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I hope Bitcointalk will start caring about its people ,there should be new moderators that can fish out bad projects on here to avoid wasting time of bounty hunters ,and about KYC ive come to think of it as many bounty hunters don't like KYC I'm sure if Bitcointalk is the one asking for KYC so as to limit frauds and multiple accounts bounty hunters won't complain, we will follow the rules ,but first 'SAFE US FROM BAD SCAMMY PROJECTS' ,no matter how wise we investigate a project they end up been scam ,scammers are getting wiser as well.looook at desico for example :o Can anyone tell me if he/she knew Desico is a scam from day one? I guess not

forum moderators do not have to select the right projects or not. but bounty managers should do this. so you need to choose the right managers.
I was participating in Desico. and i was thinking that this is a good project. I hope they will go to the prison

I guess soon you'll have the moderators work and submit bounty proofs for you while sit back and get paid ? The very least you could is to do your own research follow your guts after complete analysis of what the project and its  team is offering, that shouldn't take you long. Oh, sorry why does the forum has moderators whose hands are filled with cleaning the tons of shitposts folks like you make every second. The fact the forum allows member to earn from it is a BIG ADDED BENEFIT, and the forum literally has nothing to lose if it stop allowing it.

When Bounty Hunters get bad campaigns and scams, almost nobody knows how we endure. It takes time and effort to work diligently and in exchange for lies and frauds and promises Appointment. No matter how much both the Bounty manager is reflected and except the truth. There is a need to limit the spread of the campaign that occurs every day and give us a clean environment.

No, requiring kyc would make this forum gone dead while this forum is not intended as an investment platform or trading platform.

I did bounties. Plenty of them. In many cases they were filling up so fast you didn't have time to think.
Unfortunately greed/hunger/fomo play a big role in getting scammed by the bounties. Because you may do some research about the project and also the bounty manager, but then you may not find a free spot anymore.
Even worse is that most don't do any check even after joining. In many cases you can say "sorry" and go out.

It's not the forum's fault or the mods fault that people jump in without thinking and they don't check afterwards either.

In many cases it's hard to find out it's a scam or not. And even if it would be easy, they cannot go against the freedom of speech.
But there are tools like trust feedback, scam accusations and so on that need to be read. Use them. And search. A lot.

Why someone have to care about your money making,as already forum rules says scams are not moderated so you need to find the good and bad projects,you need to decide you are willing to do KYC or not before joining on the bounties.

Bitcointalk is not responsible for finding Scam projects. The forum has not enough manpower to do that, moreover there is a separate place to reflect on scam projects, you know. Above all bounty hunters must protect themselves instead of waiting for others

It is not easy task - to sort projects for good and SCAMS even having a lot of human resources.
I think with expanding regulative rules it will be easier for hunters to choose solid projects.
Or some other criteria will appear in the future.

Forum moderators  can help bounty hunters with scam projects because bounty will never do that because the team will be paying them for hosting  the bounty  for them ..  Right one of the bounty  platform has stop ICO because of  scam they now planing to host only STO projects . so i think the guy has  make great suggestion  forum moderator can help bounty  by deleting scam projects ..   

Just a reminder this forum name was Bitcointalk and not ALTcointalk, so it's understandable if forum moderator didn't bother about ICO project, since it's not thir job to begin with. and altcoin section was just added as a bonus for us member to earn some money so we should be thankfull to the forum.
to filter a bad project and not is the job of bounty manager, so choose a bounty manager wisely and also don't forget to do your own research.

You can start trying to learn on investigate on profiles. I have forgotten to do that sometimes that I joined a campaign thinking the team can be reliable because they do have backgrounds in crypto. Sadly, things doesn't just go as planned this goes for the newer projects too. Its like they are putting all the trust to their campaign participants that they never spend to put articles on platforms that can put them on spotlight. In the end their ICO didn't reach the funds.

Every day, there are dozens of bounty campaigns appearing and it's hard to spot scams. I didn't join Desico so I don't know what happened to you and everyone. But always check before joining.

I think KYC need to be not only for bounty hunters but for team who makes ICO, it too much scam projects last time, all dissapointed in any ICO or bounty

I think it’s hard to keep anyone safe
But really if ico team or projects dev can submit their kyc details as well as their spcial media platforms before listing their bounty program

It will be a lot safer for us all

This forum does not serve bounty and they are not responsible for bounty scam. You have to decide everything yourself when you join so stop complaining and start working. For KYC it depends on their project, if they want to collect user information, you need KYC to ensure their rules

Your thinking is logical, I agree with that, but if possible, I add, at this time there are many projects that will investigate a scam ICO so that our ICO project for bounty will minimize the occurrence of scams. just look at the project project movements. You can also find it on various websites that provide it.

As we know, most people are not too happy with the KYC system which requires sending all of our biodata. the KYC system does need to be explained about Scam projects or not.
some say that KYC is a fraud when it shouldn't be because they have made a fairly balanced condition. I can only hope that there will be a better change about KYC.

Bitcointalk is not responsible for KYC. I mean I support the KYC process, because I believe it could protect bounty hunters from different art of scammers, but it should be done by the ICO team and not by our forum.

I do not think that forum moderators should do this work. There are unique platforms that allow you to exclude fraudsters. If you have heard of such a platform https://w12.io/ then you will understand what I am writing. I hope such platforms have a future.Regarding KYC, I personally categorically oppose that the participants of the bounty undergo this procedure. It is simply inappropriate. This procedure should be carried out by investors but not by the participants of the bounty.

Most projects do take bounty hunters for granted and they donot want to give the rewards as they have taken the work in advance from them especially in the bear market. As soon as market conditions improve i think bounty market will also improve and grow.

Really! If this is even an option then the efforts should be focused on saving investors money first not Bounty-hunters.

The warnings about making sure to research any project before joining it are widespread all over the forum if you join a project without making proper research do not blame anyone but yourself.

When we speak, think and strive for decentralization, we must understand that criminals always accompany this way, the task of crypto is to bring the mechanism to the level to oppose them but not to limit the freedom of honest people.

I think the forum can do some kind of check for projects that want to post their ICO on this forum. for example, you can make some kind of video confirmation of the team

I am sure that demanding any activity from the forum administrators aimed at reducing the number of fraudulent projects is not something we should do, the forum administration has nothing to do with this, they are not experts in this industry. This is not their business. This should be handled by government agencies or specialized organizations that have the appropriate resources.

All i see is that bounty hunters have to work as much as he can to earn from it these days because you never whose coin is the real deal you just have to keep working because some will actually pay, most of them now pretend not to be the one who organized the bounty they act like do they really need bounty campaign after they've used them.

This forum has long been used to promote ICO crypto startups. On the one hand, the forum was not created for this (?). On the other hand, scammers can easily make money. And it's not just bounty hunters. Investors, BTC, the whole crypto industry are depressed and discredited.
This is not the best situation, it needs a change.

You have a point, so its better to be more familiar to those managers with a recent good bounty project because those mangers has the possibility to handle a good project again, because they know how to choose which project that has the possibility to bring a good future for each participants to avoid scammers and to protect their reputation in this forum as one of the trusted managers.

This is one way how to choose bounties.

i think a new moderator can't solve this problem. we don't know some projects are good or bad. even a moderator. i ever join some projects which have rating over 4.5 of 5. and they have very good documents to read and have a good vision too. but still, they've scammed me. so, i think the only one who can prevent us from scam project is ourself.  we must extremely careful before join some bounties.

Are you kidding!! Desico scammed? If it is real then I just can't believe it. I thought this project will be good if they reach enough cap from the token sale! But I never thought it can be a scam! That's why I am supporting STO, because I guess crypto needs regulation now to save people from these types of scam!

And, Your proposal is the demand of time, but I think bitcointalk won't follow that! Because no one can ensure you which project will give you profit and which not! Like Centra coin and Desico! So, that will destroy bitcointalk's reputation!

In my opinion, sometimes it is not easy to know that the project is scam. People are losing thousands of dollars in some of them. If you search for Bitconnect, you will know how the noble scam should be.  :)

I think that Bitcointalk has helped us as the bounty hunter by providing so many bounty programs that we can select to follow, However, to hope that they can help us to be safe in joining in the bounty I don't think that it will happen. This forum includes more discussion and we can seek for the recommendation and discussion about certain projects. We can see how the people are interested in a bounty or investing in ICO. Using the KYC is one of the requirements. So why should we hope this forum to make us safer? We ourselves the one who can make us safe.

There are threads posted in the beginners and help board that explains different ways to check if an ico you're promoting is legit or not example (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5004397.0). The scam accusation board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) is another place to look for icos that are fake. The information is already out there you just have to spend more time browsing the forum and try not to rush yourself when you see a good paying bounty campaign.

After they've moved from ICO to STO they decided not to pay the bounty participants instead they gave out an apology. Here's the discussion thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5092272.0) few days ago.

It's a good idea. I also think that is necessary. Bitcointalk forum needs to verify information from the team of projects to ensure safety.
KYC and a call (video call) to make sure they are real.

It is not the duty of  to act in such capacity and they are not compelled to do that, except they choose to act in that capacity.

You can do a few things right now. Choose good bounty managers to before start your works. The next thing is your own research. The research is helping to find good and to rated projects.

It is difficult to know if the project is a scam at first.
But you can prevent of having them if you will review the project and make some research though you will not be a hundred percent safe still.
Kyc is okay if the project is a success and if they will ask for it at the end of ICO or before the distribution.
But i will never do KYC at the start of work.
Bitcointalk moderators and officers will also have a hard time to detect even they will run in the project.

yah, and by doing so we can be able to avoid getting red trust from joining scam projects. Because it does not make sense to join a bounty which we dont know is a scam project and we get red trust for it. We can't really avoid that sometimes because sometimes a project that looks like not a scam will turn out a scam and we bounty hunters are just caught off guard. Of course in the first place, we bounty hunters needs to also review the projects that we are getting into. That is what i am doing right now, its okay to join fewer projects that i know are real projects than joining a bunch of scam projects that will just give you a red trust which is awful.

its not moderator job to decide the project scam or not, its fully bounty manager take care of the project. For scam prject, its hard to look the project scam or not. trust me.

The biggest question is, who is people that want to take responsibility like that?
The scam is always coming everyday in the crypto world, you should try to survive by yourself from scammers. Research the project first before participating their bounty to minimize the opportunity to be scammed...

I agree with you and even examination of existing bounty is not the task of a moderator in this forum. the run Manager will have responsibility and should be able to select the bounty they run well.
In addition to the foregoing, it is identified it is not easy to do and if there should be a new moderator then it's not a solution in this settlement. will be back again on each of the research about how to choose a bounty.

But even bounty managers are having difficulty in selecting which ICO is real, some others are turns out to be scam even if it looks so good. Well, I guess we should not blame managers if the project is scam.

Oh its left for one to do his or her research very well before joining any campaign but its true that no matter how smart you are you will still get scammed of your time by joining a fake project that looks almost original

There is no need to do that. Bitcointalk moderators have no obligation to moderate the ICO bounty projects.
What we can do as bounty hunter is doing deep research about the project we want to participate, just like investors.
If you think the ICO is not real, just not doing any bounties and wait for a good project so you won't wasting your efforts later.

You have a point but there are even projects that success in providing KYC in rating sites but still ended up scam project . I like your idea actually but I don't think it can minimize scam projects .

I really think this is where the moderators need to step in. Anyone shouldn't just put up a bounty campaign without having a form of thorough scrutiny from the moderators and approval if the project is actually real. The Bounty Managers should be compelled to provide proof of the legitimacy of the project they are managing its bounty.

I think KYC should be for the investors not bounty hunters ,we help spread the news that's our job and we should get paid for it with no KYC ,I don't think bitcointalk forum can do that ,that's why we have many bounty platforms out there ,jut find yourself a trusty bounty manager and follow him for awhile

I guess even after much investigation or research into a project, people still get burned like the one mentioned above which I believe most people even if not all most have done some looking into before they participated and probably the bounty managers too must have been some that are know in the crypto space. So I believe the general message here is something has to be done to reduce the wasted efforts invested in fake bounties.

