You can't blame him for that.

this is exactly what this is about.  mOONsHADOW acted irresponsibly and childishly. he disregarded various requests to take away false claims he made as though they are mine using his mod privileges.
and what's even worse and more saddening is board admin/s didn't find anything wrong with that and acted like it is all good on mod's part.  this is not some ghetto irc where such behavior may be encouraged by the adolescent peers.

It was incorrect, but all he did was change a topic title. Andrew Bitcoiner could have changed the title back at any time. It's not a big deal.

it's not a big deal when it doesn't effect you directly. i got that.

bet it would be whole different story if false statement was put in topic about you or moonshadow without your ability to fix it and whoever did that and can fix it just ignores you while making runaround jokes about it.

I doubt you could create a thread title that would upset me, that wouldn't get deleted by some other mod first.  I would either refute the title, or ignore you.  It's not easy to upset me, so I can't really relate to those who are easily offended.

who the fuck cares about upsetting you? are you dumb?

here are some facts:

You made a bad title, i should say not out of your best intentions
You've been pointed out that it was wrong numerous times
You kept laughing it off, effectively derailing the thread because it was fun to you also trying to blame me that i derailed it - if you acted quickly fixing your error, there would not be all of this debate.
You can't admit that what you did was wrong much less be a man enough to apologize for your action and keep bringing bunch of irrelevant arguments instead.

Whether a title is 'bad' or not is a subjective opinion, not a fact.


Only by yourself, who held such an opinion.


It was literally impossible for me to have acted quickly enough to have satisfied you. 


If I agreed that I had done something wrong, I would apologize for it.  I simply changed to title to reflect my impressions of the thread as concisely as I could think of.  And I still believe that it was an accurate assessment of your perspectives, even if you never literally said as much.

Using your mod privileges to broadcast false statement about particular member. - My subjective opinion you are in the wrong.

Did I ever say that all board members are pirates?
Who the fuck are you to broadcast public (and false mind you) statements in my name?
Your action was clear and deliberate insult, supported even further with your jokes afterwards. For a mod - it is way out of line.