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marlboroza is trying to hide things on his thread which is self-moderated.
Im creating new thread because everything should be transparent and no posts should be deleted.
There won't be censorship here.




Yes that's suggesting paying the extortionists so he can have at least less loss in his back.
In the end, we are trying to make his loss less.
Based on the facts they're asking money from him, there will be loss but at least it should be less.
And yes, what other option he have than going by their rules but making that secure by using escrow?
Do you actually see something bad for someone losing 38btc to accept paying something in exchange to return big loss?
Because if i was the victim, i will agree on everything security based like an escrow service for the bribe.
Yes i wanted 0.1btc for helping him get his account back.
I was going to think ways and also suggest him the escrow usage of the bribe and not only to cover his payment.
He would never know for 100% i would be the one responsible for him getting it back, but at least i would stay with him and giving him safety advice how the things should be done.
Yes i am trying to make profit by trying to help someone, that's true.
But at least i am trying to help the user and not just read his drama.
Yes i do not fully understand his huge sadness about it, but at least i am willing to help him with  what i can to make the things better than they are.
Services were always paid, and if someone want to make them for free, i don't blame them, but i am not sure why people blaming me for asking money for help.
Especially when i never requested any payment upfront.
Also, in the end we all know, even if i help him out, and i show him that i was the one who help him, he is the only one who can pay me out the 0.1 for my help.
I mean he's not forced and he can always not pay me a single cent for what i am doing and spending my time.

Adding also the other messages which were censored from marlbroza and deleted.

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Lol.  It doesn't make a shit of difference if you asked him to pay upfront or not.  You saw a person in a real bind and looked to make some money for yourself.

Who's "we", by the way?

Why you have to look it by that way? Why don't you look it from side where someone trying to help another person.
Why should i spend my time for free ? And consider i am asking for money AFTER service i don't see anything wrong.
Also why would person who is losing 38BTC would refuse help with payment AFTER?
We are allowed to make money off anything we wish here without breaking the rules right? Or i am wrong? If there is some non written rule, please redirect me.
I find it odd that you find it strange me asking for money for my time.
If i wanted to help people for free, i would go with UNICEF.
Same as you, i do have more important things to do, which i can put in second place if i get paid for my time.
Your logic is just the same like "A lawyer saw a person in real bind and looked to make some money for his self for helping him"
Yes i am not a lawyer but same as the lawyer i do spend my time trying to solve his problem by the best way for him.
By your logic, lawyers should not exists because they take advantage of people in trouble to help them in exchange of money...
And actually the lawyers asking money upfront to start a case, i did ask money after the case is closed with happy end.

Your posts are likely being deleted because you're multi-posting. It's annoying. Stop doing that.

On topic: you're making zero sense with your advice to pay the "bribe" and it's very obvious why marlboroza and The Pharmacist decided to neg-trust you.


Lawyer malpractice is a thing. That's roughly what happened here.

tl;dr You are not a lawyer, and any lawyer worth his/her salt would not suggest what you did.  You can try to put whatever spin you want on this, but the fact is that I seriously, with no reservation whatsoever, do not trust your judgement and have tagged you accordingly. 

Rambotnic has shown his greed, his eagerness to take advantage of a victim, and his total lack of judgement by advising this victim to pay the ransom on his account--even if it isn't the full amount.  That's a small point and not an argument in his favor.  In addition, he kept repeating that this is the way it goes with all/many casinos, which I find highly doubtful.  If there's proof of that, I'd like to see it.

Im making no sense to tell him to accept paying the bribe? Why you think so?
That will expose their future and previous intentions of the whole situation.
Accepting to pay them is not like paying them.
Playing by their own rules but with brain can expose them so easy.

Multi posting in row.
Repeating walls of texts, nothing significant added.
Repeating what is in screenshots several times.
"Use escrow" added after tagged.

Besides, I didn't censure anything, as I can see your posts are there.

What am I hiding exactly?

Then every single lawyer should be a greed bastard who trying to earn from people problems.
My judgement is actually the best one, it cannot harm the person but it can only expose the scammers.
That's not arguments but facts.
Yes, many virtual casinos which scam their players milk/try to scam more their big players, which is not secret.
Im talking about the scamming casinos of course, and by that report we all can think that casino is also scam based on this claim and the previous claim for more than 300 bitcoins on hold.