I still wanna agree to this. I believe if the moderators can step up their game, there should a way to actually still fish this nonsense projects out. However,  the fact still remain that much of the works goes to the bounty manager and probably the bounty team.

mods and reputable members of this forum are already helping to bust those fishy projects whie some bounty managers didnt really care on what will he ended up or on what will the participants end up because some bounty managers only care about thier selves . they sometimes pick up a project even if they knew that it was scam but because the pot money is pretty high  .  he'd rather risk his reputation because of this   .

scam ico's are also hard to combat because they are still growing day by day not only on this forum but also on the entire world wide web  .

I think this forum already did good job to filter which one is good or bad project with see some respond from member in their ANN thread. But it is all depend to us to pick which bounty is good or not, or maybe we must think like investor so not wrong to pick project.

Why bitcointalk forum should interfere here in bounty? Can't you save yourself and avoid promoting shitcoins? We people just don't do any homework before joining a campaign. Can we please only promote the good projects managed by a good camoaign manager and have a good idea behind the project? It would be better.

If the person does not want to take care of his safety and money, analyzing the project before he invest in it, why it should make the administration of the forum?

It's very difficult nowadays to distinguish between a legit and scam project.

Scammers became more knowledgeable, they use good Whitepapers, di a lot of external references, take care if social media activity etc. By participating into bounties we assume the risk of being scammed unfortunately.

I think it's personal responsibility to select the project as the bounty hunters and it is why you need to know almost everything about the project including the team behind the project. One thing you miss, then it will lead you to get scam by them, and you cannot complain to anyone. There is a good project with a reliable team in out there, and they do not just prove that they are a legit project, but they also have a great project that continues to develop the next phase. So be careful when you want to join as a bounty hunter and make sure you know the project.

External references were created from fake information so by deep research we can identify most of the scam and lot of social activity also can be fake by paid shills and fake review site so we need to see there is actual discssion in the social platforms.

KYC itself does not guarantee that the project is not a scam, and therefore there is no particular desire to pass it from the hunters more than once it happened that after passing the project went into the shadows.

Before joining any projects, we must be fully aware of potential success nor potential failures, scammers are also learning from the current trend so aside from deep research we also needs to learn more about the team behinds and not only to speculate but we also needed to make more deeper investigations before we go and work for them.

Indeed, now there are a lot of fraudulent projects. And the problem is that the scammers go unpunished. It got to the point that when the project turns out to be honest and pays a reward, I never cease to be surprised!
I agree that we need regulators who will study the project everywhere, and only after that will they allow the project and the team to enter the arena and take responsibility for the bounty hunters.
And in general, need to create an additional thread on Bitcointalk, where to publish fraudulent projects, display a photo of the team and the manager who led the project.

we cannot blame the forum for this situation. those of you who decide to take part in a project that you believe will run well and successfully, and ultimately if something happens to the project. then who is to blame? isn't that your decision from the beginning?

I agree, since bitcointalk forum is the number one source of the news of a upcoming projects, they should initiate a crucial review first before approving its post and that can be seen on public. Because the hunters right now are just wasting time for a scam bounty campaign.

You should not impose this on the admins of this forum, they have nothing to do with how you make money with these ICO, it's your obligation to pick the right project to join and about KYC you cannot request that because this is a decentralized community it's against the principles.

Well if that is the case then how much will give you give as part of your bounty campaign to the forum administrator, it is so hard to analyze a good project and even a good project fail, so if Bitcointalk recommend one ICO and it becomes a scam who would you blame, do not pass obligation to the forum, invest at your own risk.

Sounds good for all bounty hunters here. If we have that kind of mod that elliminates or bans fraud projects maybe there will be no fraud projects left to be joined by bounty hunters. And i think bounties and altcoins discussion would be cleared out of fraud and scam projects, i hope for this new development in bitcointalk.

Some projects can be very deceptive and you might find it hard to easily detect they are scam projects. Sometimes, the project developer or team in general might reveal their identity, but because there is no regulation and they think nobody will be able to get hold of them, they then do whatever they like or feel is okay to them. This is why research should be done from the beginning of a project, till the end of it.

I think you should start to care about yourself and not to wait until some forum moderators will spend their time for us. Just investigate the project by your own and you would be able to avoid scam ICOs on the market.

it is important but we cannot demand because it is very difficult to filter out scam projects, believe that bitcointalk must have thought about this even I am sure they have moved because they must be very concerned about all their members including us who act as bounty hunters
so let's wait

i think forum itself only have limited ability to protect us from a scam. The member itself will do the due diligence on any project themselves, usually if something feels scammy happen someone will open an accusation scam on the subforum. After proven scam or not trustworthy enough, the moderator can give them a red trust or delete/lock thread.

Again we are not "official company" or something like that, so we can't do a KYC here, furthermore, if we do KYC, isn't contradict what the spirit of decentralization of bitcoin? the one started this forum itself, bitcointalk.

I do not think forum should do anything with checking the projects if they are legit or not, it is the responsibility of the BM and you as a hunter. This is why we need  global regulations and that will help to sort our scam projects and teams like Desico.

I don't think choosing a legit bounty is the work of any moderator. You have to learn to take responsibility of your own actions. That is why it would be better if you choose bounties from bounty managers with good track record.

I think it's stupid to find such people. Every bountyhunter must know how to analyse ICO and choose what he wants. It's a part of our job-finding projects. I think you agree with me.

This is the sole responsibility of those directly involved in the project, the bounty hunters, the managers and others. The forum has only given us the opportunity to earn here, so we should not again put the burden on them, because they have got a lot to do.

The forum team should really think about how to reduce the number of Scam projects. Maybe create some organization to check them or skip only verified projects :-\

KYC from big projects like tezos or stellar is acceptable as you know the process will be done properly. However, when it is requested by a small unknown ICO it is impossible to know what they will do with it, most likely sell it in the dark markets

The problem is that scammers are getting more and more elaborate and Byzantine. It would be a full-time job for someone here to do full due diligence on all of them.

absolutely right, the more days I get lazy to follow the project here, there is no regulation that makes the scammers die. they always do the same thing, which is cheating and spending our time in vain ... if this continues, it is not impossible that this forum will be empty of honest people ...

has nothing to do with the bitcointalk moderator. if it is related to bounty, the one who should analyze bounty is the bounty manager and bounty hunter. Bounty managers are also not happy if they get a bounty scam. especially the bounty hunter.

So, for bounty hunters and bounty managers, you have to be more careful. it's all your business.

What you thinking is good, but i think that is not the job of a moderator to select a good project for us.
We have to be extra careful our self when selecting a project so we could avoid to get scammed.

Now there are indeed many scam projects and it is true that this is a waste of time for everyone, of course. Because from the beginning we did not know the project was a scam or not. And I realized that indeed the bounty hunter did not like KYC with the reason that it was very complicated for the buck. Plus the tokens obtained are of no value. That's what makes people lazy for KYC.

The market is always risky and with lack of regulation, the more it's getting risky.
As a bounty hunter who aim for money, it is your job to make a deep research on every project that you will support, I believe that promoting
good projects only will minimize the scams and this will help the market to slowly recover.

Let's do our job help promote crypto by educating the people it's purpose, they should understand that crypto does not give quick return of investment.

No one knows that a certain project is scam or not but by doing your own due diligence you can come to conclusion if it's worth to participate that bounty or not. I think kyc is a good way to prevent multiple accounts to cheat and get paid which they don't deserve.

Am sorry but this is really funny ;D , you just said they need to goto prison and i agree with you but i also sincerely think there should be a way for bitcointalk to moderate this scam bounties , they just keep giving crypto bad names by scheming people out of there money and wasting people's time

Moderator doesn't have much time for it and in determining the scam project or not it is our job as bounty hunter in conducting research, if you join only because famous BM is not guarantee because I joined famous BM but the project he handles scams.never trust anyone, do your own research

Today, the scammers have been increasing. Many people present the scam ICO and it means that we as the bounty hunters also may get scammed. Besides, the presence of KYC progress to claim our reward and get it on wallet sometimes also make us some trouble. Well, whatever the ways to make safe the bounty hunters, we must be aware that we are working, no pain no fee, and the pain will not always make fees.

It could be great if that will happen but it's not fair for the moderators though because they will be doing the hardest job and bounty hunters will have a project that is not a scam. Bounty hunting should just keep going like this so that bounty hunters will really work hard to find a decent reward.

Desico was surprised by the whole company, which consisted of 3 parts, they argued that this new stage and in fact simply took and deceived all the hunters.

Yes, this is a risk as a bounty hunter, of course, we must be more careful in determining the Bounty project. Indeed, I think KYC is needed because using this procedure many account users can be lost.

Maybe just maybe with the small percentage they doing that thing, after they do like you what you said, what is your effort after that? you not gonna give any donation or anything at all, so why they will do hard stuff like that? yet this is like other ordinary forum mate, and if you are bounty hunter then you should research more than complaining more

It is sad that more people were get into scam and even bounty hunters can't escaped from it. Many ICOs were fails due to the condition of the market and it only happens that only few investors will invest their project.  It may the reason why they don't pay to the Bounty participants after their selling period ends and it turns into scam.
We better to look Bounty program that is already escrowed by trusted person to have assurance of receiving payment from our hardworks.

KYC procedure, in the form in which it is carried out most of the projects is very simple to pass fraudsters. They buy scans of passports and send them away.

Why are we so hard to indicate scams at the beginning of the project because many scam projects offer products that are very extraordinary and we are often fooled here, even though we have filtered which projects we will follow and project managers will not be able to do so for project bounties it really requires clear qualifications so that we can avoid scam projects and not spend time on the project.

What you have described is certainly not moderators' work. They care about the operations and development of the great forum. You should do your research and separate wheat from chaff.

Asking Bitcointalk to do the research of fishing out scam project is like asking your federal government to help you find a good job. It's what you should do yourself and make your choice on which projects to join their bounty.

Yes indeed scam projects are very time-wasting, a lot of time and effort is wasted by just following the bounty campaign, I also joined the Desico content campaign which made me stressful because after following the bounty and the progress of the project the scam.

The KYC system often makes bounty hunters feel uncomfortable, maybe it is true that the KYC system does not need to be done by bounty hunters, more precisely for ico developers or large investors who need to do KYC.

Of course, what you are proposing will be good for all of us, but I’m 100% sure that the moderators will not pick and sort projects because it’s not important for them and I think they have more important business and other work. In general, I'm starting to worry about future reward campaigns, will projects finance them?

Well if you give a percentage of your income from bounty hunting to the developers of this forum then they might do it, you are lucky that you can make an income here, there is no other forum like Bitcointalk.

many projects turn out to be fraudulent. I also hope that soon we will be able to see the regulation of such startups

I think its bounty manager job to manage the project that will run. Bounty manager should filter to prevent scam project. I know doing scam project is wasting time but we as bounty hunter need more careful to pick a bounty program.

This forum is designed to allow people to exchange information about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Therefore, moderators should ensure that the rules of the forum are observed. They physically will not be able to keep track of what projects are distributed on the forum. We should be able to filter information and conduct some research before participating in the project. On the forum we only take information, and what to do with it then everyone decides for himself.

I see your point. I hope this message will reach and encourage the moderators of his forum. Because recently we have seen many scam ICO's that is lingering on the bitcointalk thread. I hope they will fully regulate it for it to be more safer in the bounty hunters.

I don't think the forum moderators can bring a solution here, the projects which are presented in Bitcointalk are free to do it. Maybe we can use trust and active DT members will tag them immediately if they detect abuse. But best solution is always to do own research and avoid joining shady projects.
If a scam is confirmed, the project account should be kicked.

There should be other solution for sorting out scam projects than BT . Sometimes projects turns out to be scam in later
stages like it happened with Desico. It seemed to be a legit project for long and suddenly they selected a different way to go.

