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Title: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 08:20:32 AM Let me start this by adding a local rule, cryptohunter, smartpaymint, peloso,
Enough personal attacks and emotionally charged conversation. IMO you guys need members on DT-2 - Alex I believe you are the most aware of forums working and politics due to all the great work you have been doing with regards to account farms. It has to be said the general awareness of the trust system in the Russian section is poor. Alex_SR is now back on my trust-list as a gesture of goodwill to get this resolved, I do not want to exclude and alienate the whole Russian forum population, I just want this forum to be safe - Alex would you be willing to be the spokesman of the Russian section to get this resolved? Edit - Killyou72/73 and any other of his alts are not permitted to post in this thread either. Edit. DabLjat removed from excluded poster list in this thread. Edit Thule may not post either Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: FFrankie on January 20, 2019, 08:31:51 AM Let me start this by adding a local rule, cryptohunter, smartpaymint, peloso, DabLjat and anyone else who has left me negative trust may not post in this thread. This is a serious subject. Enough personal attacks and emotionally charged conversation. IMO you guys need members on DT-2 - Alex I believe you are the most aware of forums working and politics due to all the great work you have been doing with regards to account farms. It has to be said the general awareness of the trust system in the Russian section is poor. Alex_SR is now back on my trust-list as a gesture of goodwill to get this resolved, I do not want to exclude and alienate the whole Russian forum population, I just want this forum to be safe - Alex would you be willing to be the spokesman of the Russian section to get this resolved? If you are asking one person, why not use the private message (PM) function? I look forward to this coming treaty with Russia. Maybe you can make bitcointalk great again? I think this is a very nice thing for you to be saying tman Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 08:33:52 AM If you are asking one person, why not use the private message (PM) function? KY yet again proving to be the village idiot, please don't get involved - Local rule adapted after this post. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TalkStar on January 20, 2019, 08:34:53 AM I do not want to exclude and alienate the whole Russian forum population, I just want this forum to be safe - Alex would you be willing to be the spokesman of the Russian section to get this resolved? Thanks OP for letting russian forum members know that you are here to save them from any kind of scam activities. i know you don't care about what anyone post or think about you regarding taking steps to stop any kind of scam or abuses. You just care that forum members should be safe from those Evils. Welcome Alex to be a spokesman of Russian section :)Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Jet Cash on January 20, 2019, 08:49:20 AM @killyou - was it really necessary to quote the whole of the OP immediately after the post. I put you on ignore for doing it. To cover your point - maybe TMAN wants to get some community opinions about the situation.
I have been skipping over most of the posts, so I'm not really aware of the problem,but I would like to make a general point. Putin is trying to improve the image of Russia, and thus to build it into a respected participant in global trading. It is my opinion that he is managing to do this slowly. Russia is still being vilified by many in the Western world, and it is still seen as the enemy of last resort to justify the massive expenditure on armaments. There seems to be a number of Russians who are determined to undermine the reputation of Russian by their activities, and I hope they will start to realise the damage that they are doing to their country. As an example, I have a number of websites , and some of them include comment and review sections. The vast majority of the spammers and link dumpers purport to be Russian, and they use Russian email addresses or Russian domain links. The revenue from the activities must be pretty minimal, but the damage to the reputation of Russian is considerable. I'd like to be able to buy Russian food, as I believe that it is becoming some of the healthiest in the world, but I won't be able to do this in England, unless the Russian spammers allow Russia to regain the trust of the Western countries. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: The Cryptovator on January 20, 2019, 09:45:03 AM I have already mentioned here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099774.msg49323962#msg49323962) that problem was started from Alex_Sr. And its seems also solution is starting by Alex_Sr. Just noticed he is still exclude by LoyceV & Lauda, can you both reconsider of exclusion? I have seen he have changed his feedback style. After visited his feedback's I think he deserve it now. He made mistake previously and he has corrected it. I believe we can go forward to solve the issue about Russian war by adding back Alex_Sr.
Thanks to TMAN for add back and open door for solution. And welcome back Alex_Sr on DT network, hope you will not abuse your DT power. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: xtraelv on January 20, 2019, 09:57:22 AM This is a good start.
The Russian locale is quite upset with what they consider manipulation of the DT system. They believe what they did is consistent with what Theymos instructed: TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here. AFAICT, that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable. I'd prefer if people not treat trust lists as an election, but if I had wanted nobody to ever think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection, I would've kept the DT1 criteria secret. They quickly found a quote from me where I previously documented that usernames starting with tildes are handled: "If you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix their name with a backslash." тe ecли вы xoтитe выcкaзaть дoвepиe юзepy ~XXX в cвoй cпиcoк пpямoгo дoвepия зaпишитe \~XXX, ecли жe вы xoтитe выcкaзaть eмy нeдoвepиe зaпишитe ~\~XXX. So they knew right away that the ~DefaultTrust account was harmless.I see nothing concerning with xandry's actions there. Nothing there comes close to warranting deletion. Even if someone was openly talking about trying to form a strategic DT1 manipulation group for the express purpose of undermining the system, such a topic should not be deleted; rather, I'd look to handle this within the DT1 selection criteria. While I don't understand Russian that well and I am not that often on their pages I have been chatting with a couple of the people involved. I'd like to see this de-escalate. For the sake of everyone involved. I do think that some Russian members have been treated unfairly. For instance for being tagged for merely posting in a thread that according to Theymos is their right to do. https://i.imgur.com/BzeNvAU.png This member has assisted me with translations for quite some time both on the forum and off the forum. He has also assisted me in understanding some of the Russian thinking, detecting and tracing Russian scammers and deciphering complex Russian legal documents and news articles. I don't see anything that he personally has done that is with the intent to install a malicious group. I do see an intent from him to have decent Russian representation by people he knows and trusts so they can crack down on some of the Russian spammers and scammers. I think it is important for the "old guard" to accept in some of the new. For them to learn from the experienced scam busters but also allow their local contacts, cultural understanding and language knowledge assist in detecting and preventing scammers and spam. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 10:22:07 AM I’ve made a positive step forward to resolve this, we need people to come forwards with solutions on resolution and education on the trust system in the local board. Members using the trust system as a popularity contest are crazy.