The huge walls of texts is explain how my strategy works.
You cannot deny that accepting paying "bribe" will expose their intentions.
You cannot deny that saying something is not like doing it.

I wanted to start from far to understand what is going on  fully and how this should be proceed.
Because i have different way of look and view, that doesn't mean it is not right.
It cannot harm the "victim" with anything.

Chat screenshots don't mention escrow and you're explicitly telling the other user to pay the "bribe" with no mention of this "exposé" plan you're trying to spin here. You're also going to great lengths to make it sound like a good idea ("all casinos do it").

That was already noted and i already said that we didn't go future with this conversation to explain him.
The interesting part was person losing 38btc was not really interested paying 0.1 btc which  will cost him less than lawyer to try find solution.

And yes "all casinos do it". At least all scamming casinos

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

Asking for 0.1BTC to "help" someone lose less money to another scammer, whose true identity no one is even sure of yet, claiming that that amount is 10x less than a lawyer would charge....give me a break, dude.  Call it scammer, call it scumbag, call it whatever you want.  What you did was disgusting.

Don't start playing the victim here.  The feedback I left for you is spot-on.

Who and who i scam show me please?
What did i scam and how did i scam ?
There is not a single person who deal with me and lost 1 cent.
I am also in middle in trade with minerjones using as escrow.
If i were scammer, i would never suggest people to use escrow, and do all my trades with escrow.
That's a lie and false argument.
Or you will show us why i am scammer?

I had neg rated this user some time  back - Someone pmd me and said they had cleaned up their act and were doing constructive things now, so I kindly removed it. I guess I'll have to put a new one on.... Fucking Rambotnic, don't even PM me either, your posts give me an eye-ache.... ::)  

You may not be a scammer, but you are NOT trustworthy and nobody will ever trust your judgement now. Read back what you wrote. Over and over until you understand it is WRONG.

Seems like cryptohunter words after all were all right.
This is propaganda from DT members and censorship :D
Calling me scammer for no reason, consider i never scammed anyone  :D
Tagging me for wanting money for my time doing not illegal service - Trying to help.
Do you guys actually realize how stupid this is :D
Do you actually guys realize what actually you doing here?
Your acts destroying this forum, same as your poor decisions and your over reacts against member who help this community from months.
Calling randomly bad names without single proof based statement....

How you can judge someone judgement if you don't understand it?
How my judgement can be bad if cannot harm the person but only give information to him and the community ?
All my claims are totally right and totally in place.
They cannot harm the person but only can provide information about the scammer and his true intentions.
You guys proving my point that all of you read only what you want to.
The strategy is the scammer to expose his self.
I can say to the guy to accept anything they want in words, that doesn't mean he will do it...

So, I didn't censorship you.

First you didn't address this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573672#msg49573672 (first quote).

Then I asked you to this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573975#msg49573975 which you didn't answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49573982#msg49573982 and then I pointed that you didn't address it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574007#msg49574007 and you again didn't https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105750.msg49574021#msg49574021.

I did answer but as i said everyone reading what they want to.
I already said that for me, 99.99% of scammers doing the same, trying to milk more the victims.
For me to predict that they going to milk him and trying to ask for more money is more than obvious.
My answer were given hour ago.

You didn't.

Everyone is reading conversation and your reactions before and after.

The conversation between me and the "victim" didn't continue so i could not continue with my strategy about the escrow usage.
Also since when tagging is being used against people strategy to caught scammer?
No matter what, my strategy was not able to harm the "victim" at any point.
Red tags should be given to people who either scam or trying to harm someone or the community.
My acts and intentions was and are everything but not to harm anyone but to help.
No matter you want to accept my strategy and the way i try to do the things, that doesn't change the fact that no one can be victim from my way of exposing the scammers.

You do realize we try to keep this place clean for free, right?  You're in no position to criticize anyone for not doing enough to help stop scams and everything else, since you've proven yourself to be an equivocating lump of dung.

Edit (from other thread):
OK, buddy.  And since this is the internet and anything goes (according to you), you should have no problem with your red trust.