I'm tired. I have to do something about it since I spend a lot of my time on a bounty campaign and I don’t get anything

Bounty hunters are most times in haste to start promoting a project. Instead of taking our time to investigate and research the project, most might just be busy looking for more bounties to engage in.
Then, what so many do, is participate i n lots of bounty and then that might help to reduce waste of time over one project, but if we do not still research, all the projects might end up bring scam.

I am agree that ICOs should regulate. I think this forum can not filtering a bad or good project because this forum have million member. Its should from authorities to control the project.

the moderators of bitcointalk can not know which project is scam and which is not. they certainly will not do the work of a bounty hunter needs to do and to find out whether a project is serious or not. they have only the same possibilities as any of us. therefore, this proposal is not feasible or good.

It's not about caring or not, but the work of a moderator is not to help us choose a good project from among of the many project that available today.
Even moderator doesn't have the necessary ability to fully able to filter the most credible project, and the main reason, that is not the work of a moderator.

I think that is impossible for a moderator to help us choose a good project. If that were possible then every bounty participant wouldn't need to do many research and don't really necessary to learn about cryptocurrency to know about a good and bad project.

I don't think bitcointalk moderators are to select good bounty for hunters but themselves, also you need to know which manager to follow on every bounty but at time they also fall victim for such bad project has no one can tell the inner mind of those crazy developer who are only to scam until it happen so just be focus and pray not to fall for such bad project again but definitely we can't avoid it .

Like all posters here, we all agree that it is not the job of moderators and administrator to check the legitimacy of the projects here, it's your own money and time, do your own research we are so lucky we have this kind of forum you are ungrateful if you want to do this job for you.

I think it's not bitcointalk's job to find scammy projects rather it's our own duty for the work we choose. Once those scammy projects won't get any bounty hunters they will slowly vanish.

If I am the forum administrator I will delete this thread and ban this guy, asking too much in exchange for nothing, if investors cannot analyze a good project and investment with so many ICO ongoing that will be to much load for moderators, so ungrateful do your assignment.

I think bounty hunter doesn't need that, As a bounty hunter we need to be able to select the project for ourself. Being a bounty hunter means that is our own responsibility to find and select a good project for ourself.

Bitcointalk moderators have a lot of work. not taking care of KYC. the ones who bear the kyc are ourselves. if you find a bounty that is a scam. and you have given your KYC, you cannot do anything. You must be careful about submitting your personal data. because there is nothing you can rely on.

Numerous frauds from ICO projects and deception of bounty-hunters is the other side of decentralization of the crypto market. The absence of a centralized governing and control body to the fact that no one in crypto world can be insured against fraud from their partners. Therefore, the SEC and the governments of many countries are delaying the issuance of permits for cryptocurrency turnover.

Would be really nice and like in a dream. But, unfortunately it won't ever happen.
Probably only way to avoid scams in bounty campaigns - participate in campaigns from "big" bounty managers, who are responsible and do not scam hunters.
Forum but it self can´t control all the scams  ::)

Well there is something that can be done. I mean Bitcointalk can set a few people group to be some kind of sherifs role here. And projects that do contact to that group and answer their questions, that project should be given some kind of rating and the rest should be unrated letting the bounty hunters know which projects have been inspected by the team making it easier for them to pick.

Maybe moderators should participate in good bounty campaigns and indicate the address of your wallet? Get used to work with own head, no one will work instead of you for free.

The forum is more on Bitcoin and crypto currency sharing of knowledges so i think they are not oblige to check and review if the certain ICO is a scam or not as this is the job of the bounty managers because their reputations is at stake. Anyway, the forum did not ignore any project that are proven scam as they really imposed punishment to those involved.

There are volunteers who are looking for those scam projects.
They work freely and voluntarily for the sake fo the community.
But choosing a project that you'll join with its bounty, it's our choice and we should have standards.

IMHO there must be some moderation in bounty and strict rules. If someone didn't pay or changed rules during the company, they must be banned forever. There must be the rule that ICO can't change time terms or payments during ICO or they must go to the blacklist.

Yeah, our volunteers could only do so much like to warn people or give significant information but it'll still be up to us if we want to gamble on a pretty looking project that promises a lot. Your money, your risk.

Lol... the purpose of bitcointalk thread is bitcoin specifically and other alternative coins... not for bounty hunting or any form of promotion... you hunt at your own risk

I think that not a forum should deal with this, but bounty managers who choose a project for a company!

those who don't like KYC because they don't keep their promises at the end of the campaign. they always cheat for various reasons such as reasons that are not in accordance with KYC procedures etc. . even though they have carried out the procedure correctly.

if like that, there must be a penalty for the bounty manager who manages the project scam. the fact is that there are still many scam projects and it is very detrimental to the bounty hunter. there should be a rule for procurement of ico and campaigns, to minimize fraud.

I really agree with this!
I hope this becomes a reality, especially in the project scam
in the past year, I have participated in 4 project scams, this has disappointed my heart
and I don't like bounty which obliges to do kyc

Scammers are getting wise everyday, but still if you do your research and look it up you will get some hints that shows you that it’s a scam. Not everyone can be able to tell when they are falling for a scam, some scammers are wise and it takes someone who is wise to find out when they are pulling some tricks. But you’re still right, something should be done to prevent scammers from scamming bounty hunters, but I don’t think this is what the bitcointalk.org mods can do, it’s way too above them as per decentralization concepts; we only should take care of ourselves.

In all 4 projects, you got scammed for the same reason of clearing KYC ? Why not you just go for clearing KYC with the fourth one by submitting your documents. I am just trying to find out other reasons for bounty hunters getting scammed. I guess KYC is an easy option for ICO operators now a days.

I find the suggestion quite good, even if i think you can not implement it.
The admins can not check every bounty if it is legal.
I think we as bounty hunter have to decide for themselves, on which bounty we participates or not.

It is better for the project to be verified in advance by the bounty managers before launching. Whether the project is real or will be a scam at the end of the campaign. Making some rules and sanctions against project owners who scam I think it's a little wise. I as a bounty hunter felt anger when the project that had been followed eventually became a scam and how much of our time had been wasted because of the greed of irresponsible people.

Bitcointalk is an open platform that allow everyone in the community, I feel there is a need for regulation and  policy developers in the cryptocurrency space where ICO  will be review and allow to pass to  source for fund, not the duty of  Bitcointalk forum, Also as A bounty hunter you must ensure to research before joining   a bounty in other to reduce the risk of being scam.

I will be honest to everyone in cryptocurrency, be it bounty or whatever. You are solely responsible for your own safety. It will not be possible for the forum moderators to verify every project.

Yes they receive no salary for doing that.
They are just concern to the community and that's what they do for free.
But being a bounty hunter, everyone should be vigilant.

Perhaps KYC is a good idea, but I do not think that this procedure will bring much benefit and obviously will not get rid of scammers!

This is a good idea, working in a bounty is not easy its should spend time just to accomplish task in different kind of campaign category in bounties. Need to be a moderator for this matter we cannot depend always in bounty manager it need a help also like assign a moderator for those scammed project. The worst thing is the scammed project almost populated than a legit project now a day so much better there another move to stop this scammer.

then if you want this, are you willing to do also KYC for your account here in bitcointalk?
I think it is the people's decision if they want to join bounty campaign because btt is just a forum and a medium of information and advertisement, it is not duty of moderator to scan projects and if its a scam one they wont allow it to post here.

It is your personal job to screen out scam project, actually i admit it's not easy to discover a good project but some greenlight and instinct will tell you this particular project might succeed.

You know bro, moderator didn't have capasity to select or banning the ICO when its has been posted. They just moderate this forum, giving punish and trust to users, etc. So if you want to know/detect Scam ICO just do it yourself, dude. And then you can get reference for 'how to detect scam' on scam assucation. So, no need to blame someone else. Thanks

I don't think changing the moderator will solve the problem because the scammers are not stupid, they will always be there because they are already installed in this internet world.
especially if the development of crypto is increasing, scammers will definitely become more active because they have many prey.
but I hope there are methods that can reduce scammers.

Don't be so dumb. No one will hire a bunch of people who will protect bounty hunters or simple newcomers on the forum. We are not children and should be responsible for our actions. If during the time spent in the cryptocurrency market you did not learn to distinguish scammers from honest people or projects, then you would rather be engaged in another business, and not blame others for not protecting you from all problems

The admins of Bitcointalk are not the ico police. The idea sounds good in the beginning, but when you think about it, it makes no sense. The admins certainly have enough work and can not additionally check every ico or bounty or what if the admins outlawed banish a serious project? This idea just leads to problems and is not a solution.

It seems to me that it does not just to discuss the activities of the administration so. Bitkointhrol is already and there are incomprehensible things and it can exacerbate our life and activity.

No matter how we with our limited abilities will not check the scammers of the ICO team, we will not be able to distinguish the fraudulent ICO project from the non-fraudulent one all the same. We will regularly fall for fraudulent projects, because in most cases it is impossible to distinguish them. The only way out of this situation is government regulation of ICO activities. Only government agencies are able to almost completely eliminate fraud in the ICO.

Who do you  cry to when you are cheated or get duped by a scam project? No one, that is why there is the need to be extra careful with any project or investment you make. Although the person who hosted the project on the platform might be given a negative trust your monies won't return so open your eyes well.

Scams are not moderated in the forum. If you think that a project is scam and their bounty will not likely be paid, then just let others know. Spread out the word of their potential scam, and people will eventually leave and will no longer join the project and their bounty program. They will get tagged with negative trust feedback which will be enough for people to understand that they are a scam.

You have a valid point. It is really frustrating working on a project for over 3 months or sometimes 6 months and then the project fails, leaving you with absolutely nothing but frustrations. If there could be a kind of assessment and vetting department or team on the Forum curtailing some of these shitty projects, it could go great deal is helping everyone from these eventualities.

I doubt that it will be possible to get rid of such projects completely. No one knows from the first day of the project whether it is a fraud or not, you can see it only after some time.

I agree with the forum participants that moderators cannot help us. It is worth thinking about creating additional awards in the form of tokens for the exposers of fraudulent projects. Highlight, for example, a small percentage of the bounty pool of each project.

At first all programs did not show, would be a project containing fraud. maybe because sometimes the program does not meet expectations and fails midway, which results in losses for bounty hunters who do not get the slightest reward, because they have to return the capital of the ICO participants because there is also a program that requires passing the KYC. sometimes the results are also not satisfactory. so I think KYC is less accurate for bounty hunters.

Why don't most hunters does not verify the project before taking part & I have seen so many hunters posting their social media reports on the campaign thread when the campaign have ended already continuously. This lack of knowledge gives the dishonest projects good chance to get free marketing from bounty hunters who care about money only. Why don't you try to learn about crypto field along with bounty hunting this willbosst your confidence to choose legitimate projects. Bounty hunters need to be vigilant to choose projects carefully as they invest precious time & energy.

That will be a hard task on the moderators trying to moderate every project that launches on BTT. I believe once you find out about any scam act you can report the project or account immediately to the moderator and it will be flagging

You nailed it ;) There are assumptions which can't give same result like concrete facts. I have seen plenty of cases on scam accusation board but reputable members always protect forum and bounty participants against greedy teams.

That's a good observation, bounty work is now very tough to do because of bad project, it's takes extreme length to discover its a bad one. I'll be glad if the moderator can help fish out the bad heads of ico project.

Before participating, you must spend time doing research and you must be careful. I think the moderator will find it difficult to assist us in conducting an audit of the ICO project because they certainly have a lot of work. So you have to find an experienced and trustworthy Bounty manager.

Scammer become wiser so if the bounty hunters have plan to join campaign they must be wiser than scammer. KYC is needed to be impelemented to the bounty campaign to really avoid more accounts join in one campaign and also good for the project but in the difference situation.