Let’s see what happens next Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 20, 2019, 10:41:17 AM I’ve made a positive step forward to resolve this, we need people to come forwards with solutions on resolution and education on the trust system in the local board. Members using the trust system as a popularity contest are crazy. Cheers. Glad you're being civil.Let’s see what happens next Responsible trust list creation is the intention. Russian users have a right to be suspicious of the current DT system but if they're going to make their own trust lists, then they should tread very carefully... lest they inflate the ratings of people who would scam if given the opportunity. Local board representation is important but the users should still be frugal with their inclusions and positive ratings. A dichotomy in the value of trust will only confuse new users who haven't yet built their own lists. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: LoyceV on January 20, 2019, 11:15:38 AM I have already mentioned here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099774.msg49323962#msg49323962) that problem was started from Alex_Sr. And its seems also solution is starting by Alex_Sr. Just noticed he is still exclude by LoyceV & Lauda, can you both reconsider of exclusion? I have seen he have changed his feedback style. After visited his feedback's I think he deserve it now. He made mistake previously and he has corrected it. I believe we can go forward to solve the issue about Russian war by adding back Alex_Sr. I've responded in The war with Russia: can we end it? Do we want to? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099774.msg49328469#msg49328469), and don't want to cross-post here.Short summary: I'll reconsider the exclusion later, as I think it's still too early. For now he's on DT2 already, I hope I can reinforce his position in the future. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on January 20, 2019, 01:27:49 PM Is Killyou72/73 on DT2?
I remember him being an asshole to me a while back when I was just trying to get signature campaign payment for myself & everybody else in the 777Coin campaign when it was 12 weeks owed & late. I had to PM The Pharmacist to step in to paint people red to resolve it & get payment. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 20, 2019, 02:23:34 PM Hi guys! Let's talk about the problems and misunderstandings. And how we can get out of this.
The first thing I think should be done - to make a list of questions and claims on both sides. We will be able to discuss them constructively without unnecessary emotions. We will create a road map, follow it and eventually resolve all misunderstandings. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: The Cryptovator on January 20, 2019, 02:52:17 PM The first thing I think should be done - to make a list of questions and claims on both sides. We will be able to discuss them constructively without unnecessary emotions. Let's talk about solution instead of problem. And solution has begun by adding you imo. I have invited them (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099044.msg49332281#msg49332281) for come on this thread and solve the issue with constructive discussions. Just make slogans isn't going to change anything. Whatever discussed on Russian thread theymos already aware about it. So we don't need argument again. Just look how to solve the issue. This forum isn't dedicated for any nationality. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 20, 2019, 02:55:30 PM Hi guys! Let's talk about the problems and misunderstandings. And how we can get out of this. The first thing I think should be done - to make a list of questions and claims on both sides. We will be able to discuss them constructively without unnecessary emotions. A good start could be to get a solid group of Russian members to acknowledge and accept a few ground rules for how the trust system should be used, such as: xtraelv has a good thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391 AverageGlabella https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098422 Perhaps these can be cleaned up and translated to Russian. If there is anything that's going on the Russian board and not addressed in the above threads - that would be great to know as well. In addition to that, it's important to have reputable and responsible non-DT members post trust feedback where appropriate as well so that there would be some way to evaluate their judgement if e.g. they're considered for DT in the future. This would help to alleviate concerns that we saw immediately after the DT expansion how for example some new DT members posted a number of vague trust ratings without references etc. While there was probably no ill intent with most of those, it's hard to judge that without context. From the other side I would still insist that anyone merely commenting in a controversial thread and/or being in a shady person's trust list should not be excluded or red-trusted. I know there has been some progress there, I haven't caught up with all threads yet. Welcome back to DT2. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 03:01:48 PM Hi guys! Let's talk about the problems and misunderstandings. And how we can get out of this. The first thing I think should be done - to make a list of questions and claims on both sides. We will be able to discuss them constructively without unnecessary emotions. We will create a road map, follow it and eventually resolve all misunderstandings. Yo Alex, sorry you got caught up in this I didn't really want to exclude you - I think you do amazing work on the forum and I am sure you will be about for years so welcome back to DT. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 20, 2019, 03:12:48 PM In addition to that, it's important to have reputable and responsible non-DT members post trust feedback where appropriate as well so that there would be some way to evaluate their judgement if e.g. they're considered for DT in the future. Yes I wrote about this in Russian group: 4. Дaжe ecли вaши oтзывы пoкa нe являютcя тpacтoвыми - пишитe иx вce paвнo - этo вaш бaгaж нa бyдyщee и этo вaши oтзывы и вaш yникaльный oпыт! 4. Even if your feedback untrusted - write them anyway - it's your luggage for the future and it's your feedback and your unique experience! 99.99% of users believe that if their feedback are untrusted, then there is no sense to write them. Need to explain them that this is not so! Yo Alex, sorry you got caught up in this I didn't really want to exclude you - I think you do amazing work on the forum and I am sure you will be about for years so welcome back to DT. Thank you! This would help to alleviate concerns that we saw immediately after the DT expansion how for example some new DT members posted a number of vague trust ratings without references etc. While there was probably no ill intent with most of those, it's hard to judge that without context. Yes, it was also a new experience for me and I try to share this experience in our section! Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: cryptohunter on January 20, 2019, 03:16:35 PM Let me start this by adding a local rule, cryptohunter, smartpaymint, peloso, DabLjat and anyone else who has left me negative trust may not post in this thread. This is a serious subject. Enough personal attacks and emotionally charged conversation. IMO you guys need members on DT-2 - Alex I believe you are the most aware of forums working and politics due to all the great work you have been doing with regards to account farms. It has to be said the general awareness of the trust system in the Russian section is poor. Alex_SR is now back on my trust-list as a gesture of goodwill to get this resolved, I do not want to exclude and alienate the whole Russian forum population, I just want this forum to be safe - Alex would you be willing to be the spokesman of the Russian section to get this resolved? Edit - Killyou72/73 and any other of his alts are not permitted to post in this thread either. 1. You do not get to silence free expression and relevant points being made on meta. That is why there are no self moderation threads here. 2. I have been told in the past when wishing for people not to post on my threads that is not my decision to make. It is my opinion and substantiated by observable fact that a person (TMAN) who will give red trust by his own admission to someone for presenting facts related to scams and scammers is trying to corrupt the entire purpose of DT. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 03:20:35 PM 1. You do not get to silence free expression and relevant points being made on meta. That is why there are no self moderation threads here. 2. I have been told in the past when wishing for people not to post on my threads that is not my decision to make. It is my opinion and substantiated by observable fact that a person (TMAN) who will give red trust by his own admission to someone for presenting facts related to scams and scammers is trying to corrupt the entire purpose of DT. Quoting for reference. PLEASE STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREADS Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 20, 2019, 03:26:25 PM You're allowed to set local rules like this, TMAN, so I'd report his post if I were you. I can't tell you how many times I've started a bitcoin buying or selling thread where I specifically state that I don't want to deal with anyone under Full Member or for them to even post in the thread--and then a bunch of members under that rank proceed to ignore my local rule and make ridiculous offers. Thankfully mods deleted most of those after I reported them.