Yeah because you doing it for "free" you don't let people to operate legal and make money for doing legal stuff.
I am in position to criticize anyone i wish with facts.
You are pathetic trust abuser and lier, called me scammer and many more things which are obvious blatant lies.
Actually you doing it pretty fine giving courage to people who buy accounts and merits by not letting them operate legally

Another trust abuse from Lauda which was expected :)
Welcome to the team of scammers liars and abusers Lauda, you were always here but you left for a second.
Don't worry, you won't be in DT soon same as most of the retards running around.
Thanks for showing to people that for them its better to buy account and not waste time to run legal in this forum.

I can tell you one thing: I have not wanted to act on the thread but it is your (shady and violent) behavior that pushed me over the limit. You were wrong for doing what you did, you can admit it and apologize to the involved parties or you can just go away. Leaving all those fake retaliatory ratings as well as claiming everyone is an abuser/scammer who left you a negative rating is bound to land you... wait for it... even more negative ratings.

Based on stuff like this I can publicly state that you've fooled me the last time and I was wrong to give a few users (which includes you) a second chance. Getting one of my ratings removed now will be even harder than before and existing ratings will be re-applied where users try to play games around them (e.g. do small deals to get positive from generous givers). I will also be tagging people that hire scammers/frauders/neg. rated members (excluding ratings that were thrown due to personal disputes) in any way or form.

I were wrong for asking money for my time to help random guy? Why is that, is your time free to help everyone around?
People calling you "cat", but are you actually "bat"?  Batman is that you?
I don't need your negative rating removed from my account, by that way you prove my words are true.
You also courage people in thru buying accounts... Its more easy than operate legal.

Seems OP is encouraging strongly for pay bribe to cloudbet. Your statement is clear, without pay bribe account can't be unlock. How you know about it and how you give him guaranty that cloudbet will unlock after pay bribe ? Are you affiliated with them? Why you are asking to pay you 0.1BTC ? If victim need to pay them then why he should pay you again. And you never mentioned what happen if they will not unblock account. You got tag because it was another scam attempt by someone else and you are encouraging to pay bribe. How you know that casino made drama like that before?
How you know they want bribe before victim? It's clear on your chat history.

How are you over confident that they will ask for bribe ?
More some point that you deserve tag,
You PM first to victim, you know before victim that cloudbet asked for bribe, you are encouraging to pay bribe,  you are pushing that there is no way expect bribe to get back account, you are asking your own bribe.
All the things pushing me to think that you are affiliated with them or total dram is going on by you in order to get 3 BTC.

Which part of "this is old strategy to catch fraudsters and scammers" you didn't get?
Seems like none of you are familiar with the police tactics to catch fraudsters.

I am more than familiar with playing the cop; just don't do it. I got burned, and now you got burned.

At least is there one member on this forum realizing what i were trying to do ?
I hope you understand the strategy of accepting the scammers game and let them expose them self.

Asking for compensation for helping: ok.
Asking for compensation for providing a useful tip: ok.
Asking for compensation for providing an illogical idea: not ok.

Since when the oldest tactics of the police to catch fraudsters is illogical?
Wake up guys, this has been used since forever...

Seeing that no one agrees with your "tactics" perhaps it's you who needs to wake up.

You shouldn't have lied to ginalli about having to pay if your real goal was to expose scammers.

1) No one here is the police.
2) You were not speaking to the police.
3) If the intention was to catch a fraudster, the work was already completed after the fraudster asked for a bribe.
4) Giving the fraudster more money in exchange for them returning money makes no sense.

my real goal was to earn 0.1 for my time which is not something bad

actmyname
1) actually i am
2) i were speaking with someone who needs help from person who know what to do
3) Intention was to earn money without harm the "victim" and help him out
4) Accepting his rules doesn't mean something will be given to them

Also this thread is about the lies from DT members and the abuse.
The abuse from owlcatz, lauda, the lies from The Pharmacist saying i am scammer.
If you guys do not understand something that doesn't mean it is wrong.
The facts cannot be changed, and they are my methods were not able to harm the "victim" with nothing, which is the most important part.

Lying is quite bad actually. Particularly when you're lying in order to extract money from somebody. I think it could be considered a deceptive scheme. If only there was a word for it.

Show me, and prove where exactly i lie ?
Extract money from somebody ? Dude, can you even read i would earn those money only if i do something for them?
What scheme ? "If only there was a word of it" ? Really ? What else is "there" over the virtual space?