Your observations and suggestions are in order. It used to be a great concern to me until I found a way around it. Just follow projects managed by trusted BM. That's all. I mean, it's disheartening to work and at the end get scammed by unscrupulous companies and their teams.

To avoid scam projects from ourselves, we must be more careful in choosing projects, because moderators cannot check one
by one project to find out which projects are scam, there are many projects here so the moderator cannot check all projects

This is the only way to do that, to spread in the forum if there’s a scam project so the bounty hunters will not be fall on that trap. Bounty hunter should look for a good project, and start reading about the project first before they participate. We have a good DT’s right now that can help you prove if its a scam or not, just raise it in the right section/thread and they will help you for sure.

Fishing out scam project was not the work of the forum moderstor because their job is to keep the forum alive, fix bugs issues and everything that include the forum functionality.
Like you people have to do research before joining any project but majority of people dont know how to do adequate research and I will every bounty hunters to always check out for user IcoEthics statement about a project before joining.

You are lucky you are not banned for posting this, you are obligating the forum to check for you what are scam projects or not when even rating sites are even taking a hard time figuring out scam project, what would they get from doing this for you will you give them 50% of your profits from investing and bounty hunting.

Well, if our data gets hacked? It's always possible like the data hack of Bitcointalk in 2014 oder 2015. KYC has no place in crypto and also no place in bounty campaigns. Easy would be if campaign managers check all participants carefully and rejects accounts with red trust immediately.

A fee paid to Bitcointalk to make a bounty would be useful. And send some money as a collateral for bounty payment in escrow.

All project thread article here on bitcointalk is public and it's open for any comments, people eventually share their thoughts if they found it suspicious, you can find those comments either any of their media platforms, it's really hard to say if a project is a scam cause some spend much just to look legit.

I think that every project posted in the Bitcointalk category has an almost good flow. So that everyone has difficulty in determining whether this is a clear project, or is a scam project. Maybe even bounty managers can be fooled by the project. This means that there is no intention to cheat every bounty hunter who participates in the project.

Yes avoid to promote bad and fraud project,  this is not only for bounty hunter and but also for investor.  Last year some ICO turn in to fraud and many bounty hunter waste so many times and a lot of investor lossing money. I think we are all together, bounty hunter, forum moderator and bounty manager should be selective to publish bounty and Ann thread of the project.

Now there are many bounties that cheat and make many participants experience a lot of problems because they feel cheated because they don't get the rewads they should get. this is their problem in recent months

I hope bounty campaign will be profitable at this years with many bounty campaign always distribution payment based on when ICO ended, never delay for distribution and always on time for listing coin at exchange market.

Your wish is good for any bounty hunter, but what is bad about it is, to look for a good project is not the work of the moderators.
I'm sure that even the moderator can't be so sure about any good project that exist, and the worst thing would be, if the moderator miss to choose a good project, all the participant would be blaming the moderator for that mistakes. So the best way would be for us to choose the project for ourself.

It seems to me that it is not the moderators who should deal with this, but bounty managers who take on this or that project!

I think that this is a very serious problem for all bounty hunters and bounty managers too... there are too many scams and most of them are quide doing a good job to hide their nature... I really don't know how to discover them easily..actually I'm checking every whitepaper, checking team and roadmap but there are still projects that reveals a scam after these checkings.

Bounty managers are responsible to check if that ICO they are promoting is a scam or legit. The modetators of this forum is have different job to accomplish like avoid spamming bitcointalk and this is not created for bounty hunters which is far from satoshi's vision when he created this forum. Helping each other is one of the best thing to do when reporting a scam project and you will be rewarded eventually by means of merits.

We are not official workers. We don't have any trade union to save us. We are doing it at one's own risk. If you earn nothing for your work - no one will help you. Accept it if you want to be a bounty hunter in future.

Maybe everyone who joins the project campaign also hopes so, but all that goes back to the project owners themselves, how they order gift managers for prize distribution and also register the coins they have made on the existing exchanges.

but sometimes there are several projects where all activities are handled by the team itself, including on their campaign program. it makes if the team is not so good they will lose the opportunity to develop.

There are so many bounty hunter that lose hope. Because there are so many bounty project that don't pay them for their hardwork. Many projects always extend their project. And many project die easily.

You can't do anything unless a project is proven as a fraud. When it turns out they're fraudsters, they're already announced as a scam and bounty hunters are getting neg trust if they are still promoting scam projects in the forum. What else do you expect to do? I do not think btt forum will ask us kyc.

You want to give BITCOINTALK staff tons of work without payment.
Let the PROJECT ICO TEAM do their KYC if they request it.
If you dont want to do KYC it is up to you but if you think you are getting good amount with them then KYC is okay as long as you are not cheating.

Bounty hunters are required to be protected from the scam projects because they put in lot of efforts to get the project successful and when they do not get rewards,it really demoralize them and their work so managers should take appropriate steps to safegaurd the interest of the bounty hunters.

Bitcointalk is a place for people where they can express their own choice. If your concern is only the bounty, your suggestion would not be valid since not all members here are just for bounty reason. So kyc is always depends on the bounty managers.

I also agree if it is indeed to reduce scammers, but I only ask to facilitate the process of Kyc. so far the process of the Kyc is too difficult to pass. I think just uploading emails, IDs and photos is enough to prove.

There is an easy way to do KYC and some are very difficult. Usually what I think about doing KYC is if it's not comparable we get from the token. If there is little and no price, it is better not to do KYC. What's more filling KYC is very difficult.

It's no need to save bounty hunters from scam projects actually, but investors. Most of bounty hunters dont invest, dont put their money at risks. They probably just waste time for scam project. But investors, they put money on a risky place, probably the money they invest is the last they have. Forum can't do anything to say scam or not scam, but we can. that's why we need to help investors to get a good project, dont let them fall for scam project.

Perhaps it already been mentioned before, in my opinion would be for us to keep on informed.
What i mean is, we need to be active to gain information as much as possible, so we could avoid to get scammed, since that is our own personal responsibilities to find any trusted project/bounty.

That's our responsibility as a bounty hunters, we have to be active and monitor the project we are promoting .
It's not wise to still continue to work when the project is not gaining some investment from the people, they might not declared as scam but when there are no investors interested to invest, most likely it will not be successful and your reward will have on future as well.

Bounty hunters does not invest money but time and effort to promote a project and become successful. However, many are not seeing the importance of bounty hunters. The project will not succeed if it will not because of the bounty hunters. I guess that it is not the fault of bounty hunters if an investors get scam. In the end it is still the investors to do the diligence before investing in a project.

I think that at the moment there is no need for kyc and strict control of the participants. These measures may be relevant a year ago, when many projects in need of advertising rushed to the market.

I think the moderator will not examine every project that comes and they don't have much time to do research and for that we have to do our own research to avoid scammers and not work in vain

KYC currently thinks it is not too difficult, unless they require a utility bill. But I think KYC is only suitable for individuals involved in buying ICO, but for bounty hunter it is not necessary.

I think that it is enough in the bounty thread to inform in advance whether KYC is needed. After this information, the participant will be able to decide for himself whether this campaign is in a bounty or not.
But I support the idea about the moderator.

Bitcointalk cannot be held liable for fraudulent ICOs. Headhunters have to choose their own projects. But if there was a tool for screening out explicit fraudsters, it would be very good.

The good suggestion is to make balance, the hunter becomes aware of personal data from each member of the project developer if they commit fraud there must be a little fear because their identity is known by all participants

Scammers are very innovative nowadays and the moderators will find it extremely difficult to identify the fake projects. There is only one reliable method to stop these scams. It should be made mandatory that the promoters should keep a certain amount in escrow before they can create an ANN thread here. But whenever such a measure is proposed, it attracts opposition from a lot of people.

This is the bad side I think of crypto, which is there's an ico project arise here in this industry to scam others. And I guess We can't avoid it, its part of the any business industry. That's why We as a bounty hunters need to be careful in choosing ICO project, We need to be resourceful, and have reference in hunting good project ico here.

Actually, if the bounty hunter doesn't like KYC. Of course before investing in the project it's better to ask first. For personal, I also often get scam projects. Bitcointalk can't do anything, because here we are participating in the project. If you are not sure that this project is in the future, of course do not participate in the project. So what to think about is ourselves, if you don't like KYC, you certainly don't have to participate, which requires KYC and if the project you are analyzing is a scam project, of course do not participate or promote the project.

I think in this case, it's very difficult to avoid a project scam. therefore, the IEO has now been developed, so that the people involved have a small risk in terms of scammers. in this case, I think we should really do research, so we can avoid getting involved with the project scammer.

It seems to me that the bitcointalk moderators have many of their work and they are not obliged to follow the projects in order to find out if it is scam or not. This forum is a platform where many people not only communicate, but also earn. And as in any business that concerns money, you need to take into account possible risks and rely only on your own strength.

Bitcoibtalk is just a social media but a cryptocurrency social media and have no power to regulate any new projects, bitcoin is just a community and not an authority and at that bitcointalk moderators can not help to stop scam project all it has to do is to provide a platform for scam projects be reported with tangible evidence against them and warn every member of the community against them.

This is easier said than done. Forum Moderators work is already enormous. Bounty hunters should be able to do their own research and filter which bounty to do. But it is quite unfortunate that most bounty hunter don't even reject offers. Some would not even mind Spending $10 data to do $5 worth of bounty payment, all because of lack of research before enrolling. It's high time bounty hunter started doing research before diving in.

In my opinion, the purpose of KYC is good, it's just not guaranteed that the project is successful and most hunters don't like it because it's just a waste of time. So far I can judge for myself about KYC and hope that there will be changes in the future. From what we discussed, I hope to go to Moderator to pay more attention to the hunter.

of course because fraudsters will always be there even though the IEO is safe enough because fraudsters will always be there where there are advantages in it.
there is no perfect system so there is still a possibility for fraudsters to enter.

I quite understand your plight beacause I can also relate with what you are saying due to the fact that I also participated in the deciso bounty. However I will not totally put the blame on the team. Although the issue of scam project is not new in the crypto world but since last year failures of most ICOs have made most bounty campaign look like scam.

A lot of we bounty hunters have so many pains we go through in silence. It is not easy to engage in tasking job of bounty hunting and later find out that the bounty project is nothing but a scam. This can really be so painful and disgusting. In order for bounty hunters to keep enjoying participating in bounty hunting, the rate of scam should be reduced. Projects which are of no future benefits to bounty hunters should be avoided in the forum. Am in agreement to the introduction of Kyc for any bounty campaign so as to limit the prevalence of scam projects . Bounty hunters as well need to be careful and intensify their research very well before participating in any bounty campaign. 

Is not the job of forum admins and moderators to do research and also is hard to know if a project is legit or scam because is need a lot of time to pass to know it, and also is need a lot of research, but kyc can be only a measure and not guarantee a project will succeed.

Well, I think the mods won't apply this kind of thing. By not applying KYC to the forum doesn't mean the mods don't care about scammer or let scammer to be around here. We have a big community here, we can help each other to avoid scam project by doing research for any project. Many of valuable members have done great jobs by busting scam projects. You can't always rely on other so that you need to keep yourself away from scam project by doing research before joining any campaigns.

Campaign managers are responsible, not the forum
many of them do not care about the scrutiny of the project presented to them
as well as many hunters do not care about reading an audit about the project
thus being victims of scam projects.

It will not be so easy to investigate each of these projects. When we look at the required sectors, dozens of new ANN threads are created per day. This is something we should do. Already, most of the time scam projects betrays before time passes.

To avoid scam projects, you should research more about the project being worked on, then understand the team and also the project roadmap. If you do that, you will be safe and avoid scam projects.

everybody says research, research and they never do it. And I do not know a single person who did not participate in the scam bounty campaign

Only I can say that choosing a project is not a job for a moderator, moderator job is to find a people who is spamming in the forum and for kyc bitcointalk is not an ICO or IEO or any trading site that needs an identity and besides bitcointalk operate many years and not new in this society, if you want to choose a good project and to avoid scam it was for you to find out there are many ways don't became a spoon feed.