I can't even remember what the genesis of all this drama was with the Russian local board, but I'm happy to see a discussion about it. IMO it's not the whole section that's a problem, it's just a few idiots who are louder and prouder than everyone else. That's usually the case with any of these issues. Good luck with the diplomacy, bro. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 20, 2019, 03:26:41 PM A good start could be to get a solid group of Russian members to acknowledge and accept a few ground rules for how the trust system should be used, such as: xtraelv has a good thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391 This topic is already translated yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099644.0 Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 03:28:17 PM You're allowed to set local rules like this, TMAN, so I'd report his post if I were you. why do you think I did it bro! reported and requested a ban as the fool doesn't know the rules. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: The Cryptovator on January 20, 2019, 03:33:12 PM I noticed from Russian thread they are trolling to Alex_Sr after he invite for constructive discussions, if not wrong Google translate. They believe their negative feedback's is wrong. So it's not going to solve unless remove feedback's. Since I am new, I will suggest to reconsider something.
1. Remove feedback's those are left for manipulation, leave it to theymos and he encourage to handle it. There option for manual black list, so it's not hard for theymos. 2. Give them chance on DT2 who really deserve it and actively tagging scammer from beginning. May be Alex_Sr could help about it. 3. Make a thread with list who have really tried to manipulate, so theymos will handle them manually. Tagging each other not going to help solve the issue. Manipulate trust system subject to block them from DT selection, not subject to tag them and start a war. so I'd report his post if I were you. Theymos not encourage to report or delete this kind of post. He like to know who are going to manipulate so that he can take proper action. So it would be better to make thread on meta who want to manipulate instead of tag or report.Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 03:43:35 PM I will bring a debate about it if people can set local rules in meta. NOT IN MY THREADS WHEN A LOCAL RULE IS SET please stop posting in here - you are providing nothing but troll. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 20, 2019, 03:48:18 PM I noticed from Russian thread they are trolling to Alex_Sr after he invite for constructive discussions, if not wrong Google translate. They believe their negative feedback's is wrong. So it's not going to solve unless remove feedback's. Since I am new, I will suggest to reconsider something. Thanks for help! No one's trolling me yet. There is a dialogue of 2 people. This dialogue does not concern my proposals. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 20, 2019, 03:55:51 PM A good start could be to get a solid group of Russian members to acknowledge and accept a few ground rules for how the trust system should be used, such as: xtraelv has a good thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391 This topic is already translated yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099644.0 Great, thank you, and thanks to madnessteat. If there are any important comments in that thread please encourage users to also comment on the English version or translate and repost here. There might be some constructive suggestions that we don't want to miss. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 20, 2019, 04:03:50 PM Great, thank you, and thanks to madnessteat. If there are any important comments in that thread please encourage users to also comment on the English version or translate and repost here. There might be some constructive suggestions that we don't want to miss. Yeah, okay! I asked him to add a translation of this topic: AverageGlabella https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098422 Road map: Stage 1 1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually) 2. To remove all unwarranted positive feedbacks left by Russian users. 3. Close topics Massive abuse in the Russian section and TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future as not conducive to constructive dialogue and provoking the escalation of the conflict. 4. Further discussion of all controversial questions in this topic. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 04:40:41 PM 1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually) Pelso, TheFuzzStone and DabLjat have not acted in a trustworthy manner. I do not feel that removing the negs against these members is of a net benefit to the forum, agree with the rest. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: DabLjat on January 20, 2019, 05:51:59 PM Road map: 1. Remove all negative feedback left by each party in relation to the other party (to consider individually each counter feedback from each user - those who remove feedback - remove mutually) 2. To remove all unwarranted positive feedbacks left by Russian users. 3. Close topics Massive abuse in the Russian section and TMAN abuses DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future as not conducive to constructive dialogue and provoking the escalation of the conflict. 4. Further discussion of all controversial questions in this topic. I have fulfilled my part of the road map. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 06:00:28 PM However, since you yourself have admitted red trusting for presenting facts pertaining to scams liars or scammers ..then how can your opinion be taken seriously in terms of discussion of a trust based system? Evidence can be supplied. I have repeatedly asked you to stop this harassment in my threads, you have been advised by saltyspoon that you are breaking the rules. Reporting you again Stop it with your off topic shit Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: OgNasty on January 20, 2019, 06:17:22 PM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 06:40:26 PM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: mikeywith on January 20, 2019, 07:15:31 PM Pelso, TheFuzzStone and DabLjat have not acted in a trustworthy manner. I do not feel that removing the negs against these members is of a net benefit to the forum, agree with the rest. I think we should give them another chance, provided these members agree to not attempt any mass manipulation of the system , by adding known scammers to their lists for example. however any tag that is related to scam and has nothing to do with the recent DT incident should not be removed. again we can tag and exclude those members should they do anything untrustworthy. but i hope TMAN would continue his path to peace with the Russians by removing every recent rating related to the trust system, and so do the Russians. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 07:35:54 PM I have removed all negatives sent to these guys - although I have re tagged peloso for his crazy behavior - I believe people need to be aware of his untrustworthy actions and behavior (he is not Russian so I feel this should not affect the Russian community)