All of you crying and over react because i wanted money for my time AFTER job is done, and none of you taking the time to help the guy for free.
Why the fuck everyone here is playing nice and good consider none of you are ?
Most of you guys the DT members destroy this forum.
Just take a look how dead the marketplace is, and how active it was months ago.
Lets also take a look all the spam going around in the marketplace and no one even care about.
All you care about is money, and if someone see chance to earn money without doing something illegal but you got nothing from that, you attack the guy.
Soon this forum will be circle of dead souls arguing between...

I've been on 10+ big forums, and im still there trading everyday but this DT "powers" and feedback system is the worst in the world.
Seems like Theymos doesn't even care what is going on about the forum at all.

We've been through this many times. You lied that "all casinos do this". You lied that ginalli must pay the "bribe" to unlock the account. You never mentioned your plan so you either lied to ginalli or you're lying now and you made the plan up after the fact.

BTW the word for "deceptive scheme" is "scam".


You're not helping either, you're just making it worse by giving bullshit advice and that's the most generous interpretation of what happened.

ALL CASINOS DOING THAT !!!! ALL SCAMMING CASINOS DOING THAT, ALL SCAMMING PLATFORMS DOING THAT.
I didn't lied he must pay it, saying he will pay it is his only way to obtain information.
I never mention my plan because he were not interested paying 0.1 after job to turn back his 38btc which is obviously a red flag.
I don't need to made up anything, i just don't need to share my plan with anyone here but only the person who needed help.
You are  poor soul with less iq than monkey to realize what is going on around you mate.

Scammer: I won't let you withdraw your 38 BTC.
Player: I will open a scam accusation!
Scammer: Give me 5 BTC and I will give you 38 BTC.
Player: No! How about 1 BTC?
Scammer: OK. Here is your 38 BTC.

What part of this situation makes any sense?

Not true.


Not true.


Not true.


Not true. You did say multiple times that he must pay in order to unlock the account. There was no mention of obtaining information.


No sane person would be interested in paying 0.1 BTC for the advice of sending money to scammers.


That's the point - you didn't disclose your "plan" to the person you allegedly tried to help, which makes me think there was no such "plan" at the time.

No need to be offensive to monkeys, "mate".


The part where Rambotnic hopes to get 5 2 1 BTC makes the most sense.

1- TRUE, all casinos with scamming reports worth more than 300btc+ doing that (this case is 38btc, there is other case for 300btc for the same casino.
So yeah, all the scamming casinos doing that.

2- TRUE

3- TRUE

4- I did say it multiply time and i would explain the strategy to him, if he were interested to pay 0.1 btc for chance to get 38btc.
Paying after successful job.
Everyone here is so blind how he was not even interested paying 0.1 for 38btc which makes me think his scam report is fake

5- No sense of person not agreeing paying them in words so he could collect more information about the case.

6- I didn't disclose the part because obviously the scam report is fake, why would then someone refuse paying less money than hiring a lawyer to someone who wants money after the job is finished?

7-  My hopes were to help the guy turn back his 38btc and earn 0.1
If he wanted to give me 1btc i would never say no.

The most sense here is you reading only what you want to, repeating already answered questions, and what you don't like, you ignore it and continue repeating.

You added "scamming" after the fact. Now you're adding "300btc+". I bet you can narrow it down to a specific scenario that justifies you in your own eyes, but what you said to that user on telegram was just that "all casinos do it" (i.e. demand "bribes") and that is simply false. Unless you would like to prove it, in which case - go ahead.


Same as above. Not all scamming casinos or "platforms" do it, if any at all. I've seen a few scammy exchanges demand extra deposits. Perhaps that's where you got the idea for your shakedown scheme.


You were unable to explain how you would get the 38 BTC back so of course there was no reason to pay 0.1 BTC. Even with your post-factum explanation it still doesn't make sense. If your actual undisclosed-at-the-time "plan" was to talk to the scammers and not really pay the "bribe" then you had no plan to get the 38 BTC back. Refusing to pay 0.1 BTC indicates that the person you were talking to was likely smarter than you and/or thought you're a scammer, but it doesn't say anything about the 38 BTC claim itself.

not interested? The chat log would indicate differently... in fact, he was willing to pay MORE
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zgsyv.png


immediately following this... instead of revealing your "master plan" of exposing the scammer, you basically just tell him to pay up... MULTIPLE times ???
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zg3bH.png



You had MULTIPLE opportunities to mention your "master plan"... and yet you failed to do so once... even after he says he'll pay you 3 BTC if you help!!?! All you do is repeat "if you don't give them money, they won't unlock your account"


yeah... "obviously" fake because he doesn't want to follow your incredibly bad advice and pay scammers... ::) ::)


After telling you AGAIN that he would pay:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zgvHg.png


He says the smartest thing in that entire chatlog:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zgYsI.png


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zgf9d.png
Maybe the answer is to just say nothing... #JustSayin'

Why you keep repeating thing that i already answer ?