Always remember that the forum is doing it best, it left with us to do our part. Also it seems to me that in the digital space everything depend on ourselves therefore whatever decision you take could be for your own good and bad. They always warn us to to be aware of scam projects which to me is enough.

Sometimes we know to avoid it but we forget to do it ourselves and only give messages to others. In general, we must conduct research to find out the potential of the project for developers and teams. It is difficult for us to process 2 elements for ourselves and the Crypto room.

of course it is not the task of the moderator in this forum to be able to monitor various projects that are here, because as we all know so many members of this forum have a variety of businesses. managers have a very important role to be able to monitor one of the projects to be promoted, professional managers of course first understand their obligations before deciding to promote the project they will choose

It all falls under the knowledge of "regulations ”, no matter how experienced you are in the crypto industry, you still can get scammed sake of how wiser and clever scammers off late are, it takes only regulations to fish these scammers out which in diverse ways will also increase mass adoption.

That is right what you say. Security from bounty campaign hunters is indeed the first thing to look for. The security of fraudsters will ensure that all projects run smoothly, reliably, and responsibly. I myself will be very happy if there is a moderator or special team to handle the security of a project in this forum. This moderator or team has the duty to control and ensure that the ICO in this forum is truly real and not deceptive. If this can happen then the crypto currency will get better. Investor confidence will quickly rise. Good condition in the crypto currency will be more realized.

Im saying too that we need to resarch before joining,  it's their choice if they do research or not I only gives suggesstion for them to avoid   scam project. But not means doing research you know what happens 100 percent because it is only prediction but atleast you have Idea where the projects possible to happen. The team of the project have all controls if they scam the project or not.

I am very supportive of your idea because I am also one of the victims of many bad projects and scam projects but fortunately I still do not want to stop because I believe that there will always be improvements, there will always be an increase that will occur in this beloved forum, I am sure the forum This also always thinks about it, they must really care about all the members including us, I am sure that one day this forum will definitely be at its highest stage, which will only contain good projects, ICO and IEO and those that are badly indicated will definitely be rejected

The forum is not actually created mainly for bounty hunters, it is created for people who are into cryptocurreny to share news, ideas, market, develop, anything about cryptocurrency. It is actually the manager's task to check whether the project they are managing is legitimate or not, and our responsibility as well as bounty hunter to review the project that we are promoting before joining.

I agree that the moderator cannot monitor and know which projects are scam, the number of scam projects now makes many people feel cheated and KYC also cannot guarantee a project is not scam, to avoid scam projects then before participating in a project must do analysis and research to reduce the risk of fraud

there have been a lot of cases that have happened so far about bounty hunters who get scam projects, it can't be denied anymore in this situation and the growing number of cryptocurrency many people who have evil thoughts to take advantage of this opportunity to be able to benefit by making scam projects.

with the existence of a KYC system, it is no guarantee that the project will succeed, KYC is only to ensure the truth of the people who participated in the project when payment.

all indeed there must be clear regulations for each new project that will circulate and maybe there must be their own team to be able to filter all of this, because this is not the task of moderators in this forum and they already have other tasks to progress this forum need a lot of time to research and analyze each project so you can find out about a scam or not.

It is not the moderator task on the forum to filter out the scam projects. We are the only responsible for our own
investment. It is difficult to judge as some projects turn out to be a scam in later stage.  

You can follow in several groups that always update bounties. we don't have to change the moderator. because the forum's global moderator is very professional. I agree with the forum's decisions and rules regarding KYC. some KYCs have been applied in exchange registration. it is only for security and will benefit the user too.

The existence of a scam project between many good projects is normal, which is not natural if it happens otherwise. Fraudsters will always be present if it has the potential to benefit, so the thing we have to do is be careful. Bounty hunters must work hard and be patient, the results obtained depend on intelligence in taking chances and luck.

One of the goals of Satoshi is anonymity and you're thinking of asking a KYC... right here? in his own community? I think it's not gonna work. The bitcointalk.org was created by Satoshi to discuss things and not just for bounty for what I've remember the only thing that has this forum is the giveaway from the new projects to test their project using the giveaway coins.

Also it's our responsibility to find a good and not a scammed bounty and it's not their concern if we joined in a scam project because right now anyone can create a bounty thread and  introduced their project and if you find a shady or possible scam project you can post it to scam accusation and give proofs and they will tag the account and spread the word in no time.

They will not spoon feed the bounty hunters, we should be responsible for our actions especially in joining bounties.

The forum is already doing that task of checking all scam projects at the scam accusation section. Despite the effort made by the forum to reduce scam projects, bounty hunters are also required to do their own research before choosing a particular bounty program to join. This is a decentralized world where the power has been given back to the people hence no one is responsible for the activities of every bounty hunter or investor.

its not the forum's job to check all the the scam projects . some users are only concern in which they are the one's that check the project and will be the one that give's feedback . if they the found out that the project was a scam , they will imediately create a scam accuse thread on the scam accuse section of this forum  .


kyc is now possible and its mainly required on online exchanges to be able to lift your limits when you are withdrawing large amounts of cryptos/cash  . kyc is also present on an ico for investors  . there now also kyc's on airdrops and bounties even on this forum  .

I hope that time will come that are work will be paid and not go to waste in a fake and scam project, I hope their is a way that bounty hunter will have assurance that are work will get paid

That time would definitely come, but the competition will be bigger in the market.
Crypto space is not regulated yet,  you cannot expect the scammers to stay away when they can still make some money from the newbies or people who lack knowledge about crypto. We can still be safe if we learn from our mistakes, some projects are legit but offer small reward, but it's better than you get nothing.

You are responsible to find the better project, have a research about it before joining and be active for every updates for you not to waste your time participating and gain nothing in the end. Sometimes, though it find as good project but wait for the ICO to success because if it is successful, there could be a good return.

We need to safe bounty hunter but KYC procedure is not more important because many bounty campaign always delay and never giving distribution of coins for bounty campaign participants, we need trusted ICO and paid soon after ICO ended.

Very strict regulations must be made for new projects. So they are more selective in determining new projects, so that bounty hunters and investors are not caught up in fraudulent projects. These new projects must pass KYC so that KYC is not only for investors or bounty hunters. And KYC results for new projects can be informed from the start of the project.

It is true that scam projects are just a time wasting, Our time and effort in participating to their bounty campaign is wasted, I also joined a lot of project bounty  campaign which made me stressful because after following the bounty and some are just a scam.

the agreement that was already made by ourselves now that we know that many bounty organizers are not keeping their promises and even made changes to the agreement after a successful project.

well, some people did it, research and colect inform about it. still got scam and can't avoid them.
i don't thing so people behind ICO on the future like developer, CEO and team work have to fysical place like office for work ICO. they must sharing it into whitepaper and them website inform, pinned map.

Along with many scam projects, the condition of the market is also not very encouraging for the investors. Its been over a year of the bearish market now but the good news is experts think the bullish period is about to start so, I am hoping the market and the bounty hunter will regain their momentum.

This days, Scammers more and more volume.People that has a knowledge present the scam ICO and so means that we as a bounty hunters is welling to join but we have no idea if it is just a scam. And the KYC progress to claim the bounty rewards is just a designed to attract people.

moderators don't have much time to choose projects because they are busy with accounts of scammers, those who have to do research are bounty managers and yourself, for KYC I think that doesn't matter as long as the project team is real

choosing Project is good or not it should not be the work of the moderator.
but the Bounty Hunters must.
we are just bounty hunters and we choose ourselves.
the results obtained also depend on our choice.
so the conclusion is not the decisive moderator

Until now I have chosen projects without other assistance and conducted my own research. Indeed the results that I receive sometimes do not match my expectations. All forms of investment are our responsibility and we must be able to take good care of them.

Bounty hunters are like a freelancers. Well, do freelancers has and assurance to be always get paid? It the answer is yes then you might have your assurance as bounty hunters but this forum is essentially not a platform to find a job, this forum is for bitcoin and cryptocurrency community, to discuss or gather and solve technical issues regarding decentralized technology. It means, the mods are not directly responsible for your loss at working for some campaigns and they don't need to do that kind of action.

Well, the payment system can be improved. The point is that there is someone here who wants. And pay as well. I think you need to exaggerate the rules of the forum in the direction of payment. Then everyone will be sure.

but it will hard for moderator if want to review 1 by 1 project release, it will take many time.
its job bounty manager to review what project their do, and yeah sometime some project dont want use bounty manager and take care their project by theirself.
and for kyc if that for avoid cheating or multiply acccount, i agree for do that.

Each bounty hunter is able to make his or her own investigation to protect themselves from taking part in scams. It is the matter of several ours of reading and searching, but at the end it will save a lot of money and time.

That's right, I am doing the research as ico hunters do. I am checking the team, potential of the growth in the mid/long terms, checking the prototypes and so on. It is the only option to be sure that you have taken the right choice.

We all do that. Detailed analysis. Check managers. And we are reviewing the project. Documents and opportunities for implementation in the market. But unfortunately the crooks, too, have succeeded. And the couple is difficult to dispel the project scam from a normal company. Even after a full check.

It was nice to hear about the safe of bounty hunters because I am one of the victim of the bounty scammers. I've give time to post and send my KYC to the group but after for almost a year the managers declares it a scam. I was so disappoint about what happen.

Its not easy to find scam project, people who build fake project have good inovation to tricky investors, so hopefully IEO bring good future for crypto marketing

Certainly you are right. Just as users learn to distinguish between fake projects, scammers improve and hide their scam projects better.

So scammers are now really good at processing projects that want to cheat a lot of people, what ways they will do to make a profit, and we must be careful in choosing.

It is so hard to tell which one is legit and which one is scam .
And about the KYC I have read that there are some people who send fake details just to get their reward .
It is hard to trust our ID or personal information to them we don't know what would they do to it.
There is no such thing as safe bounty I think even those reputable manager have some hard time finding a good project.

Even though you raised a valid point I doubt if there is way moderators can 100% pin point scammy project. I mean look at  ice-chain there was no trace of them being a scam until they disappeared.

It is not moderators job to prevent you to join scammy bounty it is your job to filter those.

If you do your diligence for joining bounties like you are buying tokens, you won't waste your time.

Its a whole lot of work to suggest that moderators should select good bounties for hunters. Some projects are just not easy to identify as scam, but it should be the bounty hunter's sole duty to decide which bounty to join or not.

For the moderators of bitcointalk.org to start doing all that you mentioned can be a big work for them, just as the one they have done as to be take care of for you and me to be able to be here so I think you should leave them out of this.
Finding real bounty can be so hard but with enough careful observation you should be able to know at least one of few good ones.

The onus of fishing out bad projects should not lie on the managers alone the hunters should take part in the job as well. Every hunter is supposed to study a project before taking part in its campaign.

No one is obliged to do the work for us. Therefore, it depends entirely on us that we will choose for ourselves work, and how we will do it. The better we carry out the selection of projects and managers with whom we will work, the greater will be the chance of our success.

We are the ones who have to research better about the campaigns we participate in, it has many tools to do this, read this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4586576.0

Even though it is still risky, I don't think it is the responsibility of the forum and in relation to KYC it's not feasible because everyone wants to remain anonymous, that is the purpose of the cryptocurrencies, and I don't know if you accessed the website on April 1st, only the joke that Theymos made, were created  a lot of threads questioning and complaining, soon many would stop accessing the forum.

There are forum moderators, right? but i guess hunting and checking every project is pain staking, here's the part where we, bounty hunters, do our role. Let's report projects we think are shady or you notice something fishy.

About the KYC thing, I doubt that the majority will agree to this. As i noticed, there are many bounty hunters complaining re: the need of KYC in a project.

It is entirely the prerogative of the bounty hunter to make choices of the projects to promote and bounties to participate, however a little form of regulation would help sanitize and ward off some noticeable scam projects. Or there should be a quota of the number of bounties that are accepted per specied period here. A lot of careful in terms of choice and decision should be employed on the part of the hunter.