My change of stance has come after talking with other DT members and Alex_SR. This should prove that I am moving towards a sensible resolution to these issues, the forum as a whole is not benefiting from infighting and tit for tat actions. when i show you your fails it crazy behavior? ;D ok it nice but i not scammer like your boss) Please stop breaking forum rules by posting in threads that prohibit you doing so through local rules, this shows how uneducated you are in regards to this place. PLEASE STOP POSTING HERE Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: DabLjat on January 20, 2019, 07:44:18 PM I have removed all negatives sent to these guys - although I have re tagged peloso for his crazy behavior - I believe people need to be aware of his untrustworthy actions and behavior (he is not Russian so I feel this should not affect the Russian community) My change of stance has come after talking with other DT members and Alex_SR. This should prove that I am moving towards a sensible resolution to these issues, the forum as a whole is not benefiting from infighting and tit for tat actions. My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 07:45:45 PM My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse Apologies, I thought I had removed your as well - gone now. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: DabLjat on January 20, 2019, 07:47:17 PM My feedback is still in place: Russian DT abuse Apologies, I thought I had removed your as well - gone now. Checked! It's okay! Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 20, 2019, 07:52:48 PM plese stop your buthurt and explain folks why you retagged me the reason im not from Russia The only butthurt is you - PLEASE LEAVE THE THREAD. Forum rule #26 is being broken by you consistently - harassing me will only make this worse. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: o_e_l_e_o on January 20, 2019, 08:51:13 PM -snip- This is great, and props to you, DabLjat, TMAN and others for all agreeing to start a fresh. I've also noticed that DabLjat has removed all the unreferenced positive feedback he had left to other members of his community, so thank you for that too.I'm trying to follow your Russian thread, but as I don't speak Russian I'm sure I'm losing some of it in translation. It seems that the next step on the plan is to identify some outstanding Russian members who would be good additions to the DT network? It's probably worth pointing out that peloso is trolling their thread just as much as he is trolling here; ignore him. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: OgNasty on January 20, 2019, 10:36:20 PM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 20, 2019, 10:54:42 PM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker. Off topic I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015. Respect you both. I was there in the slack group when your feud first started. It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses. Sort your dispute in private. It would be better for you both and better for the forum. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 21, 2019, 04:54:13 AM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker. Off topic I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015. Respect you both. I was there in the slack group when your feud first started. It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses. Sort your dispute in private. It would be better for you both and better for the forum. I support this, looking forward to the PM from OG Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 21, 2019, 09:48:06 AM Hi, Lauda You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs. can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/ Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Quickseller on January 22, 2019, 06:55:26 AM Hi, Lauda You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 22, 2019, 06:30:45 PM xenon131, you're wrong here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49364592#msg49364592
Votes are given only to users who are included directly and explicitly in your trust list. If you have DefaultTrust in your list that doesn't mean DT1 members get your votes. And the rule that "who needs it most gets it" also doesn't mean that some random user will get your vote. It means "who needs it most within your trust list". This rule is needed only when you have more included users in your trust list than you have available votes. This post by G.I.Caesar is correct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49365399#msg49365399 DefaultTrust is basically a dummy user account that is automatically assigned to each user's trust list (unless they set up a custom list of course) and it automatically includes the elected DT1 members in its trust list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=122551 Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: madnessteat on January 22, 2019, 07:00:07 PM ~snip~ @suchmoon please tell me how are the negotiations going? Today I saw that xenon131 still red trust. I consist in lists DT0 from Lauda, TMAN, marlboroza. I have them in my list DT0 not added! Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 22, 2019, 07:30:17 PM ~snip~ @suchmoon please tell me how are the negotiations going? Today I saw that xenon131 still red trust I consist in lists DT0 from Lauda, TMAN, marlboroza. I have them in my list DT0 not added! I can't speak for Lauda and I'm not really certain who's tracking the progress of negotiations. Perhaps TMAN and Alex_Sr could give us an update. In my personal opinion, you are free to include/exclude anyone you see fit in your trust list regardless of how the negotiation goes. Of course for the trust system to work as intended (and this has nothing to do with DefaultTrust/DT) you should only add people whose judgement you trust, and not based on them being nice, sharing the same language, etc. Keep in mind that even if you don't use DefaultTrust yourself you're still voting for DT1 members. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: madnessteat on January 22, 2019, 08:08:31 PM ~snip~ Thank you for the information. I will wait for a peaceful settlement. I used DefaultTrust list to be able to view the default users trust when translating a useful topic for the Russian-speaking community [Инcтpyкция] Пoдcчeт oчкoв дoвepия (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100490.msg49356061#msg49356061) In my list DT0 consist users, which I belive only useful forum, this my opinion. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: OgNasty on January 22, 2019, 08:13:47 PM Reminding you of the local rule that you have been advised of by myself and an ex global mod. Continuing with this harassment of users who do not want to hear from you is stupid and unnecessary This is hilarious coming from you. The troll becomes the trolled. Thanks for that OG, I’m not running a failing business I am trying to help the forum, do I need to start adding you to local rules as well? Either be productive or stay out of my threads You are the cancer of this forum. If you want to help, just leave. You’ve never contributed anything here ever, you window licker. Off topic I have traded with both of you for many years, og since 2013 tman since 2015. Respect you both. I was there in the slack group when your feud first started. It was silly then and now it is destructive. At this point you are both behaving like jack asses. Sort your dispute in private. It would be better for you both and better for the forum. TMAN adds no value to this forum. He has never contributed anything. It would be a better place without him. The only contribution he claims is his trust network, which even theymos has distrusted him... Stop defending trolls just because you've exchanged trust with them. TMAN attacked me and everyone that defended the community organization I donate to while you sat quiet and left him trust... Don't pretend that you're impartial. If you watched him spread lies and extort community organization supporters in slack and you still trust him, you are also the problem with this forum. This is why most successful people stop contributing here. Which I guess is the goal, to cast out all the old folks who watched these scammers get into positions of trust, and simply bury the past. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 22, 2019, 09:34:48 PM Wow. thnx, I didn't I know that, really. Will clarify this matter for Russian community now. Why didn't u do this by yourself in the Russian thread? U seems to be from Croatia and would quickly learn Russian. Thnx one more I'm not from Croatia (if you're wondering about the text under my avatar - that's marlboroza's translation of my username) but I do know a little bit of Russian, just enough to completely embarrass myself if I try to post anything in it. So please feel free to clarify this DefaultTrust thing to the users on the Russian board and if there are any other questions don't hesitate to ask. PMs are welcome as well. We didn't shy to speak English here , why you're avoiding to speak Russian? Your English is much better than my Russian, that's for sure ;) Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 24, 2019, 07:44:15 AM You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs. can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/ Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss! My trust list: theymos dooglus gmaxwell qwk Vod mprep Cyrus Welsh ibminer TMAN Lauda DefaultTrust suchmoon xandry MaoChao LoyceV actmyname WhiteManWhite The Pharmacist DarkStar_ kzv TheFuzzStone marlboroza Lafu xtraelv Goran_ o_e_l_e_o chimk coinlocket$ asche DdmrDdmr taikuri13 Coolcryptovator 1miau ICOEthics Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Quickseller on January 24, 2019, 08:52:56 AM You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs. can we start sorting you guys trust lists and work a way to take a further step forwards, maybe with some goodwill Lauda will come round/ Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss! My trust list: theymos dooglus gmaxwell qwk Vod mprep Cyrus Welsh ibminer TMAN Lauda DefaultTrust suchmoon xandry LoyceV actmyname WhiteManWhite The Pharmacist DarkStar_ kzv TheFuzzStone marlboroza Lafu xtraelv Goran_ o_e_l_e_o chimk coinlocket$ asche DdmrDdmr taikuri13 Coolcryptovator 1miau ICOEthics https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 24, 2019, 09:17:14 AM I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 24, 2019, 01:32:02 PM Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss! This is more of a technical note: If you're including both DefaultTrust and individual members, be very careful how you set the depth. If you set depth to 2 (default) then it works ok with DefaultTrust - you end up trusting DT1 and DT2 members - but it may give you undesired results with individual inclusion, because you will be trusting them, their inclusions, and inclusions of their inclusions. So for example if you included a DT1 member explicitly in your list, with depth 2 you'll be trusting up to DT3 level of that person's network, which may be more than you wanted. If you set depth to 1, it works better with your individual inclusions - you will trust them and their inclusions - whereas having DefaultTrust means you're trusting DT1 members, but not DT2 unless you include their DT1 "includers" individually. You may already know this, but I thought I'd repeat it just in case. Another thing to consider is that you could end up in DT1 so make sure that everyone in your list makes a good DT2 candidate as well. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Alex_Sr on January 27, 2019, 08:48:49 AM Another thing to consider is that you could end up in DT1 so make sure that everyone in your list makes a good DT2 candidate as well. Yes, thanks! When I was making my trust list, I was considering it! Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TECSHARE on January 27, 2019, 10:04:23 AM I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one. Is quantity an indicator of quality? Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Thule on January 27, 2019, 11:42:00 AM TMAN adds no value to this forum. He has never contributed anything. It would be a better place without him. The only contribution he claims is his trust network, which even theymos has distrusted him... Stop defending trolls just because you've exchanged trust with them. TMAN attacked me and everyone that defended the community organization I donate to while you sat quiet and left him trust... Don't pretend that you're impartial. If you watched him spread lies and extort community organization supporters in slack and you still trust him, you are also the problem with this forum. This is why most successful people stop contributing here. Which I guess is the goal, to cast out all the old folks who watched these scammers get into positions of trust, and simply bury the past.
Great Post Quote Ok! Let's move on to the discussion of our trust lists. I made a preliminary list. If you have questions about the composition of this list-let's discuss! My trust list: theymos dooglus gmaxwell qwk Vod mprep Cyrus Welsh ibminer TMAN Lauda DefaultTrust suchmoon xandry MaoChao LoyceV actmyname WhiteManWhite The Pharmacist DarkStar_ kzv TheFuzzStone marlboroza Lafu xtraelv Goran_ o_e_l_e_o chimk coinlocket$ asche DdmrDdmr taikuri13 Coolcryptovator 1miau ICOEthics Haha they forced you to add them into your trust list.LOL Sorry but are you sure you are a real russian ?You accept getting forced to put scammers into your DT list ?Really ? Its also funny how some DT pigs who called you diffrent names are now so nice to you once you accepted to put them into your trust list. pyccкиe никoгдa нe пpeдaдyт cвoиx тoвapищeй пpидepживaйтecь cвoeгo иcтиннoгo мнeния, пoльcкий и мнoгиe дpyгиe бyдyт пoддepживaть вac Bы coздaли peaльнyю yгpoзy для ниx. He тaк лeгкo иx кyпить If you are going to add these known scammers into your trust list i can guarantee you the russians are going away from you. They just created another pig doing what they demand to safe their status quo. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 27, 2019, 02:45:46 PM Martin you will get served.You can trust me on that.I just see you are a big mouth which is lying and manipulating.Its worthless to give you anything. I will start with the US and will ask my Canadian lawyer to find the adress of Martin Lawrence from Edmonton and send him a letter with the question if he is Vod from bitcointalk.org. I will let the community know the answer........ if you/he even will answer it. You've already made blanket statements before. Continue, please. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: marlboroza on January 27, 2019, 06:32:00 PM Haha they forced you to add them into your trust list. You seems trying to cause fight between forum members so badly it is disgusting. You accept getting forced to put scammers into your DT list ? Its also funny how some DT pigs who called you diffrent names are now so nice to you once you accepted to put them into your trust list. If you are going to add these known scammers into your trust list i can guarantee you the russians are going away from you. They just created another pig doing what they demand to safe their status quo. I thought I ate something bad and got diarrhea, but I finally know the reason. Your posts are making me go to toilet every time I read them. So tell me, what is your problem with me? Have I tagged "wrong" alt account or something? Now explain why am I and other highlighted users known scammers. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 27, 2019, 06:54:43 PM So tell me, what is your problem with me? Have I tagged "wrong" alt account or something? I think you can call bingo on that one. It would be one hell of a coincidence if we had trolls like Thule, cryptohunter, aplesaples, itomarketing, Chosen Username....and probably one or two others that I'm not thinking of, all at the same time, all writing pretty much the same stuff over and over again. I'm not confident all of them are one person, but I strongly suspect that there are only about two individuals max behind all of those accounts.Continue, please. What with the language barriers and all, there's a good chance he might take this statement literally. I'd like to suggest that he NOT continue--not to stifle dissent but as a sanity-saver for those of us who've read the same tired arguments again and again and are tired of it.Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2019, 08:10:01 PM Updated local rule. Thule may not post in this thread any longer
Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: OgNasty on January 27, 2019, 08:15:02 PM I thought I ate something bad and got diarrhea, but I finally know the reason. Your posts are making me go to toilet every time I read them. Faster than a trip to Taco Bell. :D & LOL at TMAN trying to keep people from posting criticisms in his threads with rules he himself ignores. Trolls trolling hypocrite trolls. Hilarious. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Rooivalk on January 27, 2019, 08:24:50 PM Haha they forced you to add them into your trust list. You seems trying to cause fight between forum members so badly it is disgusting. You accept getting forced to put scammers into your DT list ? Its also funny how some DT pigs who called you diffrent names are now so nice to you once you accepted to put them into your trust list. If you are going to add these known scammers into your trust list i can guarantee you the russians are going away from you. They just created another pig doing what they demand to safe their status quo. I thought somI ate ething bad and got diarrhea, but I finally know the reason. Your posts are making me go to toilet every time I read them. So tell me, what is your problem with me? Have I tagged "wrong" alt account or something? Now explain why am I and other highlighted users known scammers. I've removed all negative trust from my list. So why am I still on these lists with some of you? lauda\tman & so on Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 27, 2019, 09:01:40 PM why am I Consider it God's way of reminding you just how much of an asshole you are. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Rooivalk on January 27, 2019, 09:03:44 PM why am I Consider it God's way of reminding you just how much of an asshole you are. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 27, 2019, 09:21:02 PM I thought I ate something bad and got diarrhea, but I finally know the reason. Your posts are making me go to toilet every time I read them. Faster than a trip to Taco Bell. :D & LOL at TMAN trying to keep people from posting criticisms in his threads with rules he himself ignores. Trolls trolling hypocrite trolls. Hilarious. my constructive posts honestly deleting but his trolling and his friends shitposting never but it so funny Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: marlboroza on January 27, 2019, 11:15:55 PM I thought somI ate ething bad and got diarrhea maybe God just wants to remind a gay man what he really created your ass for. ;DI've removed all negative trust from my list. So why am I still on these lists with some of you? lauda\tman & so on On serious note, I removed some ~ and as far as I know I removed you as well. It happened long time before this post. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Quickseller on January 28, 2019, 01:09:38 AM I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one. If you are referring to feedbacks they sent, they have sent many controversial feedbacks, including in relation to their extortion attempt, and Lauda sent many feedbacks to those who were critical of her in the thread in which she likely stole funds she was supposed to be protecting. If I didn't know any better, I would say it looks a lot like you are trying to avoid alienating a group who currently is in power in order for you yourself to obtain power. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 28, 2019, 03:13:52 AM I would encourage you to review the below two threads and potentially reconsider your trust list, including potentially excluding people: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0 - extortion attempt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4895354.0 - likely theft of funds TMAN and Lauda have thousands of unique feedbacks. The question of trust is a personal one. most of them without reference and proofs ( send\received) may be even they use for it ton of alts and most of reference links is fake Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 28, 2019, 04:51:20 AM most of them without reference and proofs ( send\received) may be even they use for it ton of alts I hope you have some proof of your claims.and most of reference links is fake Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Lauda on January 28, 2019, 06:30:24 AM most of them without reference and proofs ( send\received) may be even they use for it ton of alts I hope you have some proof of your claims.and most of reference links is fake Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 28, 2019, 07:56:55 AM most of them without reference and proofs ( send\received) may be even they use for it ton of alts I hope you have some proof of your claims.and most of reference links is fake yes i have, first go to their trust open your eyes and if not enough i can show screenshots Of course he does not; the leftists have made it acceptable to consistently lie about others around here. After I've read this claim, I've gone through all my ratings and found that about ~1-2% of ratings had no references. Most of those were trivial errors (e.g. sometimes a reference was not added due to mass tagging). This has now been corrected. Thanks you can say here some stories about trivial errors :) but its only for your pets i hope TMAN also fixed it ms liar Lauda but this fact i true even my rating) you made wrong proof) TMAN already fixed it but you still not fixed) all members in forum knows you as a mass trust system abuser Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 28, 2019, 08:01:37 AM yes i have, first go to their trust open your eyes and if not enough i can show screenshots Given that I had gone through dozens of their ratings and that I didn't find any false references, the chances seem quite small for you to conclude that >50% of the ratings are fake or without reference.If you can show me even 10 ratings with fake references, I might take your proposition more seriously. look here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096402.msg49419974#msg49419974) I asked for fake references but regardless, your small total doesn't exactly seem like "most" of their ratings.In fact, for your claim to be true, there should be over 1000 unsubstantiated ratings. Some of the trades that TMAN does are off-forum. What reference do you have for that? i not have time to collect for you each ref Perhaps we should have our dialogue of pragmatic belief again, then.A claim should be substantiated to a degree where one can reject the null hypothesis lest it be disregarded. If you're going to cherry-pick references that are in an error margin and extrapolate the data then that's just a byproduct of your poor sampling. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Lauda on January 28, 2019, 08:28:38 AM yes i have, first go to their trust open your eyes and if not enough i can show screenshots Given that I had gone through dozens of their ratings and that I didn't find any false references, the chances seem quite small for you to conclude that >50% of the ratings are fake or without reference.If you can show me even 10 ratings with fake references, I might take your proposition more seriously. -snip- For many on-forum trades one is not able to leave a reference link, unless you want to reveal the bitcoin addresses of both parties.Some of the trades that TMAN does are off-forum. What reference do you have for that? Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Jet Cash on January 28, 2019, 08:49:51 AM I'm lost - is this thread about TMAN, The Russians, Lauda, or is another attempt at regime change?
Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 28, 2019, 09:06:39 AM I'm lost - is this thread about TMAN, The Russians, Lauda, or is another attempt at regime change? Dunno but I wish the mods would do something about the fool breaking the local rule. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Jet Cash on January 28, 2019, 09:31:55 AM They could make you a mod, TMAN, that could be fun. :)
Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TMAN on January 28, 2019, 10:04:06 AM They could make you a mod, TMAN, that could be fun. :) Can’t do that as well as DT and handing out merits bud. It is annoying that mods are letting users post away with no ban when breaking local rules Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TECSHARE on January 28, 2019, 12:56:49 PM I'm lost - is this thread about TMAN, The Russians, Lauda, or is another attempt at regime change? Dunno but I wish the mods would do something about the fool breaking the local rule. Local rules are only enforceable if made on the original post, not added as an edit later. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Thule on January 28, 2019, 01:43:48 PM @peloso
Did you really belived these scammers ? They will always find an excuse to keep holding you down. They only demand full evidence for themself but don't care other evidences of other people who have been falsly tagged. I mean come on even theymos got them on his distrust list. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TalkStar on January 28, 2019, 02:20:40 PM @peloso Putting blame on someone without enough evidence isn't fair man. You should take some rest to think positively. Its really looking so dirty when you calling all our DT members scammer together. How could you do that? Did you really belived these scammers ? They will always find an excuse to keep holding you down. They only demand full evidence for themself but don't care other evidences of other people who have been falsly tagged. I mean come on even theymos got them on his distrust list. You should keep it on mind that its a forum not a funny social chat group where values of a user depends on peoples acceptation and decent activities. Now i can imagine easily why your account looking too much red. Honestly 64 red trust you got already and many more will coming soon if you continue like this. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: OgNasty on January 28, 2019, 02:44:14 PM It is annoying that mods are letting users post away with no ban when breaking local rules https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/sxFc3.jpeg Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Thule on January 28, 2019, 03:06:28 PM Quote Putting blame on someone without enough evidence isn't fair man. You should take some rest to think positively. Its really looking so dirty when you calling all our DT members scammer together. How could you do that? You should keep it on mind that its a forumnot a funny social chat group where values of a user depends on peoples acceptation and decent activities. Now i can imagine easily why your account looking too much red. Honestly 64 red trust you got already and many more will coming soon if you continue like this. Why you claim its all DT members ?Its just a small group Lauda the pharmacist vod actmyname suchmoon tman owlcatz I mean even theymos has most of them in his distrust list. Lauda ,TMAN and owlcatz have been proofen of extortion and many other scams phamacist posting racial postings for signature income and so on. Their abuse list is big and still its me being marked as scammer and them as DT members. What i blame other DT members is for having double standards which has been proofen by the last case where the lendor sold an account and haven't been tagged.The only one who tagged him was Lauda which makes it even worse. I mean i can understand that DT members didn't want to tagg a good guy but at the other side they tagged this way hundreds of accounts myself included for trying to buy an account to be able to post an image in service thread.Noone cared that i was buying it for a legit purpose and that forum rules clearly stated at that time that buying is allowed.More over when asked to remove that negativ tagg i got flooded as scammer with negativ tags by these trust abuse assholes even they had no evidence till today i scammed a single person. And at the same time these assholes deny tagging a buddy for selling accounts which is legandary and which should know the forum guideline very well. They demand from noobs to know it so i guess a legandary has at least the same obligation like a noob. Thats the so called double standards of DT members which majority of the community is sick. And if you wanna defend DT members maybe start first demanding that they act on everyone the same way and not for their buddies in favour. Suchmoon admitted on ICOMarketing that she has no evidence he is me.She can't have evidence since he is clearly not me. And at the same time she admitted that she doesn't need evidence for newbie members but only for older reputable members. I mean if you support this maybe you should move to an authorian country .Asche mad fun about russia and putin but hey these DT members are no diffrent.They destroy your account in seconds claiming they don't need proof just because its a new account or they just make up some reasons since there are no rules for tagging. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 28, 2019, 03:13:58 PM Lauda Most = 1? (that being TMAN and only TMAN)the pharmacist vod actmyname suchmoon tman owlcatz I mean even theymos has most of them in his distrust list. I'm glad to see that you have a firm grasp on language. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 28, 2019, 03:30:15 PM Suchmoon admitted on ICOMarketing that she has no evidence he is me.She can't have evidence since he is clearly not me. And at the same time she admitted that she doesn't need evidence for newbie members but only for older reputable members. Nice twist, but the reality is that there was evidence, which you obviously didn't like, and when you were given a chance to prove me wrong you abandoned your sockpuppet account and revived your Thule account. You're truly embarrassingly dumb if you think your little puppet show and other trollfuckery is somehow helping you. Most = 1? (that being TMAN and only TMAN) What unspeakable acts did you commit for theymos to get out of the naughty corner? :o Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Thule on January 28, 2019, 04:02:25 PM Quote Nice twist, but the reality is that there was evidence If there was evidence you surely have no problem showing it to me.My question would be only based on your earlier posted evidence how does it come you recognize this as evidence and at the same time decline this kind of evidence if somebody else is using it against DT members? Double standards? And i checked your evidence which is the biggest joke. If timing is an evidence i can show you hundreds or thousands of accounts which stopped posting at the day i started. Why did icomarketing stop ? I don't know maybe its not worth his time talking to these kind of assholes Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: suchmoon on January 28, 2019, 04:17:17 PM Quote Nice twist, but the reality is that there was evidence If there was evidence you surely have no problem showing it to me.I did, many times, you don't like it and I don't expect you to. Stop derailing multiple threads - there is a dedicated thread for this issue. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 29, 2019, 11:17:42 AM hey actmyname? you ask a proofs? You can declare that you suspect I'm involved in a scam. But once you declare that I am involved in a scam then you must provide proof.actmyname I officially declare that I suspect you in scam prove it is not so The former is subjective and the latter requires concrete evidence to disprove the null hypothesis. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 29, 2019, 07:39:57 PM But once you declare that I am involved in a scam then you must provide proof. The former is subjective and the latter requires concrete evidence to disprove the null hypothesis. im NOT must! you have to prove you're not guilty so stop your discussion with me until you prove Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 29, 2019, 07:42:59 PM im NOT must! you have to prove you're not guilty You're claiming that I am involved in a scam?so stop your discussion with me until you prove Your claim requires evidence and without sufficient evidence, we can simply reject the claim. If every claim is accepted without any substance, then we wouldn't be living life pragmatically. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 29, 2019, 07:52:56 PM You're claiming that I am involved in a scam? Your claim requires evidence and without sufficient evidence, we can simply reject the claim. If every claim is accepted without any substance, then we wouldn't be living life pragmatically. do not turn my words, I just said that I suspect you but this is enough to admit you as a scammer because you did not prove the opposite, the conversation with you is over if there is evidence come if not so stop ficking my mind i know you wanna manipulation 8) Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 29, 2019, 08:02:14 PM do not turn my words, I just said that I suspect you but this is enough to admit you as a scammer because you did not prove the opposite, the conversation with you is over if there is evidence come if not so stop ficking my mind I see! Your system of beliefs is determined solely by the sequence of propositions, where any propositions that preface those of which it conflicts will nullify the truthfulness of the subsequent ones thereof.i know you wanna manipulation 8) I shall then prove that I am not a scammer by creating two new propositions which yet again do not require evidence for validity. P1) actmyname is not a scammer. P2) those that deem actmyname a scammer are wrong. And henceforth, these premises are of the utmost truth. We're only following your belief system, after all. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: xtraelv on January 30, 2019, 12:39:12 AM IMO, in the retrospect of preceding topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49277014#msg49277014) it would be more equitable to title this one as "TMAN vs Russians...", still waiting for public apology on that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098584.msg49277014#msg49277014). Perhaps that can be part of the "peace" roadmap. I'd like to see some community agreement beyond just agreement with "the Russians". I think discussion and agreement on acceptable conduct (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391.0) can avoid a lot of disagreements in the future. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: H8bussesNbicycles on January 30, 2019, 05:49:06 AM Russians ahve good reason to copy and paste this to thier trust list
~Lauda ~TMAN ~owlcatz and so does everyone else on this forum if you want to overthrow lauda and tman add thiis to your trust list Code: HostFat if you want lauda and tman gone add this list to every one of your accounts trust lists positive or negative just add it and lauda and tman will be gone easily https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0 please translate to russian Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 30, 2019, 08:39:35 AM That is a massive fucking trust list. Did you do that yourself? ::)
You probably don't trade on the forum so it's nothing of concern for you. After all, who cares if scammers have positive trust when there's no chance of you losing your money? Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: peloso on January 30, 2019, 08:58:42 AM Russians ahve good reason to copy and paste this to thier trust list ~Lauda ~TMAN ~owlcatz please translate to russian you forget add me to your list ::) but i agree with you After all, who cares if scammers have positive trust when there's no chance of you losing your money? Lauda has ton of fake positive ratings but its does not interfere to be scammer. Oh i know you will ask proofs) so i will say you go and read proofs from OgNasy :) i belive him Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: xtraelv on January 30, 2019, 09:06:01 AM Russians ahve good reason to copy and paste this to thier trust list The Russians have a much better reason to try to work on a resolution. 1) Working on a resolution has the support of many of the current DTs 2) Working together rather than as warring fractions will be much better for the fight against scammers. 3) The Russians have worked extremely hard already on showing goodwill and good intent in resolving the issues through negotiation and discussion. Lets get rid of the politics and work together to eliminate scams. Guide to forum scandals (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4736673.0) and feuds to avoid. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: H8bussesNbicycles on January 30, 2019, 09:46:48 AM Russians ahve good reason to copy and paste this to thier trust list ~Lauda ~TMAN ~owlcatz please translate to russian you forget add me to your list ::) but i agree with you After all, who cares if scammers have positive trust when there's no chance of you losing your money? Lauda has ton of fake positive ratings but its does not interfere to be scammer. Oh i know you will ask proofs) so i will say you go and read proofs from OgNasy :) i belive him Add the list to your trust list and post in my thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0 then I will add you to the big list as soon as i see the big list in your trust list!! That is a massive fucking trust list. Did you do that yourself? ::) fuck yeah i did what do you think i need a team? You probably don't trade on the forum so it's nothing of concern for you. After all, who cares if scammers have positive trust when there's no chance of you losing your money? yes i do anyone who trades here should be smart enough to check themselves and not blindly trust """"DT""""" use ;dt to peek removing lauda will not give all scammers positive trust like magic it will remove lauda add my constantly updated list here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103988.0 Working together rather than as warring fractions will be much better for the fight against scammers. removing lauda right now is more important than removing lowlife scammers all of the other dt will be removing the same lowlife scammers we do not need lauda to remove scammers Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on January 30, 2019, 12:17:42 PM anyone who trades here should be smart enough to check themselves and not blindly trust """"DT""""" Mostly everybody in DT has conducted in $10K+ trades, including Lauda. Completely disregarding the entire DT list because you are obviously obsessed by Lauda makes no sense. I would trust most of the DT members with my private keys. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: Thule on January 30, 2019, 12:42:02 PM anyone who trades here should be smart enough to check themselves and not blindly trust """"DT""""" Mostly everybody in DT has conducted in $10K+ trades, including Lauda. Completely disregarding the entire DT list because you are obviously obsessed by Lauda makes no sense. I would trust most of the DT members with my private keys. Its the DT's decission if they support Lauda to receive support back of their cult gang or if they support the request of the community to remove lauda. Since they choosed the first we are going to exclude them since they are not representing our opinion. Easy as that.These DT members doesn't represent our opinions.If they are trustworthy or not is irrelevant.I can show you tons of trustworthy members on this forum who are against Lauda.I pick these member who represent my opinion. Also its always funny reading the bs like if Lauda goes out of DT scammers will win. My question to the rest of DT members is so why the fuck do we need so many DT members if everything is based on Lauda ? We even got baby noob members in the DT list who registered just a few months back.How do they got it ?Licking Laudas ass.And you want me to support these DT members who have been here just for a few months ? Hah biggest joke ever.Haven't seen you distrusting him or asking about any proof what he ever did for that forum in such a short time. @Added your trustlist like 2 more legendaries. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: actmyname on January 30, 2019, 01:36:46 PM We even got baby noob members in the DT list who registered just a few months back.How do they got it ?Licking Laudas ass.And you want me to support these DT members who have been here just for a few months ? Considering that you're part of the anti-Lauda squadron going on in Reputation, I would hope that you know how the trust system works.That the system in its current state picks DT1 members based on merit rather than proximity to Lauda. Title: Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. Post by: jademaxxiss012 on January 30, 2019, 01:39:58 PM After this post by OP with the problem in Russian local will probably made Russian people to join in and talk about a resolution. I do not really know what happen to the Russian Local board but it seems like TMAN is working on it to resolve the problem. Hope you guys could make a resolution and solve it. Just hoping also to do the same thing with other Local Boards afterwards with the reported scam threads. Report button does not really help for now because we know that there could be so many reports that moderator will going to consider and most of it probably will not be attended.
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