Because it doesn't make sense sending more money to someone who has already stolen from you. What's so hard to understand about this?

If you send money to a scammer that requests it, they will just keep it.

Translation: he's caught, he knows it, and he's painted himself as far into a corner as is humanly possible, and is all out of imaginary fairy tale reasons why he wrote all that crap.  Rambotnic was playing it straight right up until he wrote:

...after which he started treating all of this as just dribbling idiot humor.  I think he called himself a cop and wanted to perform some lawyering as a side gig at one point. 

Still wondering if anyone is actually going to support him in his quest for the victimhood olympics trophy.  Obviously DT has terribly abused him.  Rambotnic even said it himself, so it must be true.

I didn't see you answer this at all...

You claimed you didn't tell him your full plan because he wasn't interested in paying you 0.1 BTC for your assistance...
When it is quite obvious from the chatlogs that he said three times that he would be happy to pay you (and pay as much as 3 BTC)... once he had his 38 BTC back.


So, given that we have now asserted that he was in fact willing to pay for your assistance, could you please explain why you didn't tell him the "secret plan" (ie. that he should try and use this opportunity to extract information from the scammer to expose him) and instead you just recommended that he pay the bribe to unlock his account?

And then, after he just flat out refused to send more money to the scammers... you said "I don't know what to say". Why, at this point, did you not tell him your cunning plan that he should pretend to go along with paying the money and/or use escrow and try to extract info about the scammers? ???

The Pharmacist:

You really are a scammer.  I can't even fathom somebody honest writing something like that.

Could you please show us who and how did i scam?

TMAN, owlcatz, Lauda clearly abuse their powers by posting negative feedback in my profile for no reason, not to mention if they see someone who do not support their words and what they do, clearly "I don't trust this person" is enough to ruin someone reputation :)
And we all know they do that as team

Cloudbet denied telegram chat. It is somewhere in thread.

That makes you and scammer only persons talking with player about "bribe".

Maybe your friend cryptohunter can say a word or two about this case, the same way she strongly defended you before?

There was a good reason for your negs, but you just don't understand where you fucked up and never will.  I don't trust you based on the 0.1BTC you tried to get out of someone who looked like he was getting scammed, vaguely claiming you could help and not saying how, and making a bunch of other shit up after the fact.  That's why you have red trust, and it's entirely valid.

Learn to quote posts properly, BTW.  I did not write this:

You did.

Had a laugh at Rambotnic and the title, complaining about trust abuse, then he gave a neg feedback today for no reason and then said he will give me more red which I presume he thinks he will be a DT one day, I have never dealt with him.  ::)

Here is the message Rambotnic sent me.

I looked at your trust feedback, and it appears that there were variations of "I don't trust this person," but almost all negative feedbacks had a reference link.  Sure as a courtesy, it would be a bit better to have more specifics, beyond:  "I don't trust this person." and the referenced link.... but preferring more detail does not invalidate the trust feedback, even if the credibility of the feedback could be higher with more of an explanation contained therein.

You have already got all your answer i think. Reason behind giving you negative trust is fair enough. Stop putting false blame on DTs.

In my view the most sense here they read only which are important for forum user, not the repetitive poem written by same poet.

Stfu retard, you don't even know what the word "fair"is you pathetic retard.
I can't wait to see your account get the red colors so you go cry everywhere.
Who give a fuck what you think? Who the fuck are you?

How will his account get red colors ?

Sensible.

hey man be social, its the place where you should keep control on your words. Every single person who discussing on this thread isn't your enemy. you opened the thread and they are participating here to describe you exact reason for your tagging. why anyone can't use "fair" , obviously the reason behind your account tagging is fair enough. it doesn't matter whats your opinion about it but it matters you break the forum rules.