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For this problem, it seems that you don't expect too much because after my service or bounty no one is watching him and most of them will be processed if the reward or project does not pay, so if you want to be safe you may often have to bounty and not just join one

The only thing that bounty hunters need is good projects in which you can earn good money. And if I am sure that the project will not deceive me, I will even agree to go through KYC.
There are a lot of fraudulent ICOs now and this is a big problem for bounty hunters.

Yes, because the more trusted a campaign manager, the more expensive the hire price will be, so a careless project can't easily do that. But that cannot be a benchmark, research on a project must be done even though it's running by campaign manager like that.

even some managers who have great trust are not enough, because they have also promoted a project scam, and have not paid, it is bad for the manager's good name. from now on, bounty managers should really think about choosing a good project.

Bounty managers sometimes also got victimized by those talented scammers, they've really good in talking but in the end of the day they will just screwed everything out and runaway with investors money, the bounty managers won't be able to do anything but to explain with the hunters what the real deal between the project.

i don't like having to do kyc to participate in the bounty campaigns, and i try to avoid those that require it, the only thing that we bounty hunters can do to protect ourselves is request the use of escrow at the beginning of the campaign...

sometimes there are also projects that already use escrow for their bounty program but also end up scam. like the daxico project there is also an escrow that distributes reward bounty hunters but tokens also cannot be traded because the developer escaped. even though I think the bounty manager is also pretty good.

I don't think it's the work of Forum moderators to fish out scam projects for us, it's simply our duty to research deeply about any project that we intend to participate in and also follow them up

Default trust members are doing their work. They red painted everyone who is confirmed scammer. If you provide a proof to them about someone who is cheating, they will mark them red and you will know that you should avoid him.

I doubt If Bitcointalk moderators will have the time to start doing research for bounty hunters. Bounty hunters be the ones researching for a better project. Go to social media, research about the team members, study the Whitepaper. etc.

Well not a bad idea, but in my opinion I think by now you should be selective of the bounties you do, stick to some specific bounty mangers that have delivered in the long
run,don't jump into any project you see, do your findings before embarking on bounty projects.

This opinion is very good and profound but I think there are too many projects and Bitcointalk can't control it all. Because a lot of projects are born every day. It's really annoying when Bounty Hunters lose words three to four months of effort and time. Then the results they get are frauds. The projects I think should force KYC before joining Bitcointalk as you mentioned will be good for our community.

There is a thread to report scammy projects and even flag their bitcointalk profile. But I must agree to the fact that must still needs to be done. I suggest an enforced KYC for the team members of any project that wish to use this platform to drive its market. This will be a very great addition to us all

Oh I'm also a bounty hunter  ;D. What I was thinking about when participating in the projects was to thoroughly understand the project before joining. Does the project have a clear development strategy? Is the project development team capable and truly working hard to make the project develop or not? That's the important thing. --> Forum moderators do not have to select the right projects or not

Is it possible to ask KYC for bounty hunter you think? Not necessarily reduced. Because they will find a way to overcome KYC. -> It is important that Bounty Manager must be the checker of Bounty hunter. Do they do that or I am not sure because there are too many people involved in the project they manage.  That is my opinion. How about you  ;)

bitcointalk could not consider fraudulent projects. There are many good managers on some of the first projects that the following projects will have a scam project. Bounty hunters consider selecting projects to join.

The KYC does not guarantee that the project could have a great success and not to abandon their project as well, Thus there is no particular courage to pass it from the bounty hunters more than once ,It appears that mostly of the project right now remains silence.

This forum not responsible for any scam stuff, you have to do it with your own risk. Yes, they will act when they find the scammers but they don't want to involve with bounty shit but they want to get rid of bounty instead! About KYC stuff, again it's your risk to do it so.

That's asking too much, they are overloaded of to many spam post and you want them to do a research on the best project in the cryptocurrency, while you just sit there do nothing and invest, the forum does not deserve people who want to be spoonfed, do your own research you just want to have someone to blame when things don't work out.

Agree, the Moderators are too bussy to handle such things, about KYC i'm actualy hated it to, But it was necessary thing to handle Clone account or bot. Doing research by own self is the best way to avoid scams and fraud. Even website that provide ico rating it can't be trusted anymore.

First of all, I would like to welcome the new management team. You have picked a good and burning issue of fraud projects scamming many investors and bounty hunters alike. I think authorities should put in place strict regulations to stop scam projects. Besides, we, bounty hunters, bounty managers should also join hands in this regard. Likewise, bitcointalk management team may also help.

This issue will continue to grow and expand. when we all still don't have the ability to analyze properly, we cannot avoid scam projects. our ability and intelligence will make ourselves able to avoid scam projects. our ability will provide knowledge whether a project will be successful or not.

It is very hard to find which project is scam or not until the last moment. I do not about Desico. But the bottom line is that we all should come together against fake projects. We should also be extra cautious about scam projects. Although the market is seeing increasing number of scammers and scammers are walking free, no authorities seem to be concerned. Strong action should be taken and regulations be in place.

if we do not selectively choose bounty, the risk is high trapped by a scammer. Indeed warning scammers rarely occur at the beginning of time. we should study the bounty from various aspects. There is nothing wrong if we feel suspicious first. This will make us more careful

This is forum, people have freedom to sharing his/her opinion.
There is no limitation on the forum, we can't force a new member on the forum doing a KYC.
Somehow, be a smart bounty hunters. If you want to avoid scam bounty, check the detailed information on the project first before joining on the bounty campaign. That's how you can minimalize the risk being scammed.

Bounty hunters do not like to undergo the KYC procedure for various reasons. Some are afraid to give their personal data in unscrupulous hands, because they are not sure of the honesty of the developers project. Others are against because they use multi accounts.

Well this forum wants to stay been a 'forum' there is nothing bitcointalk forum can do about scam bounties but my own point of view is it might worth it if this forum start fishing out scammers themselves too

In the first place, scammers cannot be called in this word if they don't have a victim, isn't right?
It is also true that most of the community in bitcointalk forum they hate KYC, but sometimes due to its part of the
rules and policy in the campaign, they do nothing about it but to follow its rules. So, the better things We need to do
is be careful in investing ico or joining the bounty campaign to avoid scammer and scam project as well.

Actually most of them are not scam at first.
But, the raised too few money to run their project, so.. they ran away..
So, the best thing to join bounty is find the project that already have and running the product

indeed some people are afraid to do KYC for the reasons you mentioned. but i personally do not mind KYC and i will continue to follow the procedure provided that the project is truly real and has a responsible team.

indeed it is very difficult to find a good and responsible project we have to work hard for it. don't let us miss a golden opportunity to benefit from our work as a hunter bounty just because we complain about this and that and ultimately regret it. find out first, if you believe the project is good then follow the procedure. if not, leave it and don't regret it.

These things will never work. As you can see, the bounty sub-section has only one moderator, who is also over-seeing a few other sub-forums. Is it viable for him to manually check each one of these thousands of bounties? I would say that we need to take the precautions ourselves. For example, we can only consider campaigns from well respected bounty managers such as yahoo62278. Or we can limit the participation to those projects which are already listed on various crypto-exchanges.

I think it will not gonna happen. Choosing a good bounty program where bounty hunters can participate and work for their bests to gain rewards is a duty of a bounty hunter, not by the moderators of this forum. They have no idea if the published bounties here in forum is legit or not, so it is important for a bounty hunter to choose a legit bounties before joining.  ;)

Another forum participants are looking for fraud/scam with ICO and publish their investigations in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0. And DT2 give the red trust ANN topic starters and bounty managers after such information.

Joining bounties is risky from the start. You are doing works for free and you are not guaranteed that you are being paid. That's the nature of bounty hunting at all and I think that bitcointalk moderators are not entitled to protect the bounty hunters from scammers because bounty hunters from the start are not safe.

Of course, the forum administration may take certain steps to ensure that there are fewer fraudulent ICO projects on the forum. However, on the other hand, this will already resemble censorship, since there may be a subjective approach. Therefore, it may be better if there is no regulation by the administration of the forum. In addition, bounty hunters themselves must learn to distinguish between fraudulent ICO projects and non-fraudulent ones.
Regarding the so-called fraud using multiple accounts, I immediately want to say that this is not a fraud, but simply a violation of the rules of this forum. To eliminate this violation, KYC verification cannot be used categorically. The KYC check should be applied only for the purpose for which it is intended - the prevention of money laundering and the fight against the financing of terrorism. For other purposes, it cannot be used because it violates our privacy rights.

what you say is part of what we feel as a bounty hunter. but this is a risk for all bounty hunters who take part in the campaign
because it will be very difficult to ensure that the project is really good or not a scam, this regulation will be greatly needed to become a bridge between investors, communities and ico.
and for KYC this is also still a discussion that does not find a solution

I am sure there are many members here who always provide education for bounty hunters and investors to be more careful in every ico project including those who hunt bounties.
so this is a complicated problem to make it safer without risk. surely none of the bounty hunters and investors want to be involved in scam projects.
so I think this will really need cooperation and provide education about projects that are really bad and lead to scams

Ternio scammed its airdrop/bountry/affiliate partners


They  have started an airdrop and asked everyone to create an stellar   wallet, preferable on LOBSTR as they have some kind of partnership with   LOBSTR team. They have told everyone for the 4-5 months that airdrop   tokens will be sent to LOBSTR account after 6 months of ICO end. ICO   ended on 15th june so distribution was supposed to happen around mid   december. But then they changed there decision at the beginning of   december and asked people to create an account for there new product   "Blockcard" and airdrops will be sent there only. They didn't send any   email to the participants of airdrop stating the same, only informed it   on telegram group. Since airdrop was going to happen after 6 months,   many people were not active on telegram and waiting to get it on there   LOBSTR wallet. But when they didn't received any token in dec 2018, they   asked about it on telegram and got a surprise that nothing can be   happen now. They started banning the people who ask about missing the   airdrop. Founders keep those unclaimed airdrop tokens for themselves.

They  also have a referral program running and for each referral they're   giving 50 TERN tokens. The rule was simple that people need to register   on there website and that's it. No KYC required, no ICO investment   needed, no condition of joining there telegram group either. After 10   months of referral program being ended, when people asked about referral   tokens, one of the founder "Ian Kane" said that all the referrals had   to go through KYC. I asked them personally many a times that why  someone  will do KYC after 10 months of initial registration, they've no  reply  of that. When many people started saying it's not fair and they  have to  come up with other solution, they started banning the people.  Everybody  knows that more than 90% of people are not going to do KYC  after  10months and mos probable they would have forget about  registering on  ternio. So founders are keeping all these tokens for  themselves.
Here's the link to the referral stats - http://stats.ternio.io   which has been taken down now so no one can see there referral count.   But few people have around 2k referrals and some have 1k+ referrals.   While the site was up I calculated that around 6M referral tokens was   supposed to be distributed. Now they are keeping 90% of them for   themselves.

when you ask them , they will ban you.

This is also not going to work. The scammers usually don't have account here in BT. So usually they hire someone to post the ANN thread, or create a junior level account. Even if the DT members tag the account, it is not going to affect them. They will just hire someone else or create another account. That's why despite all these investigations, we are still having scams.

Bitcointalk is only a forum, they are not involved in any project, all what they do is to moderate the forum and they take care of following the rules by everybody. To access safe projects the best ones are with the bounty in escrow.

I am totally agree with you on this, there should be a solution for bounty campaign. Nearly all bounties ends unsuccesfuly in last 1 year, all bounty hunters wasted their times for nothing.. I am sure that the ICO scamming situations and too many participations killed the bounty business.. That was just like a dream in couple of years ago but now it's dying..

there's no point in doing KYC, many people can buy fake identities on the black market.
and the moderator is not likely to check every project, I don't think they will have time.

I think this forum must add additional rules for bounty manager.
1. Bounty manager must do KYC before posted bounty program, at least this can reduce the number of scam bounties.
2. An account with red trust can't post bounty thread, so bounty managers will be more selective in choosing the bounty they will hold.

As a bounty hunter we spend our valuable time behind bounty and last we get nothing from scam project. A good manager can play very good role to promote good project.  we should choose good manager for good bounty.

I didn't exactly speak for myself. For me it is not a problem to go through the KYC procedure if it is necessary in accordance with the terms of the project.

Before I proceed to answer some of your question, I will like to tell you that it might be very difficult to spot a scam project at the beginning of a project. Like I use to tell some of my friends here, you will only know the true colour of project dev after the end of the campaign. At the beginning, they will always want to answer your questions and provide quick support but as soon as the sales end, they see you as nuisance and will see you as enemy of the project. Regarding KYC, you are the one that will have to decide whether to do bounty that require KYC or not. To me , no matter how much energy I have put on a bounty, ones I discover that team are not being regular on telegram, no regular update on social media then I work out of such bounty

Conducting research, we can only assume that the project will be successful! We just can not know for sure, because there is not all the necessary information, we only superficially study the project. We only see what we were shown!
I don’t think that the forum is capable of checking projects for cheating! There are a lot of them and this will require a lot of time and resources.

The moderators of the forum a lot of other work. So load them that they controlled the fraudulent projects would be superfluous. Why do you want other people to do everything for you? Choose projects guided by your head.

Bitcointalk forum is not responsible for what you ask for. There are different sections in here and how do you want them to also monitor and fish out bad projects for you. That's your duty because I know you won't also share your profits with the forum when you hit a big fish.

yes, we really need to be able to analyze the project independently in choosing projects because fraudsters will always be there so we cannot trust anyone and we cannot depend on anyone including the moderator because they also cannot do much.

It is necessary to somehow make such topics on the forum, add a scammer to the titles. When choosing a topic, everything is erased and is written not reliably. Identify such a vote of users in the topic.

It's quite unfortunate that after entrusting your time and effort to a campaign you get disappointed because of the project inability to keep up with the term of contract. Some projects are still existent, but refuse to pay bounty hunters after carrying out their work. Project like huobi Russia have decided not to pay bounty hunters. Its an exchange and still existing, but failed to pay up.

Most people really don't like KYC. Especially I personally don't like the same thing. If we do the Kyc on the project and in the end the project has no development and even dies. In my opinion, it is very disadvantageous if we have done Kyc, but what we can do is not comparable to our data. So for now, maybe what should be done is, if there is a bounty, I must, of course I will not participate there.

No where have I seen a safe bounty hunter
We are subject to various criticisms unfair treatment and even amongst bounty hunters enviness

There is need to zero out mindset and expect any reactions on this space

I agree with you that our data is the most valuable thing that can be and every time we go through KYC we pay a high price

not all KYC you do will have high value. sometimes there are projects that request KYC at the beginning, and that does not guarantee that the project will develop successfully, there is a possibility that all of them will be empty.

I agree with most people here, I think Bitcointalk should enforce that Bounty Managers should go through KYC and if found out that anyone post fake project there should be disciplined f9r that and with it they will be careful on the project to post but nonetheless we as individuals need to also make research on our way before joining any project

be careful and always supervise the project before joining, because we can get stuck if we are negligent or we are careless in making decisions.
a lot of frauds and fake projects make many people disappointed so they don't want to participate anymore, but actually not all projects are bad and there are still very good projects if we can find them, but it's hard to get good.

I smell a blame game here. What we do on this forum are our responsibility and our own decision-making. It is not the moderator's job to evaluate what is the good bounty for you. Even bounty managers are not obliged to do it for you though they should also make their own personal research to prevent spreading and helping scammers o so what they want.

An audit team must inspect the ICO project and conduct screening for new ICO projects. Many projects fail and many bounty hunters complain. We need a real solution to avoid fraud. I am personally a KYC, no problem the most important thing is that the project can be successful.

Well, I agree with you that bounty managers should protect their reputation by accepting real and genuine projects. However, the major responsibility lies with bounty hunters who in most cases at the receiving end. Bounty manager can agree with the team that his reward should be in btc or eth but bounty hunters does not have this choice.

It is our responsibility in which project to invest not the CMC. Unfortunately, many scam projects out there and it is very difficult to identify them in early stage as they could turn out to be a scam in later development phase. Their package very often look perfect for investors at the beginning.

Moderators of this forum do not participate in the analysis of projects. They have enough to work on this forum. A very large number of bounty hunters are trying to Scam the community and have a whole farm of bots. You need to take care of your safety and not to participate in bounty programs. Now there is a very good tool such as IEO.

The forum was not created for the earning of bounty hunters, therefore administrators sneeze you entered into scam bounty and deceived you) go down from heaven to earth, if you come here to earn money, study projects yourself, or who is not obliged to you ... many say that a forum without a bounty will die, this is a big nonsense) he lived before without distributions and was by the way much more interesting, since it was easier to find the necessary information ... there are a lot of interesting people on bitcointalk with brilliant ideas who can learn and gain knowledge .. in bounty you are not driven at gunpoint, you voluntarily enter ... I summarize: "Help yourself on your own"

No one participating in desico's campaigns knew that it's a scam, so definitely it makes us be wiser next time before investing or taking a part in some projects

I don't think the forum's task should include care of the bounty hunters. The forum is a free site and anyone can post, but to test the project the necessary legal rights that are not in the moderators forum. Therefore bounty hunters need to rely only on their own strength and unite in a community to find scams together and tell the rest.

I think it's time that we as a bounty hunter should stand up for ourselves, must you join bounty based on people's predictions, it's time we stand up and do our own indebt research about project we intend to join cos asking Forumn  moderator to help point out scam project is like you still been a child and asking to be fed all the time when you are hungry

Yeah, a simple logic. If bounty hunting is a job, why should moderators choose you a legit job? We all know, this is a forum to talk anything about bitcoin and cryptocurrency, and essentially not a place to find a job. We should be grateful theymos doesn't delete signature or any advertisements in this forum, instead of complaining.

It is not possible for bounty manager to be 100% certain about the authenticity of a project or not. The duty should rest with the hunters involved in the promotion of the project they have to do comprehensive research on their own before choosing to join a bounty and not just joining one because of hype or peer opinions

Yeah you are right and I also agree on that. Even how good bounty hunters to filter each project there are still some projects that will ended up scam. I hope I'm able to see this in the future.

Sadly there is no rules or something like that, that can prevent ICO scammer. It's only from us, so we must be careful before invest on ICO or joining a bounty. I hope there is also a rules by bitcointalk like you must pay some amount to open an ANN thread about ICO or some rules like that.

it would be better if it was implemented, I strongly agree with one of your opinions.
can the forum make KYC rules for ANN makers and apply tariffs for permits and legality of the ANN so that fraudsters will think again to commit crimes

I'm sure someday you will see it many projects are filtered and only projects have good prospect who appeared in this forum so that investors and bounty hunters are spared from scam or garbage project

But there must be more moderators to.kick  asses of the growinh cheaters bounty Hunter's also?because thats why the project becomes scamming is the same reason that they know many cheaters are gaining tons of money from them

And besides there are some other field to gain here in crypto and not just by joining bounty.

And also consider investing into these project  lol

i dont think bitcointalk can fish out bad projects for bounty hunters even if they want to. bitcointalk is a free society to discuss bitcoin and blockchain related issues, so fishing out bad and scam project is the work of bounty hunters themselves, this could be done by making more research about the project and the team behind the project before you jump on the project.

the responsibility of checking which bounty campaigns are legit is depends on us.. even in this forum if they implement kyc or whatsoever just to prevent fraudster - posting their ann or bounty in this forum is not easy.. fraud or scammer have their own strategy as well

Correct, Bitcointalk moderator will never touch ico projects. If we want to join safe bounty, we can do research first, than start to make decission to join bounty or no.

we must do research for every decision we make before we join a project. and it is a risk that we have to take on our own, I think we already know how this forum works. and there is nothing we need to blame.

In the first place, you are not here to do bounty hunting you are here for discussions, but the forum administrators allow bounty hunting here, without any share from your work, you are the one making a profit here, so you should be the one to do research on what and where to invest.

They are expert from what they are doing, so being a hunter needs to take more extra time before joining  and supporting project, research who's the team behind and check the manager that will help the team to assist with bounty campaigns, there's no assurance but it will give some chance that the project will work well if the team and the manager do have good reputations.

but now most people come to this forum to participate in the bounty campaign, the reality is that. The forum provides a place for us to be able to choose a really good project. right you say, now all depends on us alone to be able to choose the best project in our opinion.

The moderators already have work on the hands and to add the verification of new projects before their are introduced into the community will be an extra job for them and may not have the time to do the moderating job the are scheduled to handle. I think the bounty managers should have that responsibility of searching out a project either it is legit or fake before bringing it to the forum.

I think you are referring to Bounty Managers which chooses projects to manage. My question is that, So Bounty Managers can decide on their own? Or there are persons behind the Bounty Managers who will decide for their projects? We'll of that would be the case, if there is a team behind the Bounty Managers, they should really consider other people like Investors and Bounty Hunters, take time to research and make sure that they will really get a good project. That way, everybody will be happy and ICO will regain its reputation and momentum.

So, if I understood you right, you mean the due diligence term that is ususally referred to the projects conducting IEO on some exchange. Bounty due diligence? Sounds great!  

It's likely bounty hunters who are to search out if the project is legit or not, and conduct their own research. Bounty managers are just managers, no more.

Even though you think the project for bounty hunter should be verification for the safety, you should also select and research the bounty project that you want to follow. Because for the researching one project you should take the much time, but you will not feel sorry after you enjoy the result.

Here we need some implementations from the outside, some services that would track the scammers, since the Bitcointalk site is not addicted to it. We need to come up with some kind of punishment for them, without punishment the scammers will become more and more

Because scam project bounties, the bounty hunters and investors were suffering their loss at the time and money they spent.
If KYC required for bounty hunters, maybe the developers of the project required to be KYD as well, so it will ensure the developers are real.

doing research and analysts and spending a lot of time is a natural thing done by hunters, this is so that when joining a project they can be as expected and reap maximum results.

Personally I'm a small bounty Hunter and my choice bounty not good. I think 80% of my choose bounty going to scam and ico failed. Even now I'm understand need good project to select of our luck.

I think the right person to select a scam project is not a moderator, but a bounty manager is the most appropriate person. I suggest choosing a bounty that is managed by a bounty manager who has a good reputation, even though that does not guarantee if the project is not a scam, but that is enough to help me since 2017

I participated in Desico, wasting all my precious time on the bounty campaign. I even wrote articles for the project, only not to hear anything from them again. It could be so embarrassing and disappointing. I just wish one could easily discern scam projects before starting.

Projects are everywhere, we hunters should be the onewhose responsible on choosing a good project to join.
I hope everyone on this forum are studying and making research before joining any campaign. dont waste your time and effort.

I don't think it is a good idea to add this job to that of the moderators. They do well by preventing spam on the forum and I think they awarding negative trust to those that promote sp am projects is a good thing and they should keep it up.

I dont think there is a way for moderators to know the genuine of any project but the bounty manager who really relate with the developer and must have reached agreement before the announcement .

But most project turn to nothing when they see how market situation turn out to be as the result of no much funds to kick start the project .

So we just have to be very careful in selecting any project we are joining and that will only protect us from scam project but the aspect of moderators to know is very at high side.

Definitely Manager is big things to promoting SCAM free bounties. But i'm very disappointed when i see very well known manager promoting shit project and it will be never pay. Currently majority of the bounty managers are newbie(copper). I prefer escrow service in every campaign and here without tension hunters can work with a lot of bounty.      

It's not their fault, I've talked a lot with some bounty managers, they only talk to projects through Telegram. And when the project does not want to pay for bounty hunter, the team stops connecting to the bounty manager

Most of them are already reluctant in this regard. Noone wastes their own business after a few years of effort. They get negative trust even if they do not have any info about scammers.

I believe the forum should be open to everybody no matter if the project is good or bad, we all have to learn from them. Choosing the right project depends on the bounty hunter and not by the forum administrator so i don't agree with you. Everybody should have access to the forum to publish their opinion.

this is so deep, it touch my hear.
you right, i don't have a problem with merit, rank, KYC and other rule in here and bounty campain too.
but we need a true work, true project and true payment.
we need a help for you all, need it so much.

a fraudulent project is very difficult to avoid because everything looks the same except if it really exists in real work or the product being developed really does exist in the real world, I think bounty managers have also done their job to look for projects the good but can not be denied anymore what is planned behind that we all do not know. maybe there must be strict regulations for every new project that will come out so that those that do not comply with the standards that have been determined by the regulation cannot come out.

I've just observed that it became habitual that at first these bounty campaigns will lure the bounty hunters with the ample allocation but then the bounty team will cut the allocation into halves at the middle of the campaign. Are they making fun of us... Just my observation.

I hope Bitcointalk will start caring about its people ,there should be new moderators that can fish out bad projects on here to avoid wasting time of bounty hunters

The main purpose of the BITCOINTALK website is the forum itself to share knowledge and information to people from different places.
BOUNTY is just another function on this which is not planned at first. the risk should be take by the hunters as they are the one who should examine and study the project first before joining any campaigns.

Too trusting with the initial project makes it easy to get the final results later..
if I myself, for the time being, I will not follow any ico at this time because it will only throw away our capital, and I will only look for a safe point by participating in a bounty that uses social media assistance..

The problem is required by developers. to get rid of phishing projects is a difficult problem.

It is good idea to identify fake projects and root out them. But the main problem is that it is difficult to identify them. The bad thing of cryptocurrency is a scam being run by fake projects in the name of ICO. Such illegal activity has also affected the entire crypto market. Instead of moderators, strict regulations are much needed. The role of moderator is limited and he or she cannot claim that a project is a fake. Authorities must take steps to bring strict regulations.

now it has become much easier after the appearance of IEO. Now the exchanges are committed to recognizing scam projects or fishing projects and this makes our work easier.

There have been many who guarded that no scam, including from the team and the right users, would not occur fraud for bounty seekers, I don't think that would be enough if you were not careful with what you did and it was not the full responsibility of this forum

It is indeed difficult to get rid of phishing projects but that does not mean that it cannot be done because the phishing project is made from someone's wishes, this can certainly be prevented even though it is very difficult, at least the phishing project can be reduced.

The thing is that most people think the forum moderators here need to to do everything for them, even telling them what project to invest in. It's sounds so bad hearing a hunter asking for forum moderators to choose bounty for them.

It seems to me that it is better to trust a bounty platform than just 1 bounty Manager.Yet when everyone in the team is doing their job so much better.Answering the question of the author who created the topic, I want to say that the forum moderators are unlikely to be engaged in identifying scammers.They already have enough work.

then, now how to reduce it? Until now I think there are still too many and there has been no serious effort to reduce even to throw away a project like that. all still depends on our analysis and luck in choosing a project.

Just as the OP, everyone would also have his story to tell as regards his encounter with scam projects. Sometimes we might not be able to totally avoid it. The best sometimes will be thta you do not rush into engaging yourself in their bouny. Try to reserve some time to do research and make findings through experts, in which we have some on this forum. you might personally decide to carry out research on the team. If the team is real and they are those who have integrity, then there is possibility the project succeeds.

I think we should investigate a project, sometimes we fall into fraudulent projects, it's very funny ...
and we cannot blame the moderator for that. but looking for a gift program that can be BM  by someone who can be trusted or a gift platform that often launches real projects, it's better than we research existing projects and this can minimize us falling into fraudulent projects

Likewise, I feel that until now there has been no guarantee of safety for hunters even more than fraudulent projects, but here hunters always try their best in analyzing and working. It's not easy to find a good project if it's only based on good knowledge, I also still don't understand why some are just nonsense and waste time. At least we just want to collaborate well and maintain the Cryptocurrency reputation from other bad things.

I don't think it will help the forum! Rather it can harm the reputation of this forum and its aims! Because you can't be 100% suire about a project until they well regulated. Many ICO project looked great but they ended with scam!

I would like to add up something to your information provided, what I can say is that, bounty managers should be the one to figure out this, along with us, we are a community here, and sometimes managers might not notice the failure or hints that a scam bounty can provide. And we should establish a good team here where we are aware of the market and its projects running.

we often to see succesfull ico projects at the middle of developtment be scam projects.take  a look at titanium , they reach hardcap and even could create new highest price.but unfortunately it has problem with SEC and finally be scamm.

I think the bitcointalk management team has no rights and no responsibility for bounty hunters being cheated. they can only manage topics and give notice that there are quite a few reporters.
Our work now has a good salary and so we have more risks. We need to be more sophisticated when testing projects and also need some luck!

There are many scam projects are coming with their ICO or IEO but who knows it is a scam or good as they also using https;// security in their website.  it is only the platform Bitcointalk who can apply its expertise as a moderator to ban this project here. So, that the bounty hunters are get rid of loosing of their time with the money and the personal information. Again, their should be no KYC compliance for bounty hunter. Then only the bounty hunters will stay safe.

youre right buddy, in the past 3 bounty program im participated and already finished, they cut the rewards allocation from 500k$ and become 100k$, maybe on the rule say the team and bounty manager can change the rule, but they can change the rule not the rewards, and if they told it from the beginning, i think just few hunters would participated, so they actually cheat us as tools whos already help spread about their project, so please safe us as a bounty hunters.

You got it all wrong, cause every hunter should research and make a decision of the project they want to participate on, Bitcointalk has nothing to do with it. Kyc is a thing of choice, if you can't deal with Kyc then don't participate in that project.

it is not easy to determine a really good project and certainly will have a lot of risks that we must bear.
we must be good at researching and finding out the truth about the project.
if you find a wrong project, you will be in vain to join.

Fraud projects are often sent by our friends for reasonable reasons. But as long as I joined and was actively involved in gift activities, only a few others told me about the right fraud project. That's because of coincidence. Regarding the Bitcointalk forum moderator, I think this is very good in carrying out its functions. As for scam projects, as you mentioned, it's a job rather than a bounty campaign manager. Even if the project they manage ends in a scam, the risk will be received, one of them from the bounty participant.

Bitcointalk is a public forum for discussing blockchain and cryptocurrency project, and administrator on this forum not guarante if any fraud project because anybody can make announcment for introduce their project and in this forum

most bounty hunters really dislike the existence of KYC for new projects being launched, because they fear that the given identity can be misused by an irresponsible team. it is true that this is only a waste of time because the identity that we provide is not necessarily able to be diversified by the project, while one of the conditions for receiving prizes is to give KYC first

yes all risks must be prepared if we are not careful because there is no strong law that will protect bounty hunters from all kinds of fraud. so do everything carefully and always do research first to make sure our choices are right and will produce a good profit later

everything a bounty hunter does in doing everything he does with or without the risk that the project is right or wrong,
every bounty hunter must be able to research everything he will follow. decisions are in the person of each.

Indeed, but we should not worry about identity document because the developers team just want to comply with the law. In european zone, our identity protected by GDPR law and i think bounty with KYC is good but not indicating its a good project because its different area

There is no safety without regulation, we are the one who will evaluate the project, and if we think it has a potential, then we decide to invest.
Making money is hard, that should be at least what we have to think for us to make an effort on researching the project.

Stay here if you a risk taker, and if you are not, you should go with other forms of investment, it's impossible to prevent scammers to use this forum to scam people, so really take it serious when investing here and don't allow them to scam you.

It's each individual's responsibility when they do bounty. The forum has actually no obligation on determining each project's legitimacy. This forum is open for all so as a member and if you do bounties, take time before joining one. Don't put your responsibility to others as if they are the ones that should do research for you.

Providing protection to bounty hunters is very important. There are many projects that fail and this makes bounty hunters lose their time. Even investors also suffer losses and they are reluctant to invest again. So it is very important to make very strict regulations to protect bounty hunters and investors.

this is not task of moderator and this is the task of bounty manager to determine projects that will be handled and we as bounty hunters also have to choose and study the projects we will follow, if you only depend on the moderator then when you will develop to know about crypto ? don't be lazy to read and don't just expect a lot of money but keep learning

Finding Scam projects isn't responsibility of this forum but there are few members of this forum are trying to find out scam projects, scammers regularly. Their hard work also saves investors from losing funds, and hunters from wasting time in scam projects.

For the mean time the one who needs to investigate about bounty is us, let's ask ourself first if it is really necessary to give them our information or are we just giving them somethings that we gonna regret it later. I think doing KYC on any bounty is too much risky I don't want to get involve in any of that even it means to get some money I don't give them my precious information.

its really hard to do your main request, but it still possible. comparing which project are scam to other are depends on your proper research, even famous and experienced bounty managar cant decide it in the first time he promote the project...learning and knowing every detail of one project is a must, like what i always said bounty hunter are cryptocurrency investor in the other way, thry invest their time, energy and effort to do some research and promoting the project.

There have been fewer and fewer good bounty companies lately. Even with a good Manager, she can be a fraud. And from the forum moderators here do not depend. We are responsible for the chosen company, no one forces us to participate in it.

you are 100% correct. it all depends on us to be able to choose a project that is truly worth choosing. and when we have chosen to join the project, we must accept the consequences. scam, cut allocation, pending distribution, token locked, and no distribution I think it's a risk of our choice to join the campaign. we must be aware and still develop ourselves. it is the best choice.

This topic have been discussed before so many time and as admins said they will not implement KYC in this forum as most of the people here wants to remain anonymous, in terms of the scam bounties its your choice so you cant blame anyone if you got scammed by a campaign.

It will be nice if that is taking in to consideration but the ecosystem itself is full of undecide things like hacker , scammer and I dont think that can be eradicate in this space of crypto we are .

We that participate should always do our research as well before we join any project and always hope for winning and there is probability of losing some and win some we can't win all .

every ecosystem is full of scammers, specially these that are unregulated
but we need to fight them with information regarding scam projects, and share them in-between to avoid those projects

Its left of we hunters to choose only solid projects ,what you are asking for will never happen because it will require lots of work to wipe out all scam projects and keep the forum clean from such projects

I think that in 2017 there are a lot of fraud cases.
but the ico project is sometimes not deceptive but does not reach the target or fails so for bounty hunters not to get what is normal.
but the effects of the ico scam can make a big influence on the crypto world.

in 2017 there were many good projects and made money for bounty hunters. if you speak in 2018 it is the truth that almost all existing projects do not give money to bounty hunters. even though the project is successful in sales they do not have a decent value after entering the market.

It's hard cause  every project always come almost everyday. And to be honest it's not moderator job to do that. It's manager job to filter which one is real and scam project. It's not easy to filter so many project that come to your table.

This is a Decentralised platform and i dont think thr admin can control the project being advertised here.  Every Hunter should take responsibility for that,  they should take out time to research the project they want to advertise and determine its credibility

The agreement between the bounty manager and they will get a payment in the form of bitcoin or ethereum, not tokens. so the possibility to filter is very small. we ourselves must be more observant in choosing

I don't think the moderator has time for that but I like your idea, we can do KYC on forum and get verified KYC badge, so the bounty manager doesn't need to ask us to do the KYC anymore.

But then who will pay the forum managers to verify those KYCs? And I realize that the forum really doesn't want to disseminate bounty because it makes bitcointalk more junk posts

Bitcointalk can not do this because it is akin to choosing an investment option for the individual as well and when things don't go as planned some people will then use the opportunity to attack Bitcointalk. So they will not buy this your idea bro. You have to read, learn, research and relearn

This is entirely the work of managers. Forum moderators should not keep track of the company's bounty. Except that the block threads with an already proven fraud. Everything else is the responsibility of the Manager of the bounty of the